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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-17-11 04:03 PM
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Does Helen Thomas regret comments on Israel? ‘Hell no’ Updated at 5:15 PM
Does Helen Thomas regret comments on Israel? ‘Hell no’
* Posted on 02.17.11
Veteran journalist Helen Thomas resigned her decades-long position in the White House Press Corps after a public outcry over her remarks on the Israel-Palestine conflict. But does she regret telling Israelis to “get the hell out of Palestine�
“Hell no,†Thomas told Headline News Network’s Joy Behar, in the midst of her first television interview since returning to work as a weekly newspaper columnist.
This video is from the Headline News Network, broadcast Feb. 16, 2011.
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/02/does-helen-th...
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BOG PERSON (817 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-17-11 04:17 PM
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1. you go, girl!
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2. WTF? Updated at 6:29 PM
Oh, so it's OK to want people to leave their homes and go elsewhere? I would suggest that every white person in this country go the hell back to Europe or wherever and get out of here, myself included, and leave it to the Native Americans.
This is OK..."You go girl!" ??? Really!?
And Is DU now the place for Israel-bashing at every opportunity? Of all the countries who are on the world stage, why is Israel the one place allowed to be bashed continually and almost everyone here seems to either pile on or be afraid to post counter-arguments for fear of being deleted or worse, banned? You know what, Israel-haters, you make some suggestions about how the surrounding countries could better take care of their own populi for a change and just give it a rest. I don't see any Egypt-Palestine Forums, even though the Gaza border is as closely monitored as the Israel-Gaza border is, and furthermore, I also don't see any Turkey-Armenia Forus either, in order to reconcile THAT Holocaust among DUers. How about Chinese-Japanese-American fora to discuss issues or North Korea - South Korea either. How about Russia-Fillintheblank-stan Forum, since the terror over there is threatening?
Jeez, people.
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7. I was willing to give her a pass on those comments
I didn't think she meant Jews within Israel should leave, but the comments about Zionists owning the White House and Hollywood and Wall Street? Flat out anti-semitic shit.
And yeah, there's a lot of excuses made for that crap.
Sadly, DU has long had a problem with anti-semitism and other forms of bigotry.
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You just now noticed????
chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-17-11 06:00 PM
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29. Some people are sick of a murderous APARTHEID state, given billions of OUR TAX DOLLARS to bully the
rest of the Middle East. We see how our politicians go to AIPAC and KISS ASS, and vote for wars supported by the neo-cons.
It has nothing to do with bigotry or anti-semitism. It's being sick to death of bullying assholes - who murder and steal from the Palestinians and play us all for fools in the sham of "peace talks".
And anyone who dares speak truth to their bullying is OUT OF A JOB - or worse.
Go Helen. Don't let 'em f*ck with you!
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What??? Did you miss the fact that the US gives billions to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other countries in the middle east? Israel is a tolerant place. In most of the muslim countries, you are subject to Sharia law.
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38. It doesn't matter how sick you are of it, you endorse that shit about
"Zionists" owning Hollywood and the White House, you're nothing but a sick bigot, no different at all from the Stormfronters.
It's classic anti-semitism and it has everything to do with it.
It has nothing to do with Israel. One can oppose Israeli politics without being anti-semitic. Well, most of us can.
You, evidently can't.
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28. The people she was referring are illegally occupying land Updated at 2:53 PM
that does not belong to them. And it's time something was done about that. Why should she regret telling the truth?
We need more people doing that, but most of our journalists are too cowardly to speak the truth.
You are twisting what she was referring to. Ari Fleischer and his gang did a good job of rail-roading her it seems. All I know is if the liar, Ari Fleischer is on my side, I would be worried.
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If you care so much about who is occupying whose land, then why only Israel and the Pallywhackos? Were is your outrage over China's occupation of Tibet? The British Mandate was partitioned and the Arabs rejected it, and attacked the Jews. Not only that, the land has been Jewish for thousands of years. Do you really think Muslims built Masada?
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35. Horse-crap. Updated at 6:29 PM
Ya know what? Right after the Partition, the Arab countries declared war on Israel. They frigging lost. Israel captured territory in a war they didn't begin. That's how it works: to the victor belong the spoils. The Arabs who stayed enjoyed full citizenship in Israel and more rights that your erstwhile fave-folk in Egypt, Syria, and most of the rest. The ones who left, left b/c they were told that they would be able to return when the Jews were all dead and gone. Well, it didn't work out that way, did it?
You yourself are occupying territory that, by your denfinition, is not rightfully yours. You be the first to stand on principle and get out. I'll be impressed as all Hell.
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3. Go Helen, and thanks for your voice from all of us. n/t
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4. Ditto
Love you Helen!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-17-11 04:34 PM
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6. How about her remarks claiming "Zionists" run... well, everything?
Does she regret those? Because they sure as shit aren't about Israel.
"Congress, the White House and Hollywood, Wall Street are owned by Zionists. No question, in my opinion."
