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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chris_ on February 25, 2011, 06:30:37 PM
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Now in Brooklyn, Homegrown Tobacco: Local, Rebellious and Tax Free
Ms. Silk’s backyard is home to raspberry and rose bushes, geraniums, impatiens and 100 tobacco plants in gardening buckets near her wooden deck. Inside her house, around the corner from Flatbush Avenue, in Marine Park, she has to be careful stepping into her basement — one wrong move could ruin her cigarettes. Dozens of tobacco leaves hang there, drying on wires she has strung across the room, where they turn a crisp light brown as they age above a stack of her old Springsteen records.
She talks about cartons and packs in relation to crops and seeds. Planted in 2009, her first crop— 25 plants of Golden Seal Special Burley tobacco — produced nine cartons of cigarettes. Ms. Silk would have spent more than $1,000 had she bought nine cartons in parts of New York City. Instead, she spent $240, mostly for the trays, the buckets and plant food.
But for Ms. Silk, 46, a retired police officer and the founder of New York City Clash (Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment), a smokers’ rights group, it is not just about the money. It is about the message. In the state with the highest cigarette taxes in the country, in a city that has become one of the hardest places in America to find a place to smoke, Ms. Silk has gone off the grid, growing, processing and smoking her own tax-free cigarettes from packets of seeds she buys online for about $2. She expects to produce a total of 45 cartons after planting two crops — the first in the summer of 2009, the second last summer — and estimates that she will have saved more than $5,000.
“It’ll make the antismokers apoplectic,†said Ms. Silk. “They’re using the power of taxation to coerce behavior. That’s not what taxation is supposed to be for.â€
New York Times (http://)
Now that's how you DIY. :II:
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I abhor smoking, but you cannot outlaw smoking.
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I've thought about it, but I thought tobacco had special conditions to grow, soil, temp and whatnot.
Retired at 46?
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I've thought about it, but I thought tobacco had special conditions to grow, soil, temp and whatnot. Yes, according to what type you want and what use you use it for.
Retired at 46? ...Yep, 46....and they wonder why their in financial trouble.
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I've thought about it, but I thought tobacco had special conditions to grow, soil, temp and whatnot.
Every plant does. If I grow anything it's usually basil, and I've managed to ruin a couple plants after making some mistakes. I say good luck to anyone that can figure out how to grow something and not kill it, because that ain't me.
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Every plant does. If I grow anything it's usually basil, and I've managed to ruin a couple plants after making some mistakes. I say good luck to anyone that can figure out how to grow something and not kill it, because that ain't me.
Grow?
Toenail fungus...I got ya beat! :-) :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
(sorrey...)
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I've found a way to work around the exorbitant cigarette prices, all of the added chemicals & some of the taxes, too. However, I'm not growing my own tobacco.
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I've found a way to work around the exorbitant cigarette prices, all of the added chemicals & some of the taxes, too. However, I'm not growing my own tobacco.
Don't smoke?
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Don't smoke?
Yeeeessss...dope...tobacco...lung disease...
Coming from a FORMER 20+ year cig smoker and 10 year hemp head...ended in 1985...(yes....so now you know)...
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Yeeeessss...dope...tobacco...lung disease...
Coming from a FORMER 20+ year cig smoker and 10 year hemp head...ended in 1985...(yes....so now you know)...
That explains a lot. (j/k :-) )
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That explains a lot. (j/k :-) )
Warn your children.... :-)
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I've found a way to work around the exorbitant cigarette prices, all of the added chemicals & some of the taxes, too. However, I'm not growing my own tobacco.
Don't smoke?
Nope, I still smoke.
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Nope, I still smoke.
Buy tobacco online or elsewhere and roll your own?
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Buy tobacco online or elsewhere and roll your own?
No, I buy it locally, but I DO make my own. It's just the type of tobacco I use. It works almost as well.
Ohh and, PG...... :mental:
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No, I buy it locally, but I DO make my own. It's just the type of tobacco I use. It works almost as well.
Ohh and, PG...... :mental:
Ok, ok, fess up. What are we talkin' 'bout here? Ya just gonna leave us in suspense?
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Yeah ya do 20 years in the NYPD and you can retire then they come up here and get a job as a county mountie and milk us for a while.
Everybody I know who still smokes rolls their own. Who is buying those $10 packs? Democrats I bet! :stoner:
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A few of the old eyetie tobacco growers on the hills behind town here decided, after the government terminated their livelihoods to sell "chop-chop" which is unexcised tobacco.
They got more hard time and fine for a triple trailer truck of tobacco than what they would have for the same volume of weed.
Our government gets around excise cheaters like this by making it more illegal to grow and cure tobacco than it is to do same with weed. Which is similar to their attitude on producing spirits for personal consumption.
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Ok, ok, fess up. What are we talkin' 'bout here? Ya just gonna leave us in suspense?
Hells yeah!!! :rotf: :rotf: :tongue: :fuelfire:
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Hells yeah!!! :rotf: :rotf: :tongue: :fuelfire:
I went the new age E-Cigarette and find the cost is at less then $10.00 a carton.
