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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-11-11 10:53 AM
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The case for electric vehicles Updated at 9:29 AM
1) No gas (except the Volt)
2) No oil changes (about $150 a year using non-synthetic oil) *(every two years for the Volt)
3) No maintenance (plugs, belts fluids, etc) which saves about $2000 over three years.
4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold)
5) Peace and quite while driving
The negatives
Charging stations cost from $500 to $2000 depending on the manufacturer.
These is a lack of infrastructure to charge these vehicles even though carrying an extension plug will help if you are staying somewhere overnight.
Limited range.
We are in the infancy of the evolution of these vehicles. Hopefully, within 10 years, they will be affordable and readily available to all
Your commie 5 year plans for these cars won't work DUmmie. :whatever: BTW, where does bobo the hobo fit into this picture? Will there be free services for her to charge her car? What will happen to the buick?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x394828
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4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold)
Do they auto-generate their own charges? Last time I took physics, that broke the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics.
OOOOoooooohhh, you have to plug'em in. Hmm, Ok. Where does that energy come from?
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OK, but charging stations have to be powered.
The capacity for the electrical grid is not expanding.
If supply is stagnant but demand goes up the price goes up.
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OK, but charging stations have to be powered.
Don't confuse the DUmmy with facts!
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You will also look like a major douche bag in traffic.
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Most have a range of 100 miles at best...so when a hurricane is about to strike the coast and they tell you to get as far away as possible....that's gonna be a 100 miles or less.
I live 150 miles inland and after hurricane Hugo in 1989, I was without power for 3 weeks. Those electric cars going to work real well in cases of national emergencies.
The city of Charlotte NC has gotten money from the feds to build charging stations in town for electric cars. ...and pay the power bill for 2 years. After that, the local taxpayer is expected to pay the electric recharging cost...that shit's gonna go over like a lead balloon.
Oh yeah, forgot to tell ya....electricity come from a hole in the ground and the oil companies control them too.
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Just out of curiosity...
...how long would the heater in one of those things run?
I'm thinking of poor Bobo.
Maybe Dain is trying to kill her off by freezing her to death.
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Oh, haha! You have to row over and see how DainB fell flat on his face. All the common sense arguments here, plus some. Shows you why NOBODY is buying these POS's.
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After we've gone all electric and the DUmmies start their glorious revolution and the government wants to shut it down...click... and it's over.
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Just out of curiosity...
...how long would the heater in one of those things run?
I'm thinking of poor Bobo.
Maybe Dain is trying to kill her off by freezing her to death.
How long and far will they go with the AC cranked on high? Mythbusters did a show about using the AC on a regular, and the AC had no appreciable effect on the gas mileage.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-11-11 10:53 AM
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The case for electric vehicles Updated at 9:29 AM
4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold)
You forgot a couple of things, DUmbass:
1. The amount of energy expended to create the batteries (ie pollution).
2. The amount of energy expended to dispose/recycle the batteries (ie pollution).
3. The cost of a new battery once the old one dies off in about 5-8 years (ie ****ing steep).
4. The resulting damage and impact (ie pollution) if one of these nice, big batteries cooks off.
Seeing reality yet, DUmbass?
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OOOOoooooohhh, you have to plug'em in. Hmm, Ok. Where does that energy come from?
Obama's stash.
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Seeing reality yet, DUmbass?
Nope....they :jerkit: until they went blind.
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The case for electric vehicles Updated at 9:29 AM
1) No gas (except the Volt) Yep, these are COAL fueled vehicles. Yes these are power hogs. "he AC Level 2 charging mode specifies a nominal 220 V and up to 80 A supply, resulting in a 3.3 kW or 6.6 kW load in three hours. " Here is a good article on the trouble with charging the electric car. http://www.ecnmag.com/Articles/2011/02/Main-Circuit/Challenges-of-Charging-Plug-in-Electric-Hybrid-Vehicles/?et_cid=1067328&et_rid=45541318&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ecnmag.com%2fArticles%2f2011%2f02%2fMain-Circuit%2fChallenges-of-Charging-Plug-in-Electric-Hybrid-Vehicles%2f[/color]
2) No oil changes (about $150 a year using non-synthetic oil) *(every two years for the Volt)$150/year? 12K/yr 4 oil changes (like a DUmbass would ever chnage his oil regularly) $19.95 at a Jiffy Lube ea. $80/yr. The electric car will have lots of PM with unproven designs (ie unscheduled maintenance or breakdowns)
3) No maintenance (plugs, belts fluids, etc) which saves about $2000 over three years. More proof that a DUchebag and his welfare check are soon parted. Plugs go for 100K, serpentine belt replace at 75K, and oil is taken care of above so we have radiator and transmission flushes every10K.
