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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on February 11, 2011, 11:03:33 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x395070
Oh my.
That's quite the Freudian slip there, the way the primitive spelled Mubarak.
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:19 AM
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Mubarack gone. What's next?
Mubarack is out, but who's in? Where's the government of Egypt going to go next. Soon, the masses of people will leave the streets, but will there be real reform? That remains to be seen.
quinnox (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:21 AM
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1. Its none of my concern
Maybe we can get this news to drop off the front page soon, I'm tired of hearing about this.
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:26 AM
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4. You live in the USA?
You pay taxes?
It is of your concern. Mubarak was our nation's dictator. He was propped up by the USA. Your taxes went to pay him, buy his military, and keep his stooges in the nice life.
He was almost an extension of our government, like a governor in a colony in the old fashioned imperial.colonial days of the European countries going around forming colonies in far off lands.
This is a change in the American Empire, and may signify its end. This could be the first piece to leave the fold.
The democracy thing could catch on.
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:29 AM
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5. Democracy is far from assured in Egypt.
The military still runs the place. That hasn't changed.
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:31 AM
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6. No, the interior ministry used to run the place.
They were the ones with the police who attacked the protesters on the first day of this. The military in Egypt is a conscripted one, so it's filled with normal people, not just Mubarak cronies.
That said, in no way is it clear whether or not there will be some type of military dictatorship.
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:34 AM
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10. Not much at all is really clear, except that Mubarack is out.
That may be important, or it may not. Symbolically, it's certainly important, and will doubtless get the people off the streets. What happens after that is up in the air.
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:23 AM
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2. That's what I'm worried about too.
I don't like the whole deal of the Armed forces controlling things, because it puts civilian authority below that of the military, and that's no good way to start a democracy.
Our revolution, though it eventually ended up creating an empire, was headed by a civilian body making decisions, not just a military organization.
The military is an inherently undemocratic thing. It is based upon taking orders from above, or discipline. Not like democracy, which is based upon a healthy disrespect of authority and is undisciplined.
Let's hope some civilians try to get hold of that military, or this will not end well.
It's a given it won't end well.
The British were the only ones since the pharoahs who could competently run the place.
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:32 AM
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7. Yup. The Egyptian military is still in control of Egypt.
Unless that changes, it's doubtful that a dramatic shift will occur. And I don't see a good path for the military to give up its power. The people of Egypt may have been able to oust Mubarack, with the tacit cooperation of the military, but they'll have a harder time ousting military control.
Uh-huh. Yeppers.
Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-11-11 11:24 AM
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3. Betcha the US military NOW gets involved
Solidarity of military or something like that.
I hope not, but I can certainly envision it, especially when the Egyptian military depends on US money.
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The military in Egypt is a conscripted one, so it's filled with normal people, not just Mubarak cronies.
And that is a big difference between them and us. Our military is mostly people that feel an allegiance to country and Constitution more than they do to a person.
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I forgot to look while I was over there on Skins's island.
Has Nadine weighed in yet, on this latest turn of events?
Anybody know?
Of course, nobody cares, but someone might know.
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DUmmie said, "This is a change in the American Empire, and may signify its end. This could be the first piece to leave the fold.
The democracy thing could catch on."
There's a double edge sword in that for the DUmmies...the crumbling of the American empire, which they want, and democracy spreading... BUSH will get credit for both... :lmao:
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I forgot to look while I was over there on Skins's island.
Has Nadine weighed in yet, on this latest turn of events?
Anybody know?
Of course, nobody cares, but someone might know.
She's busy checking the script. She dare not be disturbed.
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She's busy checking the script. She dare not be disturbed.
The script is in Greek.
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Aside from treating their women like livestock, these smelly Egyptian muslims aren't too different from the freeloading rabble who elected the jug-eared Kenyan. The main difference is that they expect their Skittles to come out of a camel, and they don't know whose stash will pay all their bills.
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Aside from treating their women like livestock, these smelly Egyptian muslims aren't too different from the freeloading rabble who elected the jug-eared Kenyan. The main difference is that they expect their Skittles to come out of a camel, and they don't know whose stash will pay all their bills.
Exactly! They want to sit on their collective ass and not have to contribute. They want to do the same thing the "Kenyan" wants to do. Take away the wealth from those that earned it and give away it to those who sit on their ass!
This will not end well since the Military actually does something to "earn" their living. If I'm not mistaken , isn't Egypt the most powerful military wise, in the Middle East? Wonder how they got that way? It wasn't from sendin' suicide bombers into other countries!
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The army ran Egypt before and now still runs it. Meet the old boss is the old boss. Figurehead changed. Obama is going to be pushing the army to accept the muslim brotherhood in great percentage to the government. If Obama does it right he will get the MB and the army to become one under MB rule and a new islamic theocracy.
That is this regime's end goal.