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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-16-11 09:50 PM
Original message
More on Winsconsin
Brass tacks... to brass tacks...
The action is ongoing. The teachers are not going back to work for the rest of the week. There were also thirty thousand people on the streets TODAY. Now I want you, my dear reader, to read that again. There were ThIRTY THOUSAND people on the streets today. This is quite possibly the largest action in a generation.
Now historically, from what people are telling Ed Shultz, this is the most people have seen in over fifty years. This is not a minor thing. This is the tip of the spear where WORKERS start to fight back. This is the tip. Now I must add, as a historian I have read on the Haymarket Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
I have also read on the ten and eight hour movements.
http://www.berwickacademy.org/millgirls/ten_hour.htm
and the eight hour a day movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day
I know that this just as big as those. I also know that workers are starting to realize that if we do not fight back, we will be working from dawn to dusk, and children will go back to the factories. Nothing will stop the return of indentured servitude and slavery. We are, I am not kidding, at a point where we fight back... or all those gains from our forefathers will be taken away.
There is no right you have, unless you are willing to fight for it.
Workers, it is time to chose, what side are you on?
I will continue to blog as I learn more about this. But just like we saw history last week in Egypt, we are watching the most important fight of organized labor in the modern United States. So the time to stand on the sidelines is very much over.
Oh and to our elected leaders in DC... better figure this out fast. Or you too will be left in the dust when it settles.
http://nadinbrzezinski.posterous.com/more-on-winsconsin
Yes mods that is my material
Everything she knows about Haymarket she learned on Wiki. Wow!!
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nadin also felt a great disturbance in the force (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x435241) . Either that or she put new batteries in her "toy".
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nadin also felt a great disturbance in the force (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x435241) . Either that or she put new batteries in her "toy".
Playing mob rioter on the computer doesn't take up enough of her time :)
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She can't spell Wisconsin or Madison correctly. :banghead:
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-16-11 09:09 PM
Original message 30K thousand people at Madisson... read that again
30K people...
People who did not go home, people who slept in the State Rotunda.... it HAS started folks... we are now at the leading edge of this.
It was edited since, but it was captured by SR.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x433460
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-16-11 10:52 PM
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2. Wow
K&R!
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-16-11 10:53 PM
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3. Steve let me ask you Updated at 1:27 AM
where do we send help? You are there.
Did they move Omaha, did they move Steve or is Nadin really that DUmb?
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Did they move Omaha, did they move Steve or is Nadin really that DUmb?
I'll take "That Dumb" for $1000, Alex.
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She can't spell Wisconsin or Madison correctly. :banghead:
It was edited since, but it was captured by SR.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x433460
I saw that. Ha! Also, she put 30k thousand in the subject of one of her screeds. People told her that equals 3 million, but know-it-all Nadin dismissed those responses as attacks :mental:
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She can't spell Wisconsin or Madison correctly.
On, Winsconsin! The portly Ms. Abbott is the rare individual who can cause a word's spelling to go awry somewhere between "copy" and "paste".
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The bill, which also bans collective bargaining rights for teachers, requires educators to contribute 5.8 percent to their pensions and 12.6 percent to their health care. Currently, educators pay 0.2 percent for their pensions and 4 to 6 percent of their health care costs.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/17/teachers-march-wisconsin-capitol-senate-moves-curtail-union-rights/#ixzz1EFBni4H9
What????!!!!! Those bastards!!!
:whatever:
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Doing a poor job teaching children for 9 months a year does not entitle you to become a millionaire.
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That was some funny shit there about Omaha. :lmao:
ThIRTY THOUSAND people on the streets today. This is quite possibly the largest action in a generation.
Pffff, the Teaparty outdid that several times over in DC, twice. People had to travel a long way, too.
The more I hear and think about the highschool and even younger kids being yanked out of school by their teachers and sent to rabble rouse with them, the more it makes my blood boil. WTF is going on here? Coupla soundbites on Rush showed they didn't even know why they were there, (or who or what they were, they were sooooo stupid). Is all this OK with all the parents? I just can't believe how outrageous this is.
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That was some funny shit there about Omaha. :lmao:
Pffff, the Teaparty outdid that several times over in DC, twice. People had to travel a long way, too.
The more I hear and think about the highschool and even younger kids being yanked out of school by their teachers and sent to rabble rouse with them, the more it makes my blood boil. WTF is going on here? Coupla soundbites on Rush showed they didn't even know why they were there, (or who or what they were, they were sooooo stupid). Is all this OK with all the parents? I just can't believe how outrageous this is.
H5 and amen Karin. I'd be raising holy hell if I were a parent in the district(s).
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While out on strike the state should call it UNPAID LEAVE.
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We got anybody up there? I just heard they're busing in people from out of state! The DNC and ObieOne are callin' for this!
Sure would be nice to have pics of the buses!
If I could afford it, I'd go to counter protest! Out of staters have no knife in this fight! Go back home SEIU, ya ****in' thugs!
ETA:
The Governor should fire all these asshats just like Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers! He's not asking anything extraordinary here at all! The private sector doesn't get bennies like this!
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While out on strike the state should call it UNPAID LEAVE.
If they can prove they were there, I don't see why not.
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While out on strike the state should call it UNPAID LEAVE take a page from the Gipper's play book: Call it "Termination for Cause".
fixt, sir. :II:
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That was some funny shit there about Omaha. :lmao:
Pffff, the Teaparty outdid that several times over in DC, twice. People had to travel a long way, too.
The more I hear and think about the highschool and even younger kids being yanked out of school by their teachers and sent to rabble rouse with them, the more it makes my blood boil. WTF is going on here? Coupla soundbites on Rush showed they didn't even know why they were there, (or who or what they were, they were sooooo stupid). Is all this OK with all the parents? I just can't believe how outrageous this is.
The unions have buses sending people to Madison. Of course, it's not like I had to put that in here or anything. We know how the union thugs work.
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I think I found a picture of Nadin at one of those topless protests. Don't worry, no boobies are present in this picture.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-16-11 09:50 PM
Original message
I will continue to blog as I learn more about this. But just like we saw history last week in Egypt, we are watching the most important fight of organized labor in the modern United States. So the time to stand on the sidelines is very much over.
Oh and to our elected leaders in DC... better figure this out fast. Or you too will be left in the dust when it settles.
:orly: ::)
What a DUmmie.
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Egypt will not happen in Madison... unless all of the protesters are bussed in.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-16-11 09:50 PM
Original message
I will continue to blog as I learn more about this. But just like we saw history last week in Egypt, we are watching the most important fight of organized labor in the modern United States. So the time to stand on the sidelines is very much over.
Oh and to our elected leaders in DC... better figure this out fast. Or you too will be left in the dust when it settles.
Ya know Nada, I think ya might be right on this one, tho not in the outcome ya think, stooooopid!
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I'm gonna post a conversation I'm having with a so-called "academic" that so-called graduated from Memphis and is a so-called professor:
A midwest governor angering organized labor. Thank god for Scott Walker.
Asking them to contribute a FRACTION to their own healthcare and retirement. Oh THE HORROR!
It's either that or fire people. The state can't print their own money and, Constitutionally, they HAVE to balance their budget. What is YOUR Communistic f'n plan? Tax the hell out of the rich? They're taxed to death already. You DO know that the public jobs are PAID for by the private sector's taxes, right? You DO realize that once the private companies pack up and leave, they will suffer even more, right?
Never f'n mind. Of course you don't. You're an academic. Idiots like you are what fuked up Detroit. Idiots like you are trying to turn the entire NATION into Detroit. High taxation kills incentive which produces less revenue that leads to less funding for the public sector.
....but there's no "educating" a career academic. Their brains are already f'n scrambled.
As usual, you and reality have never met. A state worker making $45000 per year is being asked to take a hit to their pay to the tune of about $4000 per year. That is on top of the $100MM state workers already conceded in recent years.
Got a link to back that up, Josef?
BTW, I contribute a HELLUVA lot more when you add up health insurance, dental, in-case-this-****-happens vision, and my 401K, and my retirement isn't NEARLY as attractive as theirs. If I live in Wisconsin, as a private citizen, I also have to pick up THEIR benefits as well?
SCREW THAT.
As usual, you and reality have never met. A state worker making $45000 per year is being asked to take a hit to their pay to the tune of about $4000 per year. That is on top of the $100MM state workers already conceded in recent years.
Got a link to back that up, Josef?
BTW, I contribute a HELLUVA lot more when you add up health insurance, dental, in-case-this-****-happens vision, and my 401K, and my retirement isn't NEARLY as attractive as theirs. If I live in Wisconsin, as a private citizen, I also have to pick up THEIR benefits as well?
SCREW THAT.
Damn teachers. They're just raking it in, aren't they?
45K for 9 months of work, with free healthcare, dental, vision, and retirement?
Yeah, I'd say they were.
BTW, that 45K is bullsh1t. My best friend has been a teacher in the CCBOE for only 4 years and is making 55K....in GEORGIA. After only 4 years. At 55K. In GEORGIA.
Average state worker in Wisconsin makes just over $48K. Like I said, they're really raking it in.
That's a big f'n average. I'm assuming you know what "average" means.
BTW, you never told us how you, in all your "experience", would have dealt with this financial crisis in Wisconsin. How are they to balance the budget? I'd really like to know this. Come on. Let's have a dialogue. Tell us, with all your wisdom, how they get out of their situation. How Illinois gets out of theirs. How California gets out of theirs. How New Yo....well, you get the picture.
That's a big f'n average. I'm assuming you know what "average" means.
BTW, you never told us how you, in all your "experience", would have dealt with this financial crisis in Wisconsin. How are they to balance the budget? I'd really like to know this. Come on. Let's have a dialogue. Tell us, with all your wisdom, how they get out of their situation. How Illinois gets out of theirs. How California gets out of theirs. How New Yo....well, you get the picture.
It is not a "big f'n average" given that the state hires many degreed workers. Anyone with a functional brain would know that, but that excludes you.
As for how to fix Wisconsin's woes, that would take a lot of time and information to address; but I know that I wouldn't start with middle-class state workers and an attempt to bust their unions which does nothing to solve the looming crisis.
You claim to be some economic genius, fk that, I'm not letting you punt. Tell us what you'd do. ..and yes, 48K IS a high average.
Any of you liberal ***** lurkers wanna answer the question? This "academic" doesn't seem to be able to.
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This guy is a lyin' cocksucker! Ask him what he makes! Also, the Governor is only askin' them to pay one half of what those of us in the private sector already pay! What does he have to say about that????
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My husband makes less than $48K a year and pays more than 12% out of his salary for our health insurance & retirement plan. Wisconsin public workers are spoiled little babies.
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nadin also felt a great disturbance in the force (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x435241) . Either that or she put new batteries in her "toy".
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of moonbats suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly deleted."
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You're not letting me? How funny. You're such an idiot. And no, 48K isn't high for an educated workforce. One thing I sure wouldn't do is sign $150MM in tax breaks if facing a large looming budget deficit.
48K isn't for an educated workforce, you dolt. By your OWN admission, it's the AVERAGE pay for state workers and yes, when you include groundsmen, janitors, security guards, etc., it IS high. As for the tax breaks, link? If it's true, read above. Tax breaks stimulate an economy.
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My husband makes less than $48K a year and pays more than 12% out of his salary for our health insurance & retirement plan. Wisconsin public workers are spoiled little babies.
Ive never heard of anyone in the private sector gettin' their retirement paid by an employer! When I worked for HD, they would match what I put in, but only to a certain dollar figure, otherwise, it was all my money! These pricks are payin' what, 5%? And now, they wanna stop the state's business because they have to pay what the rest of us pay?????
I hope he sends the national Guard after these ****s, instead of usin' 'em for replacements after they left the state in trouble because they have left their jobs!
There's another big ****in' lie! The MSM is all over this sayin' he is employing the NG in order to slap down protesters! If only! He called 'em out just in case the state couldn't operate if they left their jobs!
Unions in the public sector need banned completely! How is it legal to hold the gubmint hostage over disagreements with your boss??????????? We pay their ****in' wages! We're their boss! Fire 'em all!
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This guy is a lyin' cocksucker! Ask him what he makes! Also, the Governor is only askin' them to pay one half of what those of us in the private sector already pay! What does he have to say about that????
Meh..put the feelers out - engage the private industry educational agencies - throw the public sector teachers and union administrative monies at the private sector teachers. Outlaw teachers unions - let the current public teacher parasites COMPETE for their now private sector jobs.
Watch the student's test scores explode into the stratosphere and the cost of education drop by 40%.
Next up - arrest and prosecute the teacher union heads as criminals under the RICO act. Then throw them in prison - REAL prison, in a cell with a 450 pound child molester!
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Meh..put the feelers out - engage the private industry educational agencies - throw the public sector teachers and union administrative monies at the private sector teachers. Outlaw teachers unions - let the current public teacher parasites COMPETE for their now private sector jobs.
Watch the student's test scores explode into the stratosphere and the cost of education drop by 40%.
Next up - arrest and prosecute the teacher union heads as criminals under the RICO act. Then throw them in prison - REAL prison, in a cell with a 450 pound child molester!
You sure we weren't separated at birth? ^5!!!!
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I hope he sends the national Guard after these ****s, instead of usin' 'em for replacements after they left the state in trouble because they have left their jobs!
That's some bullshit talking point by the left. He was getting the WARNG prepared so they can do the work of the rioting protesters. There is NOTHING the people protesting can do that the ARNG can't do. Whether it's finance, police, engineering, or whatever, the ARNG has the resources.
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You sure we weren't separated at birth? ^5!!!!
I could only be so lucky..I'm traveling back to Idaho this summer to be with mom in Idiot Flats (Idaho Falls) ...you're gonna get a very big drunk-n-feed!
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These chuckle heads never cease to amaze me with their brazenly reckless behavior. Taking children entrusted to their care out of school to bring them downtown in the Capitol to attend a street mob protest? WTF are they thinking???!!!
Here in New York, in my district if there is to be a scheduled field trip I am sent a permission slip to sign and return which explicitly outlines all the pertinent details and limitations of the trip. This is always followed up by a personal phone call from the teacher to me or my wife to verify. If I say no, my kid don't go!
God help them if they ever take a child of mine somewhere behind my back like that. I would be cramming a roomful of New York lawyers down their throats so effing fast they wouldn't have time to gag!
On a lighter note though, I did hear today that the Governor of Wisconsin will be demanding the appropriate written documentation verifying medical services sought in the event any teachers have claimed a sick day to run off and frolic in the streets.
I say fire the whole rotten lot ala Ronald Reagan!
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On a lighter note though, I did hear today that the Governor of Wisconsin will be demanding the appropriate written documentation verifying medical services sought in the event any teachers have claimed a sick day to run off and frolic in the streets.
Good. I told my husband last night that Gov. Walker should demand to see doctor notes for all of these sudden illnesses.
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Good. I told my husband last night that Gov. Walker should demand to see doctor notes for all of these sudden illnesses.
Remember when education used to be about our children?
Whoa, what a concept! :stupidpeople:
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Good. I told my husband last night that Gov. Walker should demand to see doctor notes for all of these sudden illnesses.
Every labor union worth its salt has a few crooked doctors on retainer to help defraud workers' comp. You can bet they'll be churning out bogus notes for these deadbeats.
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Every labor union worth its salt has a few crooked doctors on retainer to help defraud workers' comp. You can bet they'll be churning out bogus notes for these deadbeats.
I dunno, with ScareCare bein' so popular among the Docs, they might find themselves lacking!
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I wish you guys and gals could see the Memphis Tigers political board, but it's hidden from guests. I'm too lazy to bring over anymore of this moron's posts.
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I wish you guys and gals could see the Memphis Tigers political board, but it's hidden from guests. I'm too lazy to bring over anymore of this moron's posts.
Well, how 'bout givin' us a hint?
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Yes, do tell...
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FreeBorn, where in the PRNY are you located? PM me.
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While out on strike the state should call it UNPAID LEAVE.
In a beagle rush but just to add. Unpaid leave = break in service = loss of seniority. Put that in yer pipe an smoke it. Strike a little longer go ahead, make my collective bargaining you jackwagons.
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And what about the Democrat state senators who ran away to a fancy resort in Illinois, so as to prevent a quorum, and hence a vote?
Since they refuse to show up, is there some mechanism by which their seats can be declared vacant, and put up for election again?
I really don't know.
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Freeborn said
I say fire the whole rotten lot ala Ronald Reagan!
Amen to that! The more I see this and think about it, the more my blood boils. Furthermore, if they don't have permission slips for a "field trip" charge them with kidnapping.
Job abandonment? What if I suddently decided, "gee this is too much stress. I think I'll hit the bars instead of tackling this big problem." Fired immediately with no good reference either.
They quoted some dingbat on the radio news this morning referring to the Gov: "He's taking away our voice, and he's taking away ALL OUR RIGHTS!!!!!!" No, your voice is being heard just fine, on national news no less, and hyperbole concerning ALL YOUR RIGHTS will only make people become disgusted with you and your ilk.
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And what about the Democrat state senators who ran away to a fancy resort in Illinois, so as to prevent a quorum, and hence a vote?
Since they refuse to show up, is there some mechanism by which their seats can be declared vacant, and put up for election again?
I really don't know.
I don't know about that, but there are some screwy laws for what the quorum is required for.
Article VIII, SECTION 8 (Vote on fiscal bills; quorum)
On the passage in either house of the legislature of any law which imposes, continues or renews a tax, or creates a debt or charge, or makes, continues or renews an appropriation of public or trust money, or releases, discharges or commutes a claim or demand of the state, the question shall be taken by yeas and nays, which shall be duly entered on the journal; and three-fifths of all the members elected to such house shall in all such cases be required to constitute a quorum therein.
Which apparently means, as the person who passed this along to the person who passed this along to me notes, that all the Wisconsin Senate has to do is separate out the portion of the budget bill that involves collective bargaining, pass that with a simple majority, and lo! Problem solved, and no more excuses for Wisconsin Senate Democrats to hide like little scared bunnies.
Redstate (http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/02/17/wi-showdown-democrats-not-needed-for-regular-business/)
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Oh, I love this:
It is not a "big f'n average" given that the state hires many degreed workers. Anyone with a functional brain would know that, but that excludes you.
Aside from the fact that the private sector hires many degreed workers as well, what the heck does that have to do with anything? Aside from teaching someone to be angry and ugly, how the hell does a degree in Wimmins Studies benefit the community?
Cindie
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Oh, I love this:
Aside from the fact that the private sector hires many degreed workers as well, what the heck does that have to do with anything? Aside from teaching someone to be angry and ugly, how the hell does a degree in Wimmins Studies benefit the community?
Cindie
They teach 'em how to use a shovel handle for a dildo....the ones standing by the highway aren't even that bright.
....and the new 'stand alone' shovel is going to take all their jobs.
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They teach 'em how to use a shovel handle for a dildo....the ones standing by the highway aren't even that bright.
....and the new 'stand alone' shovel is going to take all their jobs.
Ewwwww!!! Icky!!!
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Article VIII, SECTION 8 (Vote on fiscal bills; quorum)
On the passage in either house of the legislature of any law which imposes, continues or renews a tax, or creates a debt or charge, or makes, continues or renews an appropriation of public or trust money, or releases, discharges or commutes a claim or demand of the state, the question shall be taken by yeas and nays, which shall be duly entered on the journal; and three-fifths of all the members elected to such house shall in all such cases be required to constitute a quorum therein.
Which apparently means, as the person who passed this along to the person who passed this along to me notes, that all the Wisconsin Senate has to do is separate out the portion of the budget bill that involves collective bargaining, pass that with a simple majority, and lo! Problem solved, and no more excuses for Wisconsin Senate Democrats to hide like little scared bunnies.
Ah, but there lies the dilemma. The Governor wants to end collective bargaining over healthcare and pensions and just use it for wages unless approved by voters. Lose the collective crap, and the unions can still hold the state hostage over their benefits. That defeats the purpose! This is actually what they're protesting. They want their cake, and eat it too!
Fire 'em all! If this had happened in the summer, I have no doubt there would be a lot of teachers headin' to the unemployment line! Right now, it would wreak havoc in the school system! Kinda makes me wonder why he didn't wait. Maybe their budget has to be passed, unlike how our congress critters can put it off for an entire ****in' year and then play craps with each other when it becomes a "shut down" moment!!!!