4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold) COAL fired power for electric cars and do look at the transmission article.
5) Peace and quite while driving Mowing down of pedestrians too. Plus you can go like 35 miles if there is no headwind, hills, and optimal occupancy/load and temperature....and excellent batteries condition.
The negatives
Charging stations cost from $500 to $2000 depending on the manufacturer. Not really. Our electrical grid is not being upgraded because of draconian regulations and environmentalists totalitarianism.
These is a lack of infrastructure to charge these vehicles even though carrying an extension plug will help if you are staying somewhere overnight. See the link above. I would also like to say that our power generating capabilities has gone down in the last two years. 3-6 KWH (220VAC @ 80 AMPS for a Level 2 charger) to charge batteries is equivalent to adding 1-3 houses per EV to the grid.
Limited range. VERY LIMITED!
Batteries that need to be replaced at best every three years. That little change up goes for about $3k. Look at the $3k price drop the Prious has at year three in used car ads. The battery manufacturing is highly toxic and recycling them is not that efficient. The other thing is electric cars are useless when the temperature is below 40F. The batteries derate by 80%+ and charge times go up 10times. at that temperature. Oh and don't think about using that heater because you don't have one. Add in that transmission lines can't be built because of mother gia and her cultists.
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The DUmmies are living proof that the Koolaide comes in many, many flavors.
It took me all of 2 min to find the facts that Jukin posted (before I saw the post), so it's not like it's hard to find the PROBLEMS with electric cars.
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The maintenance this asshat posts is downright bull shit! I haven't replaced a serpentine belt since I have owned "Toots'" Jeep, and that has been 5 years! I do an oil change twice a year, it comes no where close to the expense this liar is harpin'! No heater? Yeah, they're goin' to sell like hotcakes up here where the temp is rarely above 40° for over 4 months!
I guess he/her maintenance is based on treatin' your vehicle like shit and lettin' it go to hell!
I'm still drivin' an '85 Ford F350, a '96 cop car, a 93 Subaru legacy wagon, and a 2003 Grand Cherokee! My maintenance bill last year consists of one battery, plugs for the cop car, and oil changes for all. I may have $250 in it for all 4 vehicles!
Dishonest Green Wienied DUmbass!
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God forbid that DC drive motor fail in someway not covered by warranty. DC motors are expensive to repair.
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I wonder how many blind people bobothehobo will run down if she traded in the skylark for one?
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You will also look like a major douche bag in traffic.
Ahhhh, but that's exactly why they want the Gub'mint to force everyone to drive one. DUmbshits look like douche bags in traffic, at home, at "work" :whatever: , pretty much wherever they are, and this is designed to level the playing field for them by making everyone else look like a douche bag, at least in this one setting.
Problem with that is that once you step out of your 'Tard CarTM, you go back to looking normal. A DUmbshit continues to look like a douche bag, mostly because they ARE douche bags.
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Ahhhh, but that's exactly why they want the Gub'mint to force everyone to drive one. DUmbshits look like douche bags in traffic, at home, at "work" :whatever: , pretty much wherever they are, and this is designed to level the playing field for them by making everyone else look like a douche bag, at least in this one setting.
Problem with that is that once you step out of your 'Tard CarTM, you go back to looking normal. A DUmbshit continues to look like a douche bag, mostly because they ARE douche bags.
True. I have too much taste in cars to drive any sort of "energy saving" vehicle. If car companies would make these cars look stylish and practical, I might buy one. Until then, no thank you. And if I wanted to die tomorrow, I would buy a "Smart" car. One of those pulled up next to me the other day and it was only half the length of my car. You probably could park two Smart Cars next to mine and finally be at the same length. It's just sad to see how many of these cars are in Las Vegas. Hertz rents them. Yuck.
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Ahhhh, but that's exactly why they want the Gub'mint to force everyone to drive one. DUmbshits look like douche bags in traffic, at home, at "work", pretty much wherever they are, and this is designed to level the playing field for them by making everyone else look like a douche bag, at least in this one setting.
Exactly the same motivation they have for trying to force everyone to wear those silly styrofoam bicycle crash helmets.
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This is not the sort of car I would feel comfortable with flipping the keys to my daughters. My oldest is 14 now but soon enough she will be driving and a parent worries.
So I had my doubts about these "smart cars" but came to find those engineer guys are some pretty smart fellers.
It seems that during development, because these cars are so small there was no room for airbags so they designed the whole car to blow up like a puffer fish in an accident.
Whoa! That's amazing. If bad finds my kid on the road I know she'll be O.K.
It might take three days to find her up in a tree two counties over but she'll be fine. Whew!
Still though, I want to know because I saw one of these cars in the Shriner Circus, how do they fit 50 sets of seat belts into one of these things?
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You want to see some DUmmie heads REALLY explode? Explain the entire lack of transmission/generation infrastructure and capability to them, and then innocently suggest that the generation problem at least can be resolved by the construction of, oh, 30 or 40 new nuclear power plants on the East Coast.
Hilarity ensues.
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That brings back memories.
Eight years ago, I saw the most frightening thing ever in my 20+ years of OTR trucking.
A Yugo with valid license plates and a current inspection sticker. :o
It was parked, but just the idea that it was STREET LEGAL gave me chills!
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The maintenance this asshat posts is downright bull shit! I haven't replaced a serpentine belt since I have owned "Toots'" Jeep, and that has been 5 years! I do an oil change twice a year, it comes no where close to the expense this liar is harpin'! No heater? Yeah, they're goin' to sell like hotcakes up here where the temp is rarely above 40° for over 4 months!
I guess he/her maintenance is based on treatin' your vehicle like shit and lettin' it go to hell!
I'm still drivin' an '85 Ford F350, a '96 cop car, a 93 Subaru legacy wagon, and a 2003 Grand Cherokee! My maintenance bill last year consists of one battery, plugs for the cop car, and oil changes for all. I may have $250 in it for all 4 vehicles!
Dishonest Green Wienied DUmbass!
I was wondering that myself.
I have an 80 Malibu, 88 F-250 Diesel, 02 Jeep Cherokee, 93 Buick Century, and my step-son has a 02 Trailblazer.
Between all of them, 18 oil changes, 3 sets of tires, 4 tune ups, 1 set of glow plugs, 2 serpentine belts, 5 transmission oil and filter changes, 3 transfer case oil changes, changed oil in 7 differentials, and rebuilt 1 transmission. All about $2,000, INCLUDING synthetic oil. Over half of that was the tires.
DUmbass couldn't change his finger from his ass to his mouth, much less oil in his car.
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You want to see some DUmmie heads REALLY explode? Explain the entire lack of transmission/generation infrastructure and capability to them, and then innocently suggest that the generation problem at least can be resolved by the construction of, oh, 30 or 40 new nuclear power plants on the East Coast.
Hilarity ensues.
Forget the nukes, construct 30-40 new COAL plants, and watch the reaction.
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You want to see some DUmmie heads REALLY explode? Explain the entire lack of transmission/generation infrastructure and capability to them, and then innocently suggest that the generation problem at least can be resolved by the construction of, oh, 30 or 40 new nuclear power plants on the East Coast.
Hilarity ensues.
My new Representative, Chris Gibson (R-NY 20) has suggested that one be built in the district. Not quite sure where, but somewhere on the banks of the Hudson River. Thing is, there's the GE research nukes on the banks of the Mohawk River, not too far from where I sit as I type this, and the US Navy has the nuke training facility a few miles north of that. I'm wondering if they could be harnessed to provide some sort of electricity to the grid . . .
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Two biggest downsides:
1. A battery-pack made of difficult-to-recycle exotic metals and compounds that costs $10K-$16K to replace and is intended to last about four years worth of charging cycles, tops...and is not really designed to be replaced at all, at least without near-factory disassembly/reassembly capability.
2. If you need heat or AC, the battery is getting sucked dry every minute you're in the car whether it's moving or not...as this winter's experience has shown, this is can be a serious, even life-threatening, drawback.
They actually have a lot to offer for a 10-15 mile commute in temperate weather, so you aren't going through one or more charging cycles every day, and if you are shameless about taking advantage of the economically-senseless Government underwriting of the purchase...at least as long as you have a real car or truck you can use for all the things you wouldn't use an electric car for.
