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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: theconservative on January 06, 2011, 06:58:59 PM
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I hope to see all your answers, as I consider it a learning experience for me. Here is my list;
Mitt Romney
Pros: Fiscally conservative, seems to be knowledgeable on foreign policy, able to raise money, electable, articulate, very smart, businessman
Cons: his healthcare plan, flip-flopped on abortion, guns, and ethanol
Tim Pawlenty
Pros: accomplished governor, his tone is hard to get mad at, has Midwestern appeal
Cons: He did support a regional cap and trade program, he supports ethanol subsidies
Sarah Palin
Pros: Able to rock social conservatives, able to raise money
Cons: Inexperienced, not electable according to polls
Newt Gingrich:
Pros: Ideas guy, smart, very conservative
Cons: Personal life, baggage, shut down the govt. back in '95
Mitch Daniels:
Pros: Proper temperament, deficit hawk, soft-spoken
Cons: not appealing to social conservatives, not well-known, did support a tax hike
John Thune:
Pros: Appealing to NRA voters, articulate
Cons: Washington insider
Rick Santorum:
Pros: Socially Conservative
Cons: Supported Donald Rumsfeld, unelectable
Ron Paul:
Pros: None
Cons: Against the Bush-era foreign policy, wants to go back to the gold standard, crazy, not smart, and unelectable
Gary Johnson: Same as Dr. Paul
Mike Pence:
Pros: Conservative, articulate
Cons: Washington insider
Michele Bachmann:
Pros: Fiscally and socially conservative, has midwestern charm
Cons: Has made a few gaffes
John Bolton:
Pros: Wants to reform the U.N., understands foreign affairs
Cons: Has less economic experience than some others, is he electable?
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shhh. Don't tell anybody.
Keep an eye on Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) I like lots of what he has to say.
link (http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm)
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Mitt Romney...not electable....talks out of both sides of his mouth...Southerner's will not vote for a Yankee liberal.
Hey newbie; are your and Gurn asshole buddies? You keep posting the same crap about Romney.
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Mitt Romney...not electable....talks out of both sides of his mouth...Southerner's will not vote for a Yankee liberal.
Hey newbie; are your and Gurn asshole buddies? You keep posting the same crap about Romney.
I am a newbie, I do not know anyone on here. I helped elect Chris Christie as Governor of New Jersey, and I am proud of being from the north. I am also proud of my conservative political views.
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I am a newbie, I do not know anyone on here. I helped elect Chris Christie as Governor of New Jersey, and I am proud of being from the north. I am also proud of my conservative political views.
Nothing wrong with being from the north except it has some of the most f. up elitist liberal politicans in the country. I like Gov Christie. Romney is no Christie.
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Nothing wrong with being from the north except it has some of the most f. up elitist liberal politicans in the country. I like Gov Christie. Romney is no Christie.
Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd, Jon Corzine, Bob Mendendez, and Andrew Cuomo are all northern politicians who are left wing elitists, yes. But, Dick Durbin, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Crist, Tim Kaine, and Kay Hagan are not from the north, and they to are elitist left-wingers.
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After watching the GOP for a couple of decades, I think (unfortunately) Romney will probably end up being the nominee. The establishment liberals in the party seem to believe in the 'it's his turn now' philosophy. They are predictable, staid, and boring like that. The tea party is a wildcard, though... hopefully they will have enough momentum in 2012 to push someone who is worth voting for to the front and isn't just the next guy in line.
My two rusty cents
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After watching the GOP for a couple of decades, I think (unfortunately) Romney will probably end up being the nominee. The establishment liberals in the party seem to believe in the 'it's his turn now' philosophy. They are predictable, staid, and boring like that. The tea party is a wildcard, though... hopefully they will have enough momentum in 2012 to push someone who is worth voting for to the front and isn't just the next guy in line.
My two rusty cents
Tim Pawlenty might be the GOP nominee, we shall see. As I see it, Pawlenty is probably going to win the Iowa caucuses. Romney should win New Hampshire, Florida, and Nevada. Gingrich should win South Carolina. Michigan leans Romney's way, but he will be challenged by Pawlenty there. It is going to be an interesting race, and if I am right, Pawlenty needs to focus on Iowa and Michigan if he wants to go to super tuesday.
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Tim Pawlenty might be the GOP nominee, we shall see. As I see it, Pawlenty is probably going to win the Iowa caucuses. Romney should win New Hampshire, Florida, and Nevada. Gingrich should win South Carolina. Michigan leans Romney's way, but he will be challenged by Pawlenty there. It is going to be an interesting race, and if I am right, Pawlenty needs to focus on Iowa and Michigan if he wants to go to super tuesday.
Palin is going to be the nominee. Your boy should just stay home. Watch Palin destroy him in the debates. That is where the rubber is going to meet the road.
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Palin is going to be the nominee. Your boy should just stay home. Watch Palin destroy him in the debates. That is where the rubber is going to meet the road.
Palin might not run. However, if she does, she will look horrible on tv. She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state. She also is inexperienced, and we see how well thats been for us over the past 2 years. Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people. Furthermore, as a "yankee" who saw first hand the results of the 9/11 attack and the necessity to have strong leadership in crisis, I can tell you she is no George W. Bush and she is untested.
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Palin might not run. However, if she does, she will look horrible on tv. She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state. She also is inexperienced, and we see how well thats been for us over the past 2 years. Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people. Furthermore, as a "yankee" who saw first hand the results of the 9/11 attack and the necessity to have strong leadership in crisis, I can tell you she is no George W. Bush and she is untested.
If Palin runs, she will beat Romney like a red headed stepchild in the debates cause Romney is a lying liberal whose record on abortion and health care will destroy him.
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...She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state...
1. I trust you have sources to back up the "facts you've just pulled out of your colon, regarding Alaska state spending under her tenure, troll? (I ask, only because my memory/experience leads me believe that the exact opposite was true - eg. putting the state jet up for sale as an unnecesssary extravagance.)
2. How the hell does bringing home what others are willing to pay her make her a "hypocrite" - your word, troll - when she talks about "elitism"?
...Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people...
Cite for me - links would be nice, if you would - the speech where Sarah stumbled and stammered around as if she were completely unfamiliar with the material she was speaking on, like we've seen Lord Zero do so many times? (FYI: just as one example that comes to mind, you remember that well orchestrated and smooth VP acceptance speech she gave at the GOP convention in '08? Her telly-prompter quit on her 5-10 minutes into that speech, and nobody noticed until the campaign mentioned it the next morning.)
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she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show.
How much did she make from each of them?
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How much did she make from each of them?
In 2009 alone, she made $12 million. That was before a lot of this, so she obviously is making more now.
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In 2009 alone, she made $12 million. That was before a lot of this, so she obviously is making more now.
That is not what i asked you. I asked how much did she make from each of them and do not assume I will take your word for it so be ready to post sources.
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That is not what i asked you. I asked how much did she make from each of them and do not assume I will take your word for it so be ready to post sources.
I'm still curious how he equates that income with hypocrisy when it comes to "elitism". I didn't know there was a dollar figure attached to the term elitist, where if you earn below that you aren't an elitist, but if you cross that magic line, you are an elitist. Is that the significance of the $250,000 figure Lord Barry uses all the time?
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shhh. Don't tell anybody.
Keep an eye on Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) I like lots of what he has to say.
link (http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm)
I really like Ryan.
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I'm still curious how he equates that income with hypocrisy when it comes to "elitism". I didn't know there was a dollar figure attached to the term elitist, where if you earn below that you aren't an elitist, but if you cross that magic line, you are an elitist.
I was getting to that, thanks for jumping the gun! :tongue:
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Mitt Romney...not electable....talks out of both sides of his mouth...Southerner's will not vote for a Yankee liberal.
Hey newbie; are your and Gurn asshole buddies? You keep posting the same crap about Romney.
I think Romney is electable.
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Palin is going to be the nominee. Your boy should just stay home. Watch Palin destroy him in the debates. That is where the rubber is going to meet the road.
You have never seen Romney debate then.
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I was getting to that, thanks for jumping the gun! :tongue:
That's okay: the troll just PM'ed me a list of "sources" on his Palin assertions. The most reputable was a USA Today hit piece from September '08 (as in, when the Propaganda ministry was still busting ass to discredit Palin before the election) confirming that state spending went up under her administration, but having to admit at the same time - and much further down in the article - that the spending increases were initiated by the Dhimmi'Rat legislature she had to work with, and she still managed to impose some spending restrictions on them in return for her signature on the bills.
I notice that Mr. Troll didn't have the cojones to post his "sources" publicly.
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That's okay: the troll just PM'ed me a list of "sources" on his Palin assertions. The most reputable was a USA Today hit piece from September '08 (as in, when the Propaganda ministry was still busting ass to discredit Palin before the election) confirming that state spending went up under her administration, but having to admit at the same time - and much further down in the article - that the spending increases were initiated by the Dhimmi'Rat legislature she had to work with, and she still managed to impose some spending restrictions on them in return for her signature on the bills.
I notice that Mr. Troll didn't have the cojones to post his "sources" publicly.
Cool, thanks for this.
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You have never seen Romney debate then.
I have seen him and he talks out of both sides of his liberal mouth.
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I have seen him and he talks out of both sides of his liberal mouth.
He is not a liberal. :yawn:
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He is not a liberal. :yawn:
Supporting state-run healthcare is not a conservative action. QED
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He is not a liberal. :yawn:
He is a liberal on social issues. So that makes him a liberal in my book. :loser: :loser: :loser:
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Supporting state-run healthcare is not a conservative action. QED
MA does not have state-run healthcare.
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He is a liberal on social issues. So that makes him a liberal in my book. :loser: :loser: :loser:
You can hate the guy, or generally not support him. However, when you bring in massresistance as your facts to back up your opinion -- or you even allowed their cut and paste out of context bullshit to influence your decision, then that opinion is based on nonsense.
He was the governor of a uber-liberal state, so of course he had to be moderate on social issues. The homosexuality in schools LIES, and other such ridiculousness however is not true.
I have no idea who I am supporting for president, however Romney was my governor. He did a great job, and is a strong fiscal conservative. Something we need on a critical level right now.
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He is not a liberal. :yawn:
He's certainly not a conservative in the Reagan/Goldwater mold, either.
Face it, we all want to dig up Ronaldus Maxiumus and reanimate him to run again, but that ain't gonna happen. Romney is a social liberal/fiscal conservative like a lot of Republicans these days. Nothing wrong with that. But, and I preface this by saying it's not FAIR, but his religion WILL be used against him
Even that's a point you can't deny, FL. I don't like it any more than you but it is a fact.
Who do I see running next year? Don't ask me, because at this time in 2007 the field was just as wide open. By this time next year we'll have already voted in the NH primaries, and given the amount of time the candidates will spend here, I'll be able to give you a MUCH better impression as to who I think the nominee should and who it WILL be (note the difference.)
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I have seen him and he talks out of both sides of his liberal mouth.
Apparently, Romney either has bad eyesight or is a liar:
Did Romney Actually See His Dad March With MLK? (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502443_162-3636089-502443.html)
Romney never saw father on King march -Defends figurative words; evidence contradicts story (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/21/romney_never_saw_father_on_king_march/)
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I hope to see all your answers, as I consider it a learning experience for me. Here is my list;
Sarah Palin
Pros: Able to rock social conservatives, able to raise money
Cons: Inexperienced, not electable according to polls
What polls ? DU's? She has more experience than Obama, by virtue as Governor she was required to make decisions, meet a payroll, negotiate with Big Oil, give every Alaskan taxpayer a 2k refund and lots of other accomplishments that comes with responsibility. Read "Going Rogue", then get back to me :wink:
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You can hate the guy, or generally not support him. However, when you bring in massresistance as your facts to back up your opinion -- or you even allowed their cut and paste out of context bullshit to influence your decision, then that opinion is based on nonsense.
He was the governor of a uber-liberal state, so of course he had to be moderate on social issues. The homosexuality in schools LIES, and other such ridiculousness however is not true.
I have no idea who I am supporting for president, however Romney was my governor. He did a great job, and is a strong fiscal conservative. Something we need on a critical level right now.
I hate liberalism not Mitt. However, if you want to make that twisted distinction, go for it McKay. I did not cut and paste anything, I gleamed information from the Boston Globe. If you like and think he did such a good job, you must LOVE Obamacare. Romney talks out of both sides of his mouth. I listened to his explanation of the abortion issue on youtube from his own mouth. I can tell when a politician is lying and this guy is a slick liar. I will not vote for him under any circumstances.
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I hate liberalism not Mitt. However, if you want to make that twisted distinction, go for it McKay. I did not cut and paste anything, I gleamed information from the Boston Globe. If you like and think he did such a good job, you must LOVE Obamacare. Romney talks out of both sides of his mouth. I listened to his explanation of the abortion issue on youtube from his own mouth. I can tell when a politician is lying and this guy is a slick liar. I will not vote for him under any circumstances.
Which articles?
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Which articles?
Google is your friend. That is if your are interested in finding out the truth.
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Don't count out Bobby Jindal just yet. The oil well fiasco launched him into the public light where he handled himself very well. He says he won't run, but I'm hoping he's bluffing. He's a strong fiscal conservative that also polls very well in New Orleans, a heavily minority and democrat area.
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Don't count out Bobby Jindal just yet. The oil well fiasco launched him into the public light where he handled himself very well. He says he won't run, but I'm hoping he's bluffing. He's a strong fiscal conservative that also polls very well in New Orleans, a heavily minority and democrat area.
I was rooting for him as well. I have heard from friends in LA that he is a bit more RINO than what we hear on the outside. Perhaps some of our LA members could clarify.
(Just going on what I have "heard", not anything I have read, or can back up.)
A perfect mindblower would be Barbour and Jindal. But that won't happen in a brazillion years.
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I was rooting for him as well. I have heard from friends in LA that he is a bit more RINO than what we hear on the outside. Perhaps some of our LA members could clarify.
(Just going on what I have "heard", not anything I have read, or can back up.)
A perfect mindblower would be Barbour and Jindal. But that won't happen in a brazillion years.
Jindal started out on the wrong foot 2 years ago by trading badly needed legislative reforms for a pay increase doubling the part time congress critters salaries. The bill was passed. He did not want his signature on it. So by LA law after so many days it becomes law without him signing it. The electorate was outraged. He reluctantly vetoed it. LA legislators are already at the top of the pay heap for southern states.
Louisiana has a 1.6 billion shortfall. Like most governors before him, he slashes hospitals and education. Conservative Repubs want to make deep cuts in employees. Jindal is against that. Freezes in hiring and pay raises will not get the job done.
Jindal has done a much better job than the last several governors but if you are looking for a politician that will make deep cuts in spending, you can forget Jindal.
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Google is your friend. That is if your are interested in finding out the truth.
I read the Globe daily. I live here. He was my governor. You want to school me on him some more about the "truth."
::)
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That's disheartening about Jindal. We don't get much news on him in this neck of the woods. We get flooded with Rick Perryisms.
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Barbour may not run either--the MSM has already floated the race card on him recently.
No, nobody knows who is going to be the front-runner in a year, but I can say this--I'm seeing a lot of Pawlenty and Romney up here in NH.
I'll keep ya'll posted.
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That's disheartening about Jindal. We don't get much news on him in this neck of the woods. We get flooded with Rick Perryisms.
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I watched Sarah Palin's speech at the Reagan Ranch.
I'm changing my mind on her. There is no doubt she's got more charisma than the entire GOP Field & Obama, put together.
Now she's got a great quote besides,
"If history teaches us anything, it's that bad ideas are never gone for good,"
She's starting to look Presidential.
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I watched Sarah Palin's speech at the Reagan Ranch.
I'm changing my mind on her. There is no doubt she's got more charisma than the entire GOP Field & Obama, put together.
Now she's got a great quote besides,
She's starting to look Presidential.
She has always looked presidential. She has an amazing gift of connecting with people. You can't teach that, she was born with it.
That said, she has been polarized by the media. I have friends who are conservative leaning moderates who crack jokes about her on a regular basis. It reads like a bouncy, but when I ask why they ridicule her they can only look at me in disbelief and make comments such as "she's an idiot."
Idiot? my gosh, not even close. She is a very intelligent lady. Gifted speaker. Supports a platform that I know they mostly agree with also. Makes no sense right? I usually just state that I love the emotion she elicits from people who know next to nothing about her. The outright psychosis she sends the left to is rather delicious to watch.
She is a serious money maker for the party. Her support of candidates is also worth serious coin on the open market. Sarah Palin shouldn't run for president. She should continue to be the beacon of what is right with the party.
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When someone tells me she's an idiot I ask them why. Most of the time they can't think of a reason or the one they have is lame. Or they say she has no policy positions yet have never read either of her books or any of her facebook posts. Supporting another candidate or thinking someone else would be a viable candidate doesn't bother me. The thing is, in certain circles it's trendy to think she's an idiot. Generally a lot of them are the same folks who thought it was trendy to vote for Obama. Or they've adopted the stance that she's a RINO because she had to adopt the platform of John McCain when she was his VP candidate. It's kinda the way things are done. Reagan-Bush is a glaring example. She's been very clear about her positions since she got out from under McCain's coattails.
Cindie
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I'm calling it first. Keep your eye on John Thune. If he comes out of the gates strong, he could make a strong push for the nomination.
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I like every word I hear coming out of Donald Trump's mouth.
:fuelfire:
He's got my vote now. I hope he has a good organization.
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Well as I have said before the only two I like are Newt and Palin. I would love to see a Newt/Palin ticket. This would give Palin the experience she needs on a national level to run for president.
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Nothing wrong with being from the north except it has some of the most f. up elitist liberal politicans in the country. I like Gov Christie. Romney is no Christie.
Romney is no Christie.
Hear, hear.
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I like every word I hear coming out of Donald Trump's mouth.
:fuelfire:
He's got my vote now. I hope he has a good organization.
Ron Paul has a better chance than Trump which is as next to zero as you can get. One is an isolationist, and the other is a publicity hound whose policies on trade would start a trade war where no one wins.
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Well as I have said before the only two I like are Newt and Palin. I would love to see a Newt/Palin ticket. This would give Palin the experience she needs on a national level to run for president.
Hell no.
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Hell no.
Well, we'll just disagree, because I would.
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Well, we'll just disagree, because I would.
Same here cause I think Palin would make a great President.
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You guys should dig up Reagan and stuff him. A dead corpse has a better chance of defeating Obama than any of the idiots you put in the top 12.
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You guys should dig up Reagan and stuff him. A dead corpse has a better chance of defeating Obama than any of the idiots you put in the top 12.
Oh, I get it, you're trying to be witty.
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Oh, I get it, you're trying to be witty.
This Canadian turd will not last long. Yukon makes a habit of getting banned.
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You guys should dig up Reagan and stuff him. A dead corpse has a better chance of defeating Obama than any of the idiots you put in the top 12.
Why are you so interested in American politics? Not much to do up there in the Yukon?
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Palin might not run. However, if she does, she will look horrible on tv. She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state. She also is inexperienced, and we see how well thats been for us over the past 2 years. Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people. Furthermore, as a "yankee" who saw first hand the results of the 9/11 attack and the necessity to have strong leadership in crisis, I can tell you she is no George W. Bush and she is untested.
Well guess what numbnutz, it was guys like you and the moonbat left that made her a celebrity! Last I checked we still run this country on capitalism! If ya didn't want her to take advantage of what this country has to offer, maybe ya shouldn't have put the left wing bulls eye on her and a microscope!
Ya didn't complain when Bill Clinton did it! ( ©the Rush Limbaugh Show 2000, all rights reserved! hehehe )
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I don't know where Christie stands on Second Amendment rights. He's a former US Attorney & he's from the Northeast.
I like his style versus the state employees' unions though.
But the Supreme Court is only one vote away from overturning Keller.
Even if that wouldn't happen, it's only one vote away from upholding
laws and regulations that effectively overturn it.
Second Amendment & China are the issues I'm most interested in.
This case bothers me a lot. I think Christie should have pardoned this man.
He did nothing wrong. In fact, he did everything right and he still went to jail.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/dec/21/gov-christie-commutes-sentence-legal-gun-owner/
Christie commuted his sentence. But that man still has a Federal felony conviction on his record.
Christie did the right thing. But Aitken deserved a pardon.
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I have always been a fan of Governor Mike Huckabee, he is really interesting to listen to and I think he the best bet to run against Obama. His name out, he has zero baggage, and he is an all around likable person.
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Same here cause I think Palin would make a great President.
So do I, but I won't vote for Newt. If Palin won't run, Herman Cain is on my list followed by Allen West.
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(http://i44.tinypic.com/13z9xkz.jpg)
Romney in 1994
Another reminder for "theconservative".
Oh wait, thats right. He left. My bad.
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I am not committed to any 2012 hopeful yet, but I do have my leanings. Romney knows economics and budgets, but his healthcare plan and the inconsistencies hurt his appeal. Gingrich has his record for the first two years of being speaker, but the final two years and his personal life serve as liabilities. Huckabee is a good guy who believes in the fair tax, but his record in Arkansas is a mixed bag. Palin's record as governor is also a mixed bag and her personal life is messy. Barbour brings nothing unique to the table. Pawlenty has an impressive record and seems like a good guy, but his statement that "the era of small government is over" will come back to haunt him at some point. Rudy Giulliani can run as a fiscal and national security conservative, but he is socially liberal and has issues on illegal immigration. George Pataki has about everything going for him and has an impressive record, but he is pro-choice. Santorum is nothing special. Daniels is a fiscal hawk, but has issues with the social conservative base. Bachmann has potential and the backing of tea parties, but she is also very controversial. Romer has his appeal, but we need to know more about his policy proposals and not just what money he won't take. Cain is a solid conservative, but his support for the gold standard may raise some eyebrows. Riley brings little to the table. We shall see.
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I don't think we have a real "runner" yet. Too much baggage on most the favs. I'm hopin' Allen West comes to the front. Cain is too much the unknown to have a chance, though I like his policies, he's never seen the gubmint mentality up close.
Whoever it is I hope they have the balls of Bachman and Palin, with the business experience and valor of a West or Caine.
I know, wishful thinkin'!
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I don't think we have a real "runner" yet. Too much baggage on most the favs. I'm hopin' Allen West comes to the front. Cain is too much the unknown to have a chance, though I like his policies, he's never seen the gubmint mentality up close.
Whoever it is I hope they have the balls of Bachman and Palin, with the business experience and valor of a West or Caine.
I know, wishful thinkin'!
I wouldn't mind a West/Cain ticket.
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I wouldn't mind a West/Cain ticket.
Isn't that racist? Hehehehe!
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Isn't that racist? Hehehehe!
I find that black "true" conservatives tend to be more beholden to their conservative beliefs than many white conservatives, many who tend to become RINOs. IMO, it probably has to do with, well, they're black conservatives. They've taken abuse for years from other black Americans and are in the minority in their own race presently. There is nothing really anyone else can throw at them that'll make them waiver on their convictions. It's easier to just go with the flow and become a Democrat, but something in them makes them trudge forward and stick to their guns.
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I find that black "true" conservatives tend to be more beholden to their conservative beliefs than many white conservatives, many who tend to become RINOs. IMO, it probably has to do with, well, they're black conservatives. They've taken abuse for years from other black Americans and are in the minority in their own race presently. There is nothing really anyone else can throw at them that'll make them waiver on their convictions. It's easier to just go with the flow and become a Democrat, but something in them makes them trudge forward and stick to their guns.
Yes, Herman Cain and J.C. Watts are both examples of what you say. Then again, Alan Keyes. It goes to show that there are some good black conservatives and some bad ones, just like there are some good white conservatives and some bad white conservatives.
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Romney:
Pro's = (a) Looks like a President (b) Makes GOP competitive in Northeast (Nah...forget that). (c ) Has some management/job creation experience. (d) GOP often nominates previous campaign's runner-up. That's him. (e) Big name recognition. (f) Strong in New Hampshire. (g) Best hair of all the candidates - including Bachmann & Palin. (h) He's a strong General Election candidate & might even swing Michigan (not Mass) to the GOP.
Con's = (a) Father of Obamacare (b ) RINO? (c ) Comes across as stiff on TV.
Huckabee:
Pro's = (a) Great on the stump. (b) Extremely likable. (c ) Huge name recognition. (d) Either he or Palin have a lock on the Evangelical vote. (e) He'd be very strong in Southern primaries. (f) He'd probably win Iowa too.
Con's = (a) He's a Minister. A lot of folks have a problem with that. (b) He's seen as responsible for releasing a cop-killer from jail. (c) He wasn't a very conservative governor.
Palin:
Pro's = (a) She's actually a conservative. (b) Gave a speech for the ages at the Reagan Museum. (c) Is competitive with Huck for the Evangelicals. (d) Loaded with charisma & anti-charisma.
Con's = (a) Liberals - especially gays -- have a pathological obsession with her. They go psychotic at the mention of her name. (b) She has to overcome the MSM's cartoonish portrayal of her or else the voting public will have to ignore it.
Trump:
Pro's = (a) Huge name recognition (like Palin). (b) Can fund his own campaign. Americans will appreciate that. (c) Has a platform different from any other candidate. It will appeal to a lot of pissed-off Americans. (d) Has actually created jobs, dealt with unions & made a lot of money. (e) I think he's the GOP's strongest candidate in a General Election. (f) Like Palin, he's loaded with charisma & anti-charisma. (g) His best chance of being nominated might be to to pay off Palin/Huckabee/Gingrich & then beat Romney for the nomination.
Con's = (a) It would take a miracle or a revolution in the GOP for him to win the nomination with Palin or Huckabee in the race. (b) The Primary Election voting rules in the states often don't allow cross-over voting. And Trump will need a lot of cross-over votes to win. (c) He has no organization. He probably cannot win a single Southern Primary. (d) May not be able to exist in a political culture. He's used to giving orders and making things happen. (e) Does he really want to file a financial disclosure statement with the FEC & have Obama's lawyers poring over it? (f) Incredibly bad hair.
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That's how I see it. I'm sorry. Right now, I don't take any of the other candidates seriously.
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Honestly, the only pro I see about Huckabee is that he supports the FairTax. Then again, so does Herman Cain. If Herman's still in the running when the NC primary comes around, he's got my vote.
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Honestly, the only pro I see about Huckabee is that he supports the FairTax. Then again, so does Herman Cain. If Herman's still in the running when the NC primary comes around, he's got my vote.
If I had to bet...I'd bet Huckabee doesn't run. I could be wrong. I see (a) the cop-killer thing as fatal to his chances. Can you imagine Obama running that ad against him? (b) I think Trump is going to try to buy off some candidates, like Huck & Gingrich. And I think both would sell for the right price. I don't think Palin would sell out.
If Huck doesn't run & if the miracle Trump would need doesn't happen - that leaves Palin/Romney.
And given the GOP's tradition of nominating also-ran's, I'd bet Romney is the nominee. And he'd take
a Southerner like Barbour or perhaps even Rubio as Veep.
(Rick Perry anybody?) :???:
I have a hard time seeing how any other candidate gets the nomination. I think it comes down to Huckabee, Palin, Romney & Trump. And The Donald would need a miracle. Or else he'd need at least to buy off an endorsement from one or more of the above.
Huck might be willing to sell. Gingrich probably would.
If neither Trump nor Palin run? Maybe one of the other candidates or an unannounced candidate like Perry
would have an opening to beat Romney. But with Huck, Romney, Trump & Palin in the race - there's no oxygen for other candidates to breathe.
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Don't write Herman Cain off just because he isn't an establishment guy. In fact, that's one of his strengths. He has all the conservative principles of Sarah Palin with the added bonuses of supporting the FairTax and being African-American (takes race out of the equation). His only drawback, IMO is that he is relatively unknown. Google him or look for his speeches on youtube, you might like what he has to say.
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I ain't Nostradamus, but I think Huckabee-Palin-Trump would take all the oxygen out of the race.
If Huck doesn't run -- can you imagine a Palin/Trump contest? How could other candidates
even be heard in the media frenzy?
If Trump runs, he would need a miracle to get the GOP nomination.
His strength would be with cross-over voters. And most states don't allow non-Republicans
to vote in GOP primaries. I's possible Trump would lose quickly - by Super Tuesday.
Then what? He tries to revive the Perot coalition & run third-party?
There's already a foundation for an organization there. And I think he could be the first
third-party candidate to win it all since Abraham Lincoln.
But I know this much -- if Trump & Palin are in the race -- with or without Huckabee --
the GOP Primaries are going to be fun to watch.
Right now - I'd still predict Romney. He's got organization, money & he looks Presidential.
And the GOP traditionally nominates the also-ran from a previous election. State primary rules
will favor Romney & will be hard on Trump.
I'll never under-estimate Palin again though. She's impressed me ever since her great speech at the Reagan Library.
Her speech in India was excellent. She's growing. And she's got something Romney & Huck will never have -- charisma.
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I predict:
Trump runs.
Huck does not run.
Palin runs.
Romney wins GOP nomination.
If Trump runs & doesn't win GOP nomination -- he goes third-party unless the GOP nominee
adopts his protectionist, hawkish agenda.
If Trump goes third-party, he will win more states than any candidate since George Wallace in 1968.
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I dont remember any recent elections where the average republican voter got a choice as to who the GOP nominee was going to be.
It appears that the 'good ol boy' network (Rockefeller repukes) and the main stream media have more to say about it than any of us do.
We can flap our gums about this all day long ... but until and/or unless that changes ... we can only count on another RINO .. or worse.
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I dont remember any recent elections where the average republican voter got a choice as to who the GOP nominee was going to be.
It appears that the 'good ol boy' network (Rockefeller repukes) and the main stream media have more to say about it than any of us do.
We can flap our gums about this all day long ... but until and/or unless that changes ... we can only count on another RINO .. or worse.
Agreed. Obama or a RINO equals 6 more years of high debt, high unemployment and inflation. The tea party will take over Congress and the WH if enough people come to the conclusion that neither party is worth a crap.
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I think Romney is going to roll (unfortunately). He's got his organization.
He's loaded with money. He's going to be strong in New Hampshire.
I think he'll be strong in South Carolina too.
In SC, they tend to vote for previous runners-up.
So Huckabee wins Iowa (if he runs). Romney takes NH & SC.
If Huck doesn't run (I don't think he will), Palin wins Iowa - maybe.
Maybe Pawlenty. He's a neighbor.
I would not rule out Romney winning a lot of primaries early
and putting it out of reach. That is probably his strategy.
I'm a Trump supporter. But I can't see any way he gets the nomination,
except by buying every other candidate out or else by some deus ex machina event.