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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on February 13, 2011, 01:08:29 PM
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coti (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-12-11 11:21 PM
Original message
Poll question: Have you become more or less "radicalized" since Obama took office?
Edited on Sat Feb-12-11 11:22 PM by coti
Talking with my father a few days ago I noted that, during ChimpCo's ridiculous, 8-year reign, I considered myself a moderate. A moderate keeping faith in the cyclical/counterbalancing nature of politics that, once the Democrats took power, would come full circle and iron out most of our country's misgivings up to that point.
But, particularly with regard to domestic economic and political policy, very little to no reversal has occurred since 2008. Since Obama took power- IMHO, of course, as the creator of this poll- my belief that our country is heading in the wrong direction (corporatism) has only strengthened, mostly because the Democrats have not only done nothing to stop it but contributed to the trend.
The phenomenon most responsible for our continued inability to address our country's problems legislatively is the influence of big/corporate money over the legislative process AND the media. These influences have been enhanced, and even validated in many instances, by and under the Obama Administration- again, in my opinion.
My response to this realization has been a feeling of increased urgency that something must be done to ensure that the best interest of "The People" will reassert its control over our federal government, as well as the states. That increased urgency, I imagine, could be called "radicalization."
In my mind, the response noted above has led to the belief that civil disobedience, as Chris Hedges has advocated for- and only civil disobedience, though directly focused at machinations of power, and effective- may be the only recourse of the common but knowledgable people in the United States.
Given all that said, do you believe yourself more or less "radicalized" since Obama took office? Or no change? Or am I totally off-base in my assessment?
Poll result (86 votes)
Yes, I feel more radicalized since Obama took office. (58 votes, 67%) Vote
No, I feel no such change in my feelings about U.S. policy. (6 votes, 7%) Vote
Actually, I feel less radicalized since Obama took office. (8 votes, 9%) Vote
This poll is totally off-base in its assessment of the facts of the last two years and is based on a false premise, and I feel no change or less radicalization since Chimpy. (10 votes, 12%) Vote
Ummm....what the hell? (4 votes, 5%) Vote
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x406242
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-12-11 11:23 PM
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1. I agree with you completely...
And I am distinctly more radicalized.
I think your thoughts are right on the money.
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-12-11 11:31 PM
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5. I don't think what you are saying would work, given how few agree with you.
For "something to be done," you need more than the tiny percentage of Americans that disapprove of Obama from the left. You really need a majority.
But if you had a majority of people who disapproved of Obama from the left, the next President would be further to the left.
Logic and Dummies, never the twain shall meet.
coti (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-13-11 12:18 AM
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18. Obama seems to agree, in much the same vein as you, that it is useless to try in light of
the influence of right-wing, big-money media in our culture. Namely, Fox News.
But don't you think that people such as me and Hedges have considered exactly that? Don't you think that that is exactly how we came to realize this?
What is this suggestion of civil disobedience other than a remedy of last resort?
Obama's solution- cooperating just slightly less so with the plutocracy- merely slows the march toward 3rd-World nationhood.
So what is the in-between solution?
In other words, what is YOUR solution? What other chance for saving our country for future generations is there, given that influence?
We have to find a way to get our message out that is in line with our principles, but also directly demonstrative of the fundamental flaws lying within our governance today.
Fox News reaches fewer people than the other MSM combined, but they wield more influence somehow.
tularetom (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-12-11 11:36 PM
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6. Radicalized is the only option
The election and subsequent mediocre performance of President Obama has awakened a lot of people to the fact that it really doesn't matter who we elect as president, the same group of plutocrats will always be pulling the strings.
I was looking forward to a nice mellow old age when I could just chuckle at the radical ideas of my grandchildren. Instead I'm way more pissed off than they are about what is going on in Amurka.
Obama has to improve a hellovalot just to see mediocrity from below.
Skittles (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-12-11 11:41 PM
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8. my opinion
is Obama is the first "Democrat" to make it perfectly clear to us we live in a PLUTOCRACY - simply put, it has never been more evident
Still waiting for that Skittles shitting unicorn?
PassingFair (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-13-11 12:07 AM
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16. Less radicalized...it's harder to rail against your OWN SIDE.
I've pretty much quit being a big D democrat.
