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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on January 17, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
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concreteblue (43 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-17-11 12:30 PM
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Studies that claim "Conservatives give more to charity"...
Has anyone ever looked at the methodology of the studies that claim conservatives give more to charity? I find it hard to believe. If i had time I would look at how "charity" is classified by the study, and I am sure that conservatives have give tons to "Charities" that are nothing more than RW support/propaganda orgs...just wondering. Wish someone would look into it...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x216045
What is so hard to believe about that?
Liberals believe the govt should be charity.
Conservatives believe charity is up to the individual.
Compare those two philosophies and tell me who would be more inclined to donate.
Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-17-11 12:33 PM
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2. I think a lot of it is to their megachurches
Every penny they donate to the monstrosities that goes toward retopping the basketball court or a new roof for the auditorium counts as "charity". Even if the church doesn't spend a penny on the poor in its community.
Just because you think this it must be true. I would need to see some kind of factual information to believe this.
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Yes, yes, we all know.
Conservatives are also "chickenhawks" but you also hate the military because it votes 80% republican.
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DUmmies prefer to give to the organization that murders unborn children, Planned Parenthood.
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DUmmies' thinking: "They know it will be taken off their taxes
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DUmmies prefer to give to the organization that murders unborn children, Planned Parenthood.
Remember they aren't really a life. That is what they say anyway. :mental:
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon Jan-17-11 12:33 PM
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1. Most ultra rich tend to be conservative.
So the ultra rich giving 1% to charity in nominal terms would be more than working class family giving 10% of their income.
I'm ultra rich? who knew?
Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon Jan-17-11 12:33 PM
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2. I think a lot of it is to their megachurches
Every penny they donate to the monstrosities that goes toward retopping the basketball court or a new roof for the auditorium counts as "charity". Even if the church doesn't spend a penny on the poor in its community.
I go to a mega-Church? I think the Charities I give to regularly would beg to differ.
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I'm ultra rich? who knew?
At DU if you make more than min wage, you are rich.
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and I am sure that conservatives have give tons to "Charities" that are nothing more than RW support/propaganda orgs
:blah: I've donated to adoption agencies. Who do you donate to? NARAL? :bird:
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At DU if you make more than min wage, you are rich.
Also, if I remember the study I read correctly, Conservatives gave more both in percentage of income and overall amount. In fact, some of the states with the lowest incomes had the highest rates of charitable donations.
on edit: found it
- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html)
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Also, if I remember the study I read correctly, Conservatives gave more both in percentage of income and overall amount. In fact, some of the states with the lowest incomes had the highest rates of charitable donations.
http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?year=2005
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-17-11 12:55 PM
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7. Do you have a credible link?
By credible I mean a source other that Fox, Rasmussen or any of the RW Media Hatemongers.
If not the discussion would cancel itself out and need not go any further.
:lalala:
Rasmussen spreading vile hate and violence and vitriol and junk!!!!!!!
Statistical, very wealthy people tend to be liberal democrats.
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From the catalog of philanthropy:
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj140/RepublicanandProud/charity1.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj140/RepublicanandProud/charity2.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj140/RepublicanandProud/charity3.jpg)
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What the hell is a mega church?
Its funny, before FDR set up the welfare state, charities were quite exstensive and help was always available if someone really needed it.
There were no homeless, of course there were problems during teh great depression but taht was a global event, the left totally over reactted to it and we still are suffering from 'new deal' politics to this day.
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Damn, just missed the top ten! They should per population in that table to show DUmmies how selfish they really are!
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You may recall from the 2008 campaign that Plugs Biden, while reporting $300,000 - $400,000 annual income, had averaged around $300 per year in charitable donations for the past ten years. That's twenty-five bucks a month. We spend close to that on Girl Scout cookies. But he sure is willing to give billions of our money to freeloaders.
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I don't donate to a "mega-church", but I do donate to a Christian organization that helps out young mothers who have decided against murdering their unborn babies. I'm sure the DUmmies would hate the place as it is Christian. Plus it shoots down their abortion talking point of "the pro-life don't care about the babies after they are born".
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon Jan-17-11 12:33 PM
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2. I think a lot of it is to their megachurches
Every penny they donate to the monstrosities that goes toward retopping the basketball court or a new roof for the auditorium counts as "charity". Even if the church doesn't spend a penny on the poor in its community.
Would this be the same basketball court that the communist community organizer plays on? "Megachurch", like the one that Obozo went to for 20 years?
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Raise your hand if you have ever been to a church that doesn't support one or more mission program. My church has a women's retreat every year where we choose a cause/charity to support for the year. I refuse to give to United Way because they support too many liberal causes. I do give to the Salvation Army. We had a couple people come talk to our church a few years ago and I was so impressed I've been giving them money every year. Of course we've also volunteered for Scouts and Civil Air Patrol which I'm sure are considered right wing organizations and don't count.
Cindie
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I personally don't give much to charity, maybe a few bucks here and there but nothing much. I do buy a donate toys to children organizations every year though.
