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Title: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: NHSparky on January 09, 2011, 10:07:17 AM
BRACE YOURSELVES: Democrat Fred Phelps and Westboro Hate Group announce plans to picket 9-year-old shooting victim Christina Greene’s funeral. A new low for Democrat hate groups.

LINK TO HILLBUZZ (http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/09/brace-yourselves-democrat-fred-phelps-and-westboro-hate-group-announce-plans-to-picket-9-year-old-shooting-victim-christina-greenes-funeral-a-new-low-for-democrat-hate-groups/)

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The Left does some truly despicable things in this world, but this is a new low for Democrats.

Former three-time Democrat gubernatorial candidate Fred Phelps Jr. (commonly called just “Fred Phelps”) and his Westboro Hate Group have announced plans to disrupt the funeral of 9 year-old shooting victim Christina Greene.

Christina was murdered by Jared Lee Loughner yesterday in his assassination attempt on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.  The little girl was born on September 11th, 2001, so her parents have been cursed with a horrific trifecta of high profile trauma:  their daughter born on the worst day in our generations’ lives, their daughter murdered in an assassination attempt on a member of Congress, and Democrat Fred Phelps aiming his hate machine at their family during their daughter’s funeral.

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Words fail me.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Evil_Conservative on January 09, 2011, 10:14:39 AM
Sick piece of shit.

He is going to mess with the wrong family one of these days.

If that was my daughter's funeral?  Watch your back, Fred. 
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Freeper on January 09, 2011, 10:19:23 AM
Good god man do these people not even have one decent bone in their bodies?
 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I don't condone pissing on graves but dammit when this guy passes away I just may have to drink an entire bottle of gatorade and visit his grave site.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: NHSparky on January 09, 2011, 10:26:59 AM
I don't condone pissing on graves but dammit when this guy passes away I just may have to drink an entire bottle of gatorade and visit his grave site. 

Make it a keg of beer and I'll join you.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Freeper on January 09, 2011, 10:30:19 AM
Make it a keg of beer and I'll join you.

Hell maybe all of CC will show up and have a couple kegs.  :-)
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: compaqxp on January 09, 2011, 10:33:31 AM
One of these days someone is going to kill the man, hell I'm amazed they haven't yet.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: vesta111 on January 09, 2011, 11:09:42 AM
Make it a keg of beer and I'll join you.

This old fart jumped in too soon.  So much of what he said is speculation or miss information.

The shooter is not a military veteran.

The 9 year old it is just speculation that the monster actually was the one to shoot her.

It has been said that one or 2 others in the crowd fired at the shooter and missed, one of those bullets could have hit her or a ricochet.  If it is a fact that 3 guns were shooting, 2 at the Perv and the Perv himself, one cannot discount anything.

It will take a week or more to be able to say if all the people shot were due to the gun the killer was using.

With all the confusion, who saw what, where each of all the victims were standing in relation to the killer, if in fact there were others firring at him or not, this will take months to gather all this information for the courts.

Then we must beware of the loons that come out of the woodwork to claim they were there and "saw" it all for their 60 second interview on TV news. This may well boost the number of people from a hundred or so to 500.

Why the police are looking for the second man involved--the dude in his 40-50 caught on surveillance tape is anyones guess.

This Phelps subhuman is really a vampire that feeds on blood and misery from strangers.  He hungers for a chance to dine with relish on the pain of others.

I rather doubt he and his band of vampires will picket the funeral of a child, in my openion he and his family are in the Service of Satan. Only Satan would rejoice at the pain of others that are innocent.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Freeper on January 09, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
One of these days someone is going to kill the man, hell I'm amazed they haven't yet.

Better be careful what you post some lefty might read that and think you are threatening Phelps.
 :-)
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 09, 2011, 11:50:48 AM
What a bunch of ****tards!!!!!!!!! Fred Phelps is scum!!!!!!! Fred Phelps is on par with Osama bin Laden, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Lori Drew.  :argh: :bird:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 09, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
BRACE YOURSELVES: Democrat Fred Phelps and Westboro Hate Group announce plans to picket 9-year-old shooting victim Christina Greene’s funeral. A new low for Democrat hate groups.

LINK TO HILLBUZZ (http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/09/brace-yourselves-democrat-fred-phelps-and-westboro-hate-group-announce-plans-to-picket-9-year-old-shooting-victim-christina-greenes-funeral-a-new-low-for-democrat-hate-groups/)

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The Left does some truly despicable things in this world, but this is a new low for Democrats.

Former three-time Democrat gubernatorial candidate Fred Phelps Jr. (commonly called just “Fred Phelps”) and his Westboro Hate Group have announced plans to disrupt the funeral of 9 year-old shooting victim Christina Greene.

Christina was murdered by Jared Lee Loughner yesterday in his assassination attempt on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.  The little girl was born on September 11th, 2001, so her parents have been cursed with a horrific trifecta of high profile trauma:  their daughter born on the worst day in our generations’ lives, their daughter murdered in an assassination attempt on a member of Congress, and Democrat Fred Phelps aiming his hate machine at their family during their daughter’s funeral.

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Words fail me.

I feel for Christina's family.  :( :bawl:

Phelps has a history of picketing funerals of children who die in tragic circumstances. There is another rotten scumbag on level with Fred Phelps, Michael Crook, who does the same thing too.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: IassaFTots on January 09, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
Hell maybe all of CC will show up and have a couple kegs.  :-)

Count me in.  I love beer, I have no problem peeing outside, and I loathe that scumbag.   
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: longview on January 09, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
How is Phelps and his little band of nutcase followers not completely ostracized and destitute? 
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 09, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
Good god man do these people not even have one decent bone in their bodies?
 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I don't condone pissing on graves but dammit when this guy passes away I just may have to drink an entire bottle of gatorade and visit his grave site.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Same here. I would like to dance on his grave.  :argh:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Attero Dominatus on January 09, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
 :censored: :censored:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: rubliw on January 09, 2011, 01:08:57 PM
Interesting how the article keeps drawing attention to the fact that he's a democrat.  First and foremost, his protests against homosexuality are driven by his crazy religious beliefs...  and secondly, he's praising the shooter whose target was... a democrat.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Evil_Conservative on January 09, 2011, 01:11:16 PM
Interesting how the article keeps drawing attention to the fact that he's a democrat.  First and foremost, his protests against homosexuality are driven by his crazy religious beliefs...  and secondly, he's praising the shooter whose target was... a democrat.

A BLUE DOG democrat.  The guy that shot her was pissed because she wasn't far enough left.  Are you retarded?  The shooter's favorite books were The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kempf. 

Please shut the **** up.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 09, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
To even seriously contemplate doing something this infamous, Fred "Attention-whore" Phelps should burn in Hell forever.

 :censored:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Crazy Horse on January 09, 2011, 01:23:10 PM
Interesting how the article keeps drawing attention to the fact that he's a democrat.  First and foremost, his protests against homosexuality are driven by his crazy religious beliefs...  and secondly, he's praising the shooter whose target was... a democrat.

Because he is a Democrat you meely mouth shitstain
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: mamacags on January 09, 2011, 01:32:25 PM
I can't usually say I hate anyone.  Even Julia Stiles just goes to loathing on my hatemeter.  I hate Fred Phelps though.  I hate him with the intensity of a thousand nukes.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Red October on January 09, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
Okay, NOW I'm thinking about condoning violence  :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: vesta111 on January 09, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
Same here. I would like to dance on his grave.  :argh:

Best to pee on the scum bag while he is alive, only you get satisfaction of pissing on a dead man.
There are so many ways to express your right to free speech without waiting until the object of your deresion is dead and gone.

Darn I got in big trouble for giving my thoughts on this Phelps guy a while ago  I have to be careful not to get banned.

Hypothetical here, nothing to do with this particular family. Say I was a screen writer and was told to write on a fictional family in Maine.  The family lived on a river that was polluted with Mercury from the paper industry and the water seeped into their well.

After 4-5 years the family of 2 parents and 6 kids began to act a bit odd. The church going kids and parents began to withdraw from the comunity and friends.

The parents owned the only hardware stores[ 3 ] within 60 miles.  They had big bucks but down scaled themselves to almost paupers.  The 6 kids were sent off to boarding schools and on to college to become lawyers,, the parents stayed drinking from that well.

When the kids trickled in and home from college one by one, they moved onto the land, built homes and drank again from that well.     The kids were not stupid, they knew their parents were going nuts but they also saw a way to make a good living from their madness.

When one of the kids graduated as a lawyer and refused to come home, was outted as Gay, the parents went nuts and decided to build a church to Preach on the evil of being gay.

The lawyer kids began to sue everyone in town for speaking against their church. Year by year they found legal loop holes to refuse service in their stores to those they assumed were gay. And still they drank the water from the well.

About this time the father had a dream that God had told him that people that died in the military or just came to unfortunate ends----those well known people  had died because it was a warning from God to smite the Homosexuals.   As they won each and every law suite against them and their bank roll increased they realised that they were being rewarded by God for passing HIS message along---Still they drank from the well.

The family branched out to spread their message all over the New England states, when people sneered or shook their fist at them they just smiled and sued the person.

One day they targeted the wrong person, the woman was a biker bitch and mean as hell, she was also very savvy on the laws. Her son had died in the Mideast and the family had announced that they were going to picket his funeral.
She put out a call to all the biker gangs including those that were at war with each other to call a truce and help her out.

The funeral was two weeks away and plenty of time to make plans.----All bikers were to spend the next two weeks shitting and pissing in plastic bags.------The chief of police had told her where the family were allowed to stand to protest so this area became drop zone.

3- 18 wheelers were donated and filled to the brim with the bags of offal.  12 hours before the funeral people in biohazard suits emptied the trucks of their cargo on the site the family had a permit to protest.----500 feet or more from the cemetery.  Donated fans were set up to blow away the air away from the cemetery in that direction.  8 dump trucks of soil were standing by to cover that area the held the sewage.  The fans were set to blow the air and smell away from the area the protesters would enter.

Comes time for the funeral and there are the protesters standing in what they Think is just a muddie area, fans turn in their direction, and they retreat but not in time  to avoid 8 kids under the age of 7  relatives of the deceased to run past them with super soakers filled with piss.

The family heads for home with 5 of the family drawing up law suits against who, the kids under 7 that sprayed them with piss , the police for not protecting them from the little kids.

Time to go home for these people and have a few glasses of that great well water they love so much.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 09, 2011, 02:17:17 PM
I can't usually say I hate anyone.  Even Julia Stiles just goes to loathing on my hatemeter.  I hate Fred Phelps though.  I hate him with the intensity of a thousand nukes.

I hate bunnies, but not on the level of Fred Phelps. It is two different levels of hate.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: littlelamb on January 09, 2011, 02:52:39 PM
I know one shouldn't hate and that it is wrong but damn that man and his merry band of idiots piss me off and I will be glad when they are meeting their maker. I would love to be a fly on the walls of heaven when that day comes and God tells them to depart from my sight I know you not
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Freeper on January 09, 2011, 04:20:19 PM
Interesting how the article keeps drawing attention to the fact that he's a democrat.  First and foremost, his protests against homosexuality are driven by his crazy religious beliefs...  and secondly, he's praising the shooter whose target was... a democrat.

Interesting you aren't condemning him for this.
Maybe it isn't fault maybe he saw a graphic on Sarah Palin's website and it made him go mad.  :mental:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: dandi on January 09, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
Interesting how the article keeps drawing attention to the fact that he's a democrat.  First and foremost, his protests against homosexuality are driven by his crazy religious beliefs...  and secondly, he's praising the shooter whose target was... a democrat.

Did you have to work at being this ignorant and obtuse or were you dropped on your head as a small child?
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: DefiantSix on January 09, 2011, 10:56:50 PM
Same here. I would like to dance on his grave.  :argh:

You sure?  We'll be doing the bunny hop... :cheers1:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: rubliw on January 09, 2011, 11:51:34 PM
A BLUE DOG democrat.  The guy that shot her was pissed because she wasn't far enough left.  Are you retarded?  The shooter's favorite books were The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kempf. 

Please shut the **** up.

From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: txradioguy on January 10, 2011, 01:10:10 AM
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.

Fred Phelps and his meerry band of idiots are too crazy for even the Libertarians.

He's been a big contributor to and supporter of Al Gore. 


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Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Hitler was a righty?  Yeah sure Wilbur.  What part of National SOCIALIST party made you believe that Hitler was aligned with the right?

This used to be a popular meme with you Libtards.  Until someone on the left realized what NAZI actually stands for.  Looks like you're about the last one that didn't get the memo to stop trotting out this disproven bullshit.


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Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

Either way BOTH are Democrats.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: NHSparky on January 10, 2011, 08:06:22 AM
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

I see you and the concept of facts and logic haven't been introduced to you yet.

NAZI-National SOCIALIST Worker's Party.

The only significant difference between Germany and the Soviets was National versus International Socialism.  Uncle Joe tried to drive the ideological wedge between the two in the 30's and 40's, and given that little problem called the Eastern Front in WWII, gained a (false) sense of credibility over the claim.  But frankly, they ran in the same circles, parroted the same slogans, and had many of the same goals.

Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" is a good read.  I highly suggest you pick up a copy.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: rubliw on January 10, 2011, 08:39:46 AM
Fred Phelps and his meerry band of idiots are too crazy for even the Libertarians.

He's been a big contributor to and supporter of Al Gore.  

I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.

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Hitler was a righty?  Yeah sure Wilbur.  What part of National SOCIALIST party made you believe that Hitler was aligned with the right?

This used to be a popular meme with you Libtards.  Until someone on the left realized what NAZI actually stands for.  Looks like you're about the last one that didn't get the memo to stop trotting out this disproven bullshit.

Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Eupher on January 10, 2011, 08:49:48 AM
I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.

I'd say, yep, you're being obtuse and ignorant.

First of all, Phelps is a disbarred lawyer and is about as "religious" as you are. His "church" is nothing but a Hate group. And yes, wilbur, I hate to break it to you, but Phelps is one of you guys - a hardcore lib.

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Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.

Have you read Goldberg's book yet? If not, I strongly suggest you drop your liberal meme about the term "socialist". You clearly don't know what you're talking about.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: NHSparky on January 10, 2011, 08:55:16 AM
I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.

Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.

Because so many mouth-breathers like you want to paint Phelps as a right-winger.

You know, like Kevin Smith.  He even made a movie about it.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: NHSparky on January 10, 2011, 09:00:26 AM
The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.

I will give you credit for that statement.  Let's face it, there's nothing democratic about Democrats.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Attero Dominatus on January 10, 2011, 09:12:34 AM
I said the shooter seems to lean libertarian...  and its odd how the article takes pains to emphasize Phelps' party affiliation, since first and foremost, his defining craziness comes from his religious extremism.
Libertarians do not idolize National Socialism or Communism. The shooter was a nutcase, and so is Phelps.

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Yep, this is the popular meme these days, that "socialist" was in the name so they couldn't have been right wing..  sorry, it's simply not true.  The particular name of a party does not necessarily reflect on the nature of its policies.
Both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini used the state to control private business rather than having the state own the business.

Lets not forget that racism (the nazis' and fascists' state policies) is a crude form of collectivism. Libertarians and conservatives are AGAINST collectivism, no matter what form. while progressive movements are FOR collectivism in various forms. But that is beside the topic at hand.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Evil_Conservative on January 10, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

My husband is some what libertarian and DOES NOT own the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf. 

Phelps is just a psychotic piece of shit.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Rebel on January 10, 2011, 10:14:34 AM
The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf are the antithesis to libertarianism. The previous two are about state control. Libertarianism is about self-governance.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Godot showed up on January 10, 2011, 10:20:59 AM
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).

Either way, I was speaking of the party affiliation of Giffords, and Phelps.

It's NORMAL to have, say, The Wizard of Oz among your favorites. It is weird and abnormal to have Mein Kampf among your favorites, and pretty eyebrow-raising to have The Communist Manifesto in there too. A lot of people have been talking about his favorite books as though the "normal" ones "balance out" the pretty sick and disturbing ones, and that's a fallacy.

And BY THE WAY, Hitler was NOT a "rightie." Hitler was most definitely a man of the political left. Anyone who espouses government control of all means of production is unquestionably on the left.

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"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)



Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: IassaFTots on January 10, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf are the antithesis to libertarianism. The previous two are about state control. Libertarianism is about self-governance.

Indeed. 
And there is nothing wrong with reading Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, or the Koran.  Know thine enemies as you would know thyself. 
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: dandi on January 10, 2011, 11:48:52 AM
(and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie)

Dropped on your head as a small child, got it.  Thanks for such a quick answer to my query.

 :whatever:

Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Eupher on January 10, 2011, 11:50:38 AM
Indeed. 
And there is nothing wrong with reading Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, or the Koran.  Know thine enemies as you would know thyself. 

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while he was incarcerated in Landsberg prison after the failed Beer Hall Putsch.

Another certified whack job named Rudolph Hess served as his personal secretary and wrote the book while Hitler dictated.

Yeah, the damned thing reads like a friggin' manifesto penned by inmates at an insane asylum.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: IassaFTots on January 10, 2011, 11:55:02 AM
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while he was incarcerated in Landsberg prison after the failed Beer Hall Putsch.

Another certified whack job named Rudolph Hess served as his personal secretary and wrote the book while Hitler dictated.

Yeah, the damned thing reads like a friggin' manifesto penned by inmates at an insane asylum.

Someone here, I can't remember who, had it right.  It is just one big ole honkin run-on sentence.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Godot showed up on January 10, 2011, 12:04:54 PM
To even seriously contemplate doing something this infamous, Fred "Attention-whore" Phelps should burn in Hell forever.

 :censored:


Tank, when I first read this, I actually felt a quick wave of nausea. Truly, Phelps and his followers are really asking for it. It's only a matter of time before some family having a funeral and being harrassed by this creature and his disciples decides to take the law into their own hands, and I won't blame them one iota.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Godot showed up on January 10, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
A little more for the new chew toy:



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Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism." (Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)


http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id10.html



Hitler was an anti-Marxist, but he WAS a socialist and "socialist" is not some deceptive conservative/Republican "meme" when considered in its prideful place in the name, "National Socialist German Workers' Party." The Marxists were his political enemies; another gang vying for control, and one with ties to an external enemy, the Bolsheviks in Russia. But philosophically his economic policies were wholly of the left, socialist, and quite communist in their insistence on one-party rule.

Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: true_blood on January 10, 2011, 12:48:34 PM
Wow. Will this piece of garbage stop at nothing? That is a shame.
I have other "adjectives" for this character, but will not post them here.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: Wineslob on January 10, 2011, 01:47:25 PM
Rubliw, you are too stupid to live, please stop breathing.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: dutch508 on January 10, 2011, 02:28:33 PM
Hitler was the head of a political party. In English, it was called the National Socialist German Workers Party, or "Nazi Party" for short. It was not called socialist for nothing. To imagine that this system was anything other than socialism is to parrot the Party Line of the Left ever since 1923. "No, no, no: the Nazis were not really socialists." Well, if they weren't, their policies surely resembled socialism. They believed in centralized control over the economy, and when they got into power in 1933, they established that control. This control grew even tighter after 1939, because of World War II.



