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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: gurn on February 09, 2011, 07:00:30 PM
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I like everything I've heard him say. :cheersmate:
I don't like the hair.
25% tariff on PRC manufactured goods.
Somebody needs to say it.
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Somebody needs to say it.
To coin a phrase.....not only no, but HELL NO!!
doc
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Yeah... I don't think so.
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To coin a phrase.....not only no, but HELL NO!!
doc
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He gave $10,000 to Rahm Emmanuel's campaign for Mayor, enough said!
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He's an asshat. His act plays well in NYC and North Jersey and the Shore, it'd be a disaster on the national and international stage.
And as far as a 25% tariff goes, that's a game that quickly gains players, and sane economists will tell you that the cascading reprisal tariffs after Smoot-Hawley was enacted to 'Protect American jobs' are what turned a big recession into the worldwide Great Depression when the tariffs resulted in the collapse of international trade.
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He's an asshat. His act plays well in NYC and North Jersey and the Shore, it'd be a disaster on the national and international stage.
And as far as a 25% tariff goes, that's a game that quickly gains players, and sane economists will tell you that the cascading reprisal tariffs after Smoot-Hawley was enacted to 'Protect American jobs' are what turned a big recession into the worldwide Great Depression when the tariffs resulted in the collapse of international trade.
Assuming what you say about the post-Smoot-Holley tariffs is true, I'd say that a lot changes in 80 years.
For example, the US economy has changed.
The Great Depression in UK was nowhere near as bad as it was in the US. Why?
The US was an export-driven powerhouse in the 1920's & 30's. It was much like China is today.
Britain OTOH, had an economy driven by domestic consumption, a reserve currency and an empire.
OTOH, today, the US economy is more like Britain's back then. There is a reserve currency.
And the economy is driven by domestic consumption.
I think the effects of a depression or even serious inflation inside China would be catastrophic.
Millions could starve. I don't think its government would survive very long. The effect on the US would be less serious.
I don't know about Trump's stands on other issues. Second Amendment would be a deal-breaker for me.
But I think he is exactly right on China. And he's the only politician I hear talking about it.
But my opinion around here is already known. The US is at war with the PRC. Anything that weakens the US is viewed
by the CCP as good for China. Conversely, I believe anything that weakens the CCP is good for America.
So I like what Trump is saying. Gun Control would be a deal-breaker for me though.
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Yes, Trump is saying a lot of good things about China, but I don't trust him on anything else, and I happen to even like the guy. The most important thing IMO is THE SUPREME COURT, if we had a 2-3 person edge on the Court then that wouldn't be as important an issue, but we don't, and Trump isn't Conservative on many issues so no way would he nominate 1 to the Supreme Court.
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He seems to have a lot of experience at bankruptcy and taking unnecessary chances.
No thanks. Besides, I already have my candidate.
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He seems to have a lot of experience at bankruptcy and taking unnecessary chances.
No thanks. Besides, I already have my candidate.
He also has a lot of great experience in divorce court........
doc
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Works for me. I've seen absolutely no one that interests me at all.
Rand Paul, love ya like a brother. You're not electable.
Sarah, love ya like a sister. You're not electable.
The rest of ya? Meh.
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Assuming what you say about the post-Smoot-Holley tariffs is true, I'd say that a lot changes in 80 years.
For example, the US economy has changed.
Yeah. We're a whole lot more dependent on international trade now than we were then. "Different" doesn't mean "Better."
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A star in one arena may not prove to also be a star in another. My gut tells me The Donald wouldn't make a very good politician. The man is a privateer, period. He is a wheeler-dealer that would prove to play fast and loose with conservative core values treated as any other asset in his portfolio, subject to be traded away in the pursuit of his next fresh kill. In business the ends justify the means and anything lost along the way is of little significance so long as the prize is gained in the end and the sack of loot has been enlarged.
I'm sorry, Donald but my values aren't for sale or trade.
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Works for me. I've seen absolutely no one that interests me at all.
Rand Paul, love ya like a brother. You're not electable.
Sarah, love ya like a sister. You're not electable.
The rest of ya? Meh.
I watched him in the clip at RCP. He's still got my vote ONLY because of what he's saying about China.
If he were anti-Second Amendment, screw him. I don't know what his position is on that issue.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/10/trump_receives_cheers_boos_after_declaring_ron_paul_can_not_get_elected.html
The speech was depressing & exhilarating. His haircut is depressing. His puffy face is depressing.
He was 'in yer face' to Ron Paul supporters - not once - but twice. I didn't like that, since
I mostly agree with Ron Paul.
But did you notice when Trump said,
(starting at 0:59)
"And I tell you this, if I run and if I win, this country will be respected again."
Then he repeated it.
"This country will be respected again. "
The heckling stopped and the crowd was on its feet cheering him. Even the Ron Paul supporters
seemed to be applauding him. It was a standing ovation.
He's got my vote right now.
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The Donald needs to run for a local office before dipping his toes in the shark pool.
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Just what we need....a bad combover for president.
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doc:
To coin a phrase.....not only no, but HELL NO!!
doc
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Agree with formerlurker - if Trump is tired of losing money, then making it back again by reinventing himself, he'll have to start in the mailroom of Politics, Inc. He doesn't get to run for CEO of the country just because he's had a TV show and lots of real estate.
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Please don't make me hold my nose again ...
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No. And you shouldn't pick a candidate based on one speech and one issue. 2012 is too damned important for kneejerk decisions. We need to be circumspect here, do some damn thinking.
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No. And you shouldn't pick a candidate based on one speech and one issue. 2012 is too damned important for kneejerk decisions. We need to be circumspect here, do some damn thinking.
Michael Savage has been promoting Trump like crazy, I haven't heard him speak about him at all this week which makes me think there's some backlash going on.
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Michael Savage has been promoting Trump like crazy,
Looks like he has the Unhinged Caucus support wrapped up.
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Looks like he has the Unhinged Caucus support wrapped up.
The only reason Savage has been doing this is because he was at a party that Trump was at and Trump spend a few minutes talking to him, Michael basked in it and now he's a huge supporter. Funny how he's always touting his Conservatism, what's Conservative about Trump?
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If Trump would only primary Obama .... :-)
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Screw Trump. How about somethin like:
Palin/Christie 2012
John Bolton at State
Thomas Sowell at Treasury
Oliver North at Defense
Mark Levin at Justice
Ted Nugent at the Dept of Interior
and Chuck Norris in charge of everything else.
:popcorn:
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Screw Trump. How about somethin like:
Palin/Christie 2012
John Bolton at State
Thomas Sowell at Treasury
Oliver North at Defense
Mark Levin at Justice
Ted Nugent at the Dept of Interior
and Chuck Norris in charge of everything else.
:popcorn:
I'm fine with that. I especially like the Levin & North picks.
But I'd like to hear where Palin stands on China.
Trump at least, has told us where he stands & what he will do.
People might disagree with him (I don't). But at least he put his position out there.
What are Palin's thoughts?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_hi_te/as_china_us_cyberattacks
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The guy is smart about making money and that is where it stops. His opinions, from what I recall, remind me of Bill O'Reilly: Big on conventional wisdom short on actual wisdom.
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Still too early to tell, but I like what I've heard from Trump already. Run the Country like a business, not an empire. His stance on China is AWESOME! His stance on the South Koreans getting free protection from us while they should be paying for it, is AWESOME.
Still too early to tell yet.
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Im sure that -- far, far too many will fall for what 0bama "says" to get re-elected.
Just as farrrrrr too many fell for what he said on the original campaign trail. Of course its a mighty nice "boost" when the media is rooting for you too. Which also means they are against the others.
The long and short -- talk is cheap. Im guessing the cheapest investment Trump will make along the way.
Screw the details ... lets get right to the "bullet points", right? The wet dream of every aspiring politician who happens to be a lawyer or salesman.
Not saying Trump is bad ... but what do we know? Whats his record? You say he has no record? Isnt that what got us to where we are now? C'mon folks ... think.
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Im gonna have to scratch Chris Christie from my list at this time. I have heard it reported by Mark Levin that Christie is MIA on 0bamacare. 28 states are challenging 0bamacare. And New Jersey is sitting on the sidelines. Why?
Christie supports gun control. (http://extranosalley.com/?p=5914)
He appointed a radical Islamist to a judgeship. (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0111/emerson012011.php3?printer_friendly)
Refused to take a side on the Ground Zero Mosque. (http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-to-chris-christie-youre-dead-wrong-get-serious-and-take-a-position)
He is for amnesty. (http://24ahead.com/chris-christie-supports-immigration-reform-aka-amnesty)
He is to some degree for the green movement (Cap & Trade). (http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2010/09/cap-and-traitors_better_start.html)
He campaigned for Mike Castle. (http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2010/09/cap-and-traitors_better_start.html)
While Romney needs to explain Romneycare, perhaps Christie could explain why he is sitting on the sidelines on 0zombiecare.
The guy’s still fantastic on fiscal responsibility, but he has repeatedly stated that he’s not running for higher office anytime soon. So maybe thats a good thing.
As an aside Paul Ryan (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=paul+ryan+budget&aq=f) is looking to be a much better match on the ticket considering the speed at which this regime is bankrupting our nation.
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I won't vote for Trump, and the only two in the present anticipated field that I would vote for is Newt and Palin.
But whoever the Republican nominee is I will vote for him just to be voting against the Democratic nominee.
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Still too early to tell, but I like what I've heard from Trump already. Run the Country like a business, not an empire. His stance on China is AWESOME! His stance on the South Koreans getting free protection from us while they should be paying for it, is AWESOME.
Still too early to tell yet.
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I doubt he's running. But i hope he or someone else picks up his trade policy suggestions.
I think he's exactly right.
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Trump running for president would have made for an intriguing proposition except for one main factor.
The Tea Party Movement.
The Tea Party has proven that "practical" politics is about as worthless, as "political capital," which is as counterfeit as confederate money. One should realize that government should NOT be run like a business, just like NFL referees should not be game-planning one team's offense with another team's defense. That is NOT THEIR JOB, and in fact CORRUPTS the game to the point its value becomes nullified. Trump should either elect to be the referee or choose a side and play quarterback. YOU CANNOT DO BOTH.
For years, though this is the concept we have lived under. No more. And as much as I highly respect Trump and his business acumen, it is necessary to understand that such acumen depends on compromise so he can provide the best value to HIS stakeholders and customers. He knows that if he doesn't act in their interest, they will defect to Trump's competition.
Now, does this automatically disqualify Trump from being an effective president? Not in toto...BUT the problem is that we are trying to REDUCE government's influence, NOT INCREASE it. We should be pursuing policies, for instance, that reduce all tariffs, both exporting and importing, and not regulate it to protect jobs. We should be pursuing policies that unleash the economy as a whole, making sure that obvious defense measures are put in place to prevent harm to this country.
Before the Tea Party, we were stuck in an unfortunate position where we had to "compromise" our beliefs. But with the advent of the Tea Party movement, the people have FINALLY started to realize the tenets of the constitutional authority to move forward. To that end, a compromiser like Trump is doing nothing but kicking the can down the road.
At this point, Sarah Palin is still the number one candidate from a pragmatic standpoint. (Don't bother flaming away; I've actually thought her chances may have been hit hard, but she handles her media-created baggage like the rough Alaskan outdoorswoman that she is.) Others will come along; in fact they are starting to come out of the states such as Scott Walker, asserting themselves in the House like Paul Ryan, and in the Senate like Rand Paul. People look at Rand Paul vs. David Letterman and there is now no PRETENSE of reasonable debate. Trump cannot dodge his support for anti-constitutional methodologies, and this should be enough to doom him in any realistic run.
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I heard him interviewed again last night on Michael Savage's show and I like a lot of what he says. Also I heard that Justice Kennedy is supposed to retire after the 2012 election, we need to keep our advantage on the Court, can you imagine 2nd Amendment issues coming in front of the Court with Obama appointees? Free Speech issues?
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Screw Trump. How about somethin like:
Palin/Christie 2012
John Bolton at State
Thomas Sowell at Treasury
Oliver North at Defense
Mark Levin at Justice
Ted Nugent at the Dept of Interior
and Chuck Norris in charge of everything else.
:popcorn:
Everyone of those picks are outstanding.
Trump's stance on tariffs would wind up causing a trade war where everyone loses. Fact..the US is #1 in the world in manufactured goods.
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Its sad but I would vote for Bullwinkle over our current POUS!
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Trump's got my vote.
He'd trounce Imam Barack in the General Election.
Unfortunately, I don't think he can get nominated.
I think he's exactly right on China too.
The US is subsidizing their plans to destroy us.
We send our jobs to them. They buy T-Bills to keep their
own currency cheap. And with those dollars, they build missiles to destroy
our aircraft carriers and launch cyber-attacks against the US Government.
It's long past time to teach them some respect.
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A little more background ...
Trump may be a superb businessman and very entertaining but have you heard about who else he has contributed to besides Rahm (dead fish) Emanuel? Back in 2009 and 2010?
(D)Sen ChucKy (shmucky) Schumer = $400,$1600,$2000
(I)Gov Charlie (repuke turned independant) Crist = $2400 x2
(D)Sen Hillary (the hildebeast) Clintoon = $2300,$1700
(D)Anthony (the) Wiener = $2000
(D)Sen Kirsten Gilebrand = $10,000,$2400 x2
(D)Caroline Maloney = $1000
(D)Bill Nelson = $2000
(D)Harry Reid = $2400
(r)John McCain = $1000 x3, $2300 x2, $28,450
(D)Robert Andrews = $6900
(D)Arlen Spector = $1300
Democrat Senatorial Committee = $25,000
Of course he padded his bets by contributing a little to a few republicans ... but not like he has to lib dems and repukes.
There is much more. But does this sound like a conservative? Do you think he puts his money where his mouth is or ...? How many of these do you think Ronald Reagan would have contributed to? And which positions do you suppose he agrees with these people on?
We need somebody who is tough on China but who will also be tough on liberal democrats (that he has not contributed to for political office). This is no time to go wobbily folks. And he is no conservative.
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"We need somebody who is tough on China but who will also be tough on liberal democrats (that he has not contributed to for political office). This is no time to go wobbily folks. And he is no conservative.
Unfortunately, there are no Republicans running who fit that description.
Look at this guy, Clapper.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/03/10/director_national_intelligence_china_poses_greatest_threat_to_us.html
Lindsey Graham is screaming for his head just because he told the truth about the Chinese government.
China not only intends to be the mortal enemy of the US -- it IS the mortal enemy of the US.
And Republicans & Dim-O-Rats are both offended.
But Lindsey Graham appears to take it personal.
Why is Lindsey Graham defending China?