I stopped going to local meetings.
I stopped donating except to individual candidates.
Our state conventions are this weekend, and for the
first time in many years, I'm not going.
Pretty much disheartened by our "win".
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-13-11 12:11 AM
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17. Yes but to be fair, it would have happened during the Clinton years
had I not been a single mom with a full class load and a full time job.
Stooooopid Beth is only radical in her free time.
Raksha (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-13-11 12:26 AM
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22. I'm definitely more radicalized.
I never had any faith in the Republican Party to lose, although the 8-year-long catastrophe of the Bush administration was beyond my worst nightmares. But for the Obama administration to not only shield the war criminals of the previous administration, but to continue the Bush policies and even expand them, has destroyed my faith in the Democratic Party. Not to mention American so-called "democracy."
Yeah, Obama has committed the same "war crimes" as President Bush, but you DUmmies ignore that.
veganlush (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-13-11 12:59 AM
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29. I think Obama is doing what he has to
...to secure a second term. After that< i think the progressive agenda will begin to flourish.
Really? He's helping to ensure more conservatives win in congress in 2012. He won't get anything done if he's re-elected.
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Obama has certainly widened the deficit gap.
Obama has widened the unemployment gap.
Obama has widened the foreign policy gap.
Obama has widened the gap in the number of liberals and number of conservatives.
Obama has widened the gap between rich and poor.
The man has a talent.
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Oh ffs will these idiots ever stop bitching and crying?
Lurking DUmmies here is a God damn clue for you...your "saviour" O has done more in two years to destroy the future of this country then any person before him has...you America hating mother****ers should be begging to suck his dick but since no one has driven up with keys to a mansion and wealth untold you are still miserable.
God you pieces of shit about put a person over the edge.
In the country you wish for you worthless idiots would be buried in a ditch by now...that is what you ilk has always done when in power. :bird:
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So if being "radicalized" as they define it is good then explain the disdain towards the Tea Party protesters? by definition our fighting against the ideas of those currently in Government should be a good thing.
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So if being "radicalized" as they define it is good then explain the disdain towards the Tea Party protesters? by definition our fighting against the ideas of those currently in Government should be a good thing.
You got me.
The primitives have undefined the usual meanings of words pertaining to ideology.
For example, a "right-winger" is no longer a person adhering to the right side of the political spectrum; a "right-winger" now is anyone the primitives don't like, no matter the person's ideology.
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You got me.
The primitives have undefined the usual meanings of words pertaining to ideology.
For example, a "right-winger" is no longer a person adhering to the right side of the political spectrum; a "right-winger" now is anyone the primitives don't like, no matter the person's ideology.
frank, I keep thinking they dream of a revolution because they have way too much time on their hands and they're bored.
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frank, I keep thinking they dream of a revolution because they have way too much time on their hands and they're bored.
Nah, they just want to loot stores.
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frank, I keep thinking they dream of a revolution because they have way too much time on their hands and they're bored.
But the primitives are lazy, too.
They want other people to do the revolution.
And other people did, in 1994, 2000, and 2010, upsetting the Old Order.
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Nah, they just want to loot stores.
:lmao:
But the primitives are lazy, too.
They want other people to do the revolution.
And other people did, in 1994, 2000, and 2010, upsetting the Old Order.
And those were revolutions and as usual the left is on the wrong side of history.
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-12-11 11:23 PM
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1. I agree with you completely...
And I am distinctly more radicalized.
I think your thoughts are right on the money.
Recommended.
Well I guess I should feel privileged ya didn't wright some piece of garbage poem to tell us just how radical ya are, but if this is how ya feel Piggy, take up arms and hit the ****in' street!
We'll be waitin'!
Traitorous bastards!
Obama has certainly widened the deficit gap.
Obama has widened the unemployment gap.
Obama has widened the foreign policy gap.
Obama has widened the gap in the number of liberals and number of conservatives.
Obama has widened the gap between rich and poor.
The man has a talent.
You forgot one!
He's done more to destroy race relations in this country than any other human being on earth!
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You forgot one!
He's done more to destroy race relations in this country than any other human being on earth!
You sir are correct!
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You sir are correct!
I know, ain't it the pits?
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I know, ain't it the pits?
Modest, too. :rotf: