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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on February 18, 2011, 06:26:46 PM
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:43 PM
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I'm screwed, so I want you to get screwed too.
I've heard radio caller say almost that very thing to people like Ed Schultz on the radio. One caller today said, "I'm middle class and my taxes went up two percent. Why shouldn't the state workers in Wisconsin have to pay half their insurance?"
They seem to forget that state workers typically work for less for those benefits, and they want to spread their personal to other middle class citizens.
They seem oblivious to the idea that the very rich and companies need to pay more, their fair share, because they still believe trickle down economics works.
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:44 PM
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1. I see it here on DU every day.
I do too. Poor bobo the hobo is virtually ignored by the wealthy here.
PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:44 PM
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2. Interesting how it's the same crowd with the "I've got mine, **** you!" attitude, no?
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 06:45 PM by PeaceNikki
Meanwhile, thousands are protesting to keep theirs and help others keep theirs, too.
No, they are protesting to keep for themselves what belongs to taxpayers.
dkf (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:50 PM
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6. Actually it's "I don't got mine and now I have to fund yours".
It's a choice to put public employees benefits before your own ability to provide for your future.
dkf is ignored, but hit the nail on the head. People are tired of subsidizing higher paid, better benefits state employees while they struggle on less.
Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:45 PM
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3. It's not about money. It's about destroying collective bargaining.
The public unions in Wisconsin and elsewhere have made it clear that they are willing to negotiate about dollars and cents. That's not what this is about. It's about destroying the union movement, once and for all.
Sure, they're willing to negotiate, but only after they see a rising tidal wave of public opinion ready to crash down on them.
Ilsa (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:47 PM
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4. You and I know that, DU knows that, but most of those
Righties don't get it. And they don't realize how they've benefitted from unions even if they don't belong to one.
I belong to one. I think they have outlasted their usefulness and overstayed their welcome.
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:43 PM
Original message
I'm screwed, so I want you to get screwed too.
I've heard radio caller say almost that very thing to people like Ed Schultz on the radio. One caller today said, "I'm middle class and my taxes went up two percent. Why shouldn't the state workers in Wisconsin have to pay half their insurance?"
They seem to forget that state workers typically work for less for those benefits, and they want to spread their personal to other middle class citizens.
They seem oblivious to the idea that the very rich and companies need to pay more, their fair share, because they still believe trickle down economics works.
I read this twice and I have absolutely no idea what she is saying here as it makes no sense whatsoever. I misplaced my DU misfit brochure with handy pocket translation guide, so if anyone can fill me in that would be great..
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They seem to forget that state workers typically work for less for those benefits, and they want to spread their personal to other middle class citizens.
The sixties called and they want their facts back.
What is killing local and state governments is the fact that for every public service person at work we the private sector are paying 4-5 times for all those on gold plated retirements.
BTW the average wage, not including benefits, of a WI teacher is $89,000. divide that by having to only work 9 months a year and you get an equivalent salary of $118,667. Pretty damn good for never having to work overtime or meet a deadline....and taking paid sick days off to protest you are not making enough money.
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:45 PM
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3. It's not about money. It's about destroying collective bargaining.
The public unions in Wisconsin and elsewhere have made it clear that they are willing to negotiate about dollars and cents. That's not what this is about. It's about destroying the union movement, once and for all.
WTF???? The only thing associated to collective bargaining is the healthcare and pension benefits! All he's sayin' is they have to be approved by the taxpayers who pay for them! Heaven forbid we put it to the people to decide what ya get in benefits! Wonder why they're so afraid of that?
They can still collective bargain over wages! So this DUmmie is a lyin' POS!
Big surprise!!!!!!!!!
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They seem to forget that state workers typically work for less for those benefits, and they want to spread their personal to other middle class citizens.
Apparently not the case in WI, from the published information on the average teacher compensation package and the state of employment there generally.
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Apparently not the case in WI, from the published information on the average teacher compensation package and the state of employment there generally.
Repeat a lie often enough.....
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The sixties called and they want their facts back.
What is killing local and state governments is the fact that for every public service person at work we the private sector are paying 4-5 times for all those on gold plated retirements.
BTW the average wage, not including benefits, of a WI teacher is $89,000. divide that by having to only work 9 months a year and you get an equivalent salary of $118,667. Pretty damn good for never having to work overtime or meet a deadline....and taking paid sick days off to protest you are not making enough money.
Or even produce a decent product... What's the HS graduation and literacy rates in WI?
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I'm uh doddering into my mid 50's. My whole life unions have never done a damn thing for me. Against me? Oh yeah, but for me? Nope.
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I'm uh doddering into my mid 50's. My whole life unions have never done a damn thing for me. Against me? Oh yeah, but for me? Nope.
I'm right there with ya Rand, I worked construction my whole life and 60 is just around the corner. Unions never did anything for me except make my job tougher. I was management so I had to deal with these lazy muthas!
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I read this twice and I have absolutely no idea what she is saying here as it makes no sense whatsoever. I misplaced my DU misfit brochure with handy pocket translation guide, so if anyone can fill me in that would be great..
Thank you. I read it and was clueless as to what she was trying to say.
I don't feel so bad now.
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-11 06:47 PM
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4. You and I know that, DU knows that, but most of those
Righties don't get it. And they don't realize how they've benefitted from unions even if they don't belong to one.
Yeah yeah and I'm tired of this simpleminded shit, too. It goes hand-in-hand with the dumbass argument that you have to love government and socialism because it brought you public highways, police services and blah blah blah.
I've got nothing against unions in principle. People have a right to free association and to engage in collective bargaining with their employers, and there's no question in my mind that unions have contributed to some constructive laws regarding things like child labor, workplace safety, etc.
It's a matter of degree, and you'd think that moonbats with their professed ability to do "nuance" would get that. Just because some good things come out of an institution does not mean it receives carte blanche to do anything it wants. Unions can go too far just like governments can, and when those unions represent workers that are compensated by taxpayers we have the right to stand up and say enough is enough.
When unions representing workers in the private sector cause prices to go up, we are free to take our business elsewhere to non-unionized vendors or those with unions with more modest demands. With government there is no choice except the ballot box. Wisconsonites exercised their choice in electing officials to rein in expenses including public payrolls. Time to deal with it.