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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Ptarmigan on March 02, 2011, 02:39:55 PM
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Westboro Funeral Pickets Are Protected Speech, High Court Rules
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/02/westboro-funeral-pickets-protected-speech-high-court-rules/?test=latestnews
Free speech has become abused lately. Freedom is not freedom when it tramples on other people's freedom. Scum like them should be eradicated.
edited to meet breaking news rules!
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Yes, more so than bunnies!
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Yes, more so than bunnies!
I hate WBC more than I hate bunnies. At least bunnies have some use.
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While I hate their message and the way the deliver it with a passion, I would fight to the death to protect their right to have that freedom.
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Not sure what I think about this. I mean, of course I think they're a bunch of horrible people doing this, of course I think they SHOULDN'T be doing it, but should it be ILLEGAL for them to do it? I think that would be a slippery slope that I'm not sure I want to start down. Maybe that's just me.
However, I will also say that if the current "hate crime" laws don't address this, then they shouldn't apply to ANY case. I understand that currently if a preacher reads Lev. 18:22 to their congregation (for instance) they could get brought up on hate crime charges. If that IS true (man, I don't know, I'm just a guy sitting here) then surely these people should have been given the chair by the same measure.
However however, I don't think think either should be illegal. Frown upon it, shun the people, boycott their businesses, don't send them Christmas cards, whatever you want to do, but I don't think it should be prosecuted as a crime.
One more note, I believe in a just God who is looking down on these people, and at judgment day I rest assured that He will deal with them as He sees fit in His righteousness. Vengeance is the Lord's.
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Let's not forget that, despite SCOTUS' ruling, these scum do what they do not for political or religious reasons, but simply to push buttons.
The more buttons they push, the more likely that somebody is going to blow a gasket and "fix" the Westboros. When THAT happens, that somebody will have so many lawsuits slapped on him he won't know which way is up.
For the Westboros, it's all about lawsuits and damages that they win in their court cases.
They don't give a damn about religion, they don't give a damn about political statements, and they don't give a damn about the grieving.
It's all about the money.
****ing scum. :argh:
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One more note, I believe in a just God who is looking down on these people, and at judgment day I rest assured that He will deal with them as He sees fit in His righteousness. Vengeance is the Lord's.
There will be lightning bolts. Woe be to those who use the Lord's name in vain.
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Let's not forget that, despite SCOTUS' ruling, these scum do what they do not for political or religious reasons, but simply to push buttons.
The more buttons they push, the more likely that somebody is going to blow a gasket and "fix" the Westboros. When THAT happens, that somebody will have so many lawsuits slapped on him he won't know which way is up.
For the Westboros, it's all about lawsuits and damages that they win in their court cases.
They don't give a damn about religion, they don't give a damn about political statements, and they don't give a damn about the grieving.
It's all about the money.
****ing scum. :argh:
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I'm sure I would be the one to blow a gasket and they could sue me to no end. I can't believe no one has put them out of their misery yet!
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As much as I loathe and disdain the Westboro inbreeds, I have to side with SCOTUS on this. Should they have decided otherwise, it would be an infringement on the First Amendment. No matter how hateful or despicable the speech, we are still allowed to say what we want. Had the SCOTUS infringed the 1st Amendment just for Westboro, I could see other things being infringed, like our forum.
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Exactly, Thor. That blade is sharpened on both sides.
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****ing scum. :argh:
Yep....and they're reproducing.
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This is a very painful example of the double edge sword indeed.
Theres a great documentary on these crazy ****s that you can find on Google Video if you do a little digging.
If I ever see in the paper that this entire church group was slaughtered I would be both delighted, but also I'd be a little bit unhappy. We all agree that these are scum of the earth, terrible people that are sending an awful message and just sucking in all the hate they receive and they love it. Because negative press is still press. But these people give us all someone to hate. It's kind of a unifying factor you know what I mean?
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This is a very painful example of the double edge sword indeed.
Theres a great documentary on these crazy ****s that you can find on Google Video if you do a little digging.
If I ever see in the paper that this entire church group was slaughtered I would be both delighted, but also I'd be a little bit unhappy. We all agree that these are scum of the earth, terrible people that are sending an awful message and just sucking in all the hate they receive and they love it. Because negative press is still press. But these people give us all someone to hate. It's kind of a unifying factor you know what I mean?
