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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dandi on December 20, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
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He/she is a slick one, this Ginto.
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:33 AM
Original message
Now that DADT is going the way of the dodo can we finally get to coed housing in the military?
Like in Starship Troopers.
Why we cling to these puritanical beliefs is vexing. We need to eliminate the taboo of female/male nudity. Both sexes, and all gender identities should be able to cohabitate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x44381
One of the many problem areas that have been brought up and discussed regarding transition to a post-DADT military is whether or not to segregate. Straight men don't want to be in a position where those with possible sexual attraction to them are able to ogle their goods freely with prurient interest, whether those interests are acted on or not. Most men and women would not want to be in that position out of pure modesty, let alone the natural disgust one might feel toward being exposed to a sexual pervert.
DUmmies of course have all along been pooh-poohing those concerns derisively with statements that straights should just "get over it" and that "not everyone wants your body". Well, the natural extension to that would be to enact what the OP is talking about. If it's just some irrational, puritanical phobia that drives straights to want privacy, one that straights just need to get past, then why not extend things to include desegregation of opposite-sex service members? It would seem only logical by DU standards. Only DU standards have a certain flexibility one normally does not encounter in the real world.
originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:39 AM
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2. Rape is already a major problem, and you want to do that?
Starship Troopers = a movie, not reality
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:41 AM
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3. So cohabitation equals rape?
Sounds like something someone would say arguing about DADT. Sorry, but that is nuts.
Turning it back on them. Like I said, Ginto is slick.
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. Women being raped in the armed services is an actual problem. The crap used to counter DADT was crap
Are you intentionally trying to stir crap up?
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. So hetero men just cannot be trusted? Wow. nt
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Yep, those heteros will get you! ROFL. nt
tekisui (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. You think rape is funny?
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. I think the evil hetero boogeyman is hilarious. nt
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Like racists. That's why we need to segregate by race as well. nt
tekisui (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. I'm done with your shit stirring. Have fun!
:hi:
DUmmies hate having the rhetorical tables turned on them.
JuniperLea, the second-stupidest woman on the internet takes the bait:
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
34. Yet this isn't a problem because it involves women...
If this is the case, why aren't people speaking out?
Because it's ****ing bullshit. Bull ****ing shit.
tekisui (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #13
24. You are missing the point.
There is, in reality--not theory, a rampant problem of rape and sexual abuse in the military now.
It is not about a generalization of "hereto men" not being trustworthy. It is a reality that the military has allowed an environment that has lead to this problem. Cohabitation would likely exacerbate it.
Segregation isn't just about rape, you dumbass. It's about privacy and modesty.
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. No. Cohabitation would lead to understanding and decrease problems. As unity and understanding
always does. It's amazing how it works that way.
That's what the DUmmies have been saying, isn't it?
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. Like integrating races. Would you be opposed to racial segregation of barracks if
integration caused beatings, hazings, and other problems?
tekisui (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. Race and gender are not the same issues.
Like I said, the culture in the military has lead to a serious problem of men raping women. That needs to be addressed before they are put in even closer proximity of each other. You claim that cohabitation will work to solve that problem. I am asking you to prove that.
B-b-but, you have been saying race and sexuality are the same when it comes to co-habitating. That military authority should force the issue until everyone gets over it and everything will be okey-dokey, right?
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. I agree. Segregate the barracks by race too. Look at all the racial tension that could be avoided.
nt
Slapping them with their own snarkiness. I love it.
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Yeah, let's make the Military into 1 big frat party! What fools!
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BTW, I clicked on the link and it says Missing Topic.
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BTW, I clicked on the link and it says Missing Topic.
He disrupted poorly...
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Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:33 AM
Original message
Now that DADT is going the way of the dodo can we finally get to coed housing in the military?
Write this down...I'm agreeing with a DUmmie.
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That was something I could not understand about the left's hatred of BSA. The BSA did not want to have freewheeling homos as scout masters. They also did not want hetero men being scout leaders for the Girl Scouts of America. No leftist has ever been able to explain the difference without calling me names.
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I think Ginto was a freeper troll. That being said, we were told at work, that even staring at a good looking coworker could be considered harassment. There aren't too many office workers that fit that description, so it isn't a problem.
Really glad that a former co worker and good friend didn't report me for things.
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Private: "Hey Doc. While I was taking a shower this morning, I noticed this ugly growth on my pecker. I'd like for you o take a look at it."
Corpsman: "Yeah, yeah, blah-blah-blah you've been to town and caught something."
Private: "No Doc. I just got transferred here last week and I haven't been off base since arriving."
Corpsman: "Well, let me have a look at ....OH MY GOD...that's an ugly one alright."
Private: "What is it Doc?"
Corpsman: "Well private, what you have there is the worst case of "Spontaneous San Francisco leech" I've ever seen."
Private: "Can you do something with it Doc?"
Corpsman: "Oh sure...we can either try to pull it off or we can try to burn it off with a torch.....but that might hurt a little bit."
Private: "What do you think is the best thing to do with it?"
Corpsman: "Burn it off....otherwise it'll just latch onto the next pecker it sees....which might be yours again."
Private: "OK, burn it off....and while you're doing that tell me how I caught it."
Corpsman: "You baited the hook with a nice worm....that's how."
Private: "Seriously Doc, How'd I get it?"
Corpsman: "Seriously private, just like I said. Every since they repealed DADT we've been plagued with what we call "San Francisco leeches". They're much worse than either bedbugs or body lice and it'll take an act of congress to get rid of them."
Private: "Doc, Any sure fire ways to prevent this from happening in the future?"
Corpsman: "Well, there's several things you can do like don't wear any form fitting clothes,...never wear anything colorful or fashionable.....and if that don't do it....don't ever shower again.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. So hetero males are more likely to rape than gay males?
Wow... I never thought I'd see the ****ing crap we had to battle in defense of gays being used here on DU against women.
This is seriously ****ed up. Hypocritical fertilizer is about as loathsomely vile as it gets. Seriously.
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:45 AM
Original message
What? Hetero males can't be trusted, but all other gender identities can? More craziness. nt
Ginto (438 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #6
12. Not a criticism at all. I just think it encourages separation and forms unnecessary divisions.
Why a normal male or female cannot live with a member of the opposite sex is beyond me.
Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:43 AM
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6. Why don't you go ahead and try to start your own movement Updated at 8:13 PM
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 11:45 AM by Politicub
And maybe in 17 years you'll get your wish. Start appealing to the masses who are feeling less than the rest of society because of gender divided barracks. Funny, I never seem to hear about this "injustice" except on message boards with posts about DADT.
As an aside, the only people who seem to be calling for something similar are those who want to cowardly criticize the DADT repeal. They can join the pantheon of those on the right who love to make slippery slope arguments that never seem to play out.
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #30
46. Right, because gay rights are so much more important than women's rights...
Just keep digging... the hypocrisy here is beyond disgusting.
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:43 AM
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7. hetero males can't be trusted - it will ruin "unit cohesion" lol nt
Pisces (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 12:05 PM
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38. Stupid flaimbait thread. We won, get over it.
LOL He was able to start some shit and expose their hypocrisy, I'll give him that.
:lmao:
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DUmmie Ginto says....
Ginto (438 posts)
Response to Reply #6
12. Not a criticism at all. I just think it encourages separation and forms unnecessary divisions.
Why a normal male or female cannot live with a member of the opposite sex is beyond me.
If they were all as ugly and stupid as you, Ginto....it might work.
I see her buck naked in the boys locker room and won't nobody on the football team **** her..... :rotf:
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Well, DUmmies.......wouldn't the ideal solution be to quarter the homo men with the hetro women, and the lesbo gals with the men? Neither would be interested (sexually) in the other.....problem siolved.
As long as we are going to apply "social engineering" to the military, shouldn't we do it right??
doc
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Well, DUmmies.......wouldn't the ideal solution be to quarter the homo men with the hetro women, and the lesbo gals with the men? Neither would be interested (sexually) in the other.....problem siolved.
As long as we are going to apply "social engineering" to the military, shouldn't we do it right??
doc
But what do we do with the Q's & I's? Ya' know, the "Questioning" and "Intersex" types. :mental:
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But what do we do with the Q's & I's? Ya' know, the "Questioning" and "Intersex" types. :mental:
Throw them in the BOQ's.
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Well, DUmmies.......wouldn't the ideal solution be to quarter the homo men with the hetro women, and the lesbo gals with the men? Neither would be interested (sexually) in the other.....problem siolved.
There's a reason for that.
(http://www.nastyliver.com/img/2010/21.jpg)
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There's a reason for that.
(http://www.nastyliver.com/img/2010/21.jpg)
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
doc
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Well, if everyone had to live all mixed together in platoon open bays with no walls, even in the shitters, it probably would cut out abuse because everything would be in front of everyone all the time, so there wouldn't be any 'One said this, one said that,' but I don't think anyone in their right mind wants to go there...so someone on DU probably would think it's a good idea.
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Anyone here want to shower with DUmmy Ginto?
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Actually being a honest-to-God DU regular is even more of a counter-indicator for useful military service than raging gayness. So, no, on both counts.
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:lmao: Ginto = FAIL! :rotf:
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Well, if everyone had to live all mixed together in platoon open bays with no walls, even in the shitters, it probably would cut out abuse because everything would be in front of everyone all the time, so there wouldn't be any 'One said this, one said that,' but I don't think anyone in their right mind wants to go there...so someone on DU probably would think it's a good idea.
UGH, you're bringing back memories of Advanced Camp at Ft. Riley, KS, some 33 years ago. We girls (I was 19-junior year in college so yeah I was still a girl) had to live for those 9 weeks in a totally open bay barracks built during WWII I think and still being used then. It was damn stressful to sit on a toilet in front of other girls. I can't even begin to imagine how awful it would be to live like that in the real military.
Only a sick person would find this a palatable alternative, so I'm guessing lotsa DUmmies and other libs will be signing up soon for the "new Army" where they can "be anything they want to be" or something like that. This whole subject is giving me the squicks.
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They won't be signing up for anything. They're already "all that they can be" - complete wastes of oxygen.
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They won't be signing up for anything. They're already "all that they can be" - complete wastes of oxygen.
Exactly! :cheersmate:
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They won't be signing up for anything. They're already "all that they can be" - complete wastes of oxygen.
What? No carbon?....can I at least get a partial carbon credit for offing(poor choice of word there when dealing with homo's) neutralizing one?
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The original point>>> We need to eliminate the taboo of female/male nudity<<
Can't we ALL just accept our bodies for what they are? Sexual or not, we need to get comforable with nudity! And what better place to start?
:fuelfire:
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I think Ginto was a freeper troll. That being said, we were told at work, that even staring at a good looking coworker could be considered harassment. There aren't too many office workers that fit that description, so it isn't a problem.
Really glad that a former co worker and good friend didn't report me for things.
Whatchoo talking bout Willis???
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Whatchoo talking bout Willis???
One of the prerequisites for hiring office personnel seems to be that they are old and nearing retirement age. Then again, there aren't too many young guys in the shop either. Most of us have been there over 10 years.
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One of the prerequisites for hiring office personnel seems to be that they are old and nearing retirement age. Then again, there aren't too many young guys in the shop either. Most of us have been there over 10 years.
That wasn't the sentence I was referring to. :hyper:
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That wasn't the sentence I was referring to. :hyper:
Oh, you read the fine print?
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Oh, you read the fine print?
I always read the fine print. :-)
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I always read the fine print. :-)
I just use to flirt around with a co-worker, but we were good friends, so it was never serious, but more like a game to make people talk.
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Dec-20-10 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #13
24. You are missing the point.
There is, in reality--not theory, a rampant problem of rape and sexual abuse in the military now.
It is not about a generalization of "hereto men" not being trustworthy. It is a reality that the military has allowed an environment that has lead to this problem. Cohabitation would likely exacerbate it.
And how would the instances of sexual assault in the military compare with the typical liberal university?
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And how would the instances of sexual assault in the military compare with the typical liberal university?
...uh...uh...That's not fair [DUmmie/mode]
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And how would the instances of sexual assault in the military compare with the typical liberal university?
Hard to say, the military is under a microscope to report them and deal with them, the average university goes to great lengths to suppress, hide, and shuffle any such reports.
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Maybe one of theses DUmbasses ought ask the boys from Duke it it's a good idea!
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Hard to say, the military is under a microscope to report them and deal with them, the average university goes to great lengths to suppress, hide, and shuffle any such reports.
Yep, I knew of two resident advisers at my college who were accused of rape. One was removed from his position, but no other action was taken. Another became a case of he said, she said. His accuser was another resident adviser, and the school said that the only thing the could do was make sure that they weren't in the same building. I worked with both the guys :thatsright:
But, lets be honest here, do we really want to give any young guys who may have a propensity towards that sort of thing the extra encouragement of naked women? This is the same reason that I oppose co-ed bathrooms. Most guys aren't going to do anything more than perhaps stare (which would be awkward), but it would be like laying a feast out for the criminally inclined.
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Yeah, let's make the Military into 1 big frat party! What fools!
That's the BOQ(fun times!!)