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Of course, I have absolutely no question that there was no logical connection between Sarah Palin and the murderer of 6, and attempted murder of a political opponent of Sarah Palin, Congresswoman Gabriella Giffords. Such a connection is irrational.
Nonetheless, the Left is taking extraordinary delight in immediately connecting Sarah Palin and the attempted murder of a congresswoman, along with the murder of at least 6 other people. Already, CBS news was the first mainstream news agency to significantly highlight Palin's political graph with what they call rifle-bore targets, insinuating that such a map creates the climate of hate that leads people to commit violence. The usual suspects, starting with Keith Olbermann, had upped the ante, mentioning Sarah Palin's name over 40 times in his Saturday broadcast, including a very angry piece in which he proclaimed that Sarah Palin's career should be finished as a result of this tragedy. In addition, Olbermann referenced the Sheriff of Pima County, who stated that the rhetoric caused by talk radio and "certain" cable news networks created the atmosphere in which the murders took place.
Of course, blog after blog after blog of orgasmic socialists are essentially climaxing to their own joy...yes, joy, I sense it... that Palin is about to get her comeuppance. This is just the start.
Look for every reference that the mainstream media give to any Palin appearance or other inference to include the reference to Gifford's shooter. Look for every chance MSNBC, some reporters on CNN, and certainly every alphabet soup news station to hammer home, as often as possible, and as forcefully as possible, that Palin is the primary instigator of the tragedy and is not fit to lead this country.
Now, I don't know how many of you think that Palin is a good presidential material or not. In my opinion, she is way ahead of anyone prominent on the conservative side, and at this point is my designee. Many of you would probably disagree, and if you offer someone else, then perhaps we can compare the two candidate's credentials.
But 2012 will probably be the socialist's last grasp at attempting to hold onto any chance at governing. And they will make an all-out effort to take out Palin any way possible. Going after her family, particularly her kids, has proven that I don't have to qualify the statement "any way possible."
My question: Does this incident create the atmosphere where the socialist left can successfully smear Palin's chances to the point where she would not be an effective presidential candidate?
My answer is, unfortunately, YES. I'm not a pessimist, just a realist in how the media/socialists act, and the unfortunate fact that it will be at least two more election cycles (four more years) before the "mainstream media" is out of the picture at being an influence in congressional and presidential elections.
And yes, it SUCKS. Reality is reality, though, and you all knew that when an unqualified, purposely unvetted imbecile was escorted to Pennsylvania Ave. by the media. Can't shake this bitch one way or the other.
NOTE: On Ladbrokes, her presidential odds dropped from 7/1 to 10/1 in one day, a huge drop, while Romney went from 8/1 to 7/1. That is significant, as the people betting real money have a skin in the game, so to speak, therefore are usually more accurate than most polls.
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Her presidential hopes were over before this happened. The tea party has other candidates they prefer over Palin and the GOP establishment likes Romney. She is not very popular with independents and even some in her own party are skeptical of her, more so than other conservatives.
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I think conservatives are skeptical of her because she is a grizzly. She's conservative, yes, but she also follows the beat of her own drum. That scares some of them, and it absolutely TERRIFIES libtards.
Does this incident create the atmosphere where the socialist left can successfully smear Palin's chances to the point where she would not be an effective presidential candidate?
For starters: I think she'll be on the trail. Nothing will stop her from running short of assassination. As pertains to your question...maybe. I think that the absolute bullshit smears will be amped up, and disturbingly, I think there is potential for violence against Sarah, and possibly her family.
HOWEVER, the good I see coming from this: The left has shown many colors in the last few years. We know how they are unintelligent, treasonous, assholish commie loving, Marx ****ing boobs. I don't feel the majority of America fully understands...yet. I believe if Sarah does go on the trail, I believe there will be an awakening to the left. Citizens will have their eyes fully, and forcibly opened to how absolutely heinous lefies really are. They're going to amp it up 10 fold, and it's going to scare the shit out of the American public to the point that the socialists drive the final nail into their own coffin.
That's what I feel the other side of the coin is. I just hope nothing devastatingly tragic has to happen to get to that point, but mark my words: They are indeed "loading up" as we post.
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Wow all of this speculation over what? Nothing?
Here's a novel thought...let's wait until 2012 to see who's gonna run for President.
You know...when politicians ACTUALLY make those kind of announcements.
Jesus H. Christ...the new Congress hasn't even figured out where their new offices are yet and there are people here already writing off people for potential higher office!
Why do I get the feeling that some of you you had this same kind of mindset about a former actor who a lot of political "experts" gave 'zero chance' of ever becoming President?
Quit playing into the hands of the MSM and the left on this pick 'em and bash em' before they have a chance crap.
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Wow all of this speculation over what? Nothing?
Here's a novel thought...let's wait until 2012 to see who's gonna run for President.
You know...when politicians ACTUALLY make those kind of announcements.
Jesus H. Christ...the new Congress hasn't even figured out where their new offices are yet and there are people here already writing off people for potential higher office!
Why do I get the feeling that some of you you had this same kind of mindset about a former actor who a lot of political "experts" gave 'zero chance' of ever becoming President?
Quit playing into the hands of the MSM and the left on this pick 'em and bash em' before they have a chance crap.
Serious candidates will start campaigning and testing the waters soon. I don't think she is running though.
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Her, her handlers, and her family have done everything wrong since 2007. If she wanted to be president she blew it.
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Serious candidates will start campaigning and testing the waters soon. I don't think she is running though.
But don't think for a second the loopy left won't try to point to this as the proverbial straw.
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Her, her handlers, and her family have done everything wrong since 2007. If she wanted to be president she blew it.
:whatever: Yeah. Ok.
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:whatever: Yeah. Ok.
You disagree? The aweful interviews that she was setup for? The backstabbing McCain staffers? The Palin "reality" trainwreck family? Her daughter in dancing with the stars, then engaged/ not engaged to babydaddy? This is the bullshit that we get from someone who wants to be president??? I sure as shit won't vote for her. Her success comes from conviction and speeches - she can be the damn chairman of the GOP for all care.
But I wouldn't vote for her.
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You disagree? The aweful interviews that she was setup for? The backstabbing McCain staffers? The Palin "reality" trainwreck family? Her daughter in dancing with the stars, then engaged/ not engaged to babydaddy? This is the bullshit that we get from someone who wants to be president??? I sure as shit won't vote for her. Her success comes from conviction and speeches - she can be the damn chairman of the GOP for all care.
But I wouldn't vote for her.
As Rush would say, "Give me 4 more years of Obama".
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For someone who has done everything wrong, Sarah sure has quite the following. Is she ready for "prime time"? That remains to be seen. I love Sarah and fall into the "more please!" camp but if she is better suited as a kingmaker, so be it. What I'm trying to say is that I don't NEED Sarah to run for any office. I just want to see her continue to remain an influence. That can be a little as lending her name and giving face time to others who are running or becoming the head of the RNC.
I don't care that Sarah is a pretty, happy, self-sufficient woman who makes her own trail. I KNOW a lot of liberals do though. And heck, if you get right down to it, some conservatives don't like her either. Is it because she's her own "man" so to speak? I dunno.
What I do know is that we HAVE to keep the momentum from 2010 and stoke the same fires that shellacked DC.
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I don't think so, but in the end, it is up to her to decide. From what I see, she is happy and content with her life as she is.
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As Rush would say, "Give me 4 more years of Obama".
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I'll qualify my statement with - I wouldn't vote for her in a primary, if it was Sarah v. barack, then I would vote for her.
And to clear the air I love what she says and stands for, but we don't need real housewives of alaska shores in the WH.
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I think Sarah would look better in the Oval Office than the one that "visits" there in between his vacations
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I really like and respect Sarah but I would not vote for her. I voted for her in 2008 but like others have pointed out, she's strayed from what I think made her great--her go-get-em speeches and interactions with the ordinary Joes. Her reality show on TLC and all the Baby Daddy drama surrounding her daughter really soured her family's image.
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I think she will run and win. I will not vote for another RINO. Let the establishment Repubs pick our nominee, and I will stay home. Real conservatives have had a belly full of jerks like Rove and Krawhammer.
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I think she will run and win. I will not vote for another RINO. Let the establishment Repubs pick our nominee, and I will stay home. Real conservatives have had a belly full of jerks like Rove and Krawhammer.
:yeahthat:
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I love Sarah and fall into the "more please!" camp but if she is better suited as a kingmaker, so be it.
Ditto. I think that she'd be much more powerful as the kingmaker. She will raise tons of money--more so if she's doing it on behalf of someone else who is running. I think Chris Christie took himself out of the running by his response to the Christmas blizzard.
Here's a name for you, one I saw on a Newsmax release . . . naah, it'd be threadjacking.
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I think she will run and win. I will not vote for another RINO. Let the establishment Repubs pick our nominee, and I will stay home. Real conservatives have had a belly full of jerks like Rove and Krawhammer.
She may not run but if she does, she will likely lose the GOP nomination and if she won it, the republicans would face a loss even greater than that in 2008 because she is seen as decisive, polarizing, and not that smart. The tea party, when asked in a poll, favored Mike Huckabee over Palin anyway.
Also, Karl Rove got President George W. Bush elected and re-elected, and this country was kept safe by Bush's steady leadership.
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She may not run but if she does, she will likely lose the GOP nomination and if she won it, the republicans would face a loss even greater than that in 2008 because she is seen as decisive, polarizing, and not that smart. The tea party, when asked in a poll, favored Mike Huckabee over Palin anyway.
Also, Karl Rove got President George W. Bush elected and re-elected, and this country was kept safe by Bush's steady leadership.
It's interesting that you're full of opinions, no doubt incurred by whiling away your hours researching and writing and otherwise being very scholarly, but when you talk about polls being conducted on the Tea Party and you come up with conclusions, the appropriate thing to do is to provide a link to substantiate your point.
Opinions are one thing, facts are another.
Put up your facts, and a little less blather, if you please.
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She may not run but if she does, she will likely lose the GOP nomination and if she won it, the republicans would face a loss even greater than that in 2008 because she is seen as decisive, polarizing, and not that smart. The tea party, when asked in a poll, favored Mike Huckabee over Palin anyway.
Also, Karl Rove got President George W. Bush elected and re-elected, and this country was kept safe by Bush's steady leadership.
Barack Hussein Obama and his rhetoric have made him the most divisive political figure since Abraham Lincoln. He won the democratic nomination and the presidency.
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It's interesting that you're full of opinions, no doubt incurred by whiling away your hours researching and writing and otherwise being very scholarly, but when you talk about polls being conducted on the Tea Party and you come up with conclusions, the appropriate thing to do is to provide a link to substantiate your point.
Opinions are one thing, facts are another.
Put up your facts, and a little less blather, if you please.
That from an 18 year troll that spend his weekends on the net. Strange that this young punk would not be out drinking beer or dating.
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There are several sites on the internet and it was mentioned this morning on NBC, that Palin's reality show will not be back for a second season. The show's been a hit, and supposedly, it's Sarah's choice, to discontinue doing the show.
None of the sites are giving a reason and there is a lot of speculating.
The one that makes the most sense to me was what I heard on NBC this morning....she can't have a reality show on tv (current) while running for president, because there is some "rule" that equal "tv face time" must be given to all presidential candidates by a network.
Maybe she is going to run. The internet articles were run on Saturday...most likely before Giffords was shot, or anyone knew about it.
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That from an 18 year troll that spend his weekends on the net. Strange that this young punk would not be out drinking beer or dating.
I have no reason for dealing with idiots. Therefore Lacarnut, since you make assumptions and are ignorant to reality, you now are on my ignore list. You can say all you want about me, but I have no use for you or your dumb comments.
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I have no reason for dealing with idiots. Therefore Lacarnut, since you make assumptions and are ignorant to reality, you now are on my ignore list. You can say all you want about me, but I have no use for you or your dumb comments.
what a whiny *****.
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Barack Hussein Obama and his rhetoric have made him the most divisive political figure since Abraham Lincoln. He won the democratic nomination and the presidency.
Do we want to counter an inexperienced gaffe-machine with the same thing just on the republican ticket? No. We need to find leaders who, as n the words of Sen. Marco Rubion will "oppose Barack Obama and offer a clear alternative." We have folks like Pawlenty, Daniels, Romney, Bachmann, Thune, Huckabee, Gingrich etc. Why her? She has the least experience and the least intelligence of anyone on that list.
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Why her? She has the least experience and the least intelligence of anyone on that list.
Seems to me you have the least intelligence of anyone on this board. You keep shoveling the same crap as if the people who believe in Palin are going to magically value what you say and change their minds. Here's a clue noob, you're doing nothing but pissing us off with each post. But maybe that was your intent in the first place, to disrupt.
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I have no reason for dealing with idiots. Therefore Lacarnut, since you make assumptions and are ignorant to reality, you now are on my ignore list. You can say all you want about me, but I have no use for you or your dumb comments.
The truth must hurt cause when I was your age politics was way down on the list of things I was interested in on a Friday or Saturday night. Dating, dancing and a few brews was number one on my lists. You are a weirdo and I feel sorry for those young uns that have to be connected to the Internet, cell phones and Ipods everywhere they go. You are going to grow up to be a tech zombie. On the other hand, you may never grow up. You certainly do not know squat about politics.
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Do we want to counter an inexperienced gaffe-machine with the same thing just on the republican ticket? No. We need to find leaders who, as n the words of Sen. Marco Rubion will "oppose Barack Obama and offer a clear alternative." We have folks like Pawlenty, Daniels, Romney, Bachmann, Thune, Huckabee, Gingrich etc. Why her? She has the least experience and the least intelligence of anyone on that list.
Sarah Palin has been governor and when she was governor, she took on the establishment, and promoted new oil and gas drilling. Obama's only experience was being a two bit senator.
Why Romney? He is a statist, not with not only the progenitor to Obamacare to his name, but is also anti-gun (http://www.nationalgunrights.org/POTUS/Romney.shtml)
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Sarah Palin has been governor and when she was governor, she took on the establishment, and promoted new oil and gas drilling. Obama's only experience was being a two bit senator.
Why Romney? He is a statist, not with not only the progenitor to Obamacare to his name, but is also anti-gun (http://www.nationalgunrights.org/POTUS/Romney.shtml)
The more we find out about Romney, the more there is to not like. Health care costs have sky rocketed since Mass care well above the national average. Romney increased the budget by 3 billion dollars, increased taxes and fees. He did inherit a deficit when he took office and left it with a surplus but he did it on the backs of taxpayers. However, the health care cost were not included and were off budget. Then there is abortion. He was for it but now he is against. He is doing a bunch of flip flops now that he is running for Prez cause those liberal policies of his will not fly with conservatives and independents.
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Why Romney? He is a statist, not with not only the progenitor to Obamacare to his name, but is also anti-gun (http://www.nationalgunrights.org/POTUS/Romney.shtml)
He's also anti-dog: Romney's Cruel Canine Vacation (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1638065,00.html)
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The more we find out about Romney, the more there is to not like. Health care costs have sky rocketed since Mass care well above the national average. Romney increased the budget by 3 billion dollars, increased taxes and fees. He did inherit a deficit when he took office and left it with a surplus but he did it on the backs of taxpayers. However, the health care cost were not included and were off budget. Then there is abortion. He was for it but now he is against. He is doing a bunch of flip flops now that he is running for Prez cause those liberal policies of his will not fly with conservatives and independents.
Yes, abortion too. He is a big flip flopper on that. In fact, he is the Republican John Kerry.
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I hope we will be at a point 12 months from now where the primary candidate for the Republican nominee will be a conservative/libertarian (constitutionalist) type. Obviously, the most representative of that type of candidate will present himself with the biggest crosshairs in the rifle scope to the media (analogy absolutely intended). The reason? Because the left is SCARED of conservatives. Conversely, we hope the left puts out the most EXTREME candidate, preferably an incumbent who doesn't triangulate. But the bottom line: WE must decide the candidate this time around, NOT the mainstream media, a fully-owned subsidiary of the socialist wing of the democrat party.
Unfortunately, at this time, the ONLY person we have on the horizon with executive experience is Sarah Palin. I would be tickled pink to have her president, to be honest, but to be quite frank, I hope we have a whole SLEW of candidates with Palin's validated conservative credentials. At that point, Palin may or may not be my favorite pick.
But we have strayed from the point of the thread: Has the shooting invalidated Palin's chances for president? I unfortunately concur that it has, at least for now, but how conservatives and libertarians respond, and more importantly, how the constituents of our existing GOP congressional members, or how opponents of incumbent RINO or leftist congressional members are able to discern through this vitriolic behavior of the left.
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I hope we will be at a point 12 months from now where the primary candidate for the Republican nominee will be a conservative/libertarian (constitutionalist) type. Obviously, the most representative of that type of candidate will present himself with the biggest crosshairs in the rifle scope to the media (analogy absolutely intended). The reason? Because the left is SCARED of conservatives. Conversely, we hope the left puts out the most EXTREME candidate, preferably an incumbent who doesn't triangulate. But the bottom line: WE must decide the candidate this time around, NOT the mainstream media, a fully-owned subsidiary of the socialist wing of the democrat party.
Unfortunately, at this time, the ONLY person we have on the horizon with executive experience is Sarah Palin. I would be tickled pink to have her president, to be honest, but to be quite frank, I hope we have a whole SLEW of candidates with Palin's validated conservative credentials. At that point, Palin may or may not be my favorite pick.
But we have strayed from the point of the thread: Has the shooting invalidated Palin's chances for president? I unfortunately concur that it has, at least for now, but how conservatives and libertarians respond, and more importantly, how the constituents of our existing GOP congressional members, or how opponents of incumbent RINO or leftist congressional members are able to discern through this vitriolic behavior of the left.
I do not think her chances have been diminished one iota. When Obama says that you do not bring a knife to a gun fight, the chicken shit Repubs members of Congress are silent. If the Repubs allow Obama and the democrats to put them on the defense, they will lose the battle, and it makes no difference who our candidate is.
The only reason I mentioned Romney is because this dipshit newbie started his bashing of Palin.
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Sarah Palin has been governor and when she was governor, she took on the establishment, and promoted new oil and gas drilling. Obama's only experience was being a two bit senator.
Why Romney? He is a statist, not with not only the progenitor to Obamacare to his name, but is also anti-gun (http://www.nationalgunrights.org/POTUS/Romney.shtml)
Palin was Governor for not even three years and while she can point to accomplishments such as balancing her state's budget and fighting for energy reform, she also increased taxes on oil profits as part of a contract with taxpayers, and spending levels increased by over 30%. As for Romney, he did change positions on gun control, abortion, ethanol, and campaign finance. However, Romney is not the only candidate to change a position.
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Seems to me you have the least intelligence of anyone on this board. You keep shoveling the same crap as if the people who believe in Palin are going to magically value what you say and change their minds. Here's a clue noob, you're doing nothing but pissing us off with each post. But maybe that was your intent in the first place, to disrupt.
No, that is not my intent. My intent is to discuss issues that affect this country and conservatism. This is not about Palin, not about you, not about me; its about this country.
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On Fox, a poll stating that Palin did not have anything to do with the shooting, 96% said it way a buy. So, those thinking it will have any effect on her decision to run or not run, quit drinking the koolaid. Americans have short memories; in a couple of months, this will be a non issue.
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The train of though that says Palin is somehow damaged goods because of all the attention she's gotten seems weak to me. Anyone who runs becomes an instant lightening rod. The left wing press would take hatchets to Mother Theresa if she ran against the current Demogouge in Chief. It's not like anyone else would be treated any better or portrayed fairly to any degree.
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No.
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I hope she runs. I believe she hasn't had the "change of life" yet so when that time of the month arrives, she'll gut and skin the DUmbocraps.
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They're not over, not because of the AZ shootings. To suggest so is just plain silly.
They're only over if Sarah doesn't want to run.
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It has been a while since I read her first book but from that I got the impression she had no intention of running.
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It has been a while since I read her first book but from that I got the impression she had no intention of running.
I get the impression that she will run from the interviews she has done lately. I sure hope so. None of the top 5 candidates thrill me with the exception of her.
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The train of though that says Palin is somehow damaged goods because of all the attention she's gotten seems weak to me. Anyone who runs becomes an instant lightening rod. The left wing press would take hatchets to Mother Theresa if she ran against the current Demogouge in Chief. It's not like anyone else would be treated any better or portrayed fairly to any degree.
BINGO. Well said.
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She has brilliant political instincts and every time she's counted out she defies elites and critics. At this point no one knows whether she'll run (she may not even know yet) but damn she's tough. I've never seen so much thrown at one person in my life, much of it from her "own" side. And still she holds her head up and speaks her mind.
The one thing that truly pisses me off is how people decide the behavior of her ADULT children affects her chances. Sorry but that simply wouldn't be held against a man. Her daughter got pregnant and the guy she was with turned out to be a jerk and a loser. I dated jerks in high school, too. Nor is she the first girl from a good Christian family who got pregnant. And her family did exactly what I would do...support my daughter and love her (and be disappointed) and thank the Lord that she has the profound respect for life that I tried to instill in her.
Then, after all the poo flung at her, Bristol, like her brave mother doesn't hide in a corner, but puts herself out there and does Dancing with the Stars. Her decision, not Sara's. As an adult, she gets to decide what she wants to do. But, still that reflects negatively on Sara Palin. Yet, she also has a son who served honorably in the Army. But that doesn't matter because she has a daughter who is a single mother and went on a dance show and that trumps everything else. Including the fact that she obviously passed on the values of patriotism, love of country, service, reverence for life, and courage to her children.
Cindie
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The one thing that truly pisses me off is how people decide the behavior of her ADULT children affects her chances. Sorry but that simply wouldn't be held against a man. Her daughter got pregnant and the guy she was with turned out to be a jerk and a loser. I dated jerks in high school, too. Nor is she the first girl from a good Christian family who got pregnant. And her family did exactly what I would do...support my daughter and love her (and be disappointed) and thank the Lord that she has the profound respect for life that I tried to instill in her.
That's the one thing I hate too. Her family's lives should be no one else's business anyway.
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I have waited almost two months before replying to the original purpose of the thread: assessing Sarah Palin's potential to run for president. I have come to the conclusion that I was premature, and wrong. The most significant factor is the emergence of the strongly united and unflinching Tea Party movement, both federally and in many states, that have beaten back the normal popular position of the mainstream media running things. To that end, Palin has not undergone any more scrutiny that would negate her ability to run.
The bottom line: the 2012 candidate can not worry about pragmatically insignificant, but historically damaging, charges by the media about certain actions. Indeed, in retrospect, I wish that every republican would have INCREASED the usage of military terminology in their campaigns, especially in light of the Wisconsin debacle. I still am peeved at the decision to mingle at the SOTU, but the overall fallout was pleasantly nullified by the substantive, unflinching actions of the Tea party movement candidates as a whole.
Whether Palin will survive a hopefully increasing pool of conservative, constitutional candites for the Republican primary is yet to be seen. But the media's attack on her last January has not only fizzled, it dissipated just like the fart of a Wisconsin protester.