Are you talking about the "The Most Hated Family In America"? I have seen it. Very disturbing as I put it mildly. It is also on You Tube. There are lot of people who want harm and kill Phelps. If Fred Phelps and WBC are gone, we would find someone else to hate and there are plenty of them out there, like Osama bin Laden, South Hadley 6, Casey Anthony, etc.
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They're scum, but if the SC took away their right to free speech what would make them just stop there? Thank God for the Patriot Guard to handle scum like this.
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If you thinking picketing funerals was the worst. Fred Phelps abuses and beats his children and wife. He also made them sell candy even on school days. He also turned on his own family because his father re-married a divorcee after his mother died. Also, he is estranged from his sister.
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If you thinking picketing funerals was the worst. Fred Phelps abuses and beats his children and wife. He also made them sell candy even on school days. He also turned on his own family because his father re-married a divorcee after his mother died. Also, he is estranged from his sister.
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With all due respect, Ptarmigan, I personally STILL think heaping emotional abuse onto the overwhelming grief that families are experiencing at the burial of their loved ones is worse than abusing his own family members. Cycle of abuse or not, I've seen some of them interviewed on tv and they're as hateful as Freddie Kruger is. I know there are many victims of abuse in this world and they don't deserve it, BUT I'm making an exception for the Phelps clan, minus the minors. I must admit I haven't delved much into their family dynamics, because I like to maintain the ability to eat, but they're so beyond the pale I have zero sympathy. Except for the innocent bereaved families, of course.
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With all due respect, Ptarmigan, I personally STILL think heaping emotional abuse onto the overwhelming grief that families are experiencing at the burial of their loved ones is worse than abusing his own family members. Cycle of abuse or not, I've seen some of them interviewed on tv and they're as hateful as Freddie Kruger is. I know there are many victims of abuse in this world and they don't deserve it, BUT I'm making an exception for the Phelps clan, minus the minors. I must admit I haven't delved much into their family dynamics, because I like to maintain the ability to eat, but they're so beyond the pale I have zero sympathy. Except for the innocent bereaved families, of course.
No argument from me. He is just doing what he always does, abusing people that fuels is paranoid rage. Going after a grieving family is cowardly and worthy of Hell alongside with Osama bin Laden, 9/11 Terrorists, and Stalin. In the end, Phelps is no different from Osama bin Laden or Charles Manson.
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No argument from me. He is just doing what he always does, abusing people that fuels is paranoid rage and psychopathy. Going after a grieving family is cowardly and worthy of Hell alongside with Osama bin Laden, 9/11 Terrorists, and Stalin. In the end, Phelps is no different from Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Hopefully no one gets offended at me comparing Phelps to Bin Laden because Bin Laden did 9/11 and killed thousands.
Don't see why anyone would be offended. Neither bin Laden nor Phelps is what we'd consider a real human being. No doubt Phelps is as mentally and morally deficient as Osama bin Laden. :argh:
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I certainly have my opinions of the Westboro Hate Freaks but I don't have any personal experience with them. Here's a Gentleman, a Gold Star Dad who demonstrates an enormous amount of dignity and class despite the fact the Westboro mob polluted his son's funeral and the SCOTUS handed down its ruling on what would have been his son's 25th birthday. God bless this man, my hat is off to him. I don't know if I could find the wherewithall to measure up to his example were I to find myself in his shoes.
http://www.herald-mail.com/news/kwch-news-msg-westboro-court-decision,0,2312669.story
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While I hate their message and the way the deliver it with a passion, I would fight to the death to protect their right to have that freedom.
Yep! We can't pick and choose what we believe to be Free Speech. If we did that, we'd be DemoncRats! And I don't know about you, but I'd rather cut my nutz off with a butter knife! That had been layin' in a pile of pig shit for half a century! Found any butter knives in that mound there in Nebraska Coach? We might need a few before this thread ends.
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Yep....and they're reproducing.
Problem is, it's pretty much a cult. Too bad they can't find a comet to hitch a ride on!
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Somewhere in heaven a Marine is looking down and saying to his father, "Rest easy. You've done all you can, the rest is in the Lord's hands, and he will have the final say."
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Don't see why anyone would be offended. Neither bin Laden nor Phelps is what we'd consider a real human being. No doubt Phelps is as mentally and morally deficient as Osama bin Laden. :argh:
What makes Osama bin Laden different from Fred Phelps is he killed thousands on 9/11. Other than that, both Phelps and Bin Laden are cancers on humanity worthy of eradication.
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Am I the only one here who thinks something really bad will happen to Phelps? I think this ruling will put them at more risk for it.
