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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on March 08, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
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DUmmy Raven, mother of the alcoholic plagiarist Will Pitt, makes up a tale about the New Hampshire town that employs her, demonstrating where her son's dishonesty originated:
Raven (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:01 PM
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I just turned 65 and I have never been more discouraged, worried,
embarrassed, in fear. I was born at the end of WWII, grew up in the fabulous 50's and came of age in the 60's. I endured the deaths of ML King, JFK, Robert Kennedy in a short space of years. I married at 23 and my husband of 4 months shipped off to Vietnam. I waited in lines during the gas crisis of the 70's and watched corporate greed take over in the 80's and 90's. My father was a Director of At&T from the 50's until he retired from that Board in the "80's. As I recall, he made $100 a month to cover the cost of attending monthly meeting in NYC. I remember him telling me that he had a fiduciary obligation to the shareholders who were working people, widows....that is the way people looked at the world and their obligations in those days.
Now, I am semi retired living in New Hampshire. The town I work for has an election tomorrow. The question is basically whether to gut town services. The people in favor of that are tea partiers and free staters but there are a lot of them and they may win. When I talk to these people and ask why they tell me the following (and I do not exaggerate):
- abortion
- taking the 10 Commandments out of the Schools
- government is bad
When I ask them about reductions in emergency services (fire police, emts) they tell me that it is God's will...some houses will burn, people will die...it is God's will.
When I press the question, they finally admit that they don't have enough of "theirs" so no one else should either.
This is my story as of tonight and I think my town is a microcosim of what is going on in this country. These people who say this and vote this have no heart, do not believe in the human community and are in this solely to get "theirs." They and their corporate role models are destroying us from the bottom up...eating the fabric of this country alive, from town to town...and, ultimately, I believe they are dangerous, precisely because their heart is gone.
The frightening thing is that I have no idea how to stop this and I fear it cannot be stopped.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x581372
You'd think DUmmy Raven would be more worried by the catastrophic mess her alcoholic, jobless son has made of his life.
Poboy (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:03 PM
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1. This is why many of us say there will need to be a complete crash for people to wake up.
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:03 PM
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2. I hear you, my dear Raven...
It IS scary.
I hope that your little town will come to its senses, and pulls back.
At least the CalPig doesn't threaten another naked protest. Thanks, CalPig!
StarburstClock (124 posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:04 PM
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5. You nailed the reasons, they are that simple and hateful.
There is a massive number of the U.S. population that are indeed that stupid and further they believe that their stupidity is as valid as your intelligence. It's the saddest time in the U.S. I've ever seen too.
Whoa, DUmmy StarburstClock! When did we agree that DUmmy Raven possesses intelligence? Remember, the DUmp is the place that "validated" poor, stupid Beth as "a writer and a thinker".
eridani (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 04:22 AM
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63. I don't think it's stupidity at all. It's flat out amoral sociopathology
Why do you think that red states have higher levels of all the indicators of sociopathology (abortion, divorce, teen parenthood, crime, etc.)?
Sociopathology! Is this nadinbrzhzhzhzhski's word of the day?
A semi-bouncy:
niyad (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:09 PM
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7. when I hear that kind of crap about "god's will", my remark is, "your god is one sick, sadistic,
perverted psychopath, and so are you to think that sort of thing is okay"
and, considering I live in fundieville, that kind of attitude makes for all sorts of fun.
RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:13 PM
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14. you make a comment.
When I press the question, they finally admit that they don't have enough of "theirs" so no one else should either.
That is not how it works, it is that it is not 'theirs' and them having it creates many problems in society. Billionaires???? Are you ****ing kidding? That is a joke on society for that condition to exist. It is ridiculous for that consolidation to exist.
Let me give you a hint.
I am due beer and travel money and many experiences.
Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:18 PM
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19. This is one of several reasons dh's grandmother left Littleton, NH.
Those bastards would cut off their own appendages if they thought it was supported by "big government."
Demeter (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:19 PM
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21. That's What You Get for Living in NH
I got out in 1996, and I've been much less depressed ever since.
"Live Free or Die" is the NH motto. Well, a lot of people are dying. And their neighbors like it that way.
Fifteen years later, New Hampshire still mourns the loss of DUmmy Demeter.
aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:22 PM
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24. that's a whole lot of religious zeal for NH folk -- I don't remember it that way
Maybe things have changed.
jpak (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:27 PM
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27. Free Staters are bizarre RW deadbeat anarchists that want to make their own law and impose it on others - with guns
Don't be surprised if they openly carry firearms at meetings.
they suck
yup
What are the odds DUmmy jpak lives in Massachusetts?