I don't think a candidate who tells the truth about China could be nominated in either party.
That candidate would sure as Hell win the General Election though.
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Unfortunately, there are no Republicans running who fit that description.
Keep your powder dry. Its still early.
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Keep your powder dry. Its still early.
I hope so. I'm not crazy about Trump. But right now - he's the only game in town.
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Sorry, but Trump is an egotistical opportunist, and he does not have the smarts nor the judgment to lead.
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Sorry, but Trump is an egotistical opportunist, and he does not have the smarts nor the judgment to lead.
Correct. He is also not a conservative. Plus, starting a trade war with this fragile economy might lead us into a depression. We need a good negotiator to obtain fair trade but not a bull in a China closet who will wreck it. We need an outsider just not him.
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Correct. He is also not a conservative. Plus, starting a trade war with this fragile economy might lead us into a depression. We need a good negotiator to obtain fair trade but not a bull in a China closet who will wreck it. We need an outsider just not him.
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I think that's been tried. Dunno if you've negotiated with mainland Chinese* much. I have.
Nothing happens. Even with an agreement - nothing happens.
Walk away silently. And don't come back.
That is how you successfully negotiate with the PRC.
But I don't see this as a trade or negotiating issue. I see it as a threat to US National Security.
Look at this guy, Clapper. He's being crucified for telling the truth about China.
But if stuck you're negotiating with mainland Chinese*, another good strategy is to not show up at all.
Inform the other side what you are going to do and then -- do it. Or don't inform them at all.
Just do it.
They'll believe you the next time around. But good faith negotiations? Fuggedaboudit.
As soon as you sit down with them -- you're just another noodle in the soup.
The Donald:
Trump would also tell him he should not hire “diplomats to negotiate with the Red Chinese, because we’re dealing with people who truly are not only smart, they’re great natural negotiators. They’re not our friends. They’re looking to strip us of everything they can strip us of.
“I would say go out and get the great business leaders. We have great business leaders, great minds, tough, smart, brilliant. Use those people to negotiate with these countries. Don’t use a diplomat, whose training is to be a nice person.I don’t want nice people. I want people that are going to bring this country back.
“This country is in serious trouble. It’s not going to be a great country for long. It may not be a great country now. This country has to be brought back. Go out and get the toughest, smartest guys, because that’s what you need if you’re going to beat China and other countries.â€
Assuming what Lacarnut says is true about Trump's policies leading to a depression -
America's depression will be a piece of cake compared to what unfolds in China.
And they are very aware of that. In fact - that is something their leaders are obsessed with.
What happens if the growth stops?
So far, it's been easy to fleece the Americans. But what happens if the gravy train leaves the station?
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And in fact, Chinese people inside the PRC are some very nice, respectful people. But do not be as
stupid as the Senate Intelligence Committee. Clapper was right. Trump is right.
The PRC intends to destroy the United States. It no longer respects the United States.
But it's not the greatest enemy the American people face. America's greatest enemy appears
to be its own government in Washington DC .
If the Senate Intelligence Committee does not see China as a mortal threat,
we're in deep, deep doo doo.
**(Note - when I write "Chinese", I'm specifically referring to the PRC Chinese Government.
What I'm saying here doesn't apply so much to Wah-Chao Chinese who live outside China,
or Taiwanese. They're civilized. Their frame of reference is not a warped, paranoid society.)
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I think that's been tried. Dunno if you've negotiated with mainland Chinese* much. I have.
Nothing happens. Even with an agreement - nothing happens.
Walk away silently. And don't come back.
That is how you successfully negotiate with the PRC.
But I don't see this as a trade or negotiating issue. I see it as a threat to US National Security.
Look at this guy, Clapper. He's being crucified for telling the truth about China.
But if stuck you're negotiating with mainland Chinese*, another good strategy is to not show up at all.
Inform the other side what you are going to do and then -- do it. Or don't inform them at all.
Just do it.
They'll believe you the next time around. But good faith negotiations? Fuggedaboudit.
As soon as you sit down with them -- you're just another noodle in the soup.
Assuming what Lacarnut says is true about Trump's policies leading to a depression -
America's depression will be a piece of cake compared to what unfolds in China.
And they are very aware of that. In fact - that is something their leaders are obsessed with.
What happens if the growth stops?
So far, it's been easy to fleece the Americans. But what happens if the gravy train leaves the station?
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And in fact, Chinese people inside the PRC are some very nice, respectful people. But do not be as
stupid as the Senate Intelligence Committee. Clapper was right. Trump is right.
The PRC intends to destroy the United States. It no longer respects the United States.
But it's not the greatest enemy the American people face. America's greatest enemy appears
to be its own government in Washington DC .
If the Senate Intelligence Committee does not see China as a mortal threat,
we're in deep, deep doo doo.
**(Note - when I write "Chinese", I'm specifically referring to the PRC Chinese Government.
What I'm saying here doesn't apply so much to Wah-Chao Chinese who live outside China,
or Taiwanese. They're civilized. Their frame of reference is not a warped, paranoid society.)
The US has gotten the short end of the stick with China, Japan, Korea, etc. for many, many years. Trump has identified the problem and I agree this can not go on. Our politicans do not have the guts to change it. Correct me if I am wrong but it is Congress who has to make changes in trade agreements. The President can place a tariff on this product or that product. When he does the other side will retaliate. Then you will have business like GM, GE, Deere screaming bloody murder.
I was a golf pro back in the 70's and a top notch set of woods and irons sold for around $350. In Japan that set cost $1000. They did not manufacture golf clubs back then. We have allowed ourselves to get totally screwed by countries all over the world who put high tariffs on our products or ban products all together. At one time rice from LA was banned from being improted to Japan even though ours was superior to theirs. Buy an American car in Europe and that $30k car becomes 40k. We need to put an end to this crap. I just do not want to start a trade war in the process. No one wins if that happens.
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I mostly agree with you.
But unfortunately, I think politicians (GOP & the Dim-O-Crap Party) are too cowardly to do anything.
Look at how Intelligence Chief Clapper is being crucified just for stating the obvious.
On the + side, I think Hu got rattled during his recent trip to the US. By what?
Both Boehner & Reid refused to attend the State Dinner the Imam Obamao gave for him.
That is the sort of thing that rattles PRC leadership. That just doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.
To refuse to honor the emperor of the Middle Kingdom is a huge affront and a loss of face.
I've read that Hu feared Nancy Pelosi too - believe it or not.
But right now, AFAIC, Trump is the only game in town.
If another candidate takes it and runs with it, great. The more the merrier.
But I don't think that can happen in Washington.
But I think it will take a pissed-off outsider who is also a multi-billionaire.
Politicians are too in hock to American importers like Wal-Mart & exporters
like GM who rely on out-sourcing American jobs to China.
(GM BTW, makes money in China. I see a lot of Buicks on the road there.)
What I like about Trump, he takes the same approach to negotiating with China I would.
You don't negotiate - period. You just do what you are going to do.
Then they will be whining, begging, pleading to get back to bargaining.
Trump says China would cave once the tariff was put in place.
That's how I read it too.
Despite all the boasting and chest-thumping, the PRC leadership understands
it's sitting on top of a volcano.
Chinese have two modes - boasting & whining.
American Presidents have allowed them to boast & thump their chests for too long.
I think it's time to make them whine.
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The Donald doubts the Long legged Mac Daddy is legit American-
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/17/trump-says-he-has-doubts-about-obama%E2%80%99s-birth-place/
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I pretty much see Trump as the Ross Perot of the 21st century.......and he'll get just about as far......
doc
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I pretty much see Trump as the Ross Perot of the 21st century.......and he'll get just about as far......
doc
Hopefully he won't decide to run as an independent like Perot did...
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Hopefully he won't decide to run as an independent like Perot did...
[youtube=425,350]0gR7iBZhbLE[/youtube]
He sounds like he's running. And it wouldn't surprise me if he goes 3rd Party.
He's not joined at the hip with the GOP.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42268
Trump on when he would announce:
I have to wait till June because I have a very successful television show. Unfortunately you have certain little rules and regulations in this country that I can’t do anything right now because of air time.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42269
Trump on Korea:
“Let me give you an example,†Trump says. “South Korea. We send our ships to protect them. Do they pay us? They don’t pay us. Why are we protecting them, and if we’re going to protect them, why aren’t they paying us?â€
Trump on Iraq:
Trump also believes we should be reimbursed by Iraq for liberating that country. “They have $15 trillion worth of oil. Why aren’t we taking our money back? Why aren’t we getting it back?â€
I''d hate to see him run as a third-party candidate. And I don't think America can survive four more years of Obama.
But where do Pawlenty, Gingrich, Huckabee, Romney, Santorum, Palin, Bachmann, Barbour, Daniels, et al stand on the above issues?
Trump at least, has laid his positions out there. And I agree with everything he says.
The other candidates look gutless by comparison. I think he would be a nightmare scenario
for them in a televised debate situation.
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I heard a telephone interview that Trump gave to either Savage or Hannity, about a week or so ago. He said that he would not run as an independent if he didn't get the nomination, because he realizes that the problem is Obama. The problem can't be solved by running a third-party ticket and siphoning off votes from the Republican challenger, and he knows it.
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Trump on Korea:
“Let me give you an example,†Trump says. “South Korea. We send our ships to protect them. Do they pay us? They don’t pay us. Why are we protecting them, and if we’re going to protect them, why aren’t they paying us?â€
Trump on Iraq:
Trump also believes we should be reimbursed by Iraq for liberating that country. “They have $15 trillion worth of oil. Why aren’t we taking our money back? Why aren’t we getting it back?â€
I don't see these as anything more than chest-thumping. Saying all this is one thing, actually doing them is quite another.
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Trump on Iraq:
I don't see these as anything more than chest-thumping. Saying all this is one thing, actually doing them is quite another.
He's the only one saying it right now. So I commend him for that.
I'm hoping a GOP candidate who can be nominated starts saying it too.
I agree with him. We protect South Koreans so that American jobs can be shipped there
and they can get rich selling to China. We saved their a**es in a war, just so they could
get rich at our expense.
Is America a great country, or what?
Who's -paying for all this s*it? Iraq should be paying us back in oil. Ditto for Libya.
But we liberated Iraq so that Shias in Iran could govern it & sell oil to China.
No wonder the world thinks Americans are stupid -- we are!
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http://stonezone.com/
Roger Stone reports good news/bad news for Trump.
1. He has better nationwide approvals than GOP candidates he tested against.
2. Right now he couldn't win Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina.
And he probably won't be able to win them either.
Donald Trump has an approval rating higher than better-known political quantities Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty, the latest WSJ/NBC poll found.
The poll tested the three potential 2012 hopefuls, along with House Speaker John Boehner, and found Trump leading the pack. Trump's numbers were 9 percent "very positive" and 17 percent "somewhat positive," for a combined total of 26 percent...
One storm cloud on the horizon; a recent Iowa poll by We Ask America showed Trump in fifth place with former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee still the Iowa frontrunner.
A "We Ask America" poll in Iowa finds Mike Huckabee leading the Republican presidential race with 20%, followed by Sarah Palin at 14%, Newt Gingrich at 13%, Mitt Romney at 13%, Donald Trump at 9%, Ron Paul at 5%, Tim Pawlenty at 4%, Haley Barbour at 3% and Mitch Daniels at 2%.
Trump is a stronger general election candidate than he is a candidate for the Republican nomination. Trump must concentrate on New Hampshire, Nevada and Florida and lower expectations in Iowa and South Carolina where the large Evangelical Christian electorate is unlikely to support the New York billionaire.
He is the kind of candidate who would have a shot in Florida - if he lasts that long.
But it would really take a miracle for the GOP to nominate him.
Most likely, GOP primary voters won't hire him. And that's a shame AFAIC.
I think his platform is what can save America. And time's running out.
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I hope he runs. Run the Country like a business, not an empire.
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His speech indicates he could run as a republican.
His campaign donations to Hillary and other dems:
(D)Sen ChucKy (shmucky) Schumer = $400,$1600,$2000
(I)Gov Charlie (repuke turned independant) Crist = $2400 x2
(D)Sen Hillary (the hildebeast) Clintoon = $2300,$1700
(D)Anthony (the) Wiener = $2000
(D)Sen Kirsten Gilebrand = $10,000,$2400 x2
(D)Caroline Maloney = $1000
(D)Bill Nelson = $2000
(D)Harry Reid = $2400
(r)John McCain = $1000 x3, $2300 x2, $28,450
(D)Robert Andrews = $6900
(D)Arlen Spector = $1300
Democrat Senatorial Committee = $25,000
... would indicate that he could also run as a democrat. Unfortunately the dem ticket is already spoken for. So whats left?
Aww yes. The republican ticket. I get it now.
I think we already have those in the republican "leadership" who could for all tense and purposes run on either ticket ... if the other is not already spoken for.
I have an idea ... lets have a look at his record. How has he voted on issues in the past? What? You say what??
Did he at least vote "present"? On anything??
Well how does that work? You want this guy to start in what office?
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I don't care if he's donated to Dems.
He is the only candidate -- in my lifetime -- to speak the truth about China, Korea and America's
role as the gratuitous (free of charge) world cop.
Our college-educated kids can't find jobs. Americans are turning on each other
because good-paying jobs are vanishing. Government workers' unions have become
extortion rackets because private sector jobs are vanishing and they're the only
game in town.
America is in decline. And I don't know what it will take for Americans to wake up & to reverse it.
I know this much -- not one Republican or Democrat -- except Trump -- is talking about
what needs to be done.
Pawlenty? Romney? Barbour? Huckabee (The governor from Wal-Mart)?
Obama (Lang Lang's gracious host)?
On Trump's issue, they're all the same. Only Trump has gone out on a limb.
God bless him for that AFAIC. That takes more guts than voting 'present'.
Palin has taken a small step -- but not nearly far enough.
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Why should any of them "take a position"?
Its too early.
Too much time for the left and the media to tear them a new one.
Your jumping the gun my friend. Unless of course you WANT the left to tear our guys up.
Good thing your not running anybodys campaign.
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:yahoo:
"I dealt with Gadhafi," he said in a phone call to "Fox and Friends."
"I rented him a piece of land. He paid me more for one night than the land was worth for two years _ and then I didn't let him use the land. I don't want to use the world 'screwed,' but I screwed him. That's what we should be doing."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2011/Mar/22/hl_trump__newt__palin__who_will_take_on_obama_in_2012_presid.html
Oh Lord, please work a miracle here! Get this guy nominated. That's my prayer.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/03/23/2011-03-23_donald_trump_takes_charge_he_may_not_become_president_but_gop_candidates_can_lea.html
In the past few months, he's been telling anyone who will listen about his vision for the country. Borrowing somewhat from the left, he wants America to be "respected again" by other countries - not just feared. On the other hand, he's both pro-life and pro-gun. He thinks that China is laughing at us*, and he once "screwed" Moammar Khadafy. He's even weighing in on the viability of certain other Republican candidates. (Sorry, Ron Paul: He's not a fan.)...
