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Title: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: thundley4 on January 31, 2011, 01:53:01 PM: (http://i1035.photobucket.com/albums/a436/uber2002/JUSTICE-GAVEL.jpg)

A federal judge in Florida has struck down as unconstitutional key parts of the sweeping health care reform bill championed by President Barack Obama. Officials in Florida and 25 other states are challenging sections of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, including the "individual mandate" requiring most Americans to purchase health insurance in four years or face stiff penalties.

CNN (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/31/federal-judge-says-key-parts-of-health-care-reform-unconstitutional/)

The mandatory part is unconstitutional and inseverable , therefor the whole law is unconstitutional. No injunction issued, so it will go forward on appeal.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Schadenfreude on January 31, 2011, 02:01:56 PM: This pleases me. :-)
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Chris_ on January 31, 2011, 02:02:23 PM: :yahoo:
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 02:03:55 PM: :cheersmate: :-) Now the WH spin for today.. will be?
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: miskie on January 31, 2011, 02:09:57 PM: Quote from: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 02:03:55 PM
:cheersmate: :-) Now the WH spin for today.. will be?

Bush's Fault.. or at least Romney's
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 31, 2011, 02:15:45 PM: Quote from: miskie on January 31, 2011, 02:09:57 PM
Bush's Fault.. or at least Romney's

You know, this looks bad for Romney in the 2012 runup. MassCare is bankrupting that state; he was the chief architect of it. ObamaCare is quite like MassCare.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: thundley4 on January 31, 2011, 02:17:50 PM: Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 31, 2011, 02:15:45 PM
You know, this looks bad for Romney in the 2012 runup. MassCare is bankrupting that state; he was the chief architect of it. ObamaCare is quite like MassCare.

Has Masscare ever been challenged in the courts?
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Celtic Rose on January 31, 2011, 02:22:34 PM: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/31/federal-judge-says-key-parts-of-health-care-reform-unconstitutional/ (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/31/federal-judge-says-key-parts-of-health-care-reform-unconstitutional/)
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 02:35:37 PM: So is the DU on life support? :popcorn:
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 31, 2011, 02:38:51 PM: Quote from: thundley4 on January 31, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
Has Masscare ever been challenged in the courts?

Don't know.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Godot showed up on January 31, 2011, 02:42:03 PM: Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 31, 2011, 02:15:45 PM
You know, this looks bad for Romney in the 2012 runup. MassCare is bankrupting that state; he was the chief architect of it. ObamaCare is quite like MassCare.

Good. I don't like Romney at all.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Chris_ on January 31, 2011, 02:49:21 PM: [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgQUhDHP7UI[/youtube]

That was quick.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Karin on January 31, 2011, 02:55:12 PM: Great news! Let's see how the appeal goes.

I'm not wild about Romney either. I wonder why he ends up in the high end of the polls for the potential candidate?

What especially irked me about Obamacare was that nightmarish "flowchart" that doesn't even fit on one page. You've all seen it. Imagine dealing with that when you've got a life-and-death situation with a loved one or yourself.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 03:07:52 PM: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/101410healthcareruling.pdf
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Chris_ on January 31, 2011, 03:21:25 PM: ACTIVIST JUDGE!!!!!!11111ONEone!!!!!

/DU mode
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Crazy Horse on January 31, 2011, 03:27:12 PM: Hey DUmbasses

:nelson:
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Godot showed up on January 31, 2011, 03:31:15 PM: Quote from: Crazy Horse on January 31, 2011, 03:27:12 PM
Hey DUmbasses

:nelson:

What he says. Time to do the Dance of Joy:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPg5LjGYz8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: formerlurker on January 31, 2011, 03:55:58 PM: Quote from: thundley4 on January 31, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
Has Masscare ever been challenged in the courts?

It is right now -- the part where residents are fined for not having health insurance. What is happening in MA is not Romneycare. Deval Patrick owns this disaster.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 31, 2011, 04:00:44 PM: Newsmax has this comment from the judge's ruling:

Quote
"It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place. If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failing to engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would have been in vain for it would be â€œdifficult to perceive any limitation on federal powerâ€ [Lopez, supra, 514 U.S. at 564], and we would have a Constitution in name only. Surely this is not what the Founding Fathers could have intended."

YEOW!!!! That's got to leave a mark! Obama just got :bitchslap: and :foff: and :asssmack: all in one!
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: NHSparky on January 31, 2011, 04:02:32 PM: Wow, a judge who interprets law based on the Constitution and doesn't "legislate from the bench". Who knew?
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 04:26:56 PM: from front page of Politico44

http://www.politico.com/politico44/

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0111/w_h_accuses_judge_of_overreaching_dfe93f74-7bd1-486a-8a8d-28472ad2fb01.html

Quote
JUDGE WHO? -- The White House says a ruling by a federal judge against the new health care law is an example of judicial "overreaching" and "activism."

