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Written by Editor
By Europe Union Times
Foreign Ministry reports circulating in the Kremlin are warning that an already explosive situation in the United States is about to get a whole lot worse as a new law put forth by President Obama is said capable of seeing up to 500,000 American citizens jailed for the crime of opposing their government.
Sparking the concern of Russian diplomats over the growing totalitarian bent of the Obama government is the planned reintroduction of what these reports call one of the most draconian laws ever introduced in a free society that is titled “The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Actâ€.
First introduced in the US Congress in 2007 by Democratic Representative Jane Harmon, this new law passed the US House of Representatives by a secretive voice vote, but failed to pass the US Senate, after which it was believed dead until this past week when it was embraced by Obama who became the first American President to name his own citizens as a threat to his Nations security.
In what is called the National Security Strategy document, that is required of US Presidents by their Congress, that embraces the dictatorial ideals of the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Actâ€, Obama has ordered his Federal police and intelligence forces to begin targeting Americans opposed to him and his radical socialist polices.
Obama’s top counter-terrorism advisor, John Brennan, in speaking to reporters about this new “strategy†says it makes the problem of home-grown terrorists a top priority because an increasing number of individuals in the US have become “captivated by extremist ideology or causes.â€
The Times of London is further reporting that Obama’s new National Security Strategy “officially†ends America’s “War on Terror†in what they call “a sweeping repudiation of the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive military strikes.â€
And as Obama begins re-focusing his forces from fighting America’s foreign enemies, to those opposed to him in his own country, it is important to remember the warning about this new law given by the former CIA official, Philip Giraldi, who had previously warned of the Bush-Cheney plan to attack Iran with nuclear weapons, and who said:
“The mainstream media has made no effort to inform the public of the impending Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. The Act, which was sponsored by Congresswoman Jane Harman of California, was passed in the House by an overwhelming 405 to 6 vote on October 24th and is now awaiting approval by the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which is headed by Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut.
Harman’s bill contends that the United States will soon have to deal with home grown terrorists and that something must be done to anticipate and neutralize the problem. The act deals with the issue through the creation of a congressional commission that will be empowered to hold hearings, conduct investigations, and designate various groups as “homegrown terrorists.â€
The commission will be tasked to propose new legislation that will enable the government to take punitive action against both the groups and the individuals who are affiliated with them. Like Joe McCarthy and HUAC in the past, the commission will travel around the United States and hold hearings to find the terrorists and root them out.
Unlike inquiries in the past where the activity was carried out collectively, the act establishing the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Commission will empower all the members on the commission to arrange hearings, obtain testimony, and even to administer oaths to witnesses, meaning that multiple hearings could be running simultaneously in various parts of the country.
The ten commission members will be selected for their “expertise,†though most will be appointed by Congress itself and will reflect the usual political interests. They will be paid for their duties at the senior executive pay scale level and will have staffs and consultants to assist them.
Harman’s bill does not spell out terrorist behavior and leaves it up to the Commission itself to identify what is terrorism and what isn’t.
Language inserted in the act does partially define “homegrown terrorism†as “planning†or “threatening†to use force to promote a political objective, meaning that just thinking about doing something could be enough to merit the terrorist label.
The act also describes “violent radicalization†as the promotion of an “extremist belief system†without attempting to define “extremist.â€
As an example of those American’s Obama will be targeting, Giraldi further writes that The Simon Wiesenthal Center, in testifying before the US Congress in support of this new law, swore that an organization called “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth†was an example of a homegrown terrorist organization, leading one Russian diplomat in this report to state:
“If 1,200 of America’s top architectural and engineering professionals are deemed terrorists simply because they question their governments propaganda than truly no one is safe in the United States anymoreâ€.
more here (http://www.freestatevoice.com.au/politics/item/567-obama-wants-to-jail-americans-with-new-law)
My questions are why are we finding out about this in a foreign newspaper & WHY hasn't our media told us about this??
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Well....this IS coming from the Kremlin......where propaganda isn't exactly unknown, reporting accuracy is considered an inconvenience, and hidden agendas are always present.
doc
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My questions are why are we finding out about this in a foreign newspaper & WHY hasn't our media told us about this??
There is so much our media won't tell or hide from us. Some of friends that watch the MSM outlets have no clue on some of the stuff I bring up.
No surprise there though. It's a shame.
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My questions are why are we finding out about this in a foreign newspaper & WHY hasn't our media told us about this??
It's amazing that I get more news from Pravda and British websites than I do my own Country's papers, which begs this question, how far can the mainstream media actually go as far as suppressing information or putting out mis-information? will someone or can someone strong enough actually call them on it to the point of making them actually do their job?
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If this is indeed accurate, I am appaled. If this comes to fruition, there will indeed be some kind of revolt/riots/overthrow.
This is all getting to be WAYYY too much.
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Well....this IS coming from the Kremlin......where propaganda isn't exactly unknown, reporting accuracy is considered an inconvenience, and hidden agendas are always present.
doc
Via a free state paper in the land of OZ. Color me skeptical on the source. Possible, yes, a little overblown, maybe.
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This news is coming from the Motherland so it must be true! ::)
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^ If I wasn't sure before, your comment is making me slightly more a believer.
Dammit.
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Written by Editor
By Europe Union Times
Foreign Ministry reports circulating in the Kremlin are warning that an already explosive situation in the United States is about to get a whole lot worse as a new law put forth by President Obama is said capable of seeing up to 500,000 American citizens jailed for the crime of opposing their government.
Sparking the concern of Russian diplomats over the growing totalitarian bent of the Obama government is the planned reintroduction of what these reports call one of the most draconian laws ever introduced in a free society that is titled “The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Actâ€.
First introduced in the US Congress in 2007 by Democratic Representative Jane Harmon, this new law passed the US House of Representatives by a secretive voice vote, but failed to pass the US Senate, after which it was believed dead until this past week when it was embraced by Obama who became the first American President to name his own citizens as a threat to his Nations security.
In what is called the National Security Strategy document, that is required of US Presidents by their Congress, that embraces the dictatorial ideals of the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Actâ€, Obama has ordered his Federal police and intelligence forces to begin targeting Americans opposed to him and his radical socialist polices.
Obama’s top counter-terrorism advisor, John Brennan, in speaking to reporters about this new “strategy†says it makes the problem of home-grown terrorists a top priority because an increasing number of individuals in the US have become “captivated by extremist ideology or causes.â€
The Times of London is further reporting that Obama’s new National Security Strategy “officially†ends America’s “War on Terror†in what they call “a sweeping repudiation of the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive military strikes.â€
And as Obama begins re-focusing his forces from fighting America’s foreign enemies, to those opposed to him in his own country, it is important to remember the warning about this new law given by the former CIA official, Philip Giraldi, who had previously warned of the Bush-Cheney plan to attack Iran with nuclear weapons, and who said:
“The mainstream media has made no effort to inform the public of the impending Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. The Act, which was sponsored by Congresswoman Jane Harman of California, was passed in the House by an overwhelming 405 to 6 vote on October 24th and is now awaiting approval by the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which is headed by Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut.
Harman’s bill contends that the United States will soon have to deal with home grown terrorists and that something must be done to anticipate and neutralize the problem. The act deals with the issue through the creation of a congressional commission that will be empowered to hold hearings, conduct investigations, and designate various groups as “homegrown terrorists.â€
The commission will be tasked to propose new legislation that will enable the government to take punitive action against both the groups and the individuals who are affiliated with them. Like Joe McCarthy and HUAC in the past, the commission will travel around the United States and hold hearings to find the terrorists and root them out.
Unlike inquiries in the past where the activity was carried out collectively, the act establishing the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Commission will empower all the members on the commission to arrange hearings, obtain testimony, and even to administer oaths to witnesses, meaning that multiple hearings could be running simultaneously in various parts of the country.
The ten commission members will be selected for their “expertise,†though most will be appointed by Congress itself and will reflect the usual political interests. They will be paid for their duties at the senior executive pay scale level and will have staffs and consultants to assist them.
Harman’s bill does not spell out terrorist behavior and leaves it up to the Commission itself to identify what is terrorism and what isn’t.
Language inserted in the act does partially define “homegrown terrorism†as “planning†or “threatening†to use force to promote a political objective, meaning that just thinking about doing something could be enough to merit the terrorist label.
The act also describes “violent radicalization†as the promotion of an “extremist belief system†without attempting to define “extremist.â€
As an example of those American’s Obama will be targeting, Giraldi further writes that The Simon Wiesenthal Center, in testifying before the US Congress in support of this new law, swore that an organization called “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth†was an example of a homegrown terrorist organization, leading one Russian diplomat in this report to state:
“If 1,200 of America’s top architectural and engineering professionals are deemed terrorists simply because they question their governments propaganda than truly no one is safe in the United States anymoreâ€.
Dunno... I can't find anything on the bill. There are all kinds of dumbass bills put forth in committee but never see the light of day. Something like this, 405-6? This was supposedly in October.. on the 24th. I would think the repubs, with the anticipation of taking the house by a large majority, would be screaming to high heaven. I'm not even sure they were in session on October 24th. Then we got the secret voice vote. I suspect that all the press would be around if congress is in session and would scream bloody murder if they were banned from the house during session.
Sorry... don't pass the smell test.
Just my 2 cents.
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it was a bill in the 110th congress.
read the whole article. It has a way of time distortion I'm not familiar with.
but why bring this up knowing it'll go viral?
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If Rush says anything about it, I'll be concerned then. I tried to google this so called law and/or news story and didn't come up with anything. However, I am not the best internet researcher out there so perhaps it's a valid story. Again, I'll worry if conservative talk show hosts cover the story.
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it was a bill in the 110th congress.
read the whole article. It has a way of time distortion I'm not familiar with.
but why bring this up knowing it'll go viral?
Do you know what the bill's number is? Like I said earlier... I don't think the house was even in session on the 24th.
I doubt it will go viral. I doubt it will go anywhere if the house wasn't in session on the 24th of October.
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Do you know what the bill's number is? Like I said earlier... I don't think the house was even in session on the 24th.
I doubt it will go viral. I doubt it will go anywhere if the house wasn't in session on the 24th of October.
The original bill appears to to have been HR 1955
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h1955/text (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h1955/text)
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But if it didn't pass the senate it can't be signed into law. Even if the senate passed a version of it, it'd have to go to the house again for final approval, I'd think. And this law would definitely be challenged. There are some things he can't do no matter how much he wants to be little Hitler (guess I'll find out since this post would probably be considered incendiary).
Cindie
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But if it didn't pass the senate it can't be signed into law. Even if the senate passed a version of it, it'd have to go to the house again for final approval, I'd think. And this law would definitely be challenged. There are some things he can't do no matter how much he wants to be little Hitler (guess I'll find out since this post would probably be considered incendiary).
Cindie
More to the point, now that we have a new Congress, don't they have to start the damned thing from scratch in order to get it in front of Comrade Barry during this congressional term?
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If a Russian press 'Analysis' tells you the sun is shining, you'd better stick your head out the window to check.
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Any bill that has not passed both the House and Senate before sine die is dead. But that does't mean Lord Zero might try to cut and paste the wording deep into some type of "regulation" :texas:
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Nothing he would do would suprise me anymore
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My questions are why are we finding out about this in a foreign newspaper & WHY hasn't our media told us about this??
Because the Europe Union Times makes Pravda look reputable by comparison. There's wrong, then there's these guys. They're the same ones who said there would be riots in March 2009 after Obama took office and a "revolution" would happen.
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More to the point, now that we have a new Congress, don't they have to start the damned thing from scratch in order to get it in front of Comrade Barry during this congressional term?
Yup.
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Yup.
This means that, since the Republicans took over the House, that it's goin' nowhere. It won't see the light of day.
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This means that, since the Republicans took over the House, that it's goin' nowhere. It won't see the light of day.
The last bill never even left committee. It might not even get brought up this Congress.
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The original bill appears to to have been HR 1955
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h1955/text (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h1955/text)
Pity the server is overloaded right now, or else I could see for myself.
Otherwise, I also assumed that with a new Congress, this bill would have to begin the process anew before it reached Comrade Obama's sacred desk. That much is a good thing, as I'm quite sure the Republicans won't let this get past the House.
However, even if it is not true, I'd not be surprised at all if Comrade Obama and Friends tried to pull something like this. After all, America is full of dangerous right-wing nutcases whose very words inspire random shootings and are full of violent rhetoric. We're bad, bad people because we don't instantly and unanimously agree with the all-loving, all-progressive, all-wise Democrats on every jot and tittle that comes out of their mouths. We're Constitution-fetishists, gun nuts, religious fanatics, and flag-waving crypto-Nazis just waiting for the order to come from Rush or Palin to strap on our jackboots and lead a gigantic putsch and exterminate the poor and the Left.
Why not throw us all in a gulag? ::)
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The last bill never even left committee. It might not even get brought up this Congress.
but what is to be gained by releasing this now. Especially on an Aussie web site?
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but what is to be gained by releasing this now. Especially on an Aussie web site?
You have to take any big 'scoop' on US politics that appears first in the foreign press, English language or otherwise, with an entire livestock mineral tub of salt. Our press may be myopic and often one-sided, but foreign press vetting/verification standards for stories (Except on unfavorable ones about any of their own national figures who could throw them in jail if pissed off enough) generally fall somewhere well below our supermarket tabloids.
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You have to take any big 'scoop' on US politics that appears first in the foreign press, English language or otherwise, with an entire livestock mineral tub of salt. Our press may be myopic and often one-sided, but foreign press vetting/verification standards for stories (Except on unfavorable ones about any of their own national figures who could throw them in jail if pissed off enough) generally fall somewhere well below our supermarket tabloids.
Absolutely true. Any statement by any member of the press has to be taken with a huge handful of salt until you can verify or disprove it. It's just good common sense - don't accept anything blindly.
If more people did that, the government and DUmmies the world over would have less power, much less.
Even so, I look forward to seeing what will become of this bill - will some elected DUmmy try to revive it, or will they try for other avenues of power? I suspect the latter, because the moment some moonbat proposes this to the new Congress, it will meet with much criticism from House Republicans and then it will get major airtime on Rush and Fox and so forth.
That would be a mess for the Left.
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OK apparently it was in the senate on Oct 24th of 2007. Maybe I misread the original timeline or something. I was under the impression that it was passed last year.
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 1955
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
October 24, 2007
It was passed by the house on October 24, 2007.
Link: bill here (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h1955/show)
Who had control of the US House in 2007? I may be wrong here but once the 110th congress went out of business doesn't any pending bills go in the trash can?
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I may be wrong here but once the 110th congress went out of business doesn't any pending bills go in the trash can?
Yep, it does.