I think civics classes should be mandatory, which they don't teach these days. People abuse their freedom and freedom is not meant to be abused, like WBC, etc.
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I hate to say it, because I loathe those effers. But the SC had it right.
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I hate to say it, because I loathe those effers. But the SC had it right.
Indeed. The right to free speech protects not speech we agree with, but that which we don't - These cretins are awful to the point of being inhuman - but we should not stop them from expressing their inhumanity.
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Are we all noticing the trend here? That we on the right find the ruling a bitter pill to swallow, sour apples indeed but we recognize the merit in the ruling nonetheless. Civility is holding sway here, as it should.
If the shoe were on the other foot here, some ruling the left abhorred, we all know the DUmp would go off like Mt St Helens. No holds barred, nothing sacred.
Sure, it sucks to be us right now but not really, if you separate the angst we feel for the message of the Hate Freaks from their right to say it then all is good.
They have to abide by this ruling too and where the leftists push for a "Fairness Doctrine" is concerned is where their party music stops (enter phonograph needle screech here). So it ain't so bad after all, is it? :whistling:
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Mark levin had an interesting take on his today. He thinks SCOTUS IS not so right on this. It is what it is, they win BUT they also are not protected from the ramifacations of their speech and right or wrong someday as others have pointed out they will cross the line.
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Mark levin had an interesting take on his today. He thinks SCOTUS IS not so right on this. It is what it is, they win BUT they also are not protected from the ramifacations of their speech and right or wrong someday as others have pointed out they will cross the line.
Free speech like everything else is a two-way street.
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Mark levin had an interesting take on his today. He thinks SCOTUS IS not so right on this. It is what it is, they win BUT they also are not protected from the ramifacations of their speech and right or wrong someday as others have pointed out they will cross the line.
Hell, Airwolf, they crossed the line years ago. Hateful, malignant tumors on the American body. I'm going to side with Justice Alito on this and disagree with this SC ruling FOR those maggots.
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I hate the WBC but SCOTUS was right. Banning their protests would open the door to banning other forms of speech.
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I hate the WBC but SCOTUS was right. Banning their protests would open the door to banning other forms of speech.
I agree with this.
Wyoming made it law that protestors at funerals have to stay 100 yards from the procession, main parking area, and venue. Made me laugh. The WBC is the only group I know of that protests at funerals. So they have to stay a football field length away from anything connected to the funeral. It didn't take the legislators long to throw that law together and get it passed. Very little comittee work and no debate. Just reduce the likelihood of getting attention away.
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I agree with this.
Wyoming made it law that protestors at funerals have to stay 100 yards from the procession, main parking area, and venue. Made me laugh. The WBC is the only group I know of that protests at funerals. So they have to stay a football field length away from anything connected to the funeral. It didn't take the legislators long to throw that law together and get it passed. Very little comittee work and no debate. Just reduce the likelihood of getting attention away.
Every state should pass a law like that.
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Since all legal redress against them has apparently been foreclosed, that only leaves extra-legal means. One of these days in the foreseeable future, some bereaved relative who is also a terminal cancer patient or otherwise has noting to lose is going to unleash Hell on their asses at one of these things.
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Every state should pass a law like that.
Arizona has, in response to Phelps the Evil's plans to come picket 9-year old Christina Taylor's funeral.
http://patterico.com/2011/01/11/arizona-passes-law-against-picketing-at-funerals/
we already know the unions are picking up the tab for the cowardly lyin' Dem senators from WI so they can remain in Oz, but who's picking up the tab for the Westboro hate group? Hard to believe anyone would donate to their cause. :censored:
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Arizona has, in response to Phelps the Evil's plans to come picket 9-year old Christina Taylor's funeral.
http://patterico.com/2011/01/11/arizona-passes-law-against-picketing-at-funerals/
we already know the unions are picking up the tab for the cowardly lyin' Dem senators from WI so they can remain in Oz, but who's picking up the tab for the Westboro hate group? Hard to believe anyone would donate to their cause. :censored:
People don't donate, the WBC gets operational funds from the lawsuits they file when greiving families (inevitably) yell at or otherwise hurt their poor widdle feewings. It's all one big family, and a large portion of them are lawyers.
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People don't donate, the WBC gets operational funds from the lawsuits they file when greiving families (inevitably) yell at or otherwise hurt their poor widdle feewings. It's all one big family, and a large portion of them are lawyers.
Yep, they get their money by filling frivolous law suits. If we ever get tort reform, these asshats may find they're goin' to run out of money for their hate speech!
