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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Georgia Bulldog on January 19, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
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I know it's just my opinion but the left has nothing remotely close to a Michelle Malkin.
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adigal (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:01 PM
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I need to find a left-wing Michelle Malkin for my class
I am teaching rhetoric to my class, I have shown them a Michelle Malkin editorial, and I am trying to find someone far out on the left, with the same kind of almost-violent rhetoric, but I am having trouble. Any suggestions??? Thanks,
Adigal
Got to love how they try to paint the conservative commentators they despise as having 'almost-violent rhetoric' when nothing could be further from the truth.
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WHAT? No welfare receiving, foodstamp gobling, unemployable, dope smoking, basement dwelling DU members got time to do it?
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WHAT? No welfare receiving, foodstamp gobling, unemployable, dope smoking, basement dwelling DU members got time to do it?
I guess not, at least in the fog some their minds tend to stay in.
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someone far out on the left, with the same kind of almost-violent rhetoric
And she's having a difficult time with this? :mental:
Bill Maher made a fool of himself twice in the last month. It's the most I've heard from him in years.
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Why doesn't the DUmmie just use a Malloy transcript?
MIKE MALLOY (31:15): The rhetoric that comes from me is the rhetoric of rage...and, um, have their been violent images? Of course. Rush Limbaugh choking on his throat fat - that you know, to me, is not a threat - I can't - I wish I could, but I can't reach into his throat and jiggle up his throat fat so he suffocates - I can't do it.
radio equalizer (http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2011/01/libtalker-doubles-down-on-hateful.html)
That sure sounds like he is trying to incite violence.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNQlSxqPSD4[/youtube]
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Finally got some responses:
itsrobert (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:06 PM
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1. Does not exist.
Your editorial would be better if you did not try and pull a "they do it too" main stream media argument.
ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:07 PM
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2. Nope. None.
NGU.
Journeyman (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:08 PM
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3. I believe your best hope, adigal, is to start penning violent ravings yourself. . .
otherwise, I don't believe you'll find anyone on the left with that flavor of kookiness. . .
NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:08 PM
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4. you won't find 'violent' rhetoric but your class may be enlightened by
Edited on Wed Jan-19-11 12:12 PM by NMDemDist2
Noam Chomsky or Amy Goodman
edit to add link http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20100124.htm http://www.chomsky.info/talks/20100408.htm
w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:10 PM
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5. The problem is.. ours have facts to back up their rhetoric..
you won't find anyone since 2002-2005,honestly,with over-the-top .. and even then,the writings were fact based.
Johonny (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:10 PM
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6. Ted Rall
He does call for open revolution against the government:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/20110112/cm_ucru/somewease...
I think Ted's not as insane as Michelle but no one that insane would get onto the op ed page as a regular contributor on the left. Ted's about as wacky as you get for the left.
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:10 PM
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7. Don't.
Why waste your students' time to push a false idea?
Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:12 PM
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8. Thank you! Why perpetuate the "both sides are equally guilty" falsehood?
DBoon (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:13 PM
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9. Bob Avakian?
of course you need to point out that Michelle Malkin is considered a mainstream pundit with a regular show on a major network, while the Revolutionary Communist Party is a bunch of marginalized freaks consigned to handing out newspapers on street corners
Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:14 PM
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10. I'm sure you could find a liberal equivalent but no one with her following
It's misleading to your students to present "both sides" without the important context of one side having a WAY bigger megaphone.
yodermon (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:14 PM
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11. Have your studends search for the left-wing violent rhetoric.
When they can't find any either... <insert learning-moment here>
bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:15 PM
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12. Ted Rall is pretty bad
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:16 PM
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13. Randi Rhodes?
*ducks*
leveymg (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:16 PM
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14. Google "spokeswoman violent leftist rhetoric" turns up no one. Next thought, Rosa Luxemburg,
Edited on Wed Jan-19-11 12:23 PM by leveymg
but you have to go back nearly a century. The 1919 Spartacist uprising in Germany, in which she became a reluctant but effective aggitator for the Communist insurgents, ended very badly for those involved, including Ms. Luxemburg.
I think you've pointed out an essential difference between the contemporary Right and Left: the embrace of violent rhetoric by the former, and the near absence of it by the latter. I would point to decades of McCarthyism and repression of the Left as one reason.
TexasProgresive (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:21 PM
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15. You might have to look outside the USA and in history
Mao, Stalin and perhaps you could look to some of the more radical American leftists of the 30s 40s and perhaps the 60s. ie for the latter Weather Underground, Black Panthers, the Yippies to name a few and some names-Huey P. Newton, Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Eldridge Cleaver, Kwame Toure and Dave Dellinger.
I don't think there are many today on the left who use the kind of rhetoric of the right wing pundits but I could be wrong. Good luck with your class.
BTW it might be a good project for them to find some on the left that are as vitriolic as the right. If they can't find any that would be a great post for the greatest page here.
leveymg (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:24 PM
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16. Weather Underground fixture Bernadette Dorne,
but she and her common law husband may have been agents provocateur.
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How about the anti-Semite and troll Helen Thomas?
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Michelle herself can help you:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/
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I know it's just my opinion but the left has nothing remotely close to a Michelle Malkin.
I agree. They don't have anyone as classy or intelligent by a long shot.
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I think the best the democrat party can do might be Chazz Bono, or maybe Susan Estrich.
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Ed Schultz?
He's got bigger tits too.
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I cannot believe those responses. We need an icon of an ostrich with its head in the sand. It would get over-used, though.
I like the DUmmies' suggestion to have to students go out and see what they can find. Talk about a <learning moment.>
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Shooting fish in a barrel. Here's one from Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2281645/):
Good Riddance, Joe Lieberman
Why I loathe my Connecticut senator.By Emily Bazelon
Posted Wednesday, Jan. 19, 2011, at 12:00 AM ET
My corner of Connecticut was covered in ice today, until news broke of Sen. Joe Lieberman's impending retirement. Magically, a warm glow spread. It was a delicious feeling: the end of the reign of the politician I despise most.
Why do I loathe, loathe, loathe my 68-year-old four-term senator? My feelings are all the stronger for being fairly irrational. Lieberman's views are closer to mine than many politicians on whom I don't expend one iota of emotional energy. This, of course, is his power: He never loses his power to disappoint. Then there is the spectacle of it all: After each act of grand or petty betrayal, each time he turns on his former supporters, the Democratic Party and the Obama administration came back begging for more. Throughout the last Congress, he never let anyone forget he was the 60th vote.
It wasn't always so, at least not to me. When I first moved to Connecticut in 1989, during Lieberman's first term, he seemed entirely unobjectionable. In 1998, after I moved here to the state a second time, I went to hear him speak. In 2001, I wrote a respectful piece for the Washington Post (I can't find it online) about how Lieberman's observance of Jewish law, as Al Gore's running mate, had offered a welcome means for thinking about the accommodation of religious differences. What was I thinking? How did I miss the sanctimony beneath the kippah? As my friend Caleb puts it, "Even when he was a good liberal Democrat (coming up through the state legislature and as attorney general in the '70s and '80s, for example), it was driven, I am sure, by opportunism rather than conviction."
ON edit, I'm not agreeing that Malkin is full of hate. I'm simply showing that there are dozens of hateful hacks on the left. Of course, It's different. :whatever:
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adigal (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:01 PM
Original message
I need to find a left-wing Michelle Malkin for my class I am teaching rhetoric to my class, I have shown them a Michelle Malkin editorial, and I am trying to find someone far out on the left, with the same kind of almost-violent rhetoric, but I am having trouble. Any suggestions??? Thanks, Adigal
So what you're saying is that you're looking for a radical then, right?? That shouldn't be too hard to find seeing as those on the VERY left are radicals/anarcharists to begin with.
Check the White Mosque. There are a bunch there.
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Try Maureen Dowd
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The OP DUchebag should lose her job for propagandizing her students.
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This is a ****in' teacher, teachin' young minds full o' mush? Anyone know where this POS teaches? I sure would like to get off an email to the Super of Schools in her/his district!
First there "AbigailAsshat", how 'bout you list Michelle's violent rhetoric?
The thought of you teaching makes my toe nails curl! You need to be taken down, and now!!!!!!!
You better hope I don't find out where you teach!
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The late Molly Ivins was a hateful old bitch.
Plenty of hate-filled rhetoric in her columns.
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I don't know...when I do a google search for "left wing hate speech" I get a whole swath of choices.
Cindie
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The late Molly Ivins was a hateful old bitch.
Plenty of hate-filled rhetoric in her columns.
hey Coach, ya got any idea who this dipshit teacher is? I've done a little research, but can't pin her down to any locality.
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What about Nadine?
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Sorry, misread what she wanted. Sgt Schultz.
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Joanne98, just read the "conservatives are all pathological liars" thread.
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Janene Garafalo-ho.
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Michelle Malkin is a smart, classy and witty lady. Who also happens to be hotter than fish grease.
Can't think of anyone on the left that fits that description.
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I listen to Michelle Malkin and I read her column everyday. Not once - ever - have I heard her advocate violence towards any human being. She's got a sharp tongue and she says what's on her mind, but I am pretty sure she doesn't advocate violence.
The DUmmies apparently equate free speech and stating facts as being violent somehow. That's why they are DUmmies.
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Why doesn't the DUmmie just use a Malloy transcript?
radio equalizer (http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2011/01/libtalker-doubles-down-on-hateful.html)
That sure sounds like he is trying to incite violence.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNQlSxqPSD4[/youtube]
EXCELLENT find. I heard that on his stupid little radio show, actually. I have another Mike that primitive could use for rhetoric that is almost as good. Michael Moore. He uses all the hate speech he can get his fat little voice around (Yes. I think his VOICE is even fat.) Ed Shultz has also been known to use violent rhetoric. Hell, she could pick some of the columnists from the Kos too.
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I suggest Ed Schultz
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I suggest Ed Schultz
Actually, it's pretty pointless to look around for a left-wing "equivalent" of Michelle Malkin.
In this entire lifetime, which has not been exactly short, columnists considered "conservative" have been pretty mild and measured in their rhetoric, while columnists considered "liberal" have been rabid and inflammatory.
Cal Thomas, for example, is nothing, nothing at all, when compared with the late Molly Ivins, when it comes to being harsh and judgemental and intolerant and hateful towards the other side.
Just as there is no right-wing equivalent of Anthony Lewis, Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Thomas Oliphant, Jonathan Chait, that Mark guy in San Francisco, Sulzberger Jr. of the New York Times, Ellen Goodman, Ann Quinlan, Nina Totenberg, Thomas Friedman, &c., &c., &c., and their constant irritating name-calling and labeling and slandering, there is no left-wing equivalent of columnists who consider all the facts, balance their judgement, and refrain from inflammatory rhetoric.
It's like comparing an orange with a penquin.
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Actually, it's pretty pointless to look around for a left-wing "equivalent" of Michelle Malkin.
In this entire lifetime, which has not been exactly short, columnists considered "conservative" have been pretty mild and measured in their rhetoric, while columnists considered "liberal" have been rabid and inflammatory.
Cal Thomas, for example, is nothing, nothing at all, when compared with the late Molly Ivins, when it comes to being harsh and judgemental and intolerant and hateful towards the other side.
Just as there is no right-wing equivalent of Anthony Lewis, Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Thomas Oliphant, Jonathan Chait, that Mark guy in San Francisco, Sulzberger Jr. of the New York Times, Ellen Goodman, Ann Quinlan, Nina Totenberg, Thomas Friedman, &c., &c., &c., and their constant irritating name-calling and labeling and slandering, there is no left-wing equivalent of columnists who consider all the facts, balance their judgement, and refrain from inflammatory rhetoric.
It's like comparing an orange with a penquin.
You name dropper you...... :-)...and the list could be longer.
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there is no left-wing equivalent of columnists who consider all the facts, balance their judgement, and refrain from inflammatory rhetoric.
Frank, that's right. I was thinking about this last night, considering Michelle's 30 page document of evidence, showing for all the world to see, the facts of hateful-old-bitchery from the left. No leftwing commentator can show facts like that, all they do is "spew hate" as a DUmmie might say.
I think that the OP's question, "do we have a Michelle Malkin on the left" speaks volumes.
The DUmmies love to hate Glenn Beck, who is gentle as a lamb. Whenever he wishes to make a point, he plays video of a Fox-Piven, a Soros, a Van Jones, speaking their own words. Contrast that with Mike Malloy, who want to simply strangle anyone not in lockstep with himself.
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Not tyhat any Dumpmonkey would care but there are more then just a few no matter how much they deny it.
Rhandy Rhodes
Joy Behar
Whoopi Goldberg
Jane Fonda
Bill Mahr
Mike Malloy
Keith Oberman
Michale Moore
Tim Robbins
That's just a very short list DUmmies.