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Raise your hand if you have ever been to a church that doesn't support one or more mission program. My church has a women's retreat every year where we choose a cause/charity to support for the year. I refuse to give to United Way because they support too many liberal causes. I do give to the Salvation Army. We had a couple people come talk to our church a few years ago and I was so impressed I've been giving them money every year. Of course we've also volunteered for Scouts and Civil Air Patrol which I'm sure are considered right wing organizations and don't count.
Cindie
Yep. The local churches here take most charities in rotation. One month, we donate to the Crisis Pregnancy Center, one month to the Food Bank, one month to the home for Indian orphans, etc. We donate to missions. Of course, we send Christmas gifts to the Indian home and to local kids, and pack boxes for Operation Christmas Child. And we donated facilities and food to the groups that came to do charity work in the area. We have an apartment available for use by a single parent that needs help for a while, or someone that needs shelter from abuse. Of course, the list goes on and on...not that any DUmmy would recognize the fact. They are obsessed with the idea that conservatives are as greedy and selfish as they are.
I just loved this quote that Ballygrl copied over:
Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon Jan-17-11 12:33 PM
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1. Most ultra rich tend to be conservative.
So the ultra rich giving 1% to charity in nominal terms would be more than working class family giving 10% of their income.
Up until recent years when their income increased sharply from book revenues and a Senate salary, Obama's family donated a relatively minor amount of its earnings to charity. From 2000 through 2004, the senator and his wife never gave more than $3,500 a year in charitable donations -- about 1 percent of their annual earnings. In 2005, however, that total jumped to $77,315 (4.7 percent of annual earnings), and to $60,307 in 2006 (6.1 percent).
The money went to several organizations. More than $27,000 total was given to Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ, whose former pastor Jeremiah Wright has dominated recent news coverage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/obama-tax-returns-low-on-_n_93353.html
My, my...talk about the ultra-rich that don't give...or give to their **gasp** churches. At least our churches are involved in the Lord's work, not in preaching racism.
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The reason the DUmmies don't give to charities is because it would cut into their pot and Cheeto money
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I personally don't give much to charity, maybe a few bucks here and there but nothing much. I do buy a donate toys to children organizations every year though.
Me either... to organized charities that is*. I do help out people/families in the community though. They always tell me they will pay me back. I respond that yes you will... after you get back on your feet you will repay me by helping out someone else when they need it. That is what a man told me many years ago when the Perky family fell on hard times and his assistance helped us thru. I never forgot it. Hopefully the people I help don't either.
*I will say around Christmas time I do put my change in the salvation army's kettles. Dunno why, I just always do.
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As long as we're on a charity thread I might as well plug my favorite: USO (http://www.uso.org/).
Cindie
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Most DUmmies donate only to The Human Fund.
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Most DUmmies donate only to The Human Fund.
Is that what they call their dealers now?
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Raise your hand if you have ever been to a church that doesn't support one or more mission program. My church has a women's retreat every year where we choose a cause/charity to support for the year. I refuse to give to United Way because they support too many liberal causes. I do give to the Salvation Army. We had a couple people come talk to our church a few years ago and I was so impressed I've been giving them money every year. Of course we've also volunteered for Scouts and Civil Air Patrol which I'm sure are considered right wing organizations and don't count.
Cindie
I know our parish takes up donations for mission work, and in the past my parish has 'sistered' with a parish abroad-we send them money, supplies, food, etc.
I am very picky about who I donate to. I give to our parish (not as much as I would like, but that will be changing soon) and to the Best Friends Animal Society. I used to donate to Komen, but once I found out how much they donated to Planned Parenthood, I stopped. I was I wish I could get all that money back!
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I knew a fellow once that had the reputation of being a rounder, an asshole. He ran a juke-joint, sold used cars, etc., anything to make a LEGAL dollar....but maybe not pay all the taxes he should have. Whenever he heard of someone in need, be it their home burned, kid sick, truly down on their luck family, he was the first to press one or more $100 bills in someones hand and tell them, "See to it that they get (this or whatever) and don't tell them where it came from". Then if in a group, he would turn to the group and say something like, "You need to chip in some, you damn tightwads." He could raise more cash money in 30 seconds for a worthy cause than some organizations could in a week.
I guess he didn't want the world to know he was just an old softy at heart.
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Is that what they call their dealers now?
(http://freeworldradionetwork.net/SituationAwareness/uploaded_images/humanfund-731387.jpg)
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What is so hard to believe about that?
Liberals believe the govt should be charity.
Conservatives believe charity is up to the individual.
Compare those two philosophies and tell me who would be more inclined to donate.
Amen. My staunchly conservative Republican in-laws, when times were better, had at least half a dozen charities they gave to, not counting weekly church donations as well as working with their church's food pantry and doing other things. They still remain very charitable, even though they can't give as much as they used to.
Leftists might give, if they have enough money. Otherwise, they sit around with their hands out and demand charity from the government. Most of the time, that's the behavior I've observed from Leftists - they hoard all their money, only care about themselves, and think the government should do their giving for them.
After all, if the government legislates and regulates charity for them, they don't have to do it, themselves. They don't have to do the hard work of dipping into their own personal savings or force themselves to part with their money if the government does it for them. And, they can part with less if the government is also taking from everyone else as well.
Way to go, DUmmies.