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Yep....and they're reproducing.
Inbreeding. Normal people don't reproduce with ****s like them.
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People don't donate, the WBC gets operational funds from the lawsuits they file when greiving families (inevitably) yell at or otherwise hurt their poor widdle feewings. It's all one big family, and a large portion of them are lawyers.
That should be grounds for disbarrment right there.
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That should be grounds for disbarrment right there.
Fred Phelps IS a disbarred attorney - which is why he's got his "family" pressing the legal attacks.
He was suspended from the practice of law for two years beginning in 1969, on three counts of professional misconduct. He was disbarred in 1979 for showing "little regard for the ethics of his profession", after several of his court filings seemed to be increasingly at odds with the facts of the assorted matters. The family's law firm continues to operate. Of Phelps' children, all adults, at least 11 are lawyers, and several work for the family firm.
Link (http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000025833/)
That's why any pretext or claim that Phelps has in a religious sense is total bullshit. He's a money whore -- pure and simple.
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People don't donate, the WBC gets operational funds from the lawsuits they file when greiving families (inevitably) yell at or otherwise hurt their poor widdle feewings. It's all one big family, and a large portion of them are lawyers.
My God, is that what we've come to in the USA?
I thought it was a horrible injustice when Mr. Barnett was ordered to pay restitution to some ****ing illegal aliens traipsing across his ranch, but this is even worse.
Personally, I think this country has veered way off track and would shame the Founders very much.
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Methinks Fred Phelps is a closeted homosexual. :mental:
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There are a handful of studies that would suggest that.
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There are a handful of studies that would suggest that.
I recall that the Menninger Foundation suggested that Phelps is a closeted homosexual and raging psychopath.
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Generally, the more rage and violence expressed towards LGBT people, the more likely someone is to have an arousal response to gay porn. (http://www.skeptictank.org/homosex.htm)
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Generally, the more rage and violence expressed towards LGBT people, the more likely someone is to have an arousal response to gay porn. (http://www.skeptictank.org/homosex.htm)
I bet he does have gay porn stash somewhere. Another whackjob besides Fred Phelps is Michael Crook. He is like Phelps minus the fact he is an Atheist. He is also anti-military and claims and hates gays.
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"Mass. to continue to enforce funeral protest rules
Attorney General Martha Coakley says Massachusetts will continue to enforce state law that keeps protesters at least 500 feet from a funeral despite last week’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding the right of a Kansas church group to picket military funerals.
Coakley told The Boston Globe she will advise police to continue to enforce a 500-foot buffer zone around funerals to prevent disruptions. She says police have discretion in maintaining order and that the Massachusetts law strikes a balance between protesters’ free speech and the rights of military families.
The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., exercised their right to free speech when they picketed the Maryland funeral of a Marine killed in Iraq and carrying inflammatory messages such as, "Thank God for Dead Soldiers.""
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1321431
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I bet he does have gay porn stash somewhere. Another whackjob besides Fred Phelps is Michael Crook. He is like Phelps minus the fact he is an Atheist. He is also anti-military and claims and hates gays.
On the other hand Michael Phelps just likes to smoke a little weed now and again.
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I suppose you're also free to stand outside a family reunion for a black family and scream the n-word.
Yes, you would be free to do that.
Though I suppose I might imagine the consequences of such actions.
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I suppose you're also free to stand outside a family reunion for a black family and scream the n-word.
Yes, you would be free to do that.
Though I suppose I might imagine the consequences of such actions.
That's a way to win a trip the ER.
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That's a way to win a trip the ER.
Not to mention being excoriated high and low. I have always thought if the media made half the fuss over the Phelps crazies as they did over Don Imus and that Seinfeld actor that sheer public opinion and loathing would've shut those ****ers the hell up.
Rest assured, if one of the dead victims happens to be black and the Phelps loonies scream about dead N being God's judgement, we won't have to listen to their shit any longer.
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Not to mention being excoriated high and low. I have always thought if the media made half the fuss over the Phelps crazies as they did over Don Imus and that Seinfeld actor that sheer public opinion and loathing would've shut those ****ers the hell up.
Rest assured, if one of the dead victims happens to be black and the Phelps loonies scream about dead N being God's judgement, we won't have to listen to their shit any longer.
Are you implying that the MSM and the left only pay lip service to teh Gheys and don't really care about how the Westboro Cult talks about teh Gheys?
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Are you implying that the MSM and the left only pay lip service to teh Gheys and don't really care about how the Westboro Cult talks about teh Gheys?
I get the sense that is what the MSM is doing. Interesting that the ACLU defends WBC, but not other Christian groups. Makes me think WBC has something to do with the left.
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Are you implying that the MSM and the left only pay lip service to teh Gheys and don't really care about how the Westboro Cult talks about teh Gheys?
Well, teh Gheys might actually like it IF the MSM and left paid lip service to them.
But yeah, over and above any other group, it's gotta be the African American who remains the UBER oppressed group in the Dim coalition. No one else can aspire to their special victim status.
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Well, teh Gheys might actually like it IF the MSM and left paid lip service to them.
But yeah, over and above any other group, it's gotta be the African American who remains the UBER oppressed group in the Dim coalition. No one else can aspire to their special victim status.
And that is because they are a guaranteed voting bloc for the DemRats.
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Not to mention being excoriated high and low. I have always thought if the media made half the fuss over the Phelps crazies as they did over Don Imus and that Seinfeld actor that sheer public opinion and loathing would've shut those ****ers the hell up.
Rest assured, if one of the dead victims happens to be black and the Phelps loonies scream about dead N being God's judgement, we won't have to listen to their shit any longer.
Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church protested outside of Coretta Scott King's funeral.
This was their portrayal of Topeka Mayor James McClinton [who is black]:
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He's not condemned in the press because a reaction is what he wants.
The man and his entire family was thrown out of his former church.
Condemnation doesn't do anything. You can't shame someone like Fred Phelps into silence. Attention, even negative attention, is like gasoline on an open fire. You ignore people like Phelps, which is what the media has wisely done.
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Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church protested outside of Coretta Scott King's funeral.
This was their portrayal of Topeka Mayor James McClinton [who is black]:
(http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/02/3/2/4/10261821193919209.jpg)
He's not condemned in the press because a reaction is what he wants.
The man and his entire family was thrown out of his former church.
Condemnation doesn't do anything. You can't shame someone like Fred Phelps into silence. Attention, even negative attention, is like gasoline on an open fire. You ignore people like Phelps, which is what the media has wisely done.
The media has mostly ignored Phelps but it hasn't helped at all to curb his batshit crazy antics. Maybe gasoline would help. :fuelfire:
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There are at least three, that I know of, documentaries on Phelps.
Google says there are 2,000+ news articles about the recent court ruling, alone.
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There are at least three, that I know of, documentaries on Phelps.
Google says there are 2,000+ news articles about the recent court ruling, alone.
Interesting from all sides. Now does anyone know if the WBC protested outside the funeral if DR. Tillman??????
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Interesting from all sides. Now does anyone know if the WBC protested outside the funeral if DR. Tillman??????
I went and googled it. Got sidetracked by the wikipedia entry for this lunatic, and boy he's nuttier than a bowl of peanuts on a bar counter. :mental:
Couldn't find any mention of him picketing Dr. Tillman's funeral, but he did protest, among others, Fred Rogers. :wtf3:
Link, followed by exerpt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_phelps
Prominent examples include President Ronald Reagan, Princess Diana, Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist, National Football League star Reggie White, Sonny Bono, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, atheists, Muslims, murdered college student Matthew Shepard, the late children's television host Fred Rogers, the late Australian actor Heath Ledger, Comedy Central's Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, political commentator Bill O'Reilly, Jews,[57] Catholics, Swedes, the Irish and US soldiers killed in Iraq. He has also targeted the Joseph Estabrook Elementary School in Lexington, Massachusetts, center of the David Parker controversy. In 2007 he stated that he would target the late Rev. Jerry Falwell's funeral.[58]
Shirley Phelps-Roper, a daughter of Fred Phelps, has appeared on Fox News, defending the WBC and attacking homosexuality. She and her children have also appeared on the Howard Stern radio show to promote their agenda and church. However, every time they appear, they are the subjects of ridicule and taunting.
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I get the sense that is what the MSM is doing. Interesting that the ACLU defends WBC, but not other Christian groups. Makes me think WBC has something to do with the left.
Like half of Fred Phelps family are Lawyers. In there lies the problem.
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Like half of Fred Phelps family are Lawyers. In there lies the problem.
In where?
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In where?
therein*
Meaning they know what they're doing legal wise,
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Ooooh, therein makes so much more sense.
Silly me, I was trying to figure out what physical location "there" was referring to, in which lay the problem.
[The Sarge's hint for young college kids: If you're going to adopt a condescending tone, try to do so with proper grammar.]