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What about people that live in apartments? At most places, there's nowhere to plug in your electric vehicle. It's one of the reasons I've chosen not to build one for myself right now.
Good luck getting to work when it's five degrees outside and your car's range is about fifteen miles.
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What about people that live in apartments?
A really really long extension cord?
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A really really long extension cord?
i've got a 100 footer that would reach, but it's very inconvenient (not to mention unsafe).
I guess putting in an external 110-volt outlet wouldn't be too much of a hassle. You'd just have to cut a hole through the brick on the outside of the building and wire in an outlet.
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Why do the DUmmies hate the blind?
Because hybrids make virtually no noise at slower speeds when they run solely on electric power, blind people say they pose a hazard to those who rely on their ears to determine whether it's safe to cross the street or walk through a parking lot.
"I'm used to being able to get sound cues from my environment and negotiate accordingly. I hadn't imagined there was anything I really wouldn't be able to hear," said Deborah Kent Stein, chairwoman of the National Federation of the Blind's Committee on Automotive and Pedestrian Safety. "We did a test, and I discovered, to my great dismay, that I couldn't hear it."
The tests — admittedly unscientific — involved people standing in parking lots or on sidewalks who were asked to signal when they heard several different hybrid models drive by.
"People were making comments like, 'When are they going to start the test?' And it would turn out that the vehicle had already done two or three laps around the parking lot," Stein said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21112810/
KC
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This is a subject near and dear to my heart.......to answer the thread title question......there is NO case for electric vehicles in 97% of the individual vehicle purchase situations in the US.
One of my best friends likes to "play" with this idea, and launched on a project several years ago. A number of years in the past Ford built a limited run of experimental Ranger compact pickups that were totally electric (utilizing lead/acid battery packs strapped underneath). After Ford engineers determined (the obvious) that the idea was impractical......(these Rangers had an optimum range of about 40 miles between charges under ideal conditions).......these pickups were sold to enthusiasts.
My friend decided to find and purchase TWO of these experimental Ford Rangers, and convert them from lead/acid to lithium battery packs in hopes of improving the range, and arriving at a practical short-haul utility vehicle. His FIRST mistake was that he had to pay about $16,000 apiece for the Fords, and at least $2500 to have each of them transported to his western Pennsylvania home.
He then had to rent a forklift to remove the lead/acid battery assembly, and contract with a Chinese company (Owned by the PRCA) to design and build new batteries for this application. The cost of the new batteries and transportation from China came to nearly $40,000 for the two trucks.
To digress....he IS rather wealthy, and retired (a physician), so he can afford to embark on such folly, but that is beside the point.
After the new battery packs were installed, all of the electronic controls and systems had to be redesigned, as well as a new charging system built for the new application. All of the engineering work (minus his and my labor) came to another 10 grand. We STILL don't have all of the "bugs" worked out of the software yet......minor stuff, like getting the electronic instrument panel to read the correct battery charge level, etc.
As of last September they are BOTH now sorta "on the road"........and so long as the outside temperature is between 45 and 80 degrees F, they demonstrate a maximum (unloaded) range of about 90 miles between charges. which is close to his goal of 100 miles.
NOW.......add a maximum GVW load in the bed of 500 pounds, two people, and the A/C on, and the range drops to only 25 miles, under optimal temperature conditions........essentially useless.......after an investment of nearly $100,000 (or 50 grand apiece). It should be noted that redesign and engineering was free, as well as all the conversion and reprogramming labor (countless hours over four years).
So what's the bottom line?.......electric vehicles have been attempted since 1903, and in EVERY case determined to be impractical in what we Americans consider "normal use". A tiny fraction of vehicle owners in the US live close enough to work and shopping to ever use the concept on a practical basis, and that completely sets aside the occasional need for a one-way trip exceeding 100 miles, which is essentially the limit of range within the technology available today.
Today's politicians and environmentalists need to come to grips with the laws of physics......it simply requires "X" amount of energy to move a mass "Y" over a distance of "D", without replenishment of the energy source. The energy required to move a mass over distance cannot be "repealed", or distorted by artificial means.
Next week, our president is going to announce that he proposes a "grant" of $7500 to every citizen who purchases such a vehicle, which is coming out of we the taxpayer's pockets, that is over and above the $7500 tax credit that is already in place.
What is happening is that both the "Volt", and the "Leaf" are now available in dealer showrooms, and they are NOT exactly jumping off the lots. The administration is seeing their objective of 300,000 electric vehicle sales per year going down in flames due to public apathy........and rightly so, because once the public sits across the desk from a car salesman and begins to understand the SEVERE limitations of such a vehicle they are taking the reasonable course.........and giving it a "pass".
doc
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i've got a 100 footer that would reach, but it's very inconvenient (not to mention unsafe).
I guess putting in an external 110-volt outlet wouldn't be too much of a hassle. You'd just have to cut a hole through the brick on the outside of the building and wire in an outlet.
The problem with that idea is that in order to optimize charging time, 240 volts is required. Charging with 120 volts will require 16 hours for a full charge with a "Leaf".........
doc
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Even a DIY 144-volt DC system would cost a minimum of $5000 with regular lead acid batteries and the motor, and that doesn't include the time it takes to build your own controllers, adapters, and mounting hardware. Off-the-shelf parts? You might as well double that $5k.
I can buy a lot of gas for $5,000 and happily drive wherever I please.
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Do they auto-generate their own charges? Last time I took physics, that broke the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics.
OOOOoooooohhh, you have to plug'em in. Hmm, Ok. Where does that energy come from?
Haven't you heard of the free electricity unicorn?
Neither have I...
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Even a DIY 144-volt DC system would cost a minimum of $5000 with regular lead acid batteries and the motor, and that doesn't include the time it takes to build your own controllers, adapters, and mounting hardware. Off-the-shelf parts? You might as well double that $5k.
I can buy a lot of gas for $5,000 and happily drive wherever I please.
Yeah.....I tried to convince my friend that he could buy a lifetime supply of gasoline at even 5 bucks a gallon for what he's invested........alas to no avail.
It DID keep him out of trouble for four years so far......... :-)
doc
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Here's the basic problem with electric vehicles versus those powered by gasoline.......
One Gallon of 87 Octane gasoline = 116,090 BTU.
One kW of electrical energy (1,000 watts) = 3,413 BTU
Therefore:
One gallon of gasoline (if used at 100% efficiency) will produce 34.01 kW of electricity (34,010 Watts)
NOW........
Lithium batteries (the present "state of the art") are capable of storing 150 Watt/hours of electricity per kilogram of battery mass.
Therefore 226.7 kg (roughly 500 pounds) of Lithium batteries are required to deliver the same energy as a gallon of gasoline (for ONLY ONE HOUR), before a minimum 4-hour recharge cycle is required. It should be noted that a gallon of gasoline weighs approximately 7 pounds.
Since....at the average gas pump, probably fifteen seconds is required to pump a gallon of gas into your tank, which is the most efficient form of powering a motor vehicle?
We can assume that the average motor vehicle uses gasoline at approximately 89% efficiency, We can further assume that the average electric vehicle reaches nowhere near 100% efficiency in its use of stored electrical energy (particularly since the vehicle doesn't only have to transport its own weight, plus that of its payload, but also nearly a half-ton of batteries).
I'll let you folks play with all of the various conclusions that can be drawn from the math above........
doc
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My new Representative, Chris Gibson (R-NY 20) has suggested that one be built in the district. Not quite sure where, but somewhere on the banks of the Hudson River. Thing is, there's the GE research nukes on the banks of the Mohawk River, not too far from where I sit as I type this, and the US Navy has the nuke training facility a few miles north of that. I'm wondering if they could be harnessed to provide some sort of electricity to the grid . . .
Not really. As far as the ones at Ballston Spa go, they're either shut down or were never intended to have electricity generated, nor were the GE research nukes.
Add to that the fact they're low power units and not very efficient ones at that (most commercial nukes convert about 35 percent of their thermal output to electricity, which is a very good number) and it won't happen.
Then again, most of the plants that were talked about a couple of years ago are on hold--STILL. Only Vogtle 3 & 4 is currently being built. Everything else is still in the planning/application stage. FPL wanted to put another couple of nukes at Turkey Point but balked when the cost for two units estimates went from $8 Billion to over $20 Billion.
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Haven't you heard of the free electricity unicorn?
Neither have I...
I think that whole thing is an abysmally-uninformed reference to regenerative braking.
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Don't worry about a shortage of electricity. Copper thieves are going to steal the recharging cords as fast as people plug them in.
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Haven't you heard of the free electricity unicorn?
Neither have I...
NO, but Caliph Barry claims that when he clacks his two brass balls :lmao: together, he can generate about 500,000 volts. Anybody who wants all the free 'lectricity they can use just has to line up bend over, and let him stick his plug in their socket.
The Boy Won-duh said it, so it must be true... :-)
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Say anything you want about electric cars, the moral superiority is priceless.
:fuelfire:
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Even a DIY 144-volt DC system would cost a minimum of $5000 with regular lead acid batteries and the motor, and that doesn't include the time it takes to build your own controllers, adapters, and mounting hardware. Off-the-shelf parts? You might as well double that $5k.
I can buy a lot of gas for $5,000 and happily drive wherever I please.
Yeah, I've been toying with doing a DIY electrification job on my old used-up Ranger at some point next year after I retire, purely a shits-and-grins deal since even owning a completely-amortized shell vehicle and doing the work. Preliminary review puts the numbers at about $5K for 10-12 deep-cycle marine batteries, the motor, and supporting electronic shit and mechanicals to do it. Kind of interesting as a project, not sure I want to pull the trigger on screwing with it, though.
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Yeah, I've been toying with doing a DIY electrification job on my old used-up Ranger at some point next year after I retire, purely a shits-and-grins deal since even owning a completely-amortized shell vehicle and doing the work. Preliminary review puts the numbers at about $5K for 10-12 deep-cycle marine batteries, the motor, and supporting electronic shit and mechanicals to do it. Kind of interesting as a project, not sure I want to pull the trigger on screwing with it, though.
Yeah, my son "dropped" off an '86 Nissan pick up in my yard about 5 years ago. Been thinkin' of doin' the same thing with it, just to use around here or maybe run down to the local convenience store once a week. I need to move hay and grain around once in a while and havin' to warm up the diesel for a few minutes work is a pain in the ass! Just not sure I want to invest that kind of money.
I have access to all kinds of large electric motors though, and might be able to adapt one of them. The electronics aren't much of a problem since I've been designing my own circuit boards for years. The only real expense is batteries.
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For almost a century the regressives and MSM (but I repeat myself) have been touting THE ELECTRIC CAR. It has taken that long to dumb down the American public so that a good percentage think that it is a good idea.
From the article I posted if you want to put in a level two charging system you need a 220VAC/80 Amp service. This is almost all of a typical 220VAC/100 Amp residential service line. When I look up the NEC and NFPA codes that requires a minimum number 3 gauge wire TFFN. However, 2 gauge TFFN would probably be used and this wire is about 1/4 inch diameter of copper and overall about 3/8 inch in diameter. Not something that is easy to pull...or cheap. I'm out of current copper, power distribution, EMT, and labor pricing but my guess would be to run the lie to the garage would cost between $2500-$4000 depending on the run and that you have room on your circuit breaker panel.
There would be untold billions in replacing transmission lines and neighborhood step down transformers to handle the load for even 25% of the households having just a single EV.
The electric car is why stupid people should not be making laws.
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Been thinkin' of doin' the same thing with it, just to use around here or maybe run down to the local convenience store once a week. I need to move hay and grain around once in a while and havin' to warm up the diesel for a few minutes work is a pain in the ass! Just not sure I want to invest that kind of money.
Yeah, that's more or less the kind of role I'd have for it it, the added delay of charging on a 120v circuit wouldn't be a big drawback since I wouldn't need it for sustained driving on a daily basis.
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Yeah, that's more or less the kind of role I'd have for it it, the added delay of charging on a 120v circuit wouldn't be a big drawback since I wouldn't need it for sustained driving on a daily basis.
I figure I'd put solar cells on the roof so it would basically be chargin' all the time when not in use. Otherwise, I just figure a trickle charger would be sufficient, no more than I'd use the thing.
They make adapter plates to hook up to the trannie, but I may have to make my own if I can get a surplus motor from LiteHouseInc to work. They've gota few dozen high amp motors from upgrading their equipment where they make their salad dressing. Gonna have to look at specs.
If ya wanna go lithium, here's a site that deals in surplus http://www.goldmine-elec.com/
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I never want to use an electric vehicle for anything but getting from where I hit the ball to where I'm going to hit it again.
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I never want to use an electric vehicle for anything but getting from where I hit the ball to where I'm going to hit it again.
So, you're basically looking for an ATV with 4WD, full amphib capability, and front and rear winches capable of pulling it up into a tree, then? That's going to take a Hell of a battery pack...
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So, you're basically looking for an ATV with 4WD, full amphib capability, and front and rear winches capable of pulling it up into a tree, then? That's going to take a Hell of a battery pack...
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So, he wants one of these, for starters . . .
(http://www.revolutioncustomcarts.com/images/Hunting-Golf-Carts/Camo-Hunting-Golf-Cart-1-Large.jpg)
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So, he wants one of these, for starters . . .
(http://www.revolutioncustomcarts.com/images/Hunting-Golf-Carts/Camo-Hunting-Golf-Cart-1-Large.jpg)
Actually, I bought a new camo Honda 4-wheeler before deer season this year. It's a lot more rugged than that one, but golf courses don't like those tires, and it isn't exactly quiet.
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Yeah, my son "dropped" off an '86 Nissan pick up in my yard about 5 years ago. Been thinkin' of doin' the same thing with it, just to use around here or maybe run down to the local convenience store once a week. I need to move hay and grain around once in a while and havin' to warm up the diesel for a few minutes work is a pain in the ass! Just not sure I want to invest that kind of money.
I have access to all kinds of large electric motors though, and might be able to adapt one of them. The electronics aren't much of a problem since I've been designing my own circuit boards for years. The only real expense is batteries.
I've always wondered if an GE EV1 SCR would work in this situation.
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Actually, I bought a new camo Honda 4-wheeler before deer season this year. It's a lot more rugged than that one, but golf courses don't like those tires, and it isn't exactly quiet.
It's electric, GOBUCKS . . . so the EZ-GO is very quiet. That would be the reason I would, if I could, get one. Noise discipline.
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It's electric, GOBUCKS . . . so the EZ-GO is very quiet. That would be the reason I would, if I could, get one. Noise discipline.
Nah, mine's the one that makes noise. I hunt with a guy who uses an electric side-by-side Polaris, but I think it was over $15K. That's a steep price, plus it's a bigger vehicle for threading through the woods to a dead deer. I pulled six out this year, and drove within fifteen feet of every one. I don't worry about making noise getting into the woods because no one sneaks up on a deer, and their memory span is pretty much zero. My priorities are to avoid climbing hills and killing myself dragging deer.
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Nah, mine's the one that makes noise. I hunt with a guy who uses an electric side-by-side Polaris, but I think it was over $15K. That's a steep price, plus it's a bigger vehicle for threading through the woods to a dead deer. I pulled six out this year, and drove within fifteen feet of every one. I don't worry about making noise getting into the woods because no one sneaks up on a deer, and their memory span is pretty much zero. My priorities are to avoid climbing hills and killing myself dragging deer.
Cabela's has a "Stealth Exhaust System" available. Not sure if they have one for a Honda. They advertise that it cuts the noise signature by 50%--must be by decibel reduction.
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I've always wondered if an GE EV1 SCR would work in this situation.
Yeah, it will work, but from reading the boards on electric vehicles you have to have the right motor and drivers. It has to be a DC shunt.
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DC systems don't support regenerative braking either. At least not without a bunch of very expensive extra parts.
I thought about solar charging, but anything small enough to fit on a car probably won't be powerful enough to provide much of a boost.
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DC systems don't support regenerative braking either. At least not without a bunch of very expensive extra parts.
I thought about solar charging, but anything small enough to fit on a car probably won't be powerful enough to provide much of a boost.
Well the idea is you only use the electric vehicle once or twice a week as opposed to a daily driver. Then you can basically trickle charge the batts and not worry about all the expensive parts. Even if I use it to run to town, I'm only talkin' 6 miles one way. If I use it once or twice, the batteries will never actually run down.
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The value of regenerative braking circuitry depends pretty heavily on what kind of driving you're doing. For what Al and I are talking about, it's not a very useful feature. For vehicles doing urban driving with a lot of stop and go, and short charging intervals between daily use, it's a lot more useful.
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Well the idea is you only use the electric vehicle once or twice a week as opposed to a daily driver. Then you can basically trickle charge the batts and not worry about all the expensive parts. Even if I use it to run to town, I'm only talkin' 6 miles one way. If I use it once or twice, the batteries will never actually run down.
AR, I went to the EZ-GO website and found one that is street legal. WHere I live here, I'd use one a few times a week, but not to do stuff like drive to work--20 miles is a tad far for one of these. Plus, the solar array I'd have to put on top of the damned thing (there's backpack fold-out ones available) to keep it charged would be a nightmare.