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The Bar => Sports => Topic started by: Doc on January 25, 2011, 07:03:44 AM
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With Chicago reeling from Sunday’s painful playoff loss, Monday morning probably wasn’t the best time for car salesman John Stone to share his love for the Green Bay Packers with co-workers and customers.
But Stone, 34, proudly showed up for work at Webb Chevrolet in south suburban Oak Lawn wearing his green-and-yellow Packers necktie anyway.
http://www.suntimes.com/3473075-417/stone-tie-customers-bears-john.html
From what I hear, Chicago fans are on par with Philly fans in terms of nastiness. This confirms my feeling that the majority of Bears fans are a-holes, and sore losers. Is a suit in the cards, does anyone think?
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http://www.suntimes.com/3473075-417/stone-tie-customers-bears-john.html
From what I hear, Chicago fans are on par with Philly fans in terms of nastiness. This confirms my feeling that the majority of Bears fans are a-holes, and sore losers. Is a suit in the cards, does anyone think?
BS for generalizing. I'm not a Chicago native, but the fans are quite knowledgable and not especially nasty, as compared with other cities that I've visited to see sporting events.
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I've heard a few stories about how Chicago fans beat the hell out of GB fans at the NFC Title game. Just because they got beat. On top of that, they burned their own QB's jersey. WOW. No matter how bad Rodgers was, that wouldn't enter my mind. I never even torched any of Favrererere merchandise even though I could have.
(And I should BS myself for the stupid spelling error in the title. If I could...)
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I've heard a few stories about how Chicago fans beat the hell out of GB fans at the NFC Title game. Just because they got beat. On top of that, they burned their own QB's jersey. WOW. No matter how bad Rodgers was, that wouldn't enter my mind. I never even torched any of Favrererere merchandise even though I could have.
(And I should BS myself for the stupid spelling error in the title. If I could...)
I attended every Bears/Packers game at Soldier Field for around 10 years with the former Mrs. Wiggum, who is a Packers fan. She wore Packers gear every time, and the crowd routinely was 20-25% Cheesehead. I didn't walk around the entire stadium pre-game, but I never witnessed a single altercation, nor did she ever get beer dumped on her or anything crazy. It's an intense but mostly friendly rivalry. I saw tons of fights at games in Cleveland & Pittsburgh. I can only imagine what it's like at the new Meadowlands and Philly.
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^ Oh, I've heard about Cleveland too. Kid got taackled by a over age dude just for wearing a Jets jersey. That was just this past season.
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We always had a friendly rivalry at Cubs/Cards game, never saw any trouble.
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Pretty stupid thing to do if you're trying to sell a product and the consumer most likely is a Bears fan.
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We always had a friendly rivalry at Cubs/Cards game, never saw any trouble.
Trouble usually happens at the Cubs/White Sox games, I thought.
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Pretty stupid thing to do if you're trying to sell a product and the consumer most likely is a Bears fan.
Well I can understand using deductive reasoning being in Bear territory with your fandom, but hey....when do thing go too far? I think costing someone (and their family) a paycheck just cause you may have a bug up your ass (the manager) about your worker wearing a rival team tie goes too far. Just my opinion.
The dude should go in his office, cry, and let his grunt sell him some cars.
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http://www.suntimes.com/3473075-417/stone-tie-customers-bears-john.html
From what I hear, Chicago fans are on par with Philly fans in terms of nastiness. This confirms my feeling that the majority of Bears fans are a-holes, and sore losers. Is a suit in the cards, does anyone think?
BS for equating Chicago fans with DUmmies.
As for the smug, self-pitying idiot being fired, the Webb Auto Group spends in excess of $20,000 a month on radio advertising on the Bears' flagship station, not to mention the fact that they provide a player or two with free use of their vehicles. He was told to remove the tie, and evidently he neglected to remember who the **** it is that pays him and declined to do so.
Defending this insolent schmuck by calling Bear fans assholes and sore losers is a DUmmy move if ever I saw one.
Shame on you, Rev. :hammer:
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Well I can understand using deductive reasoning being in Bear territory with your fandom, but hey....when do thing go too far?
It's called employment at-will. Your Packer Backer buddy was a ****ing employee who elected to disobey management. Period.
The dude should go in his office, cry, and let his grunt sell him some cars.
The "dude" still has his job. The grunt, meanwhile, is unemployed and left to piss and moan to the media.
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It's called employment at-will. Your Packer Backer buddy was a ****ing employee who elected to disobey management. Period.
Exactly. I've had to send employees home for wearing inappropriate clothing. Most, if not all, get the hint and don't do it again. Of course all this has to be documented in triplicate while following the complete HR procedures.
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We always had a friendly rivalry at Cubs/Cards game, never saw any trouble.
At the last Cubs/Cards game I went to at Wrigley Field, I got shit on by a pigeon.
Musta been the Cubs T-shirt I had on.
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He was told to change his tie five times before he was finally fired. He's a car salesman in Chicago, if he can't see how wearing a Packers ties in that city affects the business he worked in, I'm glad he was fired.
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He was told to change his tie five times before he was finally fired. He's a car salesman in Chicago, if he can't see how wearing a Packers ties in that city affects the business he worked in, I'm glad he was fired.
If true, I didn't read the article, I'm in absolute agreement.
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BS for equating Chicago fans with DUmmies.
As for the smug, self-pitying idiot being fired, the Webb Auto Group spends in excess of $20,000 a month on radio advertising on the Bears' flagship station, not to mention the fact that they provide a player or two with free use of their vehicles. He was told to remove the tie, and evidently he neglected to remember who the **** it is that pays him and declined to do so.
Defending this insolent schmuck by calling Bear fans assholes and sore losers is a DUmmy move if ever I saw one.
Shame on you, Rev. :hammer:
Alright. Forget the bear fan thing for a second. I'll get back to it. (Well, people in general.) What about the maturity thing? To fire a guy over a sports themed tie? Really. I understand it's the Monday after. I understand the GM was butthurt. I also understand that the GM lays down the rules, but honestly; How mature is one to say "Take off a tie, or you're done." It's not like it said "**** the Bears" on the tie, now is it?
Inevitably, the issue of effecting finances, and how they make money is going to come up. This is where my second point comes in. If a fan of the Bears, a rival to the Packers, or even a person who don't give a damn about sports walks in, sees the tie, and immediately leaves, or complains to beat the band, you may not sell the car. Here's the thing though. If the customer is so petty as to stamp his feet, and whine about a TIE, (as the manager did) chances are, you weren't going to sell to the customer anyway. Or it was at least going to be an extremely hard sell since the guy nitpicks.
Just my opinion, but I see no reason what so ever for this guy's freedom of expression to be infringed upon when it hurts absolutely nobody.
Seriously...in the world we live in today, these small beans are really what we're (the GM) going to complain about?
He was told to change his tie five times before he was finally fired. He's a car salesman in Chicago, if he can't see how wearing a Packers ties in that city affects the business he worked in, I'm glad he was fired.
And it's really not like he was wearing a huge lip ring, nose ring, had a giant tat on his neck or anything. It was a simple little article of clothing that could be mostly covered by a suit, sir. I understand rivalries go deep, buty some need to grow thicker skin. I've seen people wear Viking jerseys, etc around my neck of the woods. Light ribbing gets flung around, and that's the end of it. I have already explained about the affecting business part.
And thanks, DOC.
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Just my opinion, but I see no reason what so ever for this guy's freedom of expression to be infringed upon when it hurts absolutely nobody.
Seriously...in the world we live in today, these small beans are really what we're (the GM) going to complain about?
Are you ****ing serious?!?!?!? $20,000 a ****ing month in ad expenditures to become the predominant advertiser on the Bears' ****ing flagship station in order to align your entire multi-million-dollar-a-year operation with an NFL franchise, and you give me this "small beans" shit?!?!?
I can't believe, as a conservative, that you're making this argument. I'm honestly stunned by your obtuseness.
Here's the thing though. If the customer is so petty as to stamp his feet, and whine about a TIE, (as the manager did) chances are, you weren't going to sell to the customer anyway. Or it was at least going to be an extremely hard sell since the guy nitpicks.
It isn't about trying to sell a car to a die-hard Bear fan, Rev, it's called "branding." It'd be like an employee of Bud Light - THE OFFICIAL BEER OF THE NFL (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704866204575224843309316732.html), showing up to work in a ****ing Miller Lite t-shirt, then bitching all over the press about how his "freedom of expression" was somehow being violated when he gets shitcanned over it!!!!
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Guess dude will learn next time management tells him to change his attire, won't he?
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I hope this guy can not collect unemployment. It must hurt to be that stupid.
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BS for generalizing. I'm not a Chicago native, but the fans are quite knowledgable and not especially nasty, as compared with other cities that I've visited to see sporting events.
BS for BS a Packer's fan.
I don't even like the Packers, but I like them more than da Bears.
Carry on.
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He was told to change his tie five times before he was finally fired. He's a car salesman in Chicago, if he can't see how wearing a Packers ties in that city affects the business he worked in, I'm glad he was fired.
You know he is going to get free tickets to the superbowl out of this right?
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UPDATE: There's a happy ending to John Stone's story. The 34-year-old-father of two who got fired for wearing a Green Bay Packers tie has been hired at another dealership.
Stone was fired Monday from his job as a car salesman at Webb Chevrolet in the Chicago suburb of Oak Lawn. He says he wore the Packers tie Monday to honor his late grandmother, who was a big Green Bay fan.
But that kind of sentimentality didn't impress his boss, Jerry Roberts. Roberts addmitted firing Stone for wearing the tie and says the dealership has done promotions involving the Bears and was afraid the tie could alienate the team's fans and make it harder to sell cars.
^snip^
Stone says he was never told about the promotion, and as far as regrets. He doesn't have any.
"If I had never worn this tie, I would never know his true feelings about me," Stone said.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/nationworld/wire/wgntv-packers-fan-fired-for-tie-jan24,0,6039863.story
Rock on John!!
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UPDATE: There's a happy ending to John Stone's story. The 34-year-old-father of two who got fired for wearing a Green Bay Packers tie has been hired at another dealership.
Stone was fired Monday from his job as a car salesman at Webb Chevrolet in the Chicago suburb of Oak Lawn. He says he wore the Packers tie Monday to honor his late grandmother, who was a big Green Bay fan.
Stone says he was never told about the promotion, and as far as regrets. He doesn't have any.
Rock on John!!
Wonderful...
Now we have cavers defending dishonest leeches (aka primitives).
BS for compromising your principles because you think it's ****ing funny.
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Wonderful...
Now we have cavers defending dishonest leeches (aka primitives).
BS for compromising your principles because you think it's ****ing funny.
:lmao:
I honestly could give a flying phuck, but whatever. BS for caring about the actions of some schmuck Packer's fan in Illinois this much.
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FIRST ATTEMPT:
Supervisor: "Please take that Packers tie off."
Salesman: "No."
SECOND ATTEMPT:
Supervisor: "What do I have to do to get you out of your Packers tie today and into a new Bears tie?"
Salesman:"Ha. I see what you did there. But still no, thanks."
THIRD ATTEMPT:
Supervisor: "Look, I'm not screwing around anymore. Take the tie off."
Salesman: "Or what? Are you going to fight me?"
Supervisor: "I'll do what I have to do."
Salesman: "Come on! Fight me! All I need to do is land one punch to your knee and you'll be down like Cutler."
Supervisor: "This doesn't have to get ugly."
Salesman: "Too late. I'm wearing a Green Bay Packers tie. It's plenty ugly."
FOURTH ATTEMPT:
Supervisor: "This is your last warning. Take the tie off or I'm going to have to fire you. We have a relationship with the Bears. You can't be wearing a Packers tie here."
Salesman: "I'm pretty sure no one associated with the Bears is going to be coming into the dealership today. We don't sell hearses. Boom. Roasted."
FIFTH ATTEMPT:
Supervisor: "Last chance. Take the tie off or you're fired."
Salesman: "No."
Supervisor: "Then you're fired. Hand over your ID badge and clean out your desk."
Salesman: "Are you serious?"
Supervisor: "One hundred percent serious. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to call Todd Collins and let him know that we're hiring after all."
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=6057630
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:lmao:
I honestly could give a flying phuck, but whatever. BS for caring about the actions of some schmuck Packer's fan in Illinois this much.
BS for for claiming not to give a flying ****, yet opening your piehole anyway. :lmao:
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Yes the boss is the boss and you have to do what he says, for the most part, but it was still a stupid management decision. Stone sold 14 cars in the previous month. That's 40% above average:
http://www.caranswer.info/trade/How-many-cars-does-the-average-car-salesman-sell-in-his-her-first-month---Buying.html
No wonder he was scooped up quickly.
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BS for for claiming not to give a flying ****, yet opening your piehole anyway. :lmao:
It's killing you that you have to wait to BS me again isn't it?
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:rotf:
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Yes the boss is the boss and you have to do what he says, for the most part, but it was still a stupid management decision. Stone sold 14 cars in the previous month. That's 40% above average:
http://www.caranswer.info/trade/How-many-cars-does-the-average-car-salesman-sell-in-his-her-first-month---Buying.html
No wonder he was scooped up quickly.
He only worked there for a little more than a month too. He's already got a new job, and will most likely get an overnight delivery of SB tickets from the Packers.
He sure as hell has no regrets.
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:therock:
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It's killing you that you have to wait to BS me again isn't it?
See ya in the FC, Nancy.
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See ya in the FC, Nancy.
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Are you ****ing serious?!?!?!? $20,000 a ****ing month in ad expenditures to become the predominant advertiser on the Bears' ****ing flagship station in order to align your entire multi-million-dollar-a-year operation with an NFL franchise, and you give me this "small beans" shit?!?!?
Tribute to his grandmother, I don't remember reading. However, I think if that was the case, there should be a little propriety there. There's most likely Bengals fans working in the Steel city. Chiefs fans working in the Mile High city, etc. EVERY city has rival fans working for a company, and that company most likely shells out at least a portion of their money in support of that state team. What are we going to do next? Ban any rival colors one can wear in a team's city? Come on, Neo...
I can't believe, as a conservative, that you're making this argument. I'm honestly stunned by your obtuseness.
Hang on a minute:
1. That's that. Sometimes we're all a bit dense. Especially in the opinions of others. I never claimed to always be 100% insightful on every subject.
2. I also never ever claimed to be died in the wool conservative. I in fact, have claimed, and still claim to be independent leaning more conservative. Just wanted to clear that up.
It isn't about trying to sell a car to a die-hard Bear fan, Rev, it's called "branding." It'd be like an employee of Bud Light - THE OFFICIAL BEER OF THE NFL (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704866204575224843309316732.html), showing up to work in a ****ing Miller Lite t-shirt, then bitching all over the press about how his "freedom of expression" was somehow being violated when he gets shitcanned over it!!!!
Not exactly. Somewhat, but not exactly. In your example, we're talking about unequivocally showing a lack of respect for the company. In this example, (if true) we're talking about a tribute to one's grandmother. I'm not sure there was any intentional "**** you." there at all, actually. Bottom line though...I would not have done this at all. It was indeed kind of a bonehead move, and it cost him his job. Unfairly in my view, but there you have it.
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Well said, Rev. Thanks. :cheersmate:
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Well, now that the fireworks are largely over, my own take on this is the sales guy threw the gauntlet down when he basically told the boss to **** off, that he wasn't going to take his tie off.
There's only one thing that should happen when an employee throws the gauntlet down not just in front of his boss, but the whole damned dealership -
The ****stick does the dufflebag drag.
It matters not how many cars the ****stick has sold, it matters not if the guy has been there for 40 years or 40 days - it's a disciplinary matter at that point.
So adios, ****stick. Go wear your tie someplace else.
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"What do I have to do to get you out of your Packers tie today and into a new Bears tie?"
I lol'd.
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Five times he was asked? And the dude had only been there a month? :thatsright: Owie.
Gotta love the media for blowing this one up.
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It's not as if car salesmen usually stick around the same place for long anyway. A few do, but a vast majority generally hop from dealership to dealership over time.
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:lmao:
I honestly could give a flying phuck, but whatever. BS for caring about the actions of some schmuck Packer's fan in Illinois this much.
Red Sox suck balls.
Tom Brady is teh ghey.
I laugh daily about the fact the Bruins haven't won a Stanley Cup in almost 40 years and the DUCKS, a team invented by DISNEY over a ****ing MOVIE, have won within the last 4 years.
Celtics. Is that Gaelic for, "Laker's Bitches?"
And you think YOU have rivalries? When's the last time Raider fan STABBED a Pats fan during a game? Or a Dodger fan killed not one but TWO Sox fans after a game?
And you call SoCal fans "soft".
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Red Sox suck balls.
Tom Brady is teh ghey.
I laugh daily about the fact the Bruins haven't won a Stanley Cup in almost 40 years and the DUCKS, a team invented by DISNEY over a ****ing MOVIE, have won within the last 4 years.
Celtics. Is that Gaelic for, "Laker's Bitches?"
And you think YOU have rivalries? When's the last time Raider fan STABBED a Pats fan during a game? Or a Dodger fan killed not one but TWO Sox fans after a game?
And you call SoCal fans "soft".
Denver. Enough said.
Angels. Come on Sparky. Winning the big game a clear challenge for them, oui?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=laangelspost
I can't believe you are seriously ranking on the Celtics. Come on.
I don't follow hockey (never have) so I won't comment on the Bruins.
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Sox--no postseason.
Pats--six states went on suicide watch a week ago last Sunday.
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Sox--no postseason.
Pats--six states went on suicide watch a week ago last Sunday.
History.
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History.
The tears of the Pats faithful are still watering down their beers.
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The tears of the Pats faithful are still watering down their beers.
Sparky, we bleed red, not Foxboro.
No tears, no matter how much you wish it to be so.