"This ruling is well out of the mainstream of judicial opinion," Stephanie Cutter, an assistant to President Obama, wrote on the White House's blog after Judge Roger Vinson in Florida ruled that the entire law is unconstitutional. "Todayâ€™s ruling ... is a plain case of judicial overreaching. The judgeâ€™s decision contradicts decades of Supreme Court precedent that support the considered judgment of the democratically elected branches of government that the Actâ€™s 'individual responsibility' provision is necessary to prevent billions of dollars of cost-shifting every year by individuals without insurance who cannot pay for the health care they obtain." Cutter accused the judge of putting "all of the new benefits, cost savings and patient protections that were included in the law at risk." She added, "We donâ€™t believe this kind of judicial activism will be upheld and we are confident that the Affordable Care Act will ultimately be declared constitutional by the courts."

The Justice Department said it will appeal the ruling.
Activism and overreaching. Well WH would know!
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: miskie on January 31, 2011, 05:07:26 PM: Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 31, 2011, 02:15:45 PM
You know, this looks bad for Romney in the 2012 runup. MassCare is bankrupting that state; he was the chief architect of it. ObamaCare is quite like MassCare.

It does -- what Romney needs to do is get in front of a camera and make the case that Romneycare was a mistake- until he does that, there will be little he can do to earn the nom in the end.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: ReaganForRushmore on January 31, 2011, 05:40:27 PM: Quote from: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 02:35:37 PM
So is the DU on life support? :popcorn:

Aren't they already on life support in Mom's basement? The real question DU needs to ask "How did Rove do this?
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Chris_ on January 31, 2011, 06:19:34 PM: Quote
White House Calls Obamacare Ruling Judicial Overreach

On the White Houseâ€™s blog, spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter writes: â€œTodayâ€™s ruling â€“ issued by Judge Vinson in the Northern District of Florida â€“ is a plain case of judicial overreaching.â€ She continues: â€œThose who claim that the â€œindividual responsibilityâ€ provision exceeds Congressâ€™ power to regulate interstate commerce because it penalizes â€œinactivityâ€ are simply wrong. Individuals who choose to go without health insurance are actively making an economic decision that impacts all of us.â€
Forbes (http://blogs.forbes.com/davidwhelan/2011/01/31/obama-administration-fires-back-at-judge-vinson-and-his-decision/)

Sore losers. :bird:
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: blitzkrieg_17 on January 31, 2011, 06:23:20 PM: This is a big f'ing deal.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: docstew on January 31, 2011, 08:12:59 PM: Quote from: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 04:26:56 PM
from front page of Politico44

http://www.politico.com/politico44/

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0111/w_h_accuses_judge_of_overreaching_dfe93f74-7bd1-486a-8a8d-28472ad2fb01.html
Activism and overreaching. Well WH would know!

Nice to see that 0bama is continuing his standard of criticizing judicial decisions he doesn't like... He does know that they don't answer to him, right?
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: DLR Pyro on January 31, 2011, 09:17:49 PM: :cheersmate:
Quote from: blitzkrieg_17 on January 31, 2011, 06:23:20 PM
This is a big f'ing deal.
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: DefiantSix on January 31, 2011, 09:19:04 PM: Quote from: cavegal on January 31, 2011, 02:35:37 PM
So is the DU on life support? :popcorn:

I bet if we started pulling plugs, we could find out in an hurry. :stirpot:
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on January 31, 2011, 09:33:33 PM: Quote from: docstew on January 31, 2011, 08:12:59 PM
Nice to see that 0bama is continuing his standard of criticizing judicial decisions he doesn't like... He does know that they don't answer to him, right?

Well, he is one of the three branches of government.

Right, Chuck?

Chuck?...........
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Chris_ on February 01, 2011, 01:58:38 PM: Quote
ABC’s Sawyer Spikes Coverage Of Federal Judge’s Ruling Against ObamaCare

ABC, CBS and NBC on Monday night devoted more than half of their evening newscasts to the turmoil in Egypt, but while CBS and NBC squeezed in brief mentions of how a federal judge agreed with 26 states that the entire ObamaCare law is unconstitutional, ABC’s World News didn’t utter a syllable about the major setback for the Obama administration. Anchor Diane Sawyer, however, made room for a full story on an impending snowstorm and four minutes for a new series, “Families on the Brink: What to Do About Mom and Dad?”

While CBS anchor Harry Smith provided a short summary of the development, the CBS Evening News allocated four times more time to new USDA dietary guidelines which call for less consumption of salt. Smith tried to downplay the significance of the ruling.
NewsBusters (http://ttp://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2011/02/01/abc-s-sawyer-spikes-federal-judge-s-ruling-against-obamacare#ixzz1Cju7uAwD)
:lalala:
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: DLR Pyro on February 01, 2011, 04:03:22 PM: Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on January 31, 2011, 09:33:33 PM
Well, he is one of the three branches of government.

Right, Chuck?

Chuck?...........
Hi5...and Sarah Palin is the idiot....
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: Godot showed up on February 01, 2011, 04:21:47 PM: Quote from: DefiantSix on January 31, 2011, 09:19:04 PM
I bet if we started pulling plugs, we could find out in an hurry. :stirpot:

What, from Biden?
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: DefiantSix on February 01, 2011, 04:28:59 PM: Quote from: Godot showed up on February 01, 2011, 04:21:47 PM

What, from Biden?

I was thinking life support machinery, but that works too. :cheers1:
Title: Re: Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
Post by: formerlurker on February 01, 2011, 04:39:05 PM: This NRO aticle is a nice summary:

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/258514/florida-v-hhs-could-become-landmark-individual-liberty-avik-roy