The Conservative Cave

Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: bijou on February 26, 2011, 12:29:56 PM

Title: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: bijou on February 26, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
(http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2011-02/59722686.jpg)

One sailor was shot by Navy police and another was taken into custody uninjured after they allegedly smashed their vehicle into two Navy police units during a chase on the San Diego Naval Base early Saturday morning.

The shot sailor was transported to UCSD Medical Condition where he is in stable condition.

Between 1 and 1:30 a.m., the Navy confirmed the two sailors, whose names have not been released, arrived at the Naval Base gate where they were stopped due to a "very strong suspicion" for drunk driving.

The gate guard called Navy dispatch, but instead of waiting for Navy officers to arrive on scene, the sailors sped off, and a small vehicle chase began, said Brian O'Rourke, Navy Region Southwest public affairs officer.

...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Sailor-Shot-on-Navy-Base-116979233.html
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: zeitgeist on February 26, 2011, 03:21:39 PM
 

 :drunksailor:

Sailor in San Diego drunk at 1:30 in the morning?

Ok, I can believe that. Mistakes were made, someone paid.   

Nothing good ever happens after midnight, less so when you are drunk.

Too bad someone got shot, but, as they say, one should think about that before getting drunk.


Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: NHSparky on February 26, 2011, 05:08:55 PM
The stupid shall be punished.  Even worse if they try to rush the gate.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: namvet on February 26, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
and the USN will add the brig time on to the end of they're hitch's.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: Thor on February 26, 2011, 08:21:18 PM
and the USN will add the brig time on to the end of they're hitch's.

Brig time is "dead time". Always has been that way. I suspect that they'll get NJP & a NADSAP referral/ assessment. Depends on whether or not they were dirtbags problem Sailors to begin with.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: seahorse513 on February 26, 2011, 09:57:41 PM
Don't give them the keys when they want a nip of grog.....
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: Thor on February 26, 2011, 10:34:59 PM
Don't give them the keys when they want a nip of grog.....


It don't quite work like that, Seahorse......
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: NHSparky on February 26, 2011, 10:38:18 PM
Brig time is "dead time". Always has been that way. I suspect that they'll get NJP & a NADSAP referral/ assessment. Depends on whether or not they were dirtbags problem Sailors to begin with.

Something tells me the driver ain't gonna get off nearly that easy.  CCU at the very least (more likely brig) followed by an OTH or BCD.

You know the deal--RIR to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and the Big Chicken Dinner!

Big Navy doesn't take kindly to people trying to crash the gates and run over base security vehicles.  They took a DUI and made it into several felonies.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: AllosaursRus on February 26, 2011, 11:38:04 PM
Brig time is "dead time". Always has been that way. I suspect that they'll get NJP & a NADSAP referral/ assessment. Depends on whether or not they were dirtbags problem Sailors to begin with.

Holy smokes! What were these guys thinkin'?

Gotta be newlyweds, figurin' "Don't ask Don't Tell" is bein' abolished. Is there really boys who don't know better than this who volunteered?

It's a wonder they're still alive!

Givin' the terrorist threat we face nowadays, who's to say when ya crash the gate, that ain't what ya are?
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: formerlurker on February 27, 2011, 06:01:11 AM
What a bunch of dumbasses.   


Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: formerlurker on February 27, 2011, 06:03:12 AM
Don't give them the keys when they want a nip of grog.....

I don't know what they were thinking trying to get  back on base when they were drunk off their asses - base checks at night are always 100% id (so everyone in the car needs to show their id).   

You ram a gate entry and actually walk away alive?  lucky bastards.  However their luck is completely over.   They are done.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: seahorse513 on February 27, 2011, 12:46:04 PM

It don't quite work like that, Seahorse......

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a drunk at the helm of a battleship or submarine, would you??

 :whistling: What shall we do with a drunken sailor early in the morning? wash him with a hosepipe till he's sober....lol

A couple of strokes of the cat-o-nine, throw him in the brig with water and bread rations
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: namvet on February 27, 2011, 12:48:57 PM
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a drunk at the helm of a battleship or submarine, would you??

 :whistling: What shall we do with a drunken sailor early in the morning? wash him with a hosepipe till he's sober....lol

A couple of strokes of the cat-o-nine, throw him in the brig with water and bread rations

at sea if they are drunk their relieved and handed over to the MAA until xfered out for prosecution 
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: Thor on February 27, 2011, 01:08:34 PM
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a drunk at the helm of a battleship or submarine, would you??

 :whistling: What shall we do with a drunken sailor early in the morning? wash him with a hosepipe till he's sober....lol

A couple of strokes of the cat-o-nine, throw him in the brig with water and bread rations

Drinking is against regulations aboard US Naval vessels UNLESS the Skipper allows a beer day. Even then, people will get like two beers only. Of course, not that I'd know anything about it, but I have heard of certain folks sneaking liquor aboard.... :whistling: It's amazing of all of the hiding places in an H-46......
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: seahorse513 on February 27, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
Drinking is against regulations aboard US Naval vessels UNLESS the Skipper allows a beer day. Even then, people will get like two beers only. Of course, not that I'd know anything about it, but I have heard of certain folks sneaking liquor aboard.... :whistling: It's amazing of all of the hiding places in an H-46......
When my grandfather was in the Royal British Navy, he would have thrown them in the brig, and that would be the end of it....
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on February 27, 2011, 02:15:01 PM
Forcing a gate or overpowering a sentry is exactly what the UCMJ charge of 'Forcing a Safeguard' is all about, aside from the more pedestrian (So to speak) crimes involved, like what the civilian world calls 'Reckless endangerment' or 'Assault with a deadly weapon' (Often used for someone trying to ram or run over someone else with a car.

More importantly, though, these dipshits are lucky to be alive, in these days of heightened tension over terrorism, they could easily have ended up pumped full of holes for doing crazy shit at the gate to an installation.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: namvet on February 27, 2011, 02:52:19 PM
When my grandfather was in the Royal British Navy, he would have thrown them in the brig, and that would be the end of it....

the Australian Navy fought with us in Nam. they let their sailors drink beer at sea. they were always waving their beer mugs at us. all we could wave back was pop cans or tea
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: AllosaursRus on February 27, 2011, 05:39:42 PM
Forcing a gate or overpowering a sentry is exactly what the UCMJ charge of 'Forcing a Safeguard' is all about, aside from the more pedestrian (So to speak) crimes involved, like what the civilian world calls 'Reckless endangerment' or 'Assault with a deadly weapon' (Often used for someone trying to ram or run over someone else with a car.

More importantly, though, these dipshits are lucky to be alive, in these days of heightened tension over terrorism, they could easily have ended up pumped full of holes for doing crazy shit at the gate to an installation.

No kiddin', it sounds like these guys stopped, but when they were confronted, then charged the gate. IMHO, it's a wonder they weren't "air conditioned" with a whole lot of holes!
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: namvet on February 27, 2011, 06:25:28 PM
archive. sdiego.former Marine steals tank and goes on rampage. a clear case of crush and run

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDYU-uKo1N8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: AllosaursRus on February 27, 2011, 11:08:38 PM
archive. sdiego.former Marine steals tank and goes on rampage. a clear case of crush and run

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDYU-uKo1N8[/youtube]

Unfortunately, that guy paid with his life. Wonder if the hate the left gave him after he had done his duty and came home had anything to do with it.

Wonder if the DUmmies have any remorse for what they have done to our Nam Vets?
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: thundley4 on February 27, 2011, 11:18:24 PM
Unfortunately, that guy paid with his life. Wonder if the hate the left gave him after he had done his duty and came home had anything to do with it.

Wonder if the DUmmies have any remorse for what they have done to our Nam Vets?

The DUmmies deny that the Nam Vets were mistreated.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: Thor on February 27, 2011, 11:24:10 PM
Unfortunately, that guy paid with his life. Wonder if the hate the left gave him after he had done his duty and came home had anything to do with it.

Wonder if the DUmmies have any remorse for what they have done to our Nam Vets?

Actually, that guy had a case of PTSD and/ or some other psychological problems. He had called to get some counseling the day before AND they day of the tank incident, but was turned away. He had been acting strange or a week or two according to his wife.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: AllosaursRus on February 28, 2011, 12:13:51 AM
Actually, that guy had a case of PTSD and/ or some other psychological problems. He had called to get some counseling the day before AND they day of the tank incident, but was turned away. He had been acting strange or a week or two according to his wife.

Christ, what a waste! I'm disgusted with the lack of care and compassion we show those we ask to do so much!

America should be ashamed it came to that!
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: dandi on February 28, 2011, 12:45:54 AM
Of course, not that I'd know anything about it, but I have heard of certain folks sneaking liquor aboard.... :whistling:

Yeah, me neither...

 :-)
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: dandi on February 28, 2011, 12:51:14 AM
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a drunk at the helm of a battleship or submarine, would you??

 :whistling: What shall we do with a drunken sailor early in the morning? wash him with a hosepipe till he's sober....lol

A couple of strokes of the cat-o-nine, throw him in the brig with water and bread rations

You live close to vesta, don't you?
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: namvet on February 28, 2011, 08:11:34 AM
I wonder how that guy got access to the tank ????

Libtards today still call me a baby killer. some even say I was personally responsible for starting it. and its out come. it just rolls off my knife. but when they go after the those that died that's over the line. I put the brass knuckles on and let em have it. and their families. so they go run off crying to a mod their being abused. some times i get a temp ban some time im gone for good.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: NHSparky on February 28, 2011, 08:41:18 AM
You live close to vesta, don't you?

Gee, how'd ya guess?
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on February 28, 2011, 08:57:21 AM
I wonder how that guy got access to the tank ????

The way they are normally secured, there is a way to get into them that all real tankers know.  It's fortunate he wasn't a better tank driver, the only thing that stopped him was getting high-centered on the rubble of the barriers; if he'd taken the time to turn and approach them at a steeper angle, he would have easily crossed them and continued the rampage until he ran out of Diesel.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: Rebel on February 28, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
tsk tsk tsk. Squids.
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: namvet on February 28, 2011, 09:43:36 AM
tsk tsk tsk. Squids.

yeah squids

(http://oi54.tinypic.com/axz3gx.jpg)
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: namvet on February 28, 2011, 09:44:28 AM
The way they are normally secured, there is a way to get into them that all real tankers know.  It's fortunate he wasn't a better tank driver, the only thing that stopped him was getting high-centered on the rubble of the barriers; if he'd taken the time to turn and approach them at a steeper angle, he would have easily crossed them and continued the rampage until he ran out of Diesel.

and the cops wanted to know if it was armed
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on February 28, 2011, 10:35:10 AM
and the cops wanted to know if it was armed

Unless it was stolen off the ready line at a tank gunnery range, it would not have main gun ammo on board in the US, nor would there be any live main gun rounds at the unit. 

The main gun was obviously secured in the travel lock, which means he couldn't aim it or the coax MG at anything even if he did have ammo for the 105 or had the coax MG mounted.  There was no .50 cal barrel showing from the TC cupola, either. 

Tank machine guns, and generally the main gun firing pin, are normally kept in the unit arms room, which is a lot harder to get into than a motor pool. 

Of course reporters don't actually know shit about much of anything anyway, and most cops don't know all that much more about weapons other than their carry piece beyond which end the bullets come out.  Facts obvious to a soldier can be total mysteries to them.  They were still right to shoot him, they had no way of knowing if he had a handgun on him, and the crew compartment of a tank is no place to try to wrestle down a possibly-armed man.   
Title: Re: Sailor Shot by Police on Navy Base
Post by: dandi on February 28, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
Gee, how'd ya guess?

 :-)