Thomas made those incendiary comments, according to a Detroit News report, before a diversity conference Thursday.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2010/12/08/1317...
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13. GOOD!
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17. You mean like the policy of "Jews living there"? Updated at 6:29 PM
THAT policy?
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22. no, Israelis living on land that isn't thiers.... you are trying to paint me as an anti-semite
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 05:53 PM by fascisthunter
don't put words into my mouth and take a deep breath.
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Uhh the land is theirs, you dolt.
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23. sorry, folks, but if you're reccing this
you're reccing the crap about "Zionists" owning the WH, Hollywood and Wall Street, and that is classic Protocols style anti-semitism.
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I am surprised you lasted this long at the hive. You are not going to change their minds though.
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Can I get one for the Jooooooos?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-17-11 04:03 PM
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Does Helen Thomas regret comments on Israel? ‘Hell no’
Helen Thomas?!
Isn't that the inbred bigot that had a human butt grafted to her neck and uses a red lipstick ringed anus as her mouth?
Thought so...
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Helen Thomas?!
Isn't that the inbred bigot that had a human butt grafted to her neck and uses a red lipstick ringed anus as her mouth?
Thought so...
H5 for a perfect description of her! :lmao:
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Naw, the DUmp is not racist at all!!!!!!!!!!!
****in' ingrates!
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Where has PCIntern been posting for those over 1000 posts? DU has always, always, always been anti-semite and bashing the Jooooos at every turn. In fact behind Bush and a real job the Jooos are third in line in the most maligned category.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-17-11 04:30 PM
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2. WTF? Updated at 6:29 PM
Oh, so it's OK to want people to leave their homes and go elsewhere? I would suggest that every white person in this country go the hell back to Europe or wherever and get out of here, myself included, and leave it to the Native Americans.
This is OK..."You go girl!" ??? Really!?
And Is DU now the place for Israel-bashing at every opportunity? Of all the countries who are on the world stage, why is Israel the one place allowed to be bashed continually and almost everyone here seems to either pile on or be afraid to post counter-arguments for fear of being deleted or worse, banned? You know what, Israel-haters, you make some suggestions about how the surrounding countries could better take care of their own populi for a change and just give it a rest. I don't see any Egypt-Palestine Forums, even though the Gaza border is as closely monitored as the Israel-Gaza border is, and furthermore, I also don't see any Turkey-Armenia Forus either, in order to reconcile THAT Holocaust among DUers. How about Chinese-Japanese-American fora to discuss issues or North Korea - South Korea either. How about Russia-Fillintheblank-stan Forum, since the terror over there is threatening?
Jeez, people.
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I will give you a simple and direct answer.
Because it is in the Bible.
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Where has PCIntern been posting for those over 1000 posts? DU has always, always, always been anti-semite and bashing the Jooooos at every turn. In fact behind Bush and a real job the Jooos are third in line in the most maligned category.
It seems to me that a lot more DUmmies hate Christians. That may just be because they're less inhibited in displaying hatred against Christians, since when their hatred of Jews shines through, someone always calls them on anti-semitism. No DUmmy ever dares to speak up in defense of Christianity.
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Can I get one for the Jooooooos?
Yes, but you have to give them eight hearts, once each successive day. Oh and it starts on Groundhog Day. Hey, don't blame, Teh Jooooos just have squirrely holiday rules.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-17-11 05:51 PM
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22. no, Israelis living on land that isn't thiers.... you are trying to paint me as an anti-semite don't put words into my mouth and take a deep breath.
Primitive got mad because he doesn't want to "appear" as a Jew hater, which he really is. He got called out and doesn't like it.
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35. Horse-crap. Updated at 6:29 PM
Ya know what? Right after the Partition, the Arab countries declared war on Israel. They frigging lost. Israel captured territory in a war they didn't begin. That's how it works: to the victor belong the spoils. The Arabs who stayed enjoyed full citizenship in Israel and more rights that your erstwhile fave-folk in Egypt, Syria, and most of the rest. The ones who left, left b/c they were told that they would be able to return when the Jews were all dead and gone. Well, it didn't work out that way, did it?
You yourself are occupying territory that, by your denfinition, is not rightfully yours. You be the first to stand on principle and get out. I'll be impressed as all Hell.
That may be the most, indeed the only intelligent post I've ever read from the dental office janitor.
It gives me a chill of fright that I can't find anything to disagree with.
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That may be the most, indeed the only intelligent post I've ever read from the dental office janitor.
It gives me a chill of fright that I can't find anything to disagree with.
You're absolutely right! If this were the case, then I guess the Arabs oughta give the Mediterranean back to the Romans, or Africa oughta give half the continent back to the Egyptians!
I never have understood this train of thought. The Jews were there before Allah! Jesus and the Bible were already in existence before Islam re-wrote it it in order to suit a child molester's religion!