GUNS, NOT BUTTER

The secret of the Nazi economy was spending on war. In a study of Nazi fiscal and monetary policy, economist Albrecht Ritschl concluded in 2000,


A critical reassessment of deficit spending during the Nazi recovery reveals a surprisingly small role for macroeconomic policy. Both the descriptive evidence and the results from multivariate time series forecasts suggest that recovery from the Great Depression was mainly driven by a rebound effect that was visible in the data already by late 1932. Up to around 1936, the German recovery was no more advanced than that of Britain or the United States, where far less expansionary fiscal policies were followed. However, even in Germany the fiscal impulse generated by the budget deficit was too small to be consistent with Keynesian demand stimulation under an income/expenditure mechanism. In order to explain the very high, at times two-digit growth rates of GNP during the recovery, deficits would have had to be two to five times higher than they actually were. Apparently, recovery was due to forces other than fiscal and monetary policy, just as in the cases of Britain and the United States. . . .

Nazi recovery appears less spectacular than was hitherto believed. Our results also indicate that government spending was dominated by war preparation already in a very early phase of the Nazi recovery. I find little justification for the popular interpretation that recovery was sparked off by non-military work-creation and the construction of the autobahn network. Investment in the autobahn reached sizable magnitudes only in 1936. All these projects pale in comparison with the rapid build-up of military expenditure, except for the year of 1933 when rearmament had not yet really begun. To secure the desired high speed of war preparation, the Nazi administration took early, often draconian steps to crowd out private demand. The growth in consumer spending fell short of the increase in national product, and the contribution of private investment to the recovery remained unimpressive.

Strict control of private expenditure was partly achieved by maintaining taxation at the high levels reached during the depression years. [Deficit Spending in the Nazi Recovery, 1933-1938: A Critical Reassessment, Institute for Empirical Research in Economics, University of Zurich, pp. 16-17.

In short, the government created jobs in factories preparing for war. Then it taxed workers so that they could not spend their income on consumer goods.

Hitler was no advocate of economic growth. He was an advocate of military expansion. Professor Tooze summarizes.


This backdrop is essential if we are to understand Hitler's refusal to accept the liberal gospel of economic progress. Economic growth could not be taken for granted and Hitler was by no means the only person to say so. As we have seen, the doctrine of economic life as a field of struggle was already fully formed in Mein Kampf and Hitler's 'Second book'. And this Darwinian outlook was only encouraged by the subsequent Depression. Given the density of Germany's population and Hitler's insistence on the inevitability of conflict arising for export-led growth, the conquest of new Lebensraum was certainly one means of raising Germany's per capita income level. Hitler could hardly have been more emphatic or consistent in his advocacy of this position. As we have seen, he made a point of reiterating this belief in the very first days of his new government in 1933. An aggressive foreign policy based on military strength was the only real foundation of economic prosperity (Wages of Destruction, pp. 145-46).

http://www.garynorth.com/public/7009.cfm


Ellen Brown Denies That Hitler's National Socialism Was Socialistic and Keynesian.
Gary North
 
Ellen Brown praised Hitler's economic policy in Web of Debt. She wants America to adopt his economic policy.

I said in my critique that his centralizing economic policies were implemented only because of his political policy: centralization. I argued along the lines that Hayek did in The Road to Serfdom (1944): Hitler's centralizing economic policies led to his reign of terror.

http://www.garynorth.com/public/7248.cfm

Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: cavegal on January 10, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
These people are vile awful creatures. Pyle's of  :censored:.
Title: Re: Phelps to protest at funeral of 9-year old Tucson shooting victim
Post by: true_blood on January 10, 2011, 08:09:36 PM
From what has been unearthed of this guys views so far, he seems to lean libertarian.  Some of the other books on his favorite list are ideological opposites of the manifesto or kampf  so leaping to the conclusion he's left wing or liberal based on it is just wrong (and BTW, Hitler was a rightie, not a leftie).
AND,...by the way?! EPIC FAIL!
His ideological views were those of the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kempf. Don't be twisting the facts like the DUmmies and libs just love to do. They use their double speak and twist their words.