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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on January 26, 2011, 04:18:51 PM
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:19 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x279878
Marines Replace Commander in Charge of Detention of Bradley Manning, Accused WikiLeaker
One week ago, David Coombs, the main lawyer for accused WikiLeaks document leaker Bradley Manning, filed a complaint with military officials against Quantico Base Commander James Averhart.
Coombs accused Averhart of abusing his "discretion" by arbitrarily choosing harsh - some have said tortuous - confinement conditions for Manning, who is housed in the Quantico brig.
On Wednesday, the Marines replaced Averhart as Quantico's commander with Chief Warrant Officer Denise Barnes, CNN reports.
A base spokesman claims the complaint and Averhart's removal are not related, and that the decision to replace Averhart was made back in October, CNN reports.
Coombs said earlier that Averhart, against the recommendations of two psychiatrists, chose to place Manning under suicide watch last week, which allows guards to force Manning to "remain in his cell for 24 hours a day," be "stripped of all clothing with the exception of his underwear," and have "his prescription eyeglasses taken away."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20029688-503543....
Kudos to Greenwald, to David Swanson, to SaveBradley, to Mr. Coombs and to everyone who kept pushing on this disgrace.
DUAC wins another battle against the MIC!!! It doesn't matter that the guy was already leaving...
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. I'm very proud (if that's the word) of Greenwald.
He was in a position to do something and he did it. I hope we all make the same choice given the same opportunity.
Uh...what did he do again?
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. It is something, at least, agreed.
His ability to defend himself is being eroded and that's plain unAmerican.
The irony in this post almost killed me.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. There is no legal pre-trial torture penalty in America. n/t
Reading your post is torture enough.
eleny (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
25. I haven't read or heard any evidence that Manning is complaining
Others have observed his condition and reported on it.
Can you please provide me with a link to evidence that Manning has complained? I'd like to stay current. Thanks in advance.
The DU version of a bitchslap. :lmao:
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
44. Your best evidence is his lawyer's filings witth respect to his detention.
21 January 2011
Article 138 Complaint
On Wednesday January 19, 2011, the defense filed an Article 138 complaint with the Quantico base commander, Colonel Daniel Choike. The Article 138 complaint is a complaint filed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice to address a perceived wrong against a soldier by his command. The defense asserts that the action of holding PFC Manning in Maximum (MAX) custody, under Prevention of Injury (POI) watch for over five months and recently placing him under suicide risk was an abuse of CWO4 James Averhart’s discretion, and a wrong within the meaning of Article 138, UCMJ. As redress, the defense has requested that Colonel Choike order PFC Manning’s removal from suicide risk and POI watch and that he order the reduction of PFC Manning classification level from MAX to MDI.
http://www.armycourtmartialdefense.info/
oh, yeah....put the little ****er into general population.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Or pre-trial punishment as a DUer pointed out here
very early on, I'm sorry, I can't remember who did.
pre-trial confinement and suicide watch are not punishment.
The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. Oddly Enough, Sir
It is just possible he thought he had rights under the Constitution, as a United States citizen, who had (and has) not been convicted of any crime....
oddly enough, asswipe, he is in the military and NOT covered by civilian law but but the UCMJ.
The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. The Conditions Of His Confinement, Sir, Are Torture
And that torture is being applied to compel his witness against himself and others.
put him in GP and we'll see how long before his lawyer screams for protection.
Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. of course, when you expose the crimes committed by our government
you have to expect to be tortured, and this is the natural order of things and the way it should be. Awesome!
er...
okieinpain (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. yep, just awesome, and what crimes have come out of the leaks
oh yeah, khadaffi likes big breast.
another bitchslap. Okie is not long for this world...
formercia (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. You must be lost.
I think you have the wrong forum.
Go tell Rim Job at FreeRepublic.
All 'other thought' must be stifled.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. Obstruction of justice in BushCo homocide and torture cases in Spain
covering up the killing of hundreds of civilians at check points in Iraq, using tax money to buy child sex workers in Afghanistan, sending Special Forces illegally into Pakistan. For starters.
none of which was shown in any wikileaks articles...was it.
okieinpain (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. really so where are the trials. I haven't heard any of that even
on du. all i've been reading about is how horrible president obama is.
Three bichslaps in one thread. Okie is DOOOMED!!!
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
35. You can search any of the stories I mentioned.
There are many more and they have been posted here repeatedly.
and the truth shall set you free. In DUmpmonkiez' world, the only truth is the truth we say is the truth...
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. The Conditions Of His Confinement, Sir, Are Torture
And that torture is being applied to compel his witness against himself and others.
So I should be able to sue the DoD for all the torture I had to endure in boot camp?
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Ya know something? I think that we've been labelling stupid Beth wrongly. "Poor, stupid Beth" could cause someone to infer that the cause of her stupidity is not her fault.
I'm now of the thinking that it's entirely her fault.
Therefore, we should start referring to her as "stupid, stupid Beth," as her brand of stupid is so big that one mention of it just won't do.
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Ya know something? I think that we've been labelling stupid Beth wrongly. "Poor, stupid Beth" could cause someone to infer that the cause of her stupidity is not her fault.
I'm now of the thinking that it's entirely her fault.
Therefore, we should start referring to her as "stupid, stupid Beth," as her brand of stupid is so big that one mention of it just won't do.
I dunno what to do about Doug's stupid ex-wife.
Remember, sir, I know her like a book; have read everything she's ever written.
I'm not kidding when I say the arteriosclerotic deterioration is noticeable.
I'm trying to figure out if it's tasteful or not, to make fun of a senile woman.
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eleny (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
25. I haven't read or heard any evidence that Manning is complaining Others have observed his condition and reported on it.
Can you please provide me with a link to evidence that Manning has complained? I'd like to stay current. Thanks in advance.
Ohhsss noeesss!!!1eleventy!!
How dare the DUmmie ask for,...."proof" at the DUmpster.
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. There is no legal pre-trial torture penalty in America. n/t
Every time you post, a kitten is tortured and you have yet to be scheduled for trial.
Your son on the other hand...
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I think we've demonstrated time and again how Manning's "torture" is absolute luxury compared to basic training.
What would the dumbest beyotch of the Innerwebz think of The Crucible? SERE? BUD/S? An SSBN patrol?
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. of course, when you expose the crimes committed by our government
you have to expect to be tortured, and this is the natural order of things and the way it should be. Awesome!
Humm...and who would the CEO of the U.S. military be??
Where is my frog marching smiley?
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So I should be able to sue the DoD for all the torture I had to endure in boot camp?
Well...I would expect the least the DoD could do is give you a gift certificate for a free pony from Home Depot. :-)
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Ya know something? I think that we've been labelling stupid Beth wrongly. "Poor, stupid Beth" could cause someone to infer that the cause of her stupidity is not her fault.
I'm now of the thinking that it's entirely her fault.
Therefore, we should start referring to her as "stupid, stupid Beth," as her brand of stupid is so big that one mention of it just won't do.
Black hole stupid!
So stupid, any single IQ point passing within 12 light years will be streamed into a permanent nothingness singularity.
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Black hole stupid!
So stupid, any single IQ point passing within 12 light years will be streamed into a permanent nothingness singularity.
That is H5-worthy.
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Well...I would expect the least the DoD could do is give you a gift certificate for a free pony from Home Depot. :-)
I had to deal with all the shipboard stuff and only getting 2 hours of sleep in a 2 day period because of watches. DH had to go through FMSS, did time with the Marines and a SWCC unit. We should have a pretty nice stable full of ponies and a few unicorns by now.
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I would love to see Manning go into general population. What would the DUmp say then?
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I think we've demonstrated time and again how Manning's "torture" is absolute luxury compared to basic training.
What would the dumbest beyotch of the Innerwebz think of The Crucible? SERE? BUD/S? An SSBN patrol?
...a four-hour PowerPoint briefing?
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. Obstruction of justice in BushCo homocide and torture cases in Spain
covering up the killing of hundreds of civilians at check points in Iraq, using tax money to buy child sex workers in Afghanistan, sending Special Forces illegally into Pakistan. For starters.
Gotta link, I just want to check that out. Ya know, just to be sure, cupid stunt.
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Ya know something? I think that we've been labelling stupid Beth wrongly. "Poor, stupid Beth" could cause someone to infer that the cause of her stupidity is not her fault.
I'm now of the thinking that it's entirely her fault.
Therefore, we should start referring to her as "stupid, stupid Beth," as her brand of stupid is so big that one mention of it just won't do.
I prefer "dunt".
:-)
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-26-11 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. Obstruction of justice in BushCo homocide and torture cases in Spain
covering up the killing of hundreds of civilians at check points in Iraq, using tax money to buy child sex workers in Afghanistan, sending Special Forces illegally into Pakistan. For starters.
I have no problem with any of that except the "child sex workers". And buying "child sex workers" sounds like a U.N. activity, not U.S.
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I have no problem with any of that except the "child sex workers". And buying "child sex workers" sounds like a U.N. activity, not U.S.
First I've heard of this in Afghanistan. I did hear sumpin' 'bout it in Africa, but I don't think we have troops there. Seems the UN was rapin' and pillagin' there too! Peacekeepin' force my ass!