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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Doc on February 23, 2011, 10:22:40 AM
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http://www.alternet.org/story/150013/scott_walker_falls_for_killer_prank_by_liberal_blogger_posing_as_rightwinger_sugar_daddy_david_koch
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/02/wi-gov-scott-walker-takes-prank-call-david-koch-real-recording-not-onion-piece
Well, I heard half of it on my local radio morning show just a bit ago, but in all three of the links, I can't find the audio. The reason, apparently, the page on "The Beast" "cannot be found." This is leading me to believe the audio is faked, or BS in some other way. What the hell is going on with all of this? Is this really the point we have arrived to? Are the liberal blogsters, and primitives in general THAT scared of Scott? This should be invasion of privacy if real, and if ffake, I don't know...harrassment? Either way, the blogger who did this should be sued.
I did however see that on Hartmann's site, he throws out a link to the DUmp for all the world to see. Nice to know you're "fair and balanced" Thom...
And he's the guy they try to throw the "reasonable" tag on. Go figure.
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(UPDATE, Wednesday, Feb. 23, 10:30 a.m.: The Beast's site has crashed, presumably because of the traffic this story is generating. Huffington Post reporter Sam Stein just tweeted that he has spoken to the site's publisher, who says the call is "absolutely legit," and was made via Skype. So they're standing by their story, at least.)
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/scott-walker-koch-brother-crank-call-wisconsin
Well....I guess we just have to go from here.
(And I found audio)
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It sounds like the caller recorded the call to Walker. Is that in violation of Wisconsin's wire tap laws or whatever the law is covering recording someone against their wishes?
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Don't know, but I'm working on e-mailing this to Vicki...
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It sounds like the caller recorded the call to Walker. Is that in violation of Wisconsin's wire tap laws or whatever the law is covering recording someone against their wishes?
I thought it was illegal in any state to record a phone call without getting permission of both parties. ??????
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Not to go off point too much, but I almost put this in "Breaking News." Just wasn't sure how "breaking" it was. It's just starting to gain steam.
And there shiould be punishment for this DUchebag. No question.
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Not to go off point too much, but I almost put this in "Breaking News." Just wasn't sure how "breaking" it was. It's just starting to gain steam.
And there shiould be punishment for this DUchebag. No question.
Not breaking news, IMHO. Mind-numbing stupidity perhaps.
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I thought it was illegal in any state to record a phone call without getting permission of both parties. ??????
It varies from state to state. Some even have laws about taping face to face conversations secretly.
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Wisconsin
If the person who records the wire, electronic, or oral communication is a party to the conversation or has obtained prior consent from one party, he may lawfully record and divulge the contents of the communication, unless he does so for the purpose of committing a criminal or tortious act. Wis. Stat. § 968.31.
Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,†Wis. Stat. § 968.27.
Wisconsin law expressly authorizes civil damages for violations and allows recovery of the greater of actual damages, $100 for each day of violation or $1,000, along with punitive damages, litigation costs, and attorney fees. Wis. Stat. § 968.31.
Recording a communication without consent is criminally punishable by up to six years in prison and/ or a $10,000 fine. Wis. Stat.§ 939.50.
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/wisconsin.html
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I thought it was illegal in any state to record a phone call without getting permission of both parties. ??????
It's legal in Wisconsin.
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If the person who records the wire, electronic, or oral communication is a party to the conversation or has obtained prior consent from one party, he may lawfully record and divulge the contents of the communication, unless he does so for the purpose of committing a criminal or tortious act. Wis. Stat. § 968.31.
Fraud or misrepresentation may play a part too, especially if it was done with the intent to harm a person, I'd think.
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Obviously, it was. We're talking about a jerk of a leftist blogtger here.
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It's legal in Wisconsin.
I may have caught that on "Handel on the Law" or something in a fleeting moment. Thanks for the correction.
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So I glanced over at the DUmp, and this appears to be HUGH news.
Does this mean that Gov. Walker is legs and this has toast?
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I was thinking as I was posting the thread: Son of a b*tch, this is just what we need...
I'm honestly almost speechless. I don't know what this could mean for Wisconsin if this comes to light as totally 100% true. I just hope there are some kind of consequences for the caller/blogger.
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The audio is supposed to be up on YouTube. I'm a little busy right now and haven't had time to verify these links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnSv3a6Nh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3a2pYGr7-k
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That first link works. Listening to something else right now, but I recognize that one.
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And the 75% of people in Wisconsin who are fed up with their money going towards unions are going to care about this why?
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And the 75% of people in Wisconsin who are fed up with their money going towards unions are going to care about this why?
My thoughts as well.
:ohnoes:
Not a prank phone call!!!!!!!!!!!!1eleventy1!!!!!!1
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And the 75% of people in Wisconsin who are fed up with their money going towards unions are going to care about this why?
They won't in the grand scheme of things, but it's going to burn like a 5 alarm fire for a while around here, and I'm not looking forward to it...
The governor takes many calls everyday," spokesman Cullen Werwie said. "Throughout this call the governor maintained his appreciation for and commitment to civil discourse. He continued to say that the budget repair bill is about the budget. The phone call shows that the governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having."
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/blog/article_7f7b33ce-3f6e-11e0-b629-001cc4c002e0.html
Right on the money!!
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Don't hide from it.
OWN it.
Look the idiots dead in the eye and say, "Yeah. And...?"
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I don't see anything wrong here -- the stuff he talked about is common knowledge.
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Just further proof that libtards have yet to move beyond a third-grade mentality.
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This is how the left operates. They can't win on the facts so they need some kind of distraction for everyone to focus on. Just like how they call us racist for not loving Obama.
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What exactly is supposed to be sooooo bad about this that Walker or anyone else should be embarrassed?
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The governor takes many calls everyday," spokesman Cullen Werwie said. "Throughout this call the governor maintained his appreciation for and commitment to civil discourse. He continued to say that the budget repair bill is about the budget. The phone call shows that the governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having."
That's actually a good response Rev!
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Unfortunately, I cannot lay claim to it. :(
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I posted this elsewhere, but it needs to be posted wherever the topic of this prankster comes up. He's a complete sack of shit and here's the proof:
http://buffalobeast.com/117/let_there_be_retards.htm
No way the left would ever stand for someone on the right pulling such a stunt.
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Hi-5 for revealing this atrocity, sir. You deserve it. What a disgusting excuse for a human being.
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Hi-5 for revealing this atrocity, sir. You deserve it. What a disgusting excuse for a human being.
Pfft! The people who are crowing about this current prank are the ones who are proudly reminiscing about the earlier prank. Case in point:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/big_time_beast.php
The link on "Dougie" points to the "Let There Be Retards" article.
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Anyone know anything about the law? I saw this argument being made:
Additionally, the call was placed from Buffalo, NY.
NY is a one-party-consent state, which means that only one party to a call needs to know it's being taped. No THIRD party can tape, but you can tape your boyfriend threatening to kill you in a phone rant.
A good way to have it, IMO. So there was no law broken in Murphy taping the call.
That doesn't smell right.
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Anyone know anything about the law? I saw this argument being made:
That doesn't smell right.
Wisconsin has something in their law about calls made across state lines, so the person may have broken Wisconsin laws.
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Wisconsin has something in their law about calls made across state lines, so the person may have broken Wisconsin laws.
Not the issue.
The issue is: there is nothing in that call this is illegal, unethical or bad policy on Walker's part.
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Not the issue.
The issue is: there is nothing in that call this is illegal, unethical or bad policy on Walker's part.
On Walker's part, no there isn't. Can the caller be charged, is my question.
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^ Well, in speaking with many liberals, I've noticed that their "unethical" bitch is what Walker said AFTER the "Koch" brother asked if Walkker wanted plants in the crowd. I've tried to explain to them that everyone who has a mind, a brain, and a light, and dark side, would THINK about it for starters. However, Walker did what anyone with a consience would do, and basically said NO! Many on the left would not say "No."
These people I have talkked to...they wouldn't budge.
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State laws are all quite different on this. If a Cop comes to your door in some states he can record what you say and even film the process.
If you record the conversation and have a nanny cam in the area, you cannot use either recordings for defence purposes.
In some States it is Illegal to record any altercation with a cop , or even film a police action happening outside your front door.
Phone recording are another thing, depends on the State, I have myself received calls from Insurance Company's that inform me they are tapping the calls for quality assurance. When I reply no problem I am also tapping this call they get right uptight and belligerent with me.
It is a crime in some states to tape someone without their knowledge, but using a sound video camera of an act is exceptable.
This Governor has not done the one thing he should have done when he took office, have a well trained staff. He may be using College Students that have no idea of the Skull Duggery that goes on in politics. He should have known that no one can take on the Unions without plenty of Savvy back up, body guards and remember Jimmy Hoffa.
Hard lessons for a young politician especially when facing down a TIGER.
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Disregarding any criminal laws, Koch can certainly sue for defamation. And should.
Applicable recording laws from Wikipedia (and sources cited in Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws
Twelve states currently require that all parties consent to the recording. These states are:
* California[11]
* Connecticut
* Florida
* Illinois
* Maryland[12]
* Massachusetts[13]
* Montana
* Nevada
* New Hampshire
* Pennsylvania[14]
* Washington[15]
[edit] One-party notification states
All other states (and the District of Columbia) not listed above require only that one party consent. Michigan's eavesdropping statute seems to put it into the two-party category, but the courts have ruled that in Michigan, a party may record their own conversation without the consent of any other parties but cannot grant that right to a third party[16] There are certain exceptions to these rules. See full rules here.
Of course, if a caller in a one-party state records a conversation with someone in a two-party state, that caller is subject to the stricter of the laws and must have consent from all callers. (Cf. Kearney v. Salomon Smith Barney Inc., 39 Cal. 4th 95 (2006).)
So if the call originated by one of the 2-party states listed above, than a criminal law was broken.
However, there may even be identity theft criminal charges that can be considered, particular if a cell or internet phone were used.
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Disregarding any criminal laws, Koch can certainly sue for defamation. And should.
Applicable recording laws from Wikipedia (and sources cited in Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws
So if the call originated by one of the 2-party states listed above, than a criminal law was broken.
However, there may even be identity theft criminal charges that can be considered, particular if a cell or internet phone were used.
This is a bag of worms.
I have not listened to the Court TV programs --Judge Judy etc.-- in Years, however I do remember a couple of cases she had that involved phone conversations in California.
One involved a case where the defendant taped a phone conversation without the knowledge of the caller--that case ruled that the Judge could not allow the tape to be used or listened to.
Another case where the caller left a message on a answering device was allowed.
This leads to the question of do people have the right to tape record conversations in ones own home without telling a visitor.
VA> back in the 1970 in cases involving the Child Protection Agency was turned on its head when Parents felt they needed proof of in compent workers took to recording the conversations of the workers when they came to their home. Phone conversations recorded and in fact investigated the investigates. Big turn over in workers for that Agency, much embarrassing things came to light.
When someone calls you on the phone are they not just in fact within your home as if they were in the street with a bull horn.
Now to stolen identity, to call or visit and misrepresent your self as a person with power, say a police officer, the Mayor or who ever and record the conversation under the name of or position of someone is Identity theft. The person who had their name stolen needs to put the hammer down on whoever used their name for their own benefit.
Rant here , question: Why did the Governor not have his incoming calls taped himself. Tapes can be edited and without a tape by the Governor to expose or counter what he did or not say------We have to remember Rosemarie Woods that accidentally lost some tapes in the days of Nixon.