My Doctor was thrilled about this new devise and so am I.
It will take awhile to educate the public that this is along the idea of a nicotine patch or chewing gum, however the company's that make these nicotine delivery systems have brought law suits against the Airlines that ban them and now are going after chain restaurants and bars.
Wont be long before one can belly up to the bar order a drink and smoke these things -----Like old times with no smoke just water vapor and the glowing end and the feel of a real cigarette in the hand.
None of the 2,000 additives placed in tobacco and that does not include the paper and filters.
Best investment I ever made, I save per month the cost of 4 cartons of cigarettes at $40.00 each ===$ 160.00--- both of us smoke so that comes to $320.00 a month for cheap off brand smokes.
We save $240 an month or darn close to $3,000.00 a year and our hacking coughs are gone, we can now smell better and food tastes better.
No more smell of smoke on our clothing or hair, the house carpets and drapes now have no tobacco Oder. The new smell stays in our autos and no problem with our fingers turning yellow from the additives.
Still our brains do not know the difference and the nicotine still gives us a boost up, like coffee or tea. Our lungs are clearing up, no sinuses headaches and there is little problem with our skin or veins that contract with real cigarettes.
Any one that has the addiction needs to check into this, it is not the nicotine we are addicted to but the additives added. Who can as a smoker go a few hours without Strictnine, headed for the lungs????
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A temporary employee came into the building puffing one of those e-cigarettes the other day. That is the second time I have been exposed to the vapors coming off of one of those things, and nearly vomited from the smell. I do not smoke, and regular cigarette second hand smoke has no such effect on me.
Maybe they are putting ipecac in them? :-)
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A temporary employee came into the building puffing one of those e-cigarettes the other day. That is the second time I have been exposed to the vapors coming off of one of those things, and nearly vomited from the smell. I do not smoke, and regular cigarette second hand smoke has no such effect on me.
Maybe they are putting ipecac in them? :-)
Well that is one for the books if you could smell water vapor.
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Well that is one for the books if you could smell water vapor.
Vesta,
Stick your nose at the end of a car's tailpipe when it has been cool and humid outside, have someone start the car, and breath deep.
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Vesta,
Stick your nose at the end of a car's tailpipe when it has been cool and humid outside, have someone start the car, and breath deep.
Better yet, run a hose from the tailpipe to a window for just a few minutes. O-)
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Vesta,
Stick your nose at the end of a car's tailpipe when it has been cool and humid outside, have someone start the car, and breath deep.
Just may try that if I had proof that after the fact I now looked like a 20 year old with big tits, Hell woman my age would eat cat shit if the results were that good.
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Ohh and, PG...... :mental:
Wouldn't have it any other way...
What's your excuse? :tongue:
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My cigs are all natural. No additives. (at least that's what they're telling me and what the tobacco is sold as) The tubes don't have that self-extinguishing crap in them, either. The manufactured ones used to make Inga nauseous. These don't.
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Just may try that if I had proof that after the fact I now looked like a 20 year old with big tits, Hell woman my age would eat cat shit if the results were that good.
Are you getting this, Stinky? You could very well be sitting on a fortune.
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Are you getting this, Stinky? You could very well be sitting on squatting over a fortune.
fixt. The Sparkly's cat does not permit Stinky to cohabitate the catbox. :II:
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fixt. The Sparkly's cat does not permit Stinky to cohabitate the catbox. :II:
H5. :rotf:
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A few of the old eyetie tobacco growers on the hills behind town here decided, after the government terminated their livelihoods to sell "chop-chop" which is unexcised tobacco.
They got more hard time and fine for a triple trailer truck of tobacco than what they would have for the same volume of weed.
Our government gets around excise cheaters like this by making it more illegal to grow and cure tobacco than it is to do same with weed. Which is similar to their attitude on producing spirits for personal consumption.
Ain't that the truth, bubba! They can't collect tax on "the herb", so they screw us on everything else! Of course, lefties don't smoke, so whdoya think pays?
I saw one a few weeks ago where a neighbor sued the guy next door, because his cigar smoke could be "smelled" next door.
It was a health hazard, doncha know?
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Ain't that the truth, bubba! They can't collect tax on "the herb", so they screw us on everything else! Of course, lefties don't smoke, so whdoya think pays?
I saw one a few weeks ago where a neighbor sued the guy next door, because his cigar smoke could be "smelled" next door.It was a health hazard, doncha know?
While he himself was out there grilling vegetable burgers over green hickory word spreading smoke over the whole nieghborhood.
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Ain't that the truth, bubba! They can't collect tax on "the herb", so they screw us on everything else! Of course, lefties don't smoke, so whdoya think pays?
I saw one a few weeks ago where a neighbor sued the guy next door, because his cigar smoke could be "smelled" next door.
It was a health hazard, doncha know?
I wish I could get my new neighbor to take up smoking black cherry pipe tobacco, like the old neighbor did. :whistling: