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The Bar => Introductions & Subsequent Welcomes => Topic started by: Bertram on February 18, 2011, 09:01:18 AM
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My names Mike, I'm a Political Science major.
I'm probably get accused of being a liberal several hundred times, as my passion is Debate, so I've trained myself to see both sides.
I'm socially liberal, but politically moderate.
I have a conditioned irrational distaste for Conservativeness, however, I'm completely aware of this and I'm sure I'll overcome it eventually.
I have a knack for pointing out logical fallacies and giving tips on how to improve ones arguments, don't take it as an insult, it's merely constructive criticism.
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Welcome.
How did you find us?
No malicious intent behind the query--it's asked of all new members--it's just that as marketing director of conservativecave, I like to know what brings people here; what works and what doesn't work.
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Ohhh, I see, another one that thinks that he's more intelligent than the rest of us........ :banghead:
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Welcome.
How did you find us?
No malicious intent behind the query--it's asked of all new members--it's just that as marketing director of conservativecave, I like to know what brings people here; what works and what doesn't work.
Honestly? I Googled "Conservative Forum"
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Honestly? I Googled "Conservative Forum"
Yeah, honestly.
It's great market research.
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My names Mike, I'm a Political Science major.
I'm probably get accused of being a liberal several hundred times, as my passion is Debate, so I've trained myself to see both sides.
I'm socially liberal, but politically moderate.
I have a conditioned irrational distaste for Conservativeness, however, I'm completely aware of this and I'm sure I'll overcome it eventually.
I have a knack for pointing out logical fallacies and giving tips on how to improve ones arguments, don't take it as an insult, it's merely constructive criticism.
You're a political science major who has yet to take political philosophy. Spare us your condescension. The last thing we need is to be lectured by a wet-behind-the-ears know-it-all fresh out of the womb. Get some life experience, then come talk to us. Academic theory =/= Actual Practice.
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Ohhh, I see, another one that thinks that he's more intelligent than the rest of us........ :banghead:
Yeah, my daddy was a dumbass until I moved out of his house. He became very intelligent after that.... :rotf:
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Yeah, my daddy was a dumbass until I moved out of his house. He became very intelligent after that.... :rotf:
Samuel Clemens stated the same thing.
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years. ---Mark Twain
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You're a political science major who has yet to take political philosophy. Spare us your condescension. The last thing we need is to be lectured by a wet-behind-the-ears know-it-all fresh out of the womb. Get some life experience, then come talk to us. Academic theory =/= Actual Practice.
It's not my fault my school lies about what courses it has in the course book.
And your personal attacks are less than appreciated.
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It's not my fault my school lies about what courses it has in the course book.
And your personal attacks are less than appreciated.
If you came here looking for respectful and civil discourse, you should have checked your condescension at the door upon arrival.
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You're a political science major who has yet to take political philosophy. Spare us your condescension. The last thing we need is to be lectured by a wet-behind-the-ears know-it-all fresh out of the womb. Get some life experience, then come talk to us. Academic theory =/= Actual Practice.
When he finally gets his sheeps skin from a 10+ year course in "Real Life" at the School of Hard Knocks, his tune will change.
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If you came here looking for respectful and civil discourse, you should have checked your condescension at the door upon arrival.
My apologies, I didn't realize until now you are an administrator.
I didn't mean to come off as condescending.
I just though I'd jump right in! This is a discussion forum. It seemed to me that most people were talking about how they agree with each other! Clash is a GOOD thing, especially in discussion. It creates new ideas or new views on a position.
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My apologies, I didn't realize until now you are an administrator.
I didn't mean to come off as condescending.
I just though I'd jump right in! This is a discussion forum. It seemed to me that most people were talking about how they agree with each other! Clash is a GOOD thing, especially in discussion. It creates new ideas or new views on a position.
My position doesn't mean anything in this discussion. I'm not corresponding as an admin. I'm corresponding as a poster.
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It's not my fault my school lies about what courses it has in the course book.
And your personal attacks are less than appreciated.
Welcome to CC.
If you feel you are being attacked, perhaps you should reread how you introduced yourself.
I'm a Political Science major.
Congrats on working towards a degree. Education is a good thing. Many of our members have college degrees, and quite a few advanced degrees. Most of our members have years and years of experience in the work force.
I'm probably get accused of being a liberal several hundred times, as my passion is Debate, so I've trained myself to see both sides.
We don't care if you are a liberal. And it's always good for anyone to be able to recognize that there are often differening opinons on most topics.
I'm socially liberal, but politically moderate.
Ok.
I have a conditioned irrational distaste for Conservativeness
wow. You do realize that this is a "politically and socially conservative" forum, right? And your 4th sentence in your INTRODUCTION ABOUT YOURSELF...is to express your distaste for most of the people here? That's certainly classy.
however, I'm completely aware of this and I'm sure I'll overcome it eventually.
Maybe, but it's not my job to teach you some manners....I've already raised my children, and have no interest in someone else's child.
I have a knack for pointing out logical fallacies
really?
and giving tips on how to improve ones arguments
So nice of you to be so generous imparting your knowledge of debate. I'm sure everyone here, will be delighted to learn from you.
don't take it as an insult,
Ah, but Grasshopper.....you already insulted the membership with your fourth sentence. tsk, tsk.
it's merely constructive criticism.
Actually, so far you have merely demonstrated arrogance.
I, however, have given YOU, polite, yet constructive criticism, of your introductory post.
Others here....will just tell you to :foff: .... and justifiably so, all because of how you presented yourself to us.
Oh...and FYI ...though I am a moderator here...this post was made as a long time member to a new member who appears to need a bit of an attitude adjustment in order to prevent a hostile environment.
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Welcome to CC.
If you feel you are being attacked, perhaps you should reread how you introduced yourself.
Congrats on working towards a degree. Education is a good thing. Many of our members have college degrees, and quite a few advanced degrees. Most of our members have years and years of experience in the work force.
I'm probably get accused of being a liberal several hundred times, as my passion is Debate, so I've trained myself to see both sides.
We don't care if you are a liberal. And it's always good for anyone to be able to recognize that there are often differening opinons on most topics.
I'm socially liberal, but politically moderate.
Ok.
I have a conditioned irrational distaste for Conservativeness
wow. You do realize that this is a "politically and socially conservative" forum, right? And your 4th sentence in your INTRODUCTION ABOUT YOURSELF...is to express your distaste for most of the people here? That's certainly classy.
Maybe, but it's not my job to teach you some manners....I've already raised my children, and have no interest in someone else's child.
really?
So nice of you to be so generous imparting your knowledge of debate. I'm sure everyone here, will be delighted to learn from you.
Ah, but Grasshopper.....you already insulted the membership with your fourth sentence. tsk, tsk.
Actually, so far you have merely demonstrated arrogance.
I, however, have given YOU, polite, yet constructive criticism, of your introductory post.
Others here....will just tell you to :foff: .... and justifiably so, all because of how you presented yourself to us.
Oh...and FYI ...though I am a moderator here...this post was made as a long time member to a new member who appears to need a bit of an attitude adjustment in order to prevent a hostile environment.
Oh debk you put that so nicely.....but unfortunately Yankees mistake polite, mannerly, genteel conversation and discussion for weakness and stupidity. Maybe I should enlighten our new friend that when southern ladies, and southern gentlemen for that matter, have suffered enough of their insufferable Yankee attitude, that scorn and fury the likes of which even hell has never seen will come down on his little ass.
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Oh debk you put that so nicely.....but unfortunately Yankees mistake polite, mannerly, genteel conversation and discussion for weakness and stupidity. Maybe I should enlighten our new friend that when southern ladies, and southern gentlemen for that matter, have suffered enough of their insufferable Yankee attitude, that scorn and fury the likes of which even hell has never seen will come down on his little ass.
I grew up in the midwest, so I'm neither Yankee or Southerner. :tongue:
I'm polite, mannerly and genteel.... only up to a certain point. That point is considerably sharper when I encounter condescension and my intelligence is underestimated. :-)
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My names Mike, I'm a Political Science major.
I'm probably get accused of being a liberal several hundred times, as my passion is Debate, so I've trained myself to see both sides.
I'm socially liberal, but politically moderate.
I have a conditioned irrational distaste for Conservativeness, however, I'm completely aware of this and I'm sure I'll overcome it eventually.
I have a knack for pointing out logical fallacies and giving tips on how to improve ones arguments, don't take it as an insult, it's merely constructive criticism.
You'll overcome it when you're actually out there working and see how much of your salary goes to sustain others who don't work.
Welcome!
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You'll overcome it when you're actually out there working and see how much of your salary goes to sustain others who don't work.
Welcome!
He's a Poly-Sci major. Do you think he'll ever get a job? :tongue:
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He's a Poly-Sci major. Do you think he'll ever get a job? :tongue:
Ooops! :-)
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Hi Bertram,
Welcome, my name is Vesta.
Please accept my sincere condolenses that you were raised as orphaned.
You have done well to get into College with no family to teach you respect or civil deportment. Your future may be a bit hard as I do not think you could get a job as a Walmart greeter with your social skills.
Please pay no attention to some of the men here, they are a rough and rowdy group that were fighting off alligators in swamps before you were born.
It's some of us woman here that you need to tread carefully around, when we had kids like you, we spanked them and sent them to their room.
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Hi Bertram,
Welcome, my name is Vesta.
Please accept my sincere condolenses that you were raised as orphaned.
You have done well to get into College with no family to teach you respect or civil deportment. Your future may be a bit hard as I do not think you could get a job as a Walmart greeter with your social skills.
Please pay no attention to some of the men here, they are a rough and rowdy group that were fighting off alligators in swamps before you were born.
It's some of us woman here that you need to tread carefully around, when we had kids like you, we spanked them and sent them to their room.
Vesta, that was pretty dang cool. Hi5 for you. :-)
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My names Mike, I'm a Political Science major.
I'm probably get accused of being a liberal several hundred times, as my passion is Debate, so I've trained myself to see both sides.
I'm socially liberal, but politically moderate.
I have a conditioned irrational distaste for Conservativeness, however, I'm completely aware of this and I'm sure I'll overcome it eventually.
I have a knack for pointing out logical fallacies and giving tips on how to improve ones arguments, don't take it as an insult, it's merely constructive criticism.
Others have chimed in on your little introduction -- some more mannerly than others -- so I'm going to keep my "welcome" short and sweet.
**** off, grasshopper. Take your "conditioned irrational distaste" somewhere else, whether or not you're aware of it.
You wouldn't know constructive criticism if it spit in your face, so I'll just keep it uncivil -- maybe you'll understand that.
Asswipe.
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Hi Bertram,
Welcome, my name is Vesta.
Please accept my sincere condolenses that you were raised as orphaned.
You have done well to get into College with no family to teach you respect or civil deportment. Your future may be a bit hard as I do not think you could get a job as a Walmart greeter with your social skills.
Please pay no attention to some of the men here, they are a rough and rowdy group that were fighting off alligators in swamps before you were born.
It's some of us woman here that you need to tread carefully around, when we had kids like you, we spanked them and sent them to their room.
:rotf: :rotf:HI5 indeed!
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Hi Bertram,
Welcome, my name is Vesta.
Please accept my sincere condolenses that you were raised as orphaned.
You have done well to get into College with no family to teach you respect or civil deportment. Your future may be a bit hard as I do not think you could get a job as a Walmart greeter with your social skills.
Please pay no attention to some of the men here, they are a rough and rowdy group that were fighting off alligators in swamps before you were born.
It's some of us woman here that you need to tread carefully around, when we had kids like you, we spanked them and sent them to their room.
H5 Vesta!
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I grew up in the midwest, so I'm neither Yankee or Southerner. :tongue:
I'm polite, mannerly and genteel.... only up to a certain point. That point is considerably sharper when I encounter condescension and my intelligence is underestimated. :-)
Vesta, that was pretty dang cool. Hi5 for you. Ditto.
"Midwest", Hmmm, let's see. Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana... Yup, Yankee states all.
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Hi Bertram,
Welcome, my name is Vesta.
Please accept my sincere condolenses that you were raised as orphaned.
You have done well to get into College with no family to teach you respect or civil deportment. Your future may be a bit hard as I do not think you could get a job as a Walmart greeter with your social skills.
Please pay no attention to some of the men here, they are a rough and rowdy group that were fighting off alligators in swamps before you were born.
It's some of us woman here that you need to tread carefully around, when we had kids like you, we spanked them and sent them to their room.
Damn, vesta is growing on me :thatsright:
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Damn, vesta is growing on me :thatsright:
They make ointments for that, ya know.
But her response DID elicit a ^5 from me.
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Bertram, just remember, liberalism is learned in school. Conservatism is learned through experience.
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Bertram, just remember, liberalism is learned in school. Conservatism is learned through experience.
"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."
I don't necissarily agree with this, it just seems fitting as a response. :wink:
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It's surprisingly true. Liberals want to save the world. Conservatives have learned you can't, you can only improve what you have control over. It's very over-simplistic, but it's true in its rawest forms.
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"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I don't necissarily agree with this, it just seems fitting as a response. :wink:
I posted that Churchill quote on the DUmp once, lasted about 2.3 seconds.
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"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."
I don't necissarily agree with this, it just seems fitting as a response. :wink:
If you're going to quote someone, you really should give credit.......
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If you're going to quote someone, you really should give credit.......
That's why I only quote myself :naughty:
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If you're going to quote someone, you really should give credit.......
This part here-- Sir Winston Churchill
-My edit.
Kid, stick to pursuing an education and focus on the important things in life at your stage. Don't piss off your parents, don't wreck your car, don't get some chic knocked up, and when that little tingly thing happens down deep in your gut, second guess what your professors are feeding you, trust but verify. You will understand more when you have advanced to the point where you no longer call home for money and you actually have to work for it. If you have a part time beer money job now, that doesn't count.
Try this-
Actually know what you are doing and engage in that in a real life setting, with constant competition in the way of chasing better talent than what you are fielding, and make a go of it.
Pay your bills on time and in full by your own accomplishments.
Ask yourself, and I understand I am engaging a mind that depends on that mom & dad debit card, WHO IS GOING TO PAY YOUR WAY FOREVER?
When do you become a man?
I joined the Marine Corps at 17 and never looked back, did a four year hitch, entered the workforce, worked my way up in several jobs, have served as a foreman -try that as a welder in a railyard, it does not equate with head fry chef at Mickey Dee's. If my guys had a legitimate gripe with me it could mean fists out in the lot, and did a time or two, not "I have been offended, so you are a criminal" bs. I own my own home, three vehicles and a boat. I DO NOT LOOK TO ANYBODY TO PAY MY WAY FOR ME OR SEEK ANY SORT OF VICTIM STATUS TO HIDE BEHIND.
You will likely not understand this for several years to come. It is earned pal, not entitled.
You are certainly welcome here and your opinions are as well. Let them be your opinions, you do have a mind, use it. Drop the talking points, the precocious condescension and be yourself for once, think about that.
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Ohhh, I see, another one that thinks that he's more intelligent than the rest of us........ :banghead:
Oh goody! Another chew toy!
Oh debk you put that so nicely.....but unfortunately Yankees mistake polite, mannerly, genteel conversation and discussion for weakness and stupidity. Maybe I should enlighten our new friend that when southern ladies, and southern gentlemen for that matter, have suffered enough of their insufferable Yankee attitude, that scorn and fury the likes of which even hell has never seen will come down on his little ass.
You the man, Reb! The "distaste for conservatives", put him in the firing range, as far as I'm concerned! Maybe he shoulda opened up to us in the "Fight Club", instead.
Whadda ya think would happen if he opened with that phrase at the DUmp"? Hell, he'd be a celeb in no time!
However, if he opened with, "I have a severe distaste of liberals", he'd be eatin' pizza before he could hit "enter" on his next post!
Must be because they like the First Amendment so much!
So tell me again why you're here, Bertram?
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This part here-- Sir Winston Churchill
-My edit.
Kid, stick to pursuing an education and focus on the important things in life at your stage. Don't piss off your parents, don't wreck your car, don't get some chic knocked up, and when that little tingly thing happens down deep in your gut, second guess what your professors are feeding you, trust but verify. You will understand more when you have advanced to the point where you no longer call home for money and you actually have to work for it. If you have a part time beer money job now, that doesn't count.
Try this-
Actually know what you are doing and engage in that in a real life setting, with constant competition in the way of chasing better talent than what you are fielding, and make a go of it.
Pay your bills on time and in full by your own accomplishments.
Ask yourself, and I understand I am engaging a mind that depends on that mom & dad debit card, WHO IS GOING TO PAY YOUR WAY FOREVER?
When do you become a man?
I joined the Marine Corps at 17 and never looked back, did a four year hitch, entered the workforce, worked my way up in several jobs, have served as a foreman -try that as a welder in a railyard, it does not equate with head fry chef at Mickey Dee's. If my guys had a legitimate gripe with me it could mean fists out in the lot, and did a time or two, not "I have been offended, so you are a criminal" bs. I own my own home, three vehicles and a boat. I DO NOT LOOK TO ANYBODY TO PAY MY WAY FOR ME OR SEEK ANY SORT OF VICTIM STATUS TO HIDE BEHIND.
You will likely not understand this for several years to come. It is earned pal, not entitled.
You are certainly welcome here and your opinions are as well. Let them be your opinions, you do have a mind, use it. Drop the talking points, the precocious condescension and be yourself for once, think about that.
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Excellent, FB!
h5
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Let's try not to run this kid off. The fact that he's here and being respectful with his questions tells me that he's open to listening to our opinions. Instead of pushing another person over to the DU side, why don't we convince this kid that our beliefs are correct?
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This part here-- Sir Winston Churchill
-My edit.
I noticed that FreeBorn. My post was directed at Bertram. It's just plain rude not to acknowledge a quotation. I also find it fascinatingly odd that young Bertram, a sophomore in college, has difficulty spelling. (these misspellings don't seem to be typos, either, just blatant misspellings) Given his major, Poli Sci, that disturbs me even more. But what do I know?? I'm just some high school grad that enlisted in the military. ::)
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Let's try not to run this kid off. The fact that he's here and being respectful with his questions tells me that he's open to listening to our opinions. Instead of pushing another person over to the DU side, why don't we convince this kid that our beliefs are correct?
That's the idea, sir; membership retention.
Right now, though, there's some bozo running around that I wouldn't care if he dropped dead.
But once in a while we get a live one worth our time, and here I'm talking about our sort-of-esteemed member compaqxp, who's of course wrong-headed about politics and probably most other things, but he has a healthy robust sense of humor, a rare trait on the other side.
This Bert guy here, I'm not so sure about, but time will tell. I'm willing to give Bert a chance.
But that one Eskimo bozo running amok around here, I wish he'd drop dead.
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Yeah, Yukon is just here to stir the pot. His problem is that he sucks at it.
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That's the idea, sir; membership retention.
Right now, though, there's some bozo running around that I wouldn't care if he dropped dead.
But once in a while we get a live one worth our time, and here I'm talking about our sort-of-esteemed member compaqxp, who's of course wrong-headed about politics and probably most other things, but he has a healthy robust sense of humor, a rare trait on the other side.
This Bert guy here, I'm not so sure about, but time will tell. I'm willing to give Bert a chance.
But that one Eskimo bozo running amok around here, I wish he'd drop dead.
Well what if he runs off other members because he turns this place into any other political forum with the same liberal spew?
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Well what if he runs off other members because he turns this place into any other political forum with the same liberal spew?
Well, as I said, madam, I'm willing to give Bert a chance.
His choice; a chance to shine or a chance to flop.
A master of his own destiny, this Bert guy.
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I really doubt a few wrong-headed liberals here are going to change the political nature of conservativecave.
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I really doubt a few wrong-headed liberals here are going to change the political nature of conservativecave.
+1
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Well what if he runs off other members because he turns this place into any other political forum with the same liberal spew?
Majority rules Gina. That won't happen. The thing that is great about this site is the ability to express your POV, regardless of it's political stance. Of course, disrespectful insolence isn't tolerated, I mean there ARE standards. :-)
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Majority rules Gina. That won't happen. The thing that is great about this site is the ability to express your POV, regardless of it's political stance. Of course, disrespectful insolence isn't tolerated, I mean there ARE standards. :-)
Yup Iassa, strangers enter your home by rules of civility we should treat them as guests.
When the strangers piss on your carpet and steal your spoons then is the time to ask no questions or try to understand them, you grab them by the belt and heave them out into a snow bank.
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Yup Iassa, strangers enter your home by rules of civility we should treat them as guests.
When the strangers piss on your carpet and steal your spoons then is the time to ask no questions or try to understand them, you grab them by the belt and heave them out into a snow bank.
You are a very eccentric person. I love reading your posts.
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You are a very eccentric person. I love reading your posts.
Stop hitting on vesta dude :naughty:
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Stop hitting on vesta dude :naughty:
Uh, no. I get the feeling she has no less than 75 cats in her home. Not that it's a bad thing....
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Uh, no. I get the feeling she has no less than 75 cats in her home. Not that it's a bad thing....
ah ha!!! you are a cat lover :naughty:
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ah ha!!! you are a cat lover :naughty:
Most men like pussies
(cats)
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My names Mike, I'm a Political Science major.
I'm probably get accused of being a liberal several hundred times, as my passion is Debate, so I've trained myself to see both sides.
I'm socially liberal, but politically moderate.
I have a conditioned irrational distaste for Conservativeness, however, I'm completely aware of this and I'm sure I'll overcome it eventually.
I have a knack for pointing out logical fallacies and giving tips on how to improve ones arguments, don't take it as an insult, it's merely constructive criticism.
Hopefully you'll grow out of the stars-in-your-eyes and I'm-like-totally-super-intelligent phase when you enter the workaday world and start having to rely upon yourself. At least you're cognizant of your one admitted failing. It's a start. Good luck.
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Let's try not to run this kid off. The fact that he's here and being respectful with his questions tells me that he's open to listening to our opinions. Instead of pushing another person over to the DU side, why don't we convince this kid that our beliefs are correct?
AYFKM?
Respectful with his questions/comments? Like this?
Homosexuality isn't just about sex. It's a state of identity.
You then said sex outside of marriage is immoral. That didn't really answer. But never mind. Why is sex outside of marriage immoral?
People seem to throw the word immoral out at anything they disprove of now adays.
How about this one?
So the whole argument that it harms troop cohesion and morale is mostly baseless?
Awesome.
The first comment was not written in a manner indicating respectful discourse. If anything, the comment denotes petulance, arrogance, and a heaping tablespoon of "**** you."
You, as a cop, get to deal with that shit every day and my hat's off to you because you apparently can do it without boiling over. I'm not a cop, so I don't have to deal with that shit every day. Therefore, I can allow myself to call bullshit on a kid who thinks his shit doesn't stink.
The second comment was written in response to your own expressed position on gays in the military.
While I disagree with your premise, the fact you served goes a long way and while I disagree, I respect your opinion.
Asswipes like this kid Bertie have nothing to say in this matter, as far as I'm concerned, until they ruck up and swear an oath. Until then, it's just another punk running his cock holster [h/t to Sparky for that one :lmao:]
Tell you what -- you go ahead and entertain him. I'll engage when he ****s up.
If he runs off to DU, that's no sweat off my brow. Good friggin' riddance.
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What exactly does a political science major do once he milks mom and dad for the money to get his degree?
They become politicians! They indoctrinate these kids to the liberal religion, then send them out to indoctrinate others! These are the kids that stifle free speech on campus by actin' like complete assholes when a conservative is invited to speak. They protest, shout down the speaker so his opinion cannot be heard, hell, they even throw pies in order to disrupt any education that might be gained!
How many times have ya engaged in this sort of childish behavior, Bert?
We're not goin' to change this punk's mind in the least! What the hell would he do for a job after he graduates? Pretty sure anyone tryin' to introduce this puppy into conservatism is "humpin' a football"!
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What exactly does a political science major do once he milks mom and dad for the money to get his degree?
They become politicians! They indoctrinate these kids to the liberal religion, then send them out to indoctrinate others! These are the kids that stifle free speech on campus by actin' like complete assholes when a conservative is invited to speak. They protest, shout down the speaker so his opinion cannot be heard, hell, they even throw pies in order to disrupt any education that might be gained!
How many times have ya engaged in this sort of childish behavior, Bert?
We're not goin' to change this punk's mind in the least! What the hell would he do for a job after he graduates? Pretty sure anyone tryin' to introduce this puppy into conservatism is "humpin' a football"!
You have made some progress in me. I took a few hours studying the Laffer curve, now I understand how raising tax rates can decrease tax income. But I'm still a pro healthcare, (Not the current system, the current system sucks) pro moderate gun control, support gay marriage, I think organized religion is (mostly) unproductive, I'm not pro union, but I'm not anti union. I haven't made up my mind. I don't care about abortion because I think that is should be (almost) a non issue. I think the American Political system is terribly broken, it's run by lobbyists and corporations. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission makes me cry a little inside.
There are only two parties in the United States so every election there is a choice between two evils. A Parliamentary system would be much better. I think that there should be a test required to be eligible to vote, but I'm still working on that plan, maybe I'll start a new thread with my 'master plan.' I think Sarah Palin is not suited to be President and McCain might be sitting in that office if he had chose somebody else.
That's my overall bias. :)
I'm here to be intellectually manipulated into being more conservative. Or at least legitimizing Conservative viewpoints in my head. (So I can use them to crush unwitting liberal debaters)
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Funny, I have grown to distaste liberals but it was never conditioned or irrational.
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You have made some progress in me. I took a few hours studying the Laffer curve, now I understand how raising tax rates can decrease tax income. But I'm still a pro healthcare, (Not the current system, the current system sucks) pro moderate gun control, support gay marriage, I think organized religion is (mostly) unproductive, I'm not pro union, but I'm not anti union. I haven't made up my mind. I don't care about abortion because I think that is should be (almost) a non issue. I think the American Political system is terribly broken, it's run by lobbyists and corporations. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission makes me cry a little inside.
There are only two parties in the United States so every election there is a choice between two evils. A Parliamentary system would be much better. I think that there should be a test required to be eligible to vote, but I'm still working on that plan, maybe I'll start a new thread with my 'master plan.' I think Sarah Palin is not suited to be President and McCain might be sitting in that office if he had chose somebody else.
That's my overall bias. :)
I'm here to be intellectually manipulated into being more conservative. Or at least legitimizing Conservative viewpoints in my head. (So I can use them to crush unwitting liberal debaters)
As you've said, you're listening. That's a good thing.
You've let a list of positions out on various issues. Now it's time for you to justify them.
Maybe the thing to do is for you post a thread on one or more of these issues, along with your rationale as to WHY you believe what you believe. If it's your opinion, state so. If you're basing your belief on empirical evidence, strongly suggest you provide a link to that source -- and hopefully it's a credible source. Wikipedia is not generally considered to be terribly credible, though depending on the issue, Wiki does have its uses.
I'd suggest also that you do NOT begin in this thread. This is an intro thread, not a political or social issue thread.
I'll withhold further commentary until you present your theses.
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Funny, I have grown to distaste liberals but it was never conditioned or irrational.
I bet living in CA is making that hatred/distaste of liberals more conditioned, though.
Tell me I'm wrong, BEG.
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Conditioned distaste=single liberal mom.