Raven (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:40 PM
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32. Not due to federal and state cuts and the gut will not do much to
property taxes but it may lower property values because we won't be able to repair roads as well or respond to emergencies as well. This is pretty much a hate government thing I think. I'd rather not identify the town but it's happening all over NH.
DUmmy Raven doesn't want to identify the town, because she sucks from its public tit.
GKirk (255 posts) Tue Mar-08-11 08:32 AM
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82. Without the name of your town
I'm finding your claim hard to believe.
What is the point of dropping or cutting services without a corresponding cut in property taxes?
Melinda (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 10:24 AM
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94. Tea Partiers are all about gutting the govt; hands off! govt is evil, and so on and so on...
For the life of me, how can you find what Raven says anywhere close to "hard to believe"? Are you that ignorant of the Teaparty's platform?
DUmmy proud patriot is not the sentimental type:
proud patriot (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:57 PM
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38. I am 42
We've never been able to get ahead , still asking for handouts from family when the bills pile up.
to lead or our grandparents for that matter.
Any inheritance I were to receive is going to keep my Grandfather comfortable in his nursing home.
A veteran of WWII and all of his life's work Gone to hospitals. Nothing left to ease our burdon as we age.
We work so hard, and are lucky if we can afford 1 camping trip in the summer.
pacalo (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 08:31 PM
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46. That's the way my fundie cousin talks -- it's "God's will". She actually told me that
the Rapture is coming soon (this was around 2003) & that she couldn't wait for it to come. I got the impression that she saw all of Bush's deliberate destruction as necessary steps to induce the end of the world. Wierd-o-rama.
DUmmy eridani gives a lesson in democrat economics:
eridani (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 05:18 AM
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65. Confiscating wealth is the only way to recovery. Some might consider it "punishing" the winner to take his money away and divide it up among the other players. Others might consider it the only way that you can keep on playing.
Yes, you can tax your way to prosperity.
RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 12:24 PM
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115. Yeah, a strong uneasy feeling in the air, we're at a turning point.
I think DUmmy RKPnumbers has been listening to the know-it-all DUmmy. By the way, where is she? Reading another script?
Raven (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 06:30 AM
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70. I signed up for Medicare and Social Security a few weeks ago and
wrote about the experience here. It was a shining example of government at it's(sic) best.
DUmmy Raven is a lawyer who doesn't know how to use "its" vs. "it's"?
Vinca (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 08:00 AM
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78. On the plus side, Raven, we're close to Vermont and can seek refuge if necessary.
I love my little spot on the top of a New Hampshire hill, but if it's ever overrun by teabaggers, I'm out of here.
I don't think that'll work, Dummy Vinca. Democrat DUmbasses have flooded into Vermont, too.
lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 08:58 AM
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88. I hear you Raven.. so true... My neighbor watches Faux News....
.. and quotes The Drudge Report word for word... (sigh).... I don't even try to reach him anymore .. he is rabid...
I think the worst part is the feeling of utter helplessness as the entire conversation and the media are controlled by the right.
DUmmy Marayanumbers closes with an anti-Christian bouncy:
Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 12:48 PM
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118. I think a good way to respond to these people is to question their Christianity
I've done some of this. Remind them that Jesus said to lover you neighbor, take care of the sick, take care of the children, feed the hungry, heal the sick, forgive your neighbor 70 X 70 and that thing about how it is easier for a rich person to get through the eye of a needle than get to Heaven.
And then something like, "I know real Christians and you are no Christian."
Also mention that the heads of the fundamentalist Christian church are very powerful and wealthy people who feed the ones underneath them these lies so they can stay powerful.
Tell them to follow the "Good" Christians as there are plenty of them.
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65 huh?...does the Obamacare death panel have her name yet?
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Uh, isn't this actually about the best damned description of Dem politicians ever given?
Also mention that the heads.....are very powerful and wealthy people who feed the ones underneath them these lies so they can stay powerful.
Damn. That fits Bela Pelosi, Shelley 0, the dead Kennedys, Babs Boxer, Scary Harry, the Bostonian Billionaire, Alphonse Capote Gore, &c., &c., &c., to a tee.
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65 huh?...does the Obamacare death panel have her name yet?
flag@whitehouse.gov
I'm sure we can bring it to their attention... :popcorn:
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When I ask them about reductions in emergency services (fire police, emts) they tell me that it is God's will...some houses will burn, people will die...it is God's will.
Lying ****.
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Now, I am semi retired living in New Hampshire.
She misspelled the word "retarded".
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Lying ****.
Yeah, I think so too.
I think she made that up as a stereotypical "right-wing" response.
Primitives do that all the time.
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When I ask them about reductions in emergency services (fire police, emts) they tell me that it is God's will...some houses will burn, people will die...it is God's will.
:bs:
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Yeah, I think so too.
I think she made that up as a stereotypical "right-wing" response.
Primitives do that all the time.
Would that my post find it's way to her bastard, alcoholic vaginal dropping named William.
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Another DUmmy that is pissed that the well has run dry for the producers to pay in taxes and it doesn't want to relinquish all those "public goods" from its grasp.
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Another DUmmy that is pissed that the well has run dry for the producers to pay in taxes and it doesn't want to relinquish all those "public goods" from its grasp.
The maternal ancestress of the Bostonian Drunkard is the town's attorney.
The town's a small one.
What does the town need an attorney for?
Small towns in Nebraska don't have attorneys on the payroll; they have some guy on call in case a legal issue arises, nothing more than that.
I think the town could cut its budget by cutting its attorney.
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65 huh?...does the Obamacare death panel have her name yet?
No not yet. BUT the Soylent Green processing plant has her on their list. :-) O-)
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StarburstClock (124 posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:04 PM
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5. You nailed the reasons, they are that simple and hateful.
There is a massive number of the U.S. population that are indeed that stupid and further they believe that their stupidity is as valid vapid as your intelligence. It's the saddest time in the U.S. I've ever seen too.
FIXED. :fuelfire:
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The maternal ancestress of the Bostonian Drunkard is the town's attorney.
The town's a small one.
What does the town need an attorney for?
Small towns in Nebraska don't have attorneys on the payroll; they have some guy on call in case a legal issue arises, nothing more than that.
I think the town could cut its budget by cutting its attorney.
A fair number of towns in NYS have Town Attornies.
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A fair number of towns in NYS have Town Attornies.
And look at the fiscal train wreck that New York is in... :whistling:
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A fair number of towns in NYS have Town Attorneys.
But if it's a small town, they're probably not full-time or even half-time attorneys; they're probably "on call" as needed, or one attorney shared by several small towns.
The maternal ancestress is doing nothing here more than the usual scare tactics; when a budget crunch comes, the politicians whine about the loss of fire, safety, medical, and law-enforcement personnel, when in fact they can retain those by cutting out the fat where the fat's at--behind desks.
But so as to instill panic and fear among the taxpayers, they say it's this other stuff that has to be cut.
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And look at the fiscal train wreck that New York is in... :whistling:
No argument here.
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No argument here.
I'm firmly of the belief that we could cut through about 90% of the litigiousness of modern society by simply re-instituting the Code Duello.
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For my two cents ( which according to some cost more to mint than its face value) Miss Prissy Pants can turn her elderly shriveled rump around and re-inhabit the People's Paradise Of Taxachusetts. They are hemorrhaging geysers like her and could use the tax dollars before they have to start taxing State Pensions. Poe had it right, Quote the Raven Never More, she spews forth a bunch of BS. :bs:
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Uh, isn't this actually about the best damned description of Dem politicians ever given?
Damn. That fits Bela Pelosi, Shelley 0, the dead Kennedys, Babs Boxer, Scary Harry, the Bostonian Billionaire, Alphonse Capote Gore, &c., &c., &c., to a tee.
My thoughts precisely, especially where minorities are concerned.
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My fave in this thread is DUmmy proud patriot, bitching about her grandfather living in a nursing home, reducing her inheritance. He'd better hope she doesn't get a vote on the death panel.
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I attended a meeting of our little NYS village's council. They had some document before them, and debated vigorously whether or not to pay for an attorney to look it over, or just rely on their own good judgement. We have no lawyer on staff. They elected to DIY.
That is bullshit what she claims people said about it God's Will to let people burn and die. It's the DUmmies over there who are in rapture every day over the prospect of business managers and/or Republicans burning alive.
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For my two cents ( which according to some cost more to mint than its face value) Miss Prissy Pants can turn her elderly shriveled rump around and re-inhabit the People's Paradise Of Taxachusetts. They are hemorrhaging geysers like her and could use the tax dollars before they have to start taxing State Pensions.
It's obvious that's exactly what the maternal ancestress did some years ago--after several decades of voting constantly for corrupt machine tax-raising politicians in Massachusetts, she moved to where taxes are lower.....and took her voting habits with her.
After New Hampshire gets sky-high taxes because of the way she and others like her vote in that state, they'll probably move on to somewhere else where the taxes are lower, and repeat the same thing all over again.
I think people should have to lie in the beds they themselves make.
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The maternal ancestress of the Bostonian Drunkard is the town's attorney.
The town's a small one.
What does the town need an attorney for?
Small towns in Nebraska don't have attorneys on the payroll; they have some guy on call in case a legal issue arises, nothing more than that.
I think the town could cut its budget by cutting its attorney.
Coach,
IIRC, in a previous thread of hers, she was complaining about a certain local pol or other official, and from that I guessed that she lives in Rindge. Now mind you, Rindge is a little town, barely 6000 people, but there's a college there which contributes to the extremely high unemployment rate, leaving the remaining citizens to pick up the slack.
Also, in NH, towns with large public properties such as government buildings, universities, etc., with no industrial facilities to balance it means the remaining town residents are left to pick up the tab, and you'll find that those towns have MUCH higher tax rates--the "haves" being forced to pay for the "have nots", or the "will nots" in this case. Rindge may not have the town services of a "large metropolis" like mine, population 32,000, but for some strange reason their education tax is MUCH higher, making it a virtual wash, with taxes running around $24 per $1000 assessed value. This means an average home assessed at $200K would be on the hook for taxes of upwards of $4800 per year.
Seeing that they have such a small amount to work with, one would think that the town lawyer would be a part of which they'd be intimately familiar with what goes on in the town with the Selectmen and Budget Advisory Committee.
http://www.town.rindge.nh.us/Selectmen/Voters%20Guide1.pdf
Well, whaddya know--a voting guide for the election tomorrow. And lo and behold--the fire truck is on the ballot! With ALL of the Selectmen and Budget Advisory Committee members in favor of buying a new one!
I see where he gets his bullshit from, frankly.
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My fave in this thread is DUmmy proud patriot, bitching about her grandfather living in a nursing home, reducing her inheritance. He'd better hope she doesn't get a vote on the death panel.
How embarrassing!
proud patriot Lead Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-07-11 07:57 PM
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38. I am 42
We've never been able to get ahead , still asking for handouts from family when the bills pile up.
I feel like My husband Son and I will never know what it's like to live a life like our Parents were
able to lead or our grandparents for that matter.
any inheritance I were to receive is going to keep my Grandfather comfortable in his nursing home.
A veteran of WWII and all of his life's work Gone to hospitals. Nothing left to ease our burdon as we age.
We work so hard, and are lucky if we can afford 1 camping trip in the summer.
Meanwhile the biggest Criminals have a Life of ease.
What's a poor person to do, but just survive in a life of Worry.
And the smackdown!
Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-08-11 12:45 PM
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117. Regarding inheritance: If it's Grandpa's money keeping him in the nursing
home, it's Grandpa's money. There is a route that could have been taken, but this is hindsight.
"...any inheritance I were to receive is going to keep my Grandfather comfortable in his nursing home..."
If it is his children's money (your parents), that route still exists.
This is done for many elderly who have assets to preserve, and who are becoming infirm. Transfer everything to another person. Preferably an honest relative (money does strange things to some people.)
There is a 'look back' feature that checks for assets for a period of time in the past. I cannot recall if it is 3 or 5 years. If there are no assets in that period of time, medicare and medicaid cover the nursing home expense. All the facilities I am familiar with have a number of people they accept in this category. One of the differences in care is that some who are medicare/medicaid residents live two to a room, but there is amply space for each to have a comfortable chair and a separate teevee if they desire.
We have already transferred everything to the oldest daughter. And regarding inheritance - my children are not expecting anything other than what they can get via an estate sale.
edited to add: OR, take Grandpa home to your house.
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It's the DUmmies over there who are in rapture every day over the prospect of business managers and/or Republicans burning alive.
I just hope that when the Rapture does come, a DUmmy doesn't get all my stuff.
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What's up with the random capitalization?
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I just hope that when the Rapture does come, a DUmmy doesn't get all my stuff.
I've got scuttling charges built into anything I don't want a DUmmy to have. Looters and Moochers will not "profit" off of my hard earned.