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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on December 18, 2010, 11:22:50 AM
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 07:40 PM
Original message
Why do you think the rich should pay more?
What is your justification?
To me it boils down to this; the Unites States is a very wide open country that allows for the free exchange of ideas and the ability for almost anyone to take a stab at the American Dream. (Myth, I know, but hear me out.)
The flip side of this is that once you made it, you are pretty safe and you can take steps within our system of laws and regulations, to protect your wealth and also to protect your property. (Most law suits in this country are not filed by injury prone ambulance chasers but by patent attorneys trying to protect their clients' Wealth.)
So my rational is that the system is gamed to protect those who have made it. Simply put; they should pay more.
Now the flip side of that, the dark side, if you will, is that if things go in the shitter, and they could very well given the smoldering feelings of angst festering out there in the in-between land, they, meaning the wealthy, have the most to lose. Therefor, they should pay more.
Plus the fact that those in the bottom rungs of the socioeconomic scale tend to spend all that they earn so putting more money in the hands of this strata is best for those at the top as they tend to own everything anyway.
My thinking is that if they continue to not pay their fair share then the chances of their safe refuge here in the good old US of A could very well be put in jeopardy.
So what is your justification.
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 07:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. Why do people deserve other peoples money? Will you pay for my vacation?
Edited on Fri Dec-17-10 07:44 PM by stray cat
How many DUers would gladly give 50% of their income to help Haitians?
WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 07:52 PM
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19. If I were a BILLIONAIRE, I'd give more than that. Don't project your own avarice on others.
Many less wealthy conservatives give more than the rich.
Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 09:44 PM
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42. Unlike you, I don't want to live in a "Mad Max" world.
You think you'll get to be a Marauder and there won't be a Mel Gibson to give you your comeuppance.
What does that mean?
bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
45. Wow, you never would have survived during the Eisenhower era.
91% top marginal tax rate and all.
If it's good enough for the rich, it's good enough for everyone.
Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-18-10 09:59 AM
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68. we do not live in isolated bubbles
'your money' is, first of all, an invention of government that has value if and only if there is a functioning government, a robust economy, and a stabile social system within which 'your money' can be put to use.
You pay your taxes not to pay for my vacation, but so that we can all live in a world in which vacations are possible.
Did you lose your way?
Yet you still want the rich to pay more. Why not work harder or smarter to earn your own way.
gateley (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 07:43 PM
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2. I don't. I just don't think they should be able to take advantage of loopholes that
allow them to pay LESS.
Those so-called loopholes are laws. How about we close those loopholes that allow people to get more money from the government than they pay in.
stray cat (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. That's why I hope they come up with a flat tax percentage with absolutely no deductions
Makes sense to me.
12. That always seems to make sense to me, but people who understand economics
tend to say it wouldn't work.
No. Many economists say that it would work. However most DemonRat politicians know that they benefit, get votes for the tax exemptions they dole to those on the dole.
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DUmmie says...Unlike you, I don't want to live in a "Mad Max" world. ....well, that's where your choice of leaders is taking us.....and we're better prepared for it than you are, DUmmies.
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-17-10 07:40 PM
Original message
Why do you think the rich should pay more?
What is your justification?
To me it boils down to this; the Unites States is a very wide open country that allows for the free exchange of ideas and the ability for almost anyone to take a stab at the American Dream. (Myth, I know, but hear me out.)
The flip side of this is that once you made it, you are pretty safe and you can take steps within our system of laws and regulations, to protect your wealth and also to protect your property.
[snip]
That one phrase negates their whole argument. The fact that people ARE able to make it makes the rest of the premise moot.
Cindie
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And yet ANOTHER thread on the DUmp about the rich and THEIR money. GET.OVER.IT.
The imposter has done a great job creating this class warfare. It all comes from the top. What a classy president imposter. ::) ::)
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There they go again with that "fair share" stuff. I'd love for one of those idiots to explain to me how I'm NOT paying my fair share and not getting any benefit of it yet, they pay nothing ultimately, yet get all the freebies. Their idea of fair is screwed up.
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There they go again with that "fair share" stuff. I'd love for one of those idiots to explain to me how I'm NOT paying my fair share and not getting any benefit of it yet, they pay nothing ultimately, yet get all the freebies. Their idea of fair is screwed up.
Your fair share is when you are as broke as they are.
I'm broke but I don't want a dime taken from anyone else. I would be a hypocrite if I wanted you to pay 90% in taxes and I don't want to pay any taxes.
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Your fair share is when you are as broke as they are.
I'm broke but I don't want a dime taken from anyone else. I would be a hypocrite if I wanted you to pay 90% in taxes and I don't want to pay any taxes.
I agree. I'm not rich, but upper middle class, yet when I look at how much I pay in taxes and then still have to write a check to the government, that phrase "fair share" drives me insane.
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I agree. I'm not rich, but upper middle class, yet when I look at how much I pay in taxes and then still have to write a check to the government, that phrase "fair share" drives me insane.
I got a meager Christmas, I mean holiday bonus and about had a cow when I saw how much was confiscated by the IRS.
If I'm gonna get upset that I'm paying too much I sure as hell don't want the rich to pay too much either.
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A huge portion of the world lives on $1-$2 dollars a day. DUmmies, when you believe that you should sacrifice 90% of your income to help those poorer then you, then you will have a leg to stand on when it comes to arguing the tax rates for the wealthy. Until then, all I see is hypocrisy.
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A huge portion of the world lives on $1-$2 dollars a day. DUmmies, when you believe that you should sacrifice 90% of your income to help those poorer then you, then you will have a leg to stand on when it comes to arguing the tax rates for the wealthy. Until then, all I see is hypocrisy.
Obama has relatives living in thatch huts. Where is that old "charity begins at home" with liberals.
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Obama has relatives living in thatch huts. Where is that old "charity begins at home" with liberals.
Well, Obama ain't at home .....when he returns to Kenya in 2013 maybe he'll start spreading some of "his" wealth around.