The Gov and the Repubs need to stick to their guns! Last I heard, he sent the State Police to bring one of 'em back in order to have the bodies needed! I like this Walker!!! He's my kinda guy!
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Every labor union worth its salt has a few crooked doctors on retainer to help defraud workers' comp. You can bet they'll be churning out bogus notes for these deadbeats.
http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/02/fake-doctors-notes-being-handed-out-at-wisconsin-gov-union-rally/
If you read the script, and understand the script, anyone can do this.
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http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/02/fake-doctors-notes-being-handed-out-at-wisconsin-gov-union-rally/
If you read the script, and understand the script, anyone can do this.
The DUmp (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x456019) has a thread celebrating the heroic doctors that are forging notes for teachers. I wonder how many of those doctors are billing the insurance companies for an office call.
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I wonder how many of those doctors are billing the insurance companies for an office call.
All of them. These are crooked doctors who accept a retainer from the union to support workers' comp fraud. These bogus notes are small potatoes.
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My husband makes less than $48K a year and pays more than 12% out of his salary for our health insurance & retirement plan. Wisconsin public workers are spoiled little babies.
I don't even make half that!! I am not sure what the percentage of what is taking out for health, retirement etc...
They are doing something different this year, bundling stuff together(not sure)
but Jess you are right, they are whining babies in Wisconsin. When one thinks of how many people are out of jobs, they sound pretty selfish too!!
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All of them. These are crooked doctors who accept a retainer from the union to support workers' comp fraud. These bogus notes are small potatoes.
These bogus notes could also be grounds for getting their certifications revoked for insurance fraud. Is there a legal way to subpeona the insurance companies records and determine which doctors saw which teachers? A dozen doctors seeing 2400 patients in a day isn't possible.
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These bogus notes could also be grounds for getting their certifications revoked for insurance fraud. Is there a legal way to subpeona the insurance companies records and determine which doctors saw which teachers? A dozen doctors seeing 2400 patients in a day isn't possible.
That is if the doctors bill for their signatures. The school administrations should beeping the notes in the personnel records, and the signatures would be available, but I'd bet a subpoena would be required.
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That is if the doctors bill for their signatures. The school administrations should beeping the notes in the personnel records, and the signatures would be available, but I'd bet a subpoena would be required.
Well, then, if the docs aren't actually signing these notes, then you've got evidence of fraud on the part of the teacher. Can you say "Termination for Cause"?
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These bogus notes could also be grounds for getting their certifications revoked for insurance fraud. Is there a legal way to subpeona the insurance companies records and determine which doctors saw which teachers? A dozen doctors seeing 2400 patients in a day isn't possible.
Never happen. The jug-eared muslim has publicly put the full majesty of the federal government on the side of the rioters. No one will dare prosecute them, or punish them in any way. I have observed union pickets throwing roofing nails undereneath moving vehicles, in front of sheriff's deputies and city police. Not one of the thugs was ever arrested or impeded in any way. Union thugs have a green light for anything short of murder, because so many law enforcement folks see them as union brothers. I have a sensitive spot for that, because way back in the day, when to me a dollar looked as big as a wagon wheel, I had to buy four new tires with no idea how long it would take me to pay off.
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Never happen. The jug-eared muslim has publicly put the full majesty of the federal government on the side of the rioters. No one will dare prosecute them, or punish them in any way. I have observed union pickets throwing roofing nails undereneath moving vehicles, in front of sheriff's deputies and city police. Not one of the thugs was ever arrested or impeded in any way. Union thugs have a green light for anything short of murder, because so many law enforcement folks see them as union brothers. I have a sensitive spot for that, because way back in the day, when to me a dollar looked as big as a wagon wheel, I had to buy four new tires with no idea how long it would take me to pay off.
My dad drove truck for way over 30 years and back in '69' or '70, the Teamsters went on strike while he was out of town. He just tried like hell to get home durin' the strike, and someone started takin' pot shots at his truck with a rifle! He had 8 million dollars worth of unstamped quarters headed to the Denver Mint!
We ended up havin' to go pick him up as it was too dangerous for him to drive!
This was back in the Hoffa days, and when they went on strike, you shut the truck down right where ya sat, or else!
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"I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of moonbats suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly deleted."
To bad none of them were on Alderaan when it went Tango Uniform