Even though Trump may just be testing the waters, in his relatively short wake he's already left behind a sea of bobbing suits in Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich, who look strikingly sober and downright dour next to Donald Trump. Trump's hair alone has more name recognition than Pawlenty.
That's because, as great salesmen do, Trump has located a gap in the marketplace, and he is capitalizing on it. He recognizes that Republicans - and more crucially, some independents - want the next President to be more hawkish on foreign policy, smarter on the economy and better at communicating both our successes and failures.
And he's been touting a more muscular response to the deficit, suggesting that we hit China and South Korea with a massive tax for "taking advantage of us," and that we send any country that our military protects a bill at the end of the month for services rendered. He's also suggested we tell the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries exactly where it can go. And he's been refreshingly blunt on everything from Obamacare to nuclear energy.
All of this - foreign policy machismo, creative budget-balancing and clear leadership - are Trump's bold answers to Obama's hemming and hawing. Are you listening, Mitt, Newt and Tim?
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/03/23/2011-03-23_donald_trump_takes_charge_he_may_not_become_president_but_gop_candidates_can_lea.html#ixzz1HSKZfcKN
(* China is laughing at us.)
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The Donald on the View:
Listen to the applause he gets when he repeats,
"I want him to show his birth certificate,".
He also says, "There's something on that he doesn't like."
I think he was born in Hawaii. But I think that is right.
There is something on that BC he doesn't want the public to know.
Old long form birth certificates sometimes listed religion.
Did this birth certificate list "race". What did it say?
Was the father's name on the birth certificate?
I've never been a 'birther'. But Trump has turned me into one.
http://www.breitbart.tv/trump-to-obama-show-us-the-birth-certificate/
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Thanks for the vid gurn. I'll add that to my birther stuff. :)
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Thanks for the vid gurn. I'll add that to my birther stuff. :)
This is one of the most bizarre controversies I've ever seen in American politics.
1. The short-form birth certificate released by Obama references a long form birth certificate in the archives.
2. Either the long-form exists or it does not. I think it's reasonable to assume that it does.
3. But if #2 is the case, why doesn't Obama just request it be released?
4. The Governor of Hawaii wanted to release but could not -- according to him -- because
of privacy laws. Obama can waive those privacy rights, by consenting to release of the long form.
But he doesn't.
That all adds up to: :???:
Here is a long-form birth certificate.
(http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif)
Short form:
(http://www.uspoliticsguide.com/images/barack-obama-birth-certificate.jpg)
I see only two possibilities here. Either Obama is very stupid, or he's hiding something.
I think the most plausible explanation is that he's so full of himself, he doesn't see how
stupidly he's handled this.
Maybe there is a third possibility. Maybe he'll consent to releasing the long form at a time
that helps his campaign in 2012. But that wasn't the vibe I got from the Governor of Hawaii
on TV when I saw him speak to the issue. The vibe I got was that he was distressed & upset
about something.
This is a very strange episode.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html
[Gov.] Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html#ixzz1HTEMf8mi
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On the youtube I saw today Whoopie wanted to know why everyone wants Obama to show his birth certificate, and she said no 1 asked George Bush to show his, well here's why we want to see his Birth Certificate Whoopie:
His Grandmother said she was there at his birth, in Kenya!
Obama's election was historic, why hasn't the Doctor who delivered him come forward? or the Doctor's family? or the Nurse's?
What Hospital was he born at? Obama says 1 Hospital and his Sister says another!
My Birth Certificate has my Mother and Father's name, their age, their place of birth, how many live births resulted from this pregnancy, the Doctor's name etc.
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Reading the Daily Mail article, it appears that there is no long form birth certificate in the archives. :o
There is some kind of notation or handwritten entry?
And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html#ixzz1HTFNsQNl
Trump's a billionaire. People like that understand 'due diligence'. They generally don't pop off without knowing something.
It looks like there is really something there. And the Birthers are owed a big apology.
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I agree that Trump just wouldn't throw something like that out there.
Also I have to ask this question because I've always been on the fence about it though more and more I lean toward the birthers, I've asked this question a few times before on other boards, wouldn't someone know the truth? like the CIA and or FBI? and if so why would they keep quiet on something like this? this would be a Constitutional Crisis, the same question could be asked of members of Congress, wouldn't someone know the truth? and if so is the thought of being called a racist that strong that it would prevent them from talking about it? or is there something more?
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NSA might know something. I have zero confidence in the CIA/FBI.
It was a Hillary Dem who started all this Birther stuff. It would not surprise me
if the Clintons know what's up.
I was not a Birther at all, until I heard Trump mention it. Even then I thought,
"Why did he have to go there?"
But did you notice how confident he was on The View, and how nervous the hosts were?
Yeah, Trump has a big mouth. But he has crearted a stir with this and has not backed off.
He's even upped the ante. I suspect he knows something we don't. So do the Clintons.
Legally, the short form refers to something more complete in the record. .
It's true that the short form is valid evidence of citizenship to Federal and state agencies.
However, it's also clear that if the record the short form refers to doesn't exist,
the short form is invalid.
In the words of Conway Twitty, "Think about that darlin,".
After watching Abercrombie, it's reasonable to suspect something is very wrong here.
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NSA might know something. I have zero confidence in the CIA/FBI.
It was a Hillary Dem who started all this Birther stuff. It would not surprise me
if the Clintons know what's up.
I was not a Birther at all, until I heard Trump mention it. Even then I thought,
"Why did he have to go there?"
But did you notice how confident he was on The View, and how nervous the hosts were?
Yeah, Trump has a big mouth. But he has crearted a stir with this and has not backed off.
He's even upped the ante. I suspect he knows something we don't. So do the Clintons.
Legally, the short form refers to something more complete in the record. .
It's true that the short form is valid evidence of citizenship to Federal and state agencies.
However, it's also clear that if the record the short form refers to doesn't exist,
the short form is invalid.
In the words of Conway Twitty, "Think about that darlin,".
After watching Abercrombie, it's reasonable to suspect something is very wrong here.
Why didn't Hillary use that info though? she would've won the Presidency if she did.
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Oh and gurn, look at this:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
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Wow!
Concerning the SSN's, what interests me is he changed #'s from the state senate to the US Senate.
Otherwise, he was probably giving fake SSN's to landlords.
The school loan thing is fascinating too. Why would Saudis pay for Harvard?
He was born a Muslim. That's in Sharia. He claims he converted.
Why the Clintons didn't bits this open is beyond me.
But Trump is running with it. God bless him for that. When will the others
Question it?
This is scary too. If his benefactors or China sense America is going to elect
A stronger President, somebody might attack while we're weak.
(I hate stupid iPad!)
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I forgot something. I have a friend who actually went to High School w/Obama in Hawaii.
I never asked him what name he was using though, Soetero or Obama.
The name on the Hawaii short-form is Obama. So I think he was using that.
But there is a pretty good record that Obama attended High School in Hawaii.
So I think it's unlikely that he attended Occidental as a foreign exchange student.
But it's not unthinkable that he'd use fake SSN's for landlords. After all, he admitted
to snorting Cocaine back then.
About the Selective Service record, he may have neglected to register.
I never registered for Selective Service. But that's because I enlisted &
was Honorably Discharged from the Army.
Quite a few people don't register.
I thought -- oh yeah. Two tours in Vietnam and they're going to arrest me for not registering
for the draft? Bring it on.
BTW, I asked snopes.com to look into the different SSN's. Specifically I asked about his
SSN at the State Legislature & his SSN in the US Senate.
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I think people are speculating that he used Soetoro and claimed foreign status in College.
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I think people are speculating that he used Soetoro and claimed foreign status in College.
Probably not.
On the Occidental Website, there is this:
http://www.oxy.edu/x9783.xml
Feb. 18, 1981: Barack Obama '83 makes his first political speech at a South African divestment rally.
He's hiding something though. And Trump has not let go of this birth certificate thing.
I hope he's on to something. He's out on a limb. And he's the only candidate questioning it.
Something else, Trump has Roger Stone.
http://stonezone.com/
He's always been very good at stuff like this.
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Well, not in this lifetime anyway.
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Another issue I have with Trump, this guy would not have invaded Iraq. Saddam had the capability to build WMD and was secretive even after U.N. action, plus he murdered 2 million people and his sons raped school girls, and yet the Donald opposed the war. Poor judgment on his part, shame on him, and he won't get my vote.
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Another issue I have with Trump, this guy would not have invaded Iraq. Saddam had the capability to build WMD and was secretive even after U.N. action, plus he murdered 2 million people and his sons raped school girls, and yet the Donald opposed the war. Poor judgment on his part, shame on him, and he won't get my vote.
His position today is that since we liberated Iraq, it ought to be paying for it in oil.
I agree.
It appears we liberated Iraq free of charge. Now, they are governed by Shias sympathetic to Iran - not to us. And they are selling oil to the Chinese.
Trump's words:
"Are they paying us? Why aren't they paying us?"
Now we're helping another oil rich country, Libya free-of-charge. And Al Qaeda is on our side in this one.
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Trump & Ga-Daffy:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awz7YpMpO_k [/youtube]
:tongue:
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His position today is that since we liberated Iraq, it ought to be paying for it in oil.
I agree.
It appears we liberated Iraq free of charge. Now, they are governed by Shias sympathetic to Iran - not to us. And they are selling oil to the Chinese.
Trump's words:
Now we're helping another oil rich country, Libya free-of-charge. And Al Qaeda is on our side in this one.
Iraq is a young democracy, and we successfully over threw an evil regime and replaced it with an elected government. That government is far from perfect, but better than before. Rumsfeld lied when he said the war would pay for its self. The truth is, the Iraq has been a success and Donald Trump does not understand the different between right and wrong, nor does he understand foreign affairs. Not everything is about money.
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Trump on Iraq:
“Iraq now is a breeding ground for terrorists. It’s called the Harvard University of terrorism,†he said, adding, “We’ve totally de-neutered [Iraq], and as soon as we leave, Iran is going to take over the oil.
“But they won’t be doing it if I’m President. I can tell you right now...“They have $15 trillion worth of oil.
Why aren’t we taking our money back? Why aren’t we getting it back?â€
on Korea:
“South Korea. We send our ships to protect them. Do they pay us? They don’t pay us. Why are we protecting them, and if we’re going to protect them, why aren’t they paying us?â€
Trump on China:
Trump has special ire in his heart for China. “No single country has ever done to us what China is doing to us right now. I would institute a 25% tax on all products made in China.†Trump insists that the mere threat of such an excise tax may deter the Chinese from their avaricious appetite for manipulating currency and stealing technological secrets.
“I believe in free trade, but it has to be fair trade,†Trump stated emphatically. “We lose $300 billion a year dealing with China. That’s not the kind of free trade that I’m talking about.â€
Trump on OPEC:
“They wouldn’t even be there if it weren’t for us. We have soldiers in Saudi Arabia they don’t pay for.
Why aren’t they [paying for them]
Trump on Obama:
"I want him to show his birth certificate. I want him to show his birth certificate,
"There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like,"
Show me another Republican saying the same things -- I'll be happy to support that candidate.
It's pretty clear which Republican right now is not afraid to speak out on those issues.
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This will help the other candidates to also pursue a more direct confrontational approach against the 0dumbo machine. The Donalds approach on the Birth Cert will also go a long way towards easing the 'hands off' attitude most have had until now.
I believe all the candidates will bring their own 'flavor' to the stew. Emboldening one another. This is a good thing... no matter which one comes out on top.
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I agree. Even El-Rushbo is applauding him on that.
He's performing a public service & being a patriot here.
I hope he keeps pushing the China & tariffs issues too.
The real pressure will be on Trump to drop those.
And it will be unreported back-channel stuff.
I don't think GM, Wal-Mart, JP Morgan/Chase, HSBC, Goldman-Sachs are too worried about Obama's
birth papers or even if he's re-elected. But Trump is probably scaring the Hell out of them right now
with what he's saying about China, Korea & OPEC.
Imagine what the Central Committee of the Chicoms is thinking.
He's shaking things up and he hasn't even decided if he's going to run.
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Trump on Geraldo - March 26, 2011.
He's not backing down. For better or worse, he is staking his chances for the nomination
on this issue. I'd hate to see it blow up in his face. But I think he may know something.
Geraldo: "So what is your intention? How far are you going to press this?"
Trump: "Look Geraldo, if he's not born...and there is a chance, it might be small,
and it might not be so small. There is a chance that he wasn't born in this country.
Geraldo, if this were you...why wouldn't you show it? If it exists, why wouldn't you show it?
And then you end the issue. And frankly, I don't want to be right on this issue. I'm not even
certain I am right. I just want to see the birth certificate."
Geraldo: Don't you worry that it's a huge distraction from the issues that are pressing us
from every side?
Trump: "No I don't, because it's a very strong point that you have to be born in this country."
I don't think that's a huge disruption. I think you have to be born in this country."
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Notice Geraldo's facial expression throughout this. Is he confident here? Or is he worried?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1WV_RWExk[/youtube]
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Then watch Mike Huckabee try to weasel out of it when he follows up Trump.
No way I will vote for Huckabee.
And God bless Donald Trump! :yahoo:
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This will help the other candidates to also pursue a more direct confrontational approach against the 0dumbo machine. The Donalds approach on the Birth Cert will also go a long way towards easing the 'hands off' attitude most have had until now.
I believe all the candidates will bring their own 'flavor' to the stew. Emboldening one another. This is a good thing... no matter which one comes out on top.
We need a candidate that will take a confrontational approach to Obama's policies on spending, taxes, wealth distribution, energy and a host of other issues rather than a weak kneed wimp like McCain. A ball buster like Palin, Bachman or Cain would be nice.
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He's at it again.
Trump Releases Birth Certificate (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52064.html)
I'm glad Trump is opening this up. He's turned me into a Birther. But what's the end-game here?
I hope this doesn't drown out what he is saying about China & trade. That's the important part of his message AFAIC.
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Here is what I know about the law on this subject.
1. The short-form certificate refers to another document in the records.
2. If the record the short-form refers to is not there - then the short form has no legal basis. It's only an
extract or a summary of something else in the records.
3. If Obama were born outside the US and his grandmother managed to obtain a short-form birth certificate anyway,
(which is very plausible), Obama would basically be an undocumented immigrant. Some people wrongly use the term,
"illegal alien". (I won't address issues of document fraud here.)
4. The Federal agencies which handle this sort of thing, USCIS (formerly INS) & DOS (Department of State),
all accept short-form birth certificates as evidence of citizenship. They do not require more. And this is important -
if a state certifies the birth on a short-form - the Federal Government will not question the state's certification.
5. Think about that. Is Hawaii going to backtrack and declare the short-form birth certificate is invalid?
Their Governor was a friend of Obama's parents! And unless the state de-certifies his birth, there is no
cause for a Federal agency to question it.
6. Also, Birth can also be proven under US law by affidavit, two persons with personal knowledge of the event
swear they were alive, and had knowledge of the birth at the time it occurred. So a legal loophole may exist,
that the short-form refers to other evidence, not a hospital-generated long form.
7. If the GOP got some courage, a House committee could subpoena the Hawaii archive on material on Obama.
Don't expect that to happen any time soon.
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Add it all up. Trump and the Birthers are still a long, long way from proving their case.
Even IF they show there is no long form, what then?
You'll have a gaggle of witnesses, all claiming they had personal knowledge of Obama's birth in Hawaii.
No doubt, they'll be lying.
The most plausible hypothesis I've heard is that he was born elsewhere. His Mom flew back with the baby
and wasn't questioned. His grandmother & Mom wanted to avoid paperwork hassles for school or with immigration.
So they were able to obtain a short-form birth certificate. There is no long-form in the record.
He wasn't born at either hospital on the island.
Trump's a bull dog on this. That's great. But I hope it doesn't become a side-show.
What Trump is saying about China & US trade policy is too important. Our kids get out of college
and they can't find jobs. Something has to change. And he's the only candidate with a plan to save this country.
That's what attracted me to his message - not the birth certificate issue. This controversy gets him some votes
and media attention. But I hope it doesn't drown out his real message.
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Everybody needs to watch this.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/
The United States has been the nursemaid for the world's squalling brats - always on call.
Always passing out free milk. With Obama, it's chocolate milk.
We go in. We conquer and then we hand it to people we don't even know.
Now who are the people who are going to be running Iraq?
The person who hates the United States the most will be running Iraq.
So in a nutshell, we go in. We take over the second-largest oil fields
and we stay."
Or at least they pay us with oil for liberating them.
"Are they paying us? Why aren't they paying us?"
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/
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Everybody needs to watch this.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/
The United States has been the nursemaid for the world's squalling brats - always on call.
Always passing out free milk. With Obama, it's chocolate milk.
Or at least they pay us with oil for liberating them.
"Are they paying us? Why aren't they paying us?"
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/
We have already gotten a screw job on the oil lease bidding in Iraq. The Chinese and EU got most of them because of the very low amount of profit if any that they will receive from production rather than price. The government will pay them a couple of dollars a barrel. Large American companies like EXXON did not bid. We get our boys killed, spend billions and this is the thanks we get. I think we should just go take the oil from these sorry bastards.
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This will help the other candidates to also pursue a more direct confrontational approach against the 0dumbo machine. The Donalds approach on the Birth Cert will also go a long way towards easing the 'hands off' attitude most have had until now.
I believe all the candidates will bring their own 'flavor' to the stew. Emboldening one another. This is a good thing... no matter which one comes out on top.
Don't hold your breath:
Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, a likely GOP presidential candidate next year, said today on MSNBC's Morning Joe, "I, for one, do not believe that we should be raising that issue. ... I think President Obama was born in the United States."
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The Donald:
"Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen. Now he's in Libya,
he's in Afghanistan. He's in Iraq....You're talking at me like I'm a war-monger. This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look,
he's going into another country. "
:hammer:
God bless the Donald. I pray a miracle happens. Can you imagine him debating Obama?
I think Rupert Murdoch wants to hush Trump up on China. O'Reilly is trying to keep him away from the subject.
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From what we can see (above), Pawlenty's in the tank on the birth certificate and so is Huckabee.
They had a chance to say something. They crawfished away from the issue.
I'm giving Palin some credit for talking about China in her India speech. But right now AFAIC, Trump is the only one telling it like it is.
I expect good things from Bachmann. But I think of those three, Trump can win the General Election. I'm not sure about Palin or Bachmann.
He's shaking up everything and he hasn't even decided if he's running.
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1. "25% Tax on China unless they behave."
2. You stay and you keep the oil. (Iraq)
3. "China and OPEC are destroying our country.".
4. "Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen!" :hammer:
5. "I mean what, can I do worse?....This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look, he's going into another country." :rotf:
:cheersmate: [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYrZOaLTS7Y[/youtube]
O'Reilly: But you're threatening China with a trade war.
Trump: Bill, they're threatening us.
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OMG, I don't think you are going to hear a politician say another great quote like that for years.
This might be the best two lines of the 2012 campaign. And the guy hasn't even announced.
"Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen!
"I mean what, can I do worse?....This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look, he's going into another country."
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1. "25% Tax on China unless they behave."
2. You stay and you keep the oil. (Iraq)
3. "China and OPEC are destroying our country.".
4. "Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen!" :hammer:
5. "I mean what, can I do worse?....This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look, he's going into another country." :rotf:
:cheersmate: [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYrZOaLTS7Y[/youtube]***
OMG, I don't think you are going to hear a politician say another great quote like that for years.
This might be the best two lines of the 2012 campaign. And the guy hasn't even announced.
About the birthers, in the state of Maine my poor old Mother , because of her age had to take a eye exam and a driving test to renew her drivers license, ---no problem there but as she was renewing a license's she had held of 50+ YEARS SHE ALSO HAD TO SUBMIT HER BIRTH CIRTIFICATE.
Not the certificate of live birth but the long form that gave information on the number of births the mother had, her mothers maiden name her place of work, her fathers job at the time, the hospital she was born at and the Doctors name who delivered her. The address the parents were living at when she was born in 1921.
Now I went a looking for my NO. 2 sons birth certificate born in Hawaii, same deal, same information as to what was on my Moms birth certificate, date and time of his birth, Hospital, name of doctor delivering him, name of father and his military service number, my job as NONE-loved that one--both the places of birth for myself and hubby ETC. If you are checking out genology here is where to find out where the great grand parents were born and what they were doing when ones grandmother was born.
About Trump far as I can see this Dude has too much money to be bribed, he has fallen and got right back up and come about a better man.
He knows the worse of the worse in the scams and knows how to put them at a disadvantage. Trump is a very dangerous man, he can smell a scam from half a world away.
I believe in this time and day he can if President with his experience in economy actually make a big change in the world. There is no way he would have become involved with Lybia without a money transfer from the Arab states to compensate us for the money we are now spending for a ---NON WAR.
This man is a business man and powers about the globe understand this . When country's have disasters and come crying for help, he will first look at the Country's stash in banks that the leaders do not want to spend on their country's, let others pay for their misery.
Yupo we nee a cold calculating man to lead us to victory, one that places the country first above any party or give a rats ass about serving another 4 years in office. Trump has the balls, the money and the ability to do so.
Now about those that remark on his hair style, good grief, should we not have Lincon as president for his facial appearance ?????
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Vesta111: "Trump is a very dangerous man, he can smell a scam from half a world away. "
Great line! :cheersmate:
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Trump's carrying a big bat in all his interviews, I hope he keeps swinging :yahoo:
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Trump's carrying a big bat in all his interviews, I hope he keeps swinging :yahoo:
He's on Mike Savage's show a lot too. :-)
Here is another interview with Michael Savage the other night.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNahut6XfQ[/youtube]
(Starts around 17:35)
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Savage will let him speak. O'Reilly was trying to hush him up about China and OPEC.
O'Reilly was really a weasel when Trump talked foreign about China and OPEC on his second show this week.
Look for more of that. I expect Rupert Murdoch to try to hush him up on China. He's married to a young
Chinese woman and makes a lot of money there.
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Savage will let him speak. O'Reilly was trying to hush him up about China and OPEC.
O'Reilly was really a weasel when Trump talked foreign about China and OPEC on his second show this week.
Look for more of that. I expect Rupert Murdoch to try to hush him up on China. He's married to a young
Chinese woman and makes a lot of money there.
Yeah,....O'Reilly lost my respect a long time ago. (Actually, when he did the "interview" with the imposter.) He's gone soft on Obozo. We can't afford to do that. The communist community is KILLING this Country and what it stands for. :censored:
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Here's my take - I'm sure I'll get some negatives, but I've thought about it.
There are some very intelligent, long term thinkers in the upper echelons of the Republican party.
I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.
I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.
I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.
They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.
Debt will doom the next President.
After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.
If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.
The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.
The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.
The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.
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Here's my take - I'm sure I'll get some negatives, but I've thought about it.
There are some very intelligent, long term thinkers in the upper echelons of the Republican party.
I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.
I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.
I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.
They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.
Debt will doom the next President.
After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.
If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.
The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.
The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.
The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.
What kind of long-term thinking is it to kill your party? Do you honestly believe that the GOP rank and file will stay with them if they decide to not seriously contend for 2012?
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What kind of long-term thinking is it to kill your party? Do you honestly believe that the GOP rank and file will stay with them if they decide to not seriously contend for 2012?
Intriguing idea from Cats...
Perhaps the "rest of the story" is there doesn't appear to be a viable Republican candidate yet --- and while there are several threads here in CC on just that theme and I don't mean to bring that around here, Cats has a very intriguing theme on several fronts.
There is about 30% of the voting bloc that will automatically vote for Zord Lero no matter what happens, anywhere. That's a helluva lot of inertia for the Repubs to overcome in putting a Republican in the WH in 2013.
Couple that with the rest of what Cats said, and you've got mega-gridlock, which serves to drag the Prez down every bit as much as it does the Congress -- that is, if the Repubs can get their heads out of their asses long enough to manipulate the MSM to the extent they must.
As Congress' approval rating is, what, about 11% now, what does the Repubs stand to lose by shutting the gov't down once or twice?
A lame duck Obama, essentially powerless, in his second term, might be a viable option in solidifying the Repub base in both houses of Congress AND begin grooming 2 or 3 exceptional candidates for 2016.
One of the things I'm cringing about, besides the fact Zord Lero is occupying real estate he has not earned, is SCOTUS. Kennedy has said he won't retire as long as LZ is in office, but maybe he'd change his tune if Zero were reelected.
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I've lived outside the US several years. (Don't wanna specify where. It's somewhere on the BIG continent though).
So I have no unique insight into US politics. Every candidate I've ever ever liked has lost.
I can tell you this. The one candidate whom ALL of the expats are talking about is Trump.
I'm back in the US for a visit & I'm going to ask people here about it.
Trump would sure as Hell win the expat vote though, whatever party he ran in.
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BTW, I can't believe the Imam Barack is even going to run again.
Is America really so far gone that he has a shot at winning?
I know he ran once. But Dubya is gone now.
Obamao can't get away with that same glorious annointed, man child schtick twice.
He's an empty suit bag. He's not even an empty suit.
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A good article in The America Thinker about Trump this week.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/trump_in_2012_maybe_not_such_a.html
I agree with the writer. If Trump runs - I think we will look back at his raising the birth certificate issue
on "The View" as a historic moment. No other candidate would have dared try it. Trump did it -- brilliantly.
The gals could not hound him off the stage. The news media can't destroy him.
It would be a gross understatement to describe 'The View' as Obama-friendly. Yet just this past week while making an appearance on it, Trump did what no other Republican, much less a Republican with presidential aspirations, would so much as think of doing: he unabashedly expressed his skepticism concerning Obama's birth certificate. With a single utterance, the Donald in effect legitimized a group of people whose concern for this very same issue earned them the scornful name of "birthers" and rendered them a collective object of derision by left-wing pundits as well as such "respectable" right-leaning personalities as Bill O'Reilly and Michael Medved. And what Trump did for this issue, he will be able to do with any number of issues that McCain and the GOP establishment sought (and continue to seek) to avoid like the plague.
This is the point: there is simply no way that anyone can succeed in depicting someone as internationally famous as Donald Trump as a fringe figure. This, obviously, isn't to suggest that Trump would be anything at all like an invulnerable candidate; no one is without weaknesses. But Trump's enemies (among the establishments of both parties) will simply not be able to dismiss him as an "extremist."
Finally, there are enough disenchanted Democrats, along with similarly disenchanted independents and Republicans, who would be more than willing to give Trump their ears. When this Washington outsider -- indeed, outsider to politics! -- promises that upon his election to the presidency, "business as usual" in Washington will become a thing of the past, they will have good reason to believe it.
Trump in 2012? This may not be such a bad thing.
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I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.
I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.
I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.
They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.
Debt will doom the next President.
After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.
If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.
The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.
The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.
The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.
With high unemployment and a weak economy, Obama stands little chance of getting re-elected. Independents have left the Democrats in droves. He will get the black and liberal vote. However, the enthusiasm from the younger generation will not be there cause many of them are unemployed. They got the change part but the hope part is in the toilet.
In two years, Obama has passed legislation many economic and social changes that have or will affect our lives in the present and in the future. If he did nothing for the remainder of his term, he would be heralded as the greatest liberal mover and shaker since LBJ. FYI, he can govern by executive order and bypass Congress on many issues. Regulations have thwarted the private sector from investing and job creation.
6 more of Obama will ensure our debt will double and every penny collected will go to the debt. The Feds will just print more money and tack it on to the debt. Waiting for Repubs to take over the W.H. will be a disaster even if the Repubs control both houses. Like I said, a President can rule by executive order and the Congress can not block him on a number of issues such as Env. and energy regulations and road blocks for job creations.
My take on Obama is that he is hell bent on bringing the US down to the same level of economic and political policies of EU nations like France. Six more years of his rule will accomplish just that in my opinion.
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I'm watching Trump & his family Oprah right now.
I've never watched that b*tch before. :argh:
Everybody is kissy, kissy. Not one word about the birth certificate.
And Oprah is so nice to him.
That's pretty damned amazing. He questions Imam Barack's birth in America,
and Oprah celebrates his family on TV.
Wow! :popcorn:
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Trump has as much chance being elected president as he does being elected pope
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Trump has as much chance being elected president as he does being elected pope
Oh I think he could win the General Election against Obama easily.
It would take a miracle for the GOP to nominate him though.
Trump gets a lot of cross-over appeal. That works against him in a GOP state primary
that doesn't allow cross-over voting.
Obama barely leads Trump
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/poll-obama-barely-leads-trump-in-2012-mathcups.php
I don't place a lot of credence in Harris polls. But his latest one with Farleigh-Dickenson has Trump
leading all GOP candidates.
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/donald-trumps-leads-latest-harris-poll/#ixzz1IEdwyeSG
That doesn't translate into GOP primaries though.
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Here's my take - I'm sure I'll get some negatives, but I've thought about it.
There are some very intelligent, long term thinkers in the upper echelons of the Republican party.
I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.
I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.
I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.
They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.
Debt will doom the next President.
After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.
If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.
The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.
The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.
The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.
I can see how you would get there from what we see publicly, but I think even if they thought that way a year ago, any deep thinkers who are not simply dedicated to Democrat power and Keynesian economics at any cost have to have had a come-to-Jesus experience concerning the looming debt disaster over the past year.
During the past year, particularly with the unrest and instability in the debt-burdened Mediterranean EU countries, it has begun to appear that the damage of continuing current policies beyond 2012 (To the extent that they even could be called consciously-chosen policies, rather than a horrifying collection of cascading unintended consequences) may be so catastrophic as to be unrecoverable for a generation.
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Stuart Rothenberg tells us we can't even consider voting for Trump.
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_105/rothenberg-trump-2012-stupid-idea-funny-204584-1.html?pos=hbtxt
I guess that settles it.
Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, Trump has surged to 2nd place behind Romney.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/donald-trumps-support-surges-in-new-hampshire-25-ncx-20110405
And almost all of that comes Romney's expense. He's the anti-Romney.
Surprisingly, he's polling #3 in Iowa.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html
There's something happening out there.
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Stuart Rothenberg tells us we can't even consider voting for Trump.
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_105/rothenberg-trump-2012-stupid-idea-funny-204584-1.html?pos=hbtxt
I guess that settles it.
Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, Trump has surged to 2nd place behind Romney.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/donald-trumps-support-surges-in-new-hampshire-25-ncx-20110405
And almost all of that comes Romney's expense. He's the anti-Romney.
Surprisingly, he's polling #3 in Iowa.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html
There's something happening out there.
I for one am glad he is stirring the pot up. Don't think he has a chance at winning the nomination but he has a forceable and aggressive personality which is lacking with most of the weak kneeded critters in Congress. I think he could beat Obama handily. But I also see any Republican beating the Magic Negro. The thrill of Obama has sunk like a lead balloon.
I would vote for Trump but I will stay home if Romney gets the nomination. Romney is a slick liberal trying to make us think he is a conservative. I fell for that crap with McCain but not this time around.
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I for one am glad he is stirring the pot up. Don't think he has a chance at winning the nomination but he has a forceable and aggressive personality which is lacking with most of the weak kneeded critters in Congress. I think he could beat Obama handily. But I also see any Republican beating the Magic Negro. The thrill of Obama has sunk like a lead balloon.
I would vote for Trump but I will stay home if Romney gets the nomination. Romney is a slick liberal trying to make us think he is a conservative. I fell for that crap with McCain but not this time around.
Agree. Hard to see how he can be nominated.
But wow! Something is happening out there.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/04/06/wsjnbc-poll-a-donald-trump-surprise/
I watched NBC News tonight. The MSM are going to try to impale him on the 'Birther' issue.
I get the impression he's being set up.
Other candidates are picking up his message though. Cain became a Birther.
Huntsman made a feeble attempt to be 'tough on China'.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/world/asia/07china.html
Personally, I don't care much about what China does to its own people.
I care about what it's doing to my people.
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Just what we need....a bad combover for president.
It's better than what we have now.
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Just watched this interview of Trump by Meredith Vierra-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110407/ts_yblog_thecutline/trump-brings-media-blitz-to-nbc-steamrolls-meredith-vieira-on-birther-issue
I am beginning to like this guy. Honestly I don't know all that much about him beyond the tabloid coverage over the years. I don't yet have a feel for who he really is but I am keeping an open mind. He's got my attention and lately I like what he's got to say.
I loved the expressions of outrage that flashed across her face throughout the whole exchange. Whaddya bet she went home after this and filled the bath tub with ice cubes? Oh noes!!!!
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The DUmptards are watching this one too-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4804523&mesg_id=4804523
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The DUmptards are watching this one too-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4804523&mesg_id=4804523
Good. Let them watch and weep.
I love it. About time someone put some teeth into the birth certificate issue. Trump and his "investigators" have found some "interesting things" about this subject.
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Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.
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Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.
I think the present one in the W.H. has that nailed down.
I doubt that he will run but he sure has stirred up a hornet nest. Many people think that if Obama was not born in the US, she would have used it against him. I don't think so even if it is true because blacks would have been pissed off at her. They would have stayed home in droves, and a sizeable loss of the black vote would have doomed her campaign. I don't look for Hillary to run in 012 also.
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As long as he's investigating I hope he goes after the college records. I'd say make him a czar in the next administration...something like czar of Asian and Middle Eastern financial interests.
I'm not sure about the whole being born somewhere else but I'm pretty sure 0 has something to hide. I'd still like to see a Palin/Cain or Palin/West ticket just to watch the left twist their little sexist/racist selves in a knot.
Cindie
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Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.
Mentally disabled people aren't heavy in the ranks of billionaires.
The man brought up several points here, apart from the birth issue.
Please define your take on the definition of "Birther".
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Mentally disabled people aren't heavy in the ranks of billionaires.
The man brought up several points here, apart from the birth issue.
Please define your take on the definition of "Birther".
Not many dumb opportunists around either. To be an opportunist, one has to at least be smart enough to spot an opportunity.
I have never seen a non-campaign run better than Trump's thus far. He's gone from zero up to 20+% in NH.
He's tied for second among candidates nationwide.
Dumb?
Nah.
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Just what we need....a bad combover for president.
Well a bad comb over is better than the enthusiastic bend over we get now. And those he submits to don't even give us the courtesy of a reach-around. America gets screwed and we don't even get our rocks off.
Cindie
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Since Trump is 1 of the few, actually the only 1 in the Republican Party with enough cajones to ask the right questions, then someone needs to bring up to Trump Obama's college transcripts being sealed.
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Since Trump is 1 of the few, actually the only 1 in the Republican Party with enough cajones to ask the right questions, then someone needs to bring up to Trump Obama's college transcripts being sealed.
I think the real damage/fraud perpetrated by the Magic Negro is hidden in those college admission applications regarding his religion and birthplace. He was probably born in the US but lied on the applications.
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If The issue continues, I think we will hear something to the effect that his long-form birth certificate was lost during the transition to digital copies. I don't think there is a long-form in the records.
I'm betting it's not there.
I honestly don't know where he was born. It doesn't make sense that his Mom would want to give birth in Kenya, where her Muslim Husband already had a wife waiting and where his father was adamantly against the mixed-race marriage. But who knows?
The Imam Barack has written two autobiographies. In them, there is a narrative that pins him down. That is probably what he is hiding, the holes in his plot. Opening up his college records and medical records will undermine his narrative. I hope it's something jucier. For instance, he bears no resemblance to his short, dark Kenyan father. Could it be the guy isn't his Dad at all?
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. In them, there is a narrative that pins him down. That is probably what he is hiding, the holes in his plot. Opening up his college records and medical records will undermine his narrative. I hope it's something jucier. For instance, he bears no resemblance to his short, dark Kenyan father. Could it be the guy isn't his Dad at all?
Trump has the connections and the money to dig deep into what Obama is hiding. It is pissing off the liberals and his worshipers which is a good thing.
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Mentally disabled people aren't heavy in the ranks of billionaires.
The man brought up several points here, apart from the birth issue.
Please define your take on the definition of "Birther".
First of all, there are plenty of crazy rich people. Trump just happens to be famous, and he is a nutty narcissist who does not give a darn about the country.
Trump has some wacky ideas that are unrealistic with regards to foreign affairs. Have us take over the oil in Iraq? How about we focus on drilling more here instead of spending more over there, we had every right to go into Iraq but that does not mean we should take their oil, we liberated them from a brutal dictator who took their god given rights and freedoms.
My definition of a birther is someone who believes the President was not born in the U.S. Obama has been a bad president, and Trump should focus on that not some petty issue that has been resolved already.
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First of all, there are plenty of crazy rich people. Trump just happens to be famous, and he is a nutty narcissist who does not give a darn about the country.
Trump has some wacky ideas that are unrealistic with regards to foreign affairs. Have us take over the oil in Iraq? How about we focus on drilling more here instead of spending more over there, we had every right to go into Iraq but that does not mean we should take their oil, we liberated them from a brutal dictator who took their god given rights and freedoms.
My definition of a birther is someone who believes the President was not born in the U.S. Obama has been a bad president, and Trump should focus on that not some petty issue that has been resolved already.
We liberated Iraq so that Iran could dominate it. And both of them can sell all their oil to China.
Perfect. Americans are generous to a fault. (Remember: Iraq is 70% Shia - like Iran).
Iraq owes the US big-time. We need to take it in oil. Or else we blockade their ports
and destroy their pipelines to make sure that oil doesn't go to our enemies Iran & China.
Help the Rebels in Libya? No problem. They pay us in oil. Help Qaddafi? No problem.
He pays us in oil.
Trump is right AFAIC. We can't afford this s*it anymore. It's time to take care of America first.
I personally wish he'd go lightly on the Birther issue, at least until he gets nominated.
But this hasn't been 'settled'. It won't be settled as long as Imam Barack refuses to
release his records.
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Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.
WRONG!!
I bet he does WAY better job than the imam in the white mosque we currently have. :wink:
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We liberated Iraq so that Iran could dominate it. And both of them can sell all their oil to China.
Perfect. Americans are generous to a fault. (Remember: Iraq is 70% Shia - like Iran).
Iraq owes the US big-time. We need to take it in oil. Or else we blockade their ports
and destroy their pipelines to make sure that oil doesn't go to our enemies Iran & China.
Help the Rebels in Libya? No problem. They pay us in oil. Help Qaddafi? No problem.
He pays us in oil.
Trump is right AFAIC. We can't afford this s*it anymore. It's time to take care of America first.
I personally wish he'd go lightly on the Birther issue, at least until he gets nominated.
But this hasn't been 'settled'. It won't be settled as long as Imam Barack refuses to
release his records.
BINGO! Well played.
No wonder why Savage has Trump on his show all. Savage says/thinks the same exact thing.
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There's a piece on RedState today about Trump--it's in the Member Diaries. From the second sentence to the end of the first paragraph, it reads . . .
Trump is feisty, decisive, not a bit afraid of a fight, and extremely knowledgeable about money. And that’s what it’s all about. A total political outsider who tells it like it is and is well aware of the nature of the crisis we’re in.
Haven't we heard lately that the debt is going to be the national security problem of the future?
Incredibly egocentric, to be sure. But you don't get to his level of success without being egotistical. And what's the ultimate job for an egomaniac? President of the United States.
Just sayin' . . .
Oh--the link to that piece on RedState:
http://www.redstate.com/skipmaclure/2011/04/13/trump%e2%80%a6-the-patriot-favorite/
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Trump is feisty, decisive, not a bit afraid of a fight, and extremely knowledgeable about money. And that’s what it’s all about. A total political outsider who tells it like it is and is well aware of the nature of the crisis we’re in.
Money = power, right?! Maybe we'll regain our power again.
A total political outsider. That's EXACTLY who we need. Not someone that is already "in the system" and will fall in step with what's going on in the "current" American government.
Those are just my opinions. I have yet to hear a candidate better than Trump so far.
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Money = power, right?! Maybe we'll regain our power again.
A total political outsider. That's EXACTLY who we need. Not someone that is already "in the system" and will fall in step with what's going on in the "current" American government.
Those are just my opinions. I have yet to hear a candidate better than Trump so far.
Then you haven't listened to Herman Cain.
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Then you haven't listened to Herman Cain.
I am familiar with him. I have heard him on Cavuto last year, but not recently.
I still like all the points that Trump makes.
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Trump was on Hannity tonight and will be on for a second session Friday night. I like what he has to say so far. I wish he would ditch the birther issue though. Makes him sound like a kook if he does not have any proof.
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Trump was on Hannity tonight and will be on for a second session Friday night. I like what he has to say so far. I wish he would ditch the birther issue though. Makes him sound like a kook if he does not have any proof.
With Trump hammering the 'birther' issue as hard as he does, if he gets called by the LSM on it, all he has to say is that he has as much proof in the birther flap as the LSM has in going after Sarah Palin for whatever their "Story of the Month" on her happens to be.
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With Trump hammering the 'birther' issue as hard as he does, if he gets called by the LSM on it, all he has to say is that he has as much proof in the birther flap as the LSM has in going after Sarah Palin for whatever their "Story of the Month" on her happens to be.
That may be true. However, lest not lose sight of the fact that Repubs can not win the Presidency without a majority of Independents. Most of them are more interested in the economy, jobs, inflation, gas prices, debt, fighting 3 wars, abortion than they are about the birther issue. Trump should just let the birther issue die out unless he has proof positive that would be damaging. I think there is a lot more dirt on those college school applications.
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I really do appreciate trump showing republicans how its done on the birther issue. Or ... any issue for that matter. It doesnt have to be the birther issue. But Stinky needs to attacked head on. Not, hedged around. Or tip-toed around. Or whatever ...
But ... having said that. Be aware of this. Trump is no conservative. Not even maybe. Thats why he wont go anywhere that will require him to answer tough questions on other issues. Why? Because he has a record... as far as who he has supported in the past. And .. who he has not supported and who he has outright trashed.
Trump in 2007: No President can be worse than Bush
Trump in 2007: I don’t understand how the Dems lost the 2004 election
Trump in 2008: Bush should be impeached; I’m impressed with Pelosi
During the Tea party battle he gave:
$2000 to Anthony Weiner (D) in Feb 2010
$400 (in the primary) and $1600 (in the general election) to Chuck Schumer (D) in Dec 2009
$2300 and $1700 to Hillary Clinton (D) in Dec 2009
$2400 x2 to Charlie Crist (I) in Oct 2009 - for Senate - against Marco Rubio
$2000 to Schumer (D) in May 2009
$2400 to the Harry Reid (D) campaign
Did you know hes stated (in his own book) that we must have universal health care akin to the Canadian style universal health care system?
He repeatedly stated (when Bush was President) he thought that Bush was the worst president ever. And that he should be impeached (for the war). He was very disappointed that Nancy Pelosi (who he really likes) didnt press harder on impeachment. He called Bush incompetent and evil. Later on he praised Obama as 'amazing' (as in wonderfully amazing). Of course now he thinks Stinky is the worst.
Now he trashes Paul Ryan for his budget proposal.
Theres more. But dont be bamboozled by an entertaining, charismatic, slick talking busness man. This should be enough to tip most conservatives off as to where Trump might really 'stand' on the other issues he dosent want to get near with a ten foot pole.
Something to consider. More to unfold as the elections near.
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Still too early to tell, but I like what I've heard from Trump already. Run the Country like a business, not an empire. His stance on China is AWESOME! His stance on the South Koreans getting free protection from us while they should be paying for it, is AWESOME.
Still too early to tell yet.
I agree. Unfortunately, he's the only candidate talking about it too.
Screw Korea. Screw China. Make the a**holes pay.
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I agree. Unfortunately, he's the only candidate talking about it too.
Screw Korea. Screw China. Make the a**holes pay.
I totally agree. You won't hear this from any of the ones already in Congress. They're bought and sold for already, unfortunately.
This Country is broke financially, we can't afford to give out "freebies" any more.
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I totally agree. You won't hear this from any of the ones already in Congress. They're bought and sold for already, unfortunately.
This Country is broke financially, we can't afford to give out "freebies" any more.
And the next civil war starts when the "takers" find that out. :(
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Donald Trump's dished dollars to Clinton, Rangel, Kerry, Reid, Lautenberg, Schumer and more Dems (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/04/16/2011-04-16_donald_trumps_dished_dollars_to_clinton_rangel_kerry_reid_lautenberg_schumer_and.html)
Tea Party darling and "birther" blowhard Donald Trump hasn't always put his money where his mouth is: The Donald has splashed campaign cash on a "Who's Who" of liberal pols.
Trump shot to the top of GOP presidential polls by embracing debunked conspiracies about President Obama's birthplace — but he repeatedly has opened his fat checkbook for a slew of Democratic stars, a review by the Center for Responsive Politics found.
The all-time apple of Trump's eye is beleaguered Harlem Rep. Charlie Rangel, the once powerful ex-head of the tax-writing Ways & Means Committee — and a GOP bogeyman. >>>
Former Sen. Hillary Clinton collected just $700 — but also got a gold seal of approval.
"She's very talented and she has a husband [ex-President Bill Clinton] that I also like very much," Trump gushed to CNN in 1997. >>>
But just a few months ago Trump spent big bucks to help beat back one of the Tea Party's most celebrated 2010 Senate hopefuls — Nevada's Sharron Angle.
Trump handed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) $4,800 to help him win that race — boosting his total handouts to Reid to $10,400.
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I wonder if he has ever supported a conservative? I guess the greasy Trump is what makes the wheels turn for both liberal NY democrats and 'moderate' republicans.
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Why Trump is no Ross Perot (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/04/why-trump-no-ross-perot)
With a few polls starting to show Donald Trump at or near the top of the Republican presidential field, we're starting to see more pundits evaluate him seriously as a candidate. This is a mistake.
Early polls in a presidential election are mainly a reflection of name recognition, a fact that plays right into the hands of a celebrity and master self-publicist such as Trump. Were he actually decide to run, Trump would sink in the polls once his past views were held up to scrutiny and conservative voters were reminded of his tabloid personal life. As Slate's Dave Weigel unearthed, back when he flirted with a presidential run in 2000, he called for a confiscatory tax hike and advocated Candadian-style socialized medicine. This, along with his anti-free trade economic views, led the Club for Growth to blast him this morning as a liberal.
Other analysts have tried to compare his potential to Ross Perot in 1992, perhaps if he ends up running as an independent. Yet there are key differences between the two men. Whereas Perot was a self-made billionaire, Trump inherited a fortune from his father and declared bankruptcy several times. While Perot was a folksy Texan who could pull off a certain everyman appeal despite his enormous wealth, Trump is an arrogrant, in your face, born and bred New Yorker. >>>
I can't predict precisely how long this Trump for president fad will last, but it's destined to fizzle.
The only thing, if any, that we can glean from the Trump boomlet is how unimpressed most Republican voters are with the rest of the GOP presidential field. But we kind of knew that already.
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Trump spends many hundreds of thousands on liberal Democrats, is against the policies of the likes of Scott Walker and Paul Ryan, and supports public employee unions and the welfare entitlement state. Its almost like Trump is running against Stinky for the Democratic ticket rather than the Republican. He would be a much better fit running against Obama in the primary than either a republican or independent. And there are tons of Hillary type dems that would prefer Trump over Obama.
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Trump in 2007: No President can be worse than Bush
Trump in 2007: I don’t understand how the Dems lost the 2004 election
Trump in 2008: Bush should be impeached; I’m impressed with Pelosi
During the Tea party battle he gave:
$2000 to Anthony Weiner (D) in Feb 2010
$400 (in the primary) and $1600 (in the general election) to Chuck Schumer (D) in Dec 2009
$2300 and $1700 to Hillary Clinton (D) in Dec 2009
$2400 x2 to Charlie Crist (I) in Oct 2009 - for Senate - against Marco Rubio
$2000 to Schumer (D) in May 2009
$2400 to the Harry Reid (D) campaign
I've got a real problem with all that shit, and I cannot become enthused about Trump. I'm looking for some principles, damn it.
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I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.
The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.
I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.
Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.
Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.
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I don't even know why people are taking Trump seriously. I'd never ever ever EVER vote for the guy.
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Thoughtful series of anti-Trump articles at Daily Caller.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/why-trump-is-leading-and-what-it-really-means/2/
The establishment is really worried about this guy.
Trump is now in a position where he could be extremely dangerous. Conservatives are aching for someone with the gonads to take it to Obama and really shake things up in Washington if he happens to win. Many are so fed up that they are willing to jump on almost any bandwagon that even appears to be headed in that direction, even if the driver, like Trump, is totally unreliable. Others have given up to the point where they may be backing Trump simply for the entertainment value (heck, if the ship is sinking you might as well make sure there is some fun music playing on the deck as it goes down).
Until a better candidate co-opts his view on China and trade, he's got my vote.
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The establishment is really worried about this guy.
Until a better candidate co-opts his view on China and trade, he's got my vote.
And on OPEC as well.No one else seems to be addressing these issues.
I hate to bring up the birther issue, but it is important and he seems to be bringing it up a bit and has people looking into it.
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The guy is for a "Canadian style health care platform". Would you still vote for him?
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I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.
The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.
I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.
Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.
Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.
Fred Thompson would disagree with you.
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Thoughtful series of anti-Trump articles at Daily Caller.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/why-trump-is-leading-and-what-it-really-means/2/
The establishment is really worried about this guy.
Until a better candidate co-opts his view on China and trade, he's got my vote.
I think he is enjoying the spotlight, and his candidness at hitting this Administration with a lot of questions that regular people think and talk about is actually refreshing.
Would he make a good president? probably not. There is a difference being the CEO of a company where everyone is your minion and does your becking. That doesn't work in the White House. Congress is a whole other kettle of fish. Just hard talk doesn't translate to votes for legislation.
I am still not convinced he is running, but he is stirring up the Republic to ready them for the presidential election cycle. What's not to love there?
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The guy is for a "Canadian style health care platform". Would you still vote for him?
If the Donald is the last guy standing and gets the nomination, then yes I will vote for him.
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The guy is for a "Canadian style health care platform". Would you still vote for him?
My issues are 2nd Amendment, national security (China), and the economy (China).
It doesn't bother me so much that he's contributed to Liberal Dems or that he was for single payer.
It WOULD bother me a lot if he couldn't beat Obama.
The country is in trouble. China is already planning for a naval confrontation with missiles, in the Pacific around 2020.
That wouldn't happen if Trump were Prez. And not one candidate is even mentioning the dangers the US faces.
Historically, this period reminds me a lot of the pre-Pearl Harbor & pre-9/11 periods in the US.
The United States is at war -- now. Trump gets it. China gets it.
Unfortunately, no other candidate seems to to.
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I personally think the other potential candidates are laying low until this winter or early 2012 for a reason. I just figured most conservatives are against Obamacare, so why support a man who wants single payer health care? It doesn't make sense to me. To be honest, it sounds like single payer is okay if there is an R after his name, but not okay with a D after his name. I'm not saying that's what you think, just what it seems from my point of view.
I like Celebrity Apprentice and the way Trump thinks on that show, but I just do not think he is good for America. We do not need a celebrity President. Don't we already have one?
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If the Donald is the last guy standing and gets the nomination, then yes I will vote for him.
Yeah, me too. Again. *sigh*
Over the past few weeks, I've taken a careful look at Trump. I've read gurn's gushing about Trump (and his later semi-retractions of same). And I've seen him on a steady parade of TV punditcasts.
Conclusion?
Donald Trump is a magnificent self-promoter, even more successful at it than Ann Coulter is in promoting herself.
Kinda wondering what Trump's personal coffers are doing with this latest publicity barrage and rumors concerning his "running for president". Can anybody say "Ka-CHING!"?
I think all that's bullshit. The only thing that Trump is interested in is money. And himself.
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... The only thing that Trump is interested in is money. And himself.
Correct, except for the order.
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We do not need a celebrity President. Don't we already have one?
Reagan was a celebrity president. Thompson would have been one also. Thompson totally blew timing though on entering the race.
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I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.
The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.
I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.
Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.
Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.
I agree - the heavy-hitters won't be announcing until late-summer or fall.
The Republicans that are trolling around Iowa already are not very likely to win: Santorum, Pawlenty, Bachmann, Gingrich, Cain.
Now things can obviously change. There are things from each of these candidates that I like, but I can't see any of them getting the nomination.
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Reagan was a celebrity president. Thompson would have been one also. Thompson totally blew timing though on entering the race.
It's all water under the bridge, of course, but as Thompson was my fave candidate going into the thing, the fact that he just didn't have the drive, the energy, and the will to do what's necessary on the campaign trail spelled his doom. I was disappointed because I felt he went at the whole thing halfheartedly.
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It's all water under the bridge, of course, but as Thompson was my fave candidate going into the thing, the fact that he just didn't have the drive, the energy, and the will to do what's necessary on the campaign trail spelled his doom. I was disappointed because I felt he went at the whole thing halfheartedly.
I wonder if he just had second thoughts, which was the reason he waited so darn long to enter the race.
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I wonder if he just had second thoughts, which was the reason he waited so darn long to enter the race.
I think there's no doubt he had second thoughts. He was dragged into it, resented it, and it showed.
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I havent read this thread but I don't want Trump, he is totally pandering.
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Yeah, me too. Again. *sigh*
Over the past few weeks, I've taken a careful look at Trump. I've read gurn's gushing about Trump (and his later semi-retractions of same). And I've seen him on a steady parade of TV punditcasts.
Conclusion?
Donald Trump is a magnificent self-promoter, even more successful at it than Ann Coulter is in promoting herself.
Kinda wondering what Trump's personal coffers are doing with this latest publicity barrage and rumors concerning his "running for president". Can anybody say "Ka-CHING!"?
I think all that's bullshit. The only thing that Trump is interested in is money. And himself.
Yep, the guy is a snake. I wouldn't be surprised if he used the office to make in-roads for Trump International into China.
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The Republicans that are trolling around Iowa already are not very likely to win: Santorum, Pawlenty, Bachmann, Gingrich, Cain.
I still like Herman Cain, but he has a lot of catching up to do in terms of name recognition .
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I still like Herman Cain, but he has a lot of catching up to do in terms of name recognition .
I like his ideas, but he's damn near unknown by most voters.
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I like his ideas, but he's damn near unknown by most voters.
That's why he's hitting the early primary states hoping to get some news coverage. Fox is pretty much ignoring everyone but Trump, which pisses me off.
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I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.
The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.
I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.
Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.
Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.
Who are the heavy-hitters?
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I doubt Trump will run and he will throw his support to Palin. He has spoken highly of her and so has Rush. Trump is getting the Democrats and RINO's like Karl Rove all shook up. It is fun to watch the Blue Blood Rockefeller Repubs get their panties in a wad. Trump is stirring the pot up and that is good.
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I doubt Trump will run and he will throw his support to Palin. He has spoken highly of her and so has Rush. Trump is getting the Democrats and RINO's like Karl Rove all shook up. It is fun to watch the Blue Blood Rockefeller Repubs get their panties in a wad. Trump is stirring the pot up and that is good.
It looks like Trump & Huck are blowing kisses to each other on TV. I wouldn't be surprised to see something happen with that.
I've heard both say nice things about each other. And they had some kind of meeting last week, reportedly.
Maybe they'll be ganging up on Mitt?
I see Huck as a seriously flawed candidate. He commuted a guy's sentence who went on to kill four cops.
But he's always likable on the stump. And he runs really well with Southern evangelicals.
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I like his ideas, but he's damn near unknown by most voters.
However, he'd be a great choice for VP. It would give the country a chance to know him. He'd make an impression!
Cindie
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I believe that Trump appeals to to the deep down feelings humans need for in a leader.
A history of win and loose to ultimately come out on top of our enemy's. A fighter that will pull all stops to
be it by hook or by crook to see to it his country and people will benefit from his leadership.
A true leader does not TELL his people they will have to sacrifice for their country A mighty leader has his people OFFERING to sacrifice on their own.
A true leader pulls his citizens together to work together not to divide them into waring clans or ethnic problems. A true leader unites the people to work together for the benefit of all, rich and poor, religion or race has no divesions.
Money and game plan come into this, Trump has shown he can become personally a multi billionare with his methods world wide. He is a scoundrel and a wheeler dealer, always looking at how will this trade benefit him.
If such a man can place that priority on our Nation, how will this be of benefit to America, we can not loose.
We are tired of being led by the nose to place any other country's before our best interests. Tired of allowing feeble men to decide a school in some far off country needs to be built while ignoring our own country's schools to fall into decay.
We are repairing bridges around the world but the number of bridges in our states are shocking in their decay
and the States have to fight for federal money to get them repaired. Too much money is going to Norway to repair their bridges etc.
Let the dictators of foreign country's spend their own money to repair the needs of their own country's, when they come a calling demanding we help them, first let them spend their own money to do so and any relief aid from us comes a signed agreement from that government that they will repay us be it by trade agreement or oil, mining rights or coconuts.
We need a tit for tat Leader, one that tells the world that America comes first, that we are willing to help out others in a time of need but our help comes with a price.
Once we are on out feet again and our leader comands respect from the rest of the world then and only then can we afford to be generous to a point with others.
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I believe that Trump appeals to to the deep down feelings humans need for in a leader.
A history of win and loose to ultimately come out on top of our enemy's. A fighter that will pull all stops to
be it by hook or by crook to see to it his country and people will benefit from his leadership.
A true leader does not TELL his people they will have to sacrifice for their country A mighty leader has his people OFFERING to sacrifice on their own.
A true leader pulls his citizens together to work together not to divide them into waring clans or ethnic problems. A true leader unites the people to work together for the benefit of all, rich and poor, religion or race has no divesions.
Money and game plan come into this, Trump has shown he can become personally a multi billionare with his methods world wide. He is a scoundrel and a wheeler dealer, always looking at how will this trade benefit him.
If such a man can place that priority on our Nation, how will this be of benefit to America, we can not loose.
We are tired of being led by the nose to place any other country's before our best interests. Tired of allowing feeble men to decide a school in some far off country needs to be built while ignoring our own country's schools to fall into decay.
We are repairing bridges around the world but the number of bridges in our states are shocking in their decay
and the States have to fight for federal money to get them repaired. Too much money is going to Norway to repair their bridges etc.
Let the dictators of foreign country's spend their own money to repair the needs of their own country's, when they come a calling demanding we help them, first let them spend their own money to do so and any relief aid from us comes a signed agreement from that government that they will repay us be it by trade agreement or oil, mining rights or coconuts.
We need a tit for tat Leader, one that tells the world that America comes first, that we are willing to help out others in a time of need but our help comes with a price.
Once we are on out feet again and our leader comands respect from the rest of the world then and only then can we afford to be generous to a point with others.
I've just finished flying through several US airports. There is not enough room for people to sit down in Phoenix, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta.
It's disgusting. Everyone should fly through Hong Kong airport some day. Then they will understand how America is becoming a third-world country.
Yeah I know. Airports are state & city projects not Federal issues. And yeah, I'm a small government, states' rights guy.
But US airports s*ck. US cell phone service s*cks. US infrastructure increasingly s*cks. US railroads have s*cked for a long time.
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I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.
And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?
Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.
:popcorn:
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I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.
And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?
Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.
:popcorn:
+1
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I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.
And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?
Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.
:popcorn:
I think you're wrong about the tariff issue - both about the effects of tariffs on the Great Depression & certainly about what is happening today.
Here's a new MIT study for example.
http://econ-www.mit.edu/files/6613
The cost of government transfer payments as a result of lost jobs to China - are greater than the savings consumers
realize by shopping for cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart.
Expect more studies like that in the future. Keeping your currency low relative to the Dollar reaps huge benefits for many countries.
Trump's got that part right. And it results in a massive hemorrhaging of jobs overseas, which then results in huge increases in
transfer payments in the form of food stamps, welfare, M/C. Cities & states lose their tax bases which results in even more loss of
jobs and even greater transfer payment burdens to jobless users of public services.
The Chinese are gaming the system. The old way of thinking doesn't work. Trump gets it. None of the other candidates do.
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I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.
And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?
Now, I could be wrong. But I think I'm beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.
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Janice, Why are we going bankrupt at this time.?? When have we as America ever had these problems before??
It takes years of miss managemet to get to this point in Amercan history. The damage is done, now the quesion is can we fix it.
Using conventional methods have just dug us into a deeper hole. So the country decided to try out something else to see what could be done. Disaster on that try, this experiment with Obama has made everything was worse for us.
The expression if at first you do not succeed, try, try again comes in here.
Why not try again with Trump, he can't do worse then Obama, and has half the Senate and House all ready in his pocket for their business interests. Both sides as he was smart enough to donate money to both party's in the past.
He can call in favors at any time something Obama cannot do. He can call in favors from country's overseas and can in fact become something to be recconed with in the world.
Ever check into Arm& Hammer and how they ran that company??
It is no longer the corrupt politicians that will save us, now we have to look to the people in big industry to in this country to protect us as a whole country, not just a small part.
We need people that can smell a con 5 miles away to protect us, we need people that are more powerful then those holding corrupt offices to bring down the hammer on them.
No politicans is Strong enough to do this Only the people that are savvy in finance that are gaged to our countrys interests not their own can do this.
Darn we have to keep trying here, America has been a grand experiment in in the world, turned everything upside down and worked for us and those around the globe.
The rights of the people here in America are what we need to be solving, not the rights in any other country, that is up to their citizens to choose.
Who the hell do we think we are to go out blasting another country apart because of their government.
Do we want to see Kenya troops in our streets or Muslim Nations telling us we are wrong by their laws and we must change.??
We need to protect ourselves from being invaded by anyone from the outside. Spend our money for our own self defence and allow the rest of he world to solve their own problems. We do need to help our alies and friends but for those that are our enemys tell them to go to hell. Money cannot buy us friends, we are told that in grade school, someone else will come along with more money and now that friend is an enemy.
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I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.
And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?
Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.
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H5
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I don't see Donald Trump running. He has got a comfortable life and why would he give it up for the White House.
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I don't see Donald Trump running. He has got a comfortable life and why would he give it up for the White House.
I agree with you and Lacarnut about this general theme for 'the Donald'. I have some rather detailed theories that run a lot deeper and branches out to other issues that might really upset the apple cart for certain GOP types (notice I say GOP not conservative). But I dont wanna tip my hand quite yet. I dont wanna tick off too many people all at once. As an aside one thing that still sticks out to me is how that its almost like Trump is running against Stinky for the Democratic ticket rather than the Republican. As Ive said, he would be a much better fit running against Obama in the primary than either as a republican or an independent. And there's tons of Hillary type dems that would definitely prefer Trump over Odumbo. But I dont see Trump running either. Even if he did and even if he won, could anybody be worse or more inept either by accident or by design than the Closeted Muslim Man Child Candyass er.. I mean Candidate? I dont think so ... so its a poor comparison. It really is. My dog catcher could do a better job than Stinky. All that said it is nice to see 'the Donald' stirring up the pot and spreading a few cow patties along the way.
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Trump is an attention whore getting another 15 minutes. His entire life he's flitted from one woman to the next and to one big deal to the next (nothing wrong with that) but the presidency or any elected office needs someone used to the extreme stress, responsibility, and monotony such a job demands. He's a risk taker which is an excellent quality in business and investment, in public service, not so much. If you listen to him most of what he wants, while many of them are good for the country as a whole, there are others (the tariff for instance) certainly wouldn't benefit regular people trying to live through a bad economy because there are too many other factors at play right now.
What's going to happen if/when he gets bored? Right now we have a president who hardly focuses on the country's business right now. However, he'd be an excellent adviser to whoever does win.
Cindie
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Trump is an attention whore getting another 15 minutes. His entire life he's flitted from one woman to the next and to one big deal to the next (nothing wrong with that) but the presidency or any elected office needs someone used to the extreme stress, responsibility, and monotony such a job demands. He's a risk taker which is an excellent quality in business and investment, in public service, not so much. If you listen to him most of what he wants, while many of them are good for the country as a whole, there are others (the tariff for instance) certainly wouldn't benefit regular people trying to live through a bad economy because there are too many other factors at play right now.
What's going to happen if/when he gets bored? Right now we have a president who hardly focuses on the country's business right now. However, he'd be an excellent adviser to whoever does win.
Cindie
Even if I agreed with everything you wrote, which I don't, the facts are we are in one hell of a mess with high unemployment, roaring debt, spending out of control, etc. I don't think there are any or very few politicians in DC that are committed to spending less than we receive in taxes. That is the only way we will reduce our debt. Obama and Ryan's plan is a joke because it only slows down the increase in our future debt. I don't see any Repub saying that their budget will cut spending to the bone, eliminate agencies, reduce Federal employees so that we will have a surplus. Those are probably too radical for most voters to stomach cause it involves sacrifice but sooner or later we will be forced into it. Real wages are stagnant and inflation is getting ready to bite us in the butt. I happen to believe it will take someone with a great deal of business experience to fix the problems. Trump may not be the right person for President but his message is sure as hell is resonating with the average voter.
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Folks, things being what they are in the world, China is ready to cave. It needs good relations with the US now,
(even while it prepares to nuke us in 2020).
But the US needs a leader who has the vision and guts to push the issue with them.
China buys our Treasuries out of weakness -- not strength. If the RMB rises, tens of millions
of Chinese lose their jobs. And worse will happen.
The US for decades has allowed Japan, Korea and China to bleed us. They think we are very generous.
And they think we are very stupid. Our workers lose their jobs to the Far East. Our workers go on public assistance.
Their workers steadily get rich -- directly at our expense. Then, the countries we have sent the jobs to, buy our T-Bills
to help us pay welfare for all the people who have lost jobs and will never find them again.
Trump gets it. Very few other people do.
But by some miracle, we are holding the strong hand here.
Push a 25% tariff through Congress and see what they do.
A good example is the tariff Nixon made with Germany in mind during the early 1970's.
It worked and it worked very quickly.
As far as China goes - there is no difference between the other GOP candidates and Obama.
They all kowtow to the Middle Kingdom.
Although, I notice Huckabee (the Governor from Wal-Mart), has been talking up Trump's China policy lately.
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Even if I agreed with everything you wrote, which I don't, the facts are we are in one hell of a mess with high unemployment, roaring debt, spending out of control, etc. I don't think there are any or very few politicians in DC that are committed to spending less than we receive in taxes. That is the only way we will reduce our debt. Obama and Ryan's plan is a joke because it only slows down the increase in our future debt. I don't see any Repub saying that their budget will cut spending to the bone, eliminate agencies, reduce Federal employees so that we will have a surplus. Those are probably too radical for most voters to stomach cause it involves sacrifice but sooner or later we will be forced into it. Real wages are stagnant and inflation is getting ready to bite us in the butt. I happen to believe it will take someone with a great deal of business experience to fix the problems. Trump may not be the right person for President but his message is sure as hell is resonating with the average voter.
Well, ya see that's the beauty of this country...we can disagree as much as we want and we won't be gunned down or thrown in jail for it. Yes, he's resonating...but at this point it's fairly fleeting. He's been really, enthusiastically, probably, mostly, I'm-the-only-one-who-can-win-and-solve-this-country's-problems gonna run in past elections as well.
Maybe he means it this time. The problem is that people like him get bored easily. I don't mean that in a bad way at all. He's an entrepreneur, and a successful one, thus he's always on the lookout for the next big thing. He's lost and gained millions. He's much more comfortable with risk than someone who's responsible for an entire nation should be, IMO.
He can't throw the country over like an attractive but evidently not close enough to "barely legal" wife every time he gets an itch in his pants for a new piece of arm candy. If he can't handle marriage how the hell is he going to handle something as complicated as running a country? These are important issues because the way a person handles their personal life says a lot about their character, values, and honesty...just ask Juanita Broderick.
Maybe he is the right person for the country but he's going to have to do more than recite populist sentiment to convince me. This is too important of an election to not very, very carefully consider all the candidates that eventually decide to run. I have my personal favorites but I certainly think it's way too early to fixate on someone, especially when quite a few of those someones won't make it out of the starting gate?
Cindie
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Well, ya see that's the beauty of this country...we can disagree as much as we want and we won't be gunned down or thrown in jail for it. Yes, he's resonating...but at this point it's fairly fleeting. He's been really, enthusiastically, probably, mostly, I'm-the-only-one-who-can-win-and-solve-this-country's-problems gonna run in past elections as well.
Maybe he means it this time. The problem is that people like him get bored easily. I don't mean that in a bad way at all. He's an entrepreneur, and a successful one, thus he's always on the lookout for the next big thing. He's lost and gained millions. He's much more comfortable with risk than someone who's responsible for an entire nation should be, IMO.
He can't throw the country over like an attractive but evidently not close enough to "barely legal" wife every time he gets an itch in his pants for a new piece of arm candy. If he can't handle marriage how the hell is he going to handle something as complicated as running a country? These are important issues because the way a person handles their personal life says a lot about their character, values, and honesty...just ask Juanita Broderick.
Maybe he is the right person for the country but he's going to have to do more than recite populist sentiment to convince me. This is too important of an election to not very, very carefully consider all the candidates that eventually decide to run. I have my personal favorites but I certainly think it's way too early to fixate on someone, especially when quite a few of those someones won't make it out of the starting gate?
Cindie
AHHH come on here, Think back on the number of presidents we have had that were good for the country and a dismal failure as a Husband. Turn this about, the so far the worse president was and is a wonderful husband and father.
Trump just seems to know when to cut his losses in the marriage department and move on. There is no way that man is going to live a life of misery with any woman that no longer loves him. He keeps looking, bless his heart.
Trump would only have 8 years if elected and reelected to go down in history as The Man Who Saved America. This would be his goal, the crowning achievement for him and a legacy for his justification for being on earth.
He is not in this position for money or fame, he has that, this would appeal to his combative personality. Hell, he just loves to one up those he detests and drive them into the ground.
What impressed me the most was the interview he gave when he told of how he one upped that middle eastern leader that rented his land for some humongous money and never got to use the land.
The look on his face was pure satisfaction, the look of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Trump is a fighter, a man that loves the game of out witting the enemy.
He is very loyal to his friends, Israel comes to mind. The behavior of Obama towards Israel must drive him nuts.
Just what we need at this time, a Bully to save us from destruction from foreign or domestic influences.
He is not afraid to adjust his thinking as time and information comes in, he has no problem with changing his mind on any subject, he is definitely not going to ignore the facts of a fluid situation for the sake of his ego. This is not a man that listens to he experts with out double checking them and then going with his gut feeling.
This is a man that could have but 8 years to get us back on track, time is money you know and he lives for his work, seldom a real vacation, a workaholic in every sense of the word.
I say give this man a try, lets get some one in there that understands the rough and tumble fights, I am tired of the hat in hand men and woman that make false promisses to get a job that they cannot do, that are afraid of controversy, we need a leader not a self interested limp wrists man that has no idea of how to fix a broken lamp much less that of each and every State.
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AHHH come on here, Think back on the number of presidents we have had that were good for the country and a dismal failure as a Husband. Turn this about, the so far the worse president was and is a wonderful husband and father.
Trump just seems to know when to cut his losses in the marriage department and move on. There is no way that man is going to live a life of misery with any woman that no longer loves him. He keeps looking, bless his heart.
Trump would only have 8 years if elected and reelected to go down in history as The Man Who Saved America. This would be his goal, the crowning achievement for him and a legacy for his justification for being on earth.
He is not in this position for money or fame, he has that, this would appeal to his combative personality. Hell, he just loves to one up those he detests and drive them into the ground.
What impressed me the most was the interview he gave when he told of how he one upped that middle eastern leader that rented his land for some humongous money and never got to use the land.
The look on his face was pure satisfaction, the look of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Trump is a fighter, a man that loves the game of out witting the enemy.
He is very loyal to his friends, Israel comes to mind. The behavior of Obama towards Israel must drive him nuts.
Just what we need at this time, a Bully to save us from destruction from foreign or domestic influences.
He is not afraid to adjust his thinking as time and information comes in, he has no problem with changing his mind on any subject, he is definitely not going to ignore the facts of a fluid situation for the sake of his ego. This is not a man that listens to he experts with out double checking them and then going with his gut feeling.
This is a man that could have but 8 years to get us back on track, time is money you know and he lives for his work, seldom a real vacation, a workaholic in every sense of the word.
I say give this man a try, lets get some one in there that understands the rough and tumble fights, I am tired of the hat in hand men and woman that make false promisses to get a job that they cannot do, that are afraid of controversy, we need a leader not a self interested limp wrists man that has no idea of how to fix a broken lamp much less that of each and every State.
Oh, God, where to I begin (and to myself I'm thinking why should I try she'll never understand...she's like a big stupid tribble, cute & really, really annoying at the same time...yet I'll persevere).
Vesta...this goes far beyond being a "good husband and father". One can be a "good husband and father" and be married more than once. How many times did "the Donald" divorce his wives because they stopped loving him and decided to "cut his losses"? Name one, just one, Vesta...dare you.
Oh, and let's just for a minute PRETEND you're right and Trump is such a gentle, noble, kind fellow who practically worships the ground his wives walk on but they've all been such bitter shrews and SO abusive he just HAD to get away (and without custody of his children, choosing instead to leave them with an abusive shrew). But I digress because we're still pretending he's a prince of a fellow who only leaves his wife when the marriage gets tough...oh sorry, I mean when the wives, mostly not too long after they'd had his child, somehow fall out of love with him. Being president is kinda like a marriage with it's ups and downs, downs and ups. Considering how tough times are now, there will be days, months, years even when everyone hates you. How the hell do we know he won't just "cut his losses" and go after looks like a better piece of eye candy (a pretty new casino or new reality show).
As an aside: given his donations to some very liberal, very un-American politicians for political expediency. How can we trust him not to make deals while in the White House for the same reason?
He's not in this for fame? Oh, vesta, even if you think he'd be a great president you can't be so blind as to believe he's not an attention whore! He could've gone out and started pounding on the issues that most of the country (not just political junkies) think is important...jobs, gas prices, inflation, etc. But he started with the BC, guaranteeing a swath of attention. He's spent a lifetime living off the attention he gets from his multiple marriages (however shrewish and mean to him they might be), his next big deal, the fortunes he's won and lost, television shows (hell, he's even tied his announcement of his announcement to his TV show).
As to his being a workaholic, yes he does seem to be but does that guarantee he'll be working on the right thing? Considering all the irons he has in all those liberal, investing, and business fires, I bet George Soros is a workaholic too. Putting aside for a minute he wasn't born in this country (not out of the realm of possibility, it's worked for Obama) would he make a good president because he's a workaholic?
Regardless of who you vote for I highly suggest you read and reread the constitution again. He's not supposed to fix the problems in all 50 states. He's supposed to reduce the size of government and stay the hell out of the states' way so they can clean up their own damn states.
And to be honest, even if he turned out to be the 2nd coming of Reagan, to believe he wouldn't be doing this for self-interest is just naive. A man who's constantly considering "the art of the deal" why wouldn't he be thinking about what would be best for his business interests after he's done with the WH. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be good for the country as a whole, but it doesn't mean they would, either. If he'd been all about principle he'd be a little more disciplined about which politician he spread his money around to. If we've got to have a businessman in the WH why can't we recruit one of the Koch brothers. At least they're consistent with their values.
Cindie
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One thing I have to give Trump credit for is this: He's doing the job that the media should have done in '08 where it concerns Obama's background.
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One thing I have to give Trump credit for is this: He's doing the job that the media should have done in '08 where it concerns Obama's background.
If nothing else, he is bringing this to the masses of people that don't follow politics much. Now if he'd just hammer ObeyWon on ignoring court orders about drilling moratoriums and fighting the states that are trying to protect their borders.
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If nothing else, he is bringing this to the masses of people that don't follow politics much. Now if he'd just hammer ObeyWon on ignoring court orders about drilling moratoriums and fighting the states that are trying to protect their borders.
And ignoring the Fed Court ruling StinkyCare is unconstitutional ...
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The MSM is really doing a number on Trump, God bless him.
That's how they always do it. The photographers use motor dives that capture dozens of shots in a fraction of a second.
The editors then choose absolutely the worst shot to run on the font page.
Today's LA Times:
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-04/60954905.jpg)
The MSM is trying to Palinize him. Why?
I don't think it's the Birther stuff so much as his stances on China & trade.
Just my theory. But listen to Rush Limbaugh & Rove trash him. Limbaugh castigates him over China.
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I hate to point out a really simple question, but would you seriously consider voting for someone that doesn't have the sense to rid himself of that laughable, ridiculous combover? I know you'll try to deflect the question as some sort of social anxiety, but do you really want to cast a vote for someone that doesn't have enough sense to realize what kind of fool they look like with their appearance and can't present themselves appropriately? I'm not saying I disagree with any of your claims. I'm just wondering why I should give my vote to someone who apparently hasn't looked in the mirror in at least a decade and wondered what kind of appearance he has offered the world that would engender any kind of trust when it comes to supporting him for public office.
I think he would look totally bitchin' with a #1 shave on the sides and totally clean on the top. That's what I would do if I was completely bald.
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The MSM is really doing a number on Trump, God bless him.
That's how they always do it. The photographers use motor dives that capture dozens of shots in a fraction of a second.
The editors then choose absolutely the worst shot to run on the font page.
Today's LA Times:
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-04/60954905.jpg)
The MSM is trying to Palinize him. Why?
I don't think it's the Birther stuff so much as his stances on China & trade.
Just my theory. But listen to Rush Limbaugh & Rove trash him. Limbaugh castigates him over China.
Trump blistered Rove ass tonight on Greta tonight. I love it. Trump is giving this asshole heartburn. I do wish he would ditch the birther issue. Just stick with how big a f.. up Obama is.
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I hate to point out a really simple question, but would you seriously consider voting for someone that doesn't have the sense to rid himself of that laughable, ridiculous combover? I know you'll try to deflect the question as some sort of social anxiety, but do you really want to cast a vote for someone that doesn't have enough sense to realize what kind of fool they look like with their appearance and can't present themselves appropriately? I'm not saying I disagree with any of your claims. I'm just wondering why I should give my vote to someone who apparently hasn't looked in the mirror in at least a decade and wondered what kind of appearance he has offered the world that would engender any kind of trust when it comes to supporting him for public office.
I think he would look totally bitchin' with a #1 shave on the sides and totally clean on the top. That's what I would do if I was completely bald.
Yeah. I'd vote for someone whose hair style I found objectionable.
But that's just me. I'm 'Old School' I guess. My Mom liked Ike.
Good essay in IDB today about why Trump is so very necessary right now. He's the only one attacking the MSM's love affair for the IMam Barack. Larry Elder wrote it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/04/21/the_donald_doing_the_job_the_media_wont_do_109612.html
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A very good pro-Trump article in the American Thinker.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/donald_trump_street_fighting_m_1.html
Not only does Trump do a stellar job of defending himself when under enemy fire, he's willing to go on the offensive. Notice how Trump didn't back down after The View's Whoopie Goldberg insinuated that he's a racist.
In fact, Trump went on to confront that other black icon, Bill Cosby. Who among the other potential candidates would have had the guts to do such a thing? And yet Trump's continual hammering on the left, Alinsky-style, has so confused and overwhelmed them that Trump has apparently inoculated himself from the racist label.
Trump isn't the only Street Fighting Man out there. Gov. Chris Christie, Congressman (and Lt. Colonel) Allen West, and businessman Herman Cain could also take on the Herculean task of defeating Obama. All these tough guys are bold, straight shooters who've been deep down in the trenches.
Why is it so essential that the conservative contender be tough and audacious? Because the left figured out years ago that they needed a candidate made of tougher stuff to shed the impression that they were the 98 pound weaklings....
This is why Donald Trump, or someone Trump-like, is what the conservatives need. He has already shown that he'll get up every time someone throws him a punch.
Sarah, Newt, Huckabee, and Mitt -- all capable and affable. None of them, however, is a force to be reckoned with. If you're trapped in a burning vehicle, you want the strongest and biggest and toughest guy to save you. And this country is crashing and burning just as surely as that flaming vehicle.
Trump may not have the sunniest personality. He may have more bad hair days than good. However, he doesn't show fear -- and therefore weakness -- when the left's pit bulls go on the attack.
That's why I hope that someone like Trump, a Street Fighting Man, will throw his hat into the ring.
Yes, Sarah and Michele and Mike Huckabee are as nice as can be. But when it comes to challenging the Obama machine, nice guys and gals will finish last.
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A very good pro-Trump article in the American Thinker.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/donald_trump_street_fighting_m_1.html
A good article. I have to disagree that Palin could not stand toe to toe with Obama and whip him badly. She did it to Biden in the VP debate.
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Franklin Graham likes Donald Trump...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/franklin-graham-trump-candidate-choice/story?id=13437543
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Trump blistered Rove ass tonight on Greta tonight. I love it. Trump is giving this asshole heartburn. I do wish he would ditch the birther issue. Just stick with how big a f.. up Obama is.
Trump's not so much a "birther" as he is a "proofer". Just what's on the birth certificate that Obama's spent 2 million to keep hidden ? If there's nothing to hide....just show it ? And why are Rove and other neocons trying to shut him up?
I think Trump will get a lot of support from people sick and tired of professional politicians. Like me :-)
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Trump's not so much a "birther" as he is a "proofer". Just what's on the birth certificate that Obama's spent 2 million to keep hidden ? If there's nothing to hide....just show it ? And why are Rove and other neocons trying to shut him up?
I think Trump will get a lot of support from people sick and tired of professional politicians. Like me :-)
I suspect that Obama's long form BC (if one even exists) lists his race as Caucasian. IIRC, It was the norm when he was born that when a single mother gave birth to show the child's race as the same as the mother.
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I suspect that Obama's long form BC (if one even exists) lists his race as Caucasian. IIRC, It was the norm when he was born that when a single mother gave birth to show the child's race as the same as the mother.
Or Mulatto ? Even if White like mom, it's his hertitage and he should embrace it. Just proves what a shallow jerk he is, and I'm not a racist, can't stand his white half either :cheersmate:
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Or Mulatto ? Even if White like mom, it's his hertitage and he should embrace it. Just proves what a shallow jerk he is, and I'm not a racist, can't stand his white half either :cheersmate:
Ditto, and H5.
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I suspect that Obama's long form BC (if one even exists) lists his race as Caucasian. IIRC, It was the norm when he was born that when a single mother gave birth to show the child's race as the same as the mother.
I'm not sure the long form lists the race of the child. It does show the parents' races though.
If it did, I'm not sure why that would be worth 2 million dollars for Obama to cover up though.
Link to someone's BC that doesn't show race of child.
http://123722364835149753-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/obamabirth/Home/obama-short-form-birth-certificate/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cqEGC343XOO2LqiU8krxFN2FG88mmjcjqQZNS92DvCF1vncXfBf2mm12opPHVfDlSSUqJdJXT0hjLx8IYFSGDTtIb4PRJsOkKM989jUlY96u2SQQ37PvU09GAKVraahWFzaRKpQkHl-AuRVBU8A8rdBj565lzyUMURzWMf5b-HEhQc8gkEw_mWgAfdD1dDeUXNqMADRqqHVRlZhz8qI94l-w_P--bUFWiAeL05KGHEP1SXk7X940rd7PqhiuiBUUX332xRSJ8wzWiL6blJSAvEatL9JvA%3D%3D&attredirects=0
This is a very strange story.
Link to what is purportedly Obama's COLB, registered by his grandmother, showing Kenya birth.
http://123722364835149753-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/obamabirth/Home/obama-short-form-birth-certificate/Obama-Hawaii-Birth-Shows-Kenyat.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crkKuURHhJG2ImMtDJFvwaXOnsk1z-jEzCnryQxWUk37SLzNXAgcYtYct77N4uj4UWkNqjKft7mAVZgHNH31NvueThfaC-qs16JaKSdoZmD3Wu-bzHt06NmvjqS5SJ8a2-P--X0Srn6KVZddnbOynzx6FOV8p6Y1sEVS4FNeVfdKqrRDJeoev1UKbq065BCvi4RuXx-mgdKFClsy4LN-D0oYiu338WzmyRe3rVosbbDCOunnF-V6UcQxPu8UsdpNSBDLllAWK_ZBnjWk7LYnCH82InpWQ%3D%3D&attredirects=0
Now that would be something he'd spend 2 million dollars to hide.
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I'm wondering if something on his birth certificate and on his college entrance application are somehow connected and whatever is on one...might not be exactly true.
Back when I was in college, in the early 70's....there was a huge push - at least in Illinois - to get minorities into college and out with a degree in four years....totally free. Tuition, room and board, books and spending money were all provided. Affirmative Action was still very strong, for minorities, in the late 70's early 80's. I know it was that way in many states, but I don't know to what extent.
I wonder if he somehow got in through Affirmative Action, and if so....was it based on anything other than him being half black? And is that what he's trying to hide?
If he has nothing to hide, on either his birth certificate or college entrance application - then why not show them? To keep from showing either one, makes me think there is something on both that ties both together....and he doesn't want anyone to find out what it is.
Trump's willing to spend whatever it takes to find out though....
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This is starting to look like a real cover-up by Hawaii officials.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/
The policy that long-form birth certificates would no longer be available to anyone not even the registrant,
is a recent change by Hawaii officials.
When did this policy change, and where is the documentation? Why would someone be refused a copy of his original vital record? I have one of mine.
I left a message with your office last week which was not answered, before Dr. Chiyome Fukino told MSNBC yesterday that long-form birth certificates are no longer available.
Your governor has stated that Obama has no long-form birth certificate, although the previous governor said that he did. In fact, Dr. Fukino said she had seen it twice, in violation of state law. Also discussing what was in the birth record is a violation of your law.
Can you tell me what is going on? Has the policy been changed to protect Obama? Why did Governor Lingle say that Obama had an original vital record but Governor Abercrombie says he doesn’t? Was it made to disappear, or, as former Elections Clerk Tim Adams has stated, did one never exist?
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This is starting to look like a real cover-up by Hawaii officials.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/
The policy that long-form birth certificates would no longer be available to anyone not even the registrant,
is a recent change by Hawaii officials.
This is an easy enough question to answer Gurn, all comes down to carears at stake and a misguided perception of national security. and money naturally.
If for instance you found amongst a bunch of stuff at a garage sale papers that had something that caused doubt on Obamas right to be president, then all the game players come into it.
Say it is you and your find is confiscated and you held for questioning. First comes legions of people trying to discredit you, wife, family, and relatives that have been dead for 100 years.
Then come the high profile people that tell you that for you to release copies to the press you would become a traitor to the country, To remove Obama as president would cause race wars, and perhaps cause the collapse of the country.
This is now under the old laws still on the books that can in prison a civilian for what the government perceives a huge threat to the well being of the country. People just go missing.
So I would guess if there is any funny funny business going on in Hawaii, the perpetrators are guided by , Patriotism, Fear or Money.