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You're absolutely right! If this were the case, then I guess the Arabs oughta give the Mediterranean back to the Romans, or Africa oughta give half the continent back to the Egyptians!
I never have understood this train of thought. The Jews were there before Allah! Jesus and the Bible were already in existence before Islam re-wrote it it in order to suit a child molester's religion!
I am going on memory here so may be wrong but after the six days war if we had not stopped them wouldn`t Egypt be called Israel now?
I should research the exact conflict but am being lazy,regardless the statement is true and Israel has given back most of the territory it conquered.
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I am going on memory here so may be wrong but after the six days war if we had not stopped them wouldn`t Egypt be called Israel now?
I should research the exact conflict but am being lazy,regardless the statement is true and Israel has given back most of the territory it conquered.
You're exactly right. If we hadn't stepped in and called 'em off, the Israeli's coulda owned most of the Middle East! At least had control of the SUez Canal, then we wouldn't even be havin' this problem at all!
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kpete (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-17-11 06:23 PM
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Does Helen Thomas regret comments on Israel? ‘Hell no’
This topic has been moved by the moderator of this forum.
It can be found at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Swept back into the I/P forum, where $kimmer hides all his anti-Semites.
:rotf:
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I am going on memory here so may be wrong but after the six days war if we had not stopped them wouldn`t Egypt be called Israel now?
I should research the exact conflict but am being lazy,regardless the statement is true and Israel has given back most of the territory it conquered.
They kicked the shit out of Egypt several times. I know it was the Yom Kippur War in '73 where they had the entire Egyptian Third Army encircled and cut off on the Sinai. It took some heavy pressure from Kissinger to save the Egyptians from annihilation.
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They kicked the shit out of Egypt several times. I know it was the Yom Kippur War in '73 where they had the entire Egyptian Third Army encircled and cut off on the Sinai. It took some heavy pressure from Kissinger to save the Egyptians from annihilation.
That's the IDF PR version, the reality is much more complicated and not as wonderful-sounding for the Israelis.
In 1967 the Israelis jumped first and not surprisingly gained a huge advantage by declaring war via strike jets already inbound on their first targets - Egyptian airfields in the Sinai - as soon as they crossed the border. The IDF gained air dominance and the Arabs were pretty screwed at that point, but on the other hand the Israeli military pretty much exhausted its capabilities in getting to the Canal. Any idea of going on to Cairo was basically crazy talk and they knew it.
1973 was a different situation and was as much a proxy war between us and the USSR as it was an Arab-Israeli event. This time the Egyptians had spent a great deal of effort turning their Army into a more Western form, i.e. small unit leadership more on the NATO model rather than the horde-of-armed-rabble model. The Egyptians prepared a surprise attack of their own aimed at regaining the Canal, under the protection of a high-speed integrated air defense system, the latest tech the Soviets had to offer, that inflicted very heavy losses on the Israeli air force when it tried to interfere.
The Egyptian Army had a very sound plan with the limited strategic objective of just regaining control of the Canal without moving out of their air defense umbrella, unfortunately for them Sadat interfered with the whole thing because the Syrians, who did not have such an improved army and were morons to boot, got into major trouble and pleaded for him to launch further attacks to take the heat off them. The Egyptian military leaders knew it wouldn't end well but Sadat gave them no choice, still the whole thing would have probably ended there on the Egyptian front with the Egyptian owning the Canal again and massive losses on both sides, a stalemate but an improvement in the situation for Egypt.
However at that point the Big Powers got involved. We shipped about every TOW in Europe and an awful lot of the ready tank ammo and spare parts stocks to Israel in a massive airlift. While it rendered the US Army in Europe temporarily combat ineffective, it enabled the IDF to launch their big counterattack through Chinese Farm, which could never have happened without the airlift.
It succeeded a little too well because our pals, the IDF, kept ignoring stop lines their own government had agreed to in Kissinger's shuttle diplomacy, which was starting to make us look like lying bastards, and the Soviets (Who were hardly ignorant of our role in bankrolling the counteroffensive) became highly unamused with Sharon's antics and our role in supporting them, so they put their airborne divisions on immediate alert to deploy and sort out the Canal. Soviet divisions were smaller than ours, but eight of theirs versus one of ours (With no TOWs left) didn't sound like good odds.
The US military went on worldwide alert in its turn, but since the US ammo supply in Europe had been raped already, pushing anything from our side was your basic mother of all bad ideas, and enough bitchslaps finally made their way down the Israeli chain of command to get the field forces to observe the halt lines. Just in time, because Ari Sharon's disregard of the agreed halt lines came closer to plunging us into war with the USSR than anything but the Cuban Missile Crisis.
So, although the IDF ended things on an up note on the Sinai front, and both sides acquitted themselves fairly well (The Egyptians better than anyone in the West expected, the Israelis not really quite as well as expected) the great power meddling in the prep, middle, and end of the hostilities seriously interferes with any attempt to draw big lessons about the quality of the forces on either side.