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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 01:44 AM
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Police Conduct at the Mall: I Need a Reality Check
Edited on Sun Dec-12-10 01:49 AM by coalition_unwilling
Just as we were concluding our walk at our local mall today, my wife and I witnessed a site that still bothers me. As we headed towards Macy's on the first floor, I happened to notice two uniformed Los Angeles police officers escorting a middle-aged woman in handcuffs towards us. In her mid- to late thirties, the woman was dressed conservatively in white slacks and a yellow top. She did not look like one of the homeless waifs one sees constantly in Los Angeles but also did not look like Nordstom's material either. Decidedly average looking, nothing exceptional. The two male officers passed us with the woman in cuffs between them. I turned to look and observed that they were walking her the full length of the mall towards the end anchored by Nordstrom's.
My wife and I turned to one another and our reaction seemed near unanimous. "That's not cool," I said. "There's no need whatsoever to humiliate and degrade this person by making her walk exposed to public view for the entire length of the mall." Wife agreed and said she thought the woman had probably been arrested for shop-lifting.
I expressed astonishment that anyone would risk shop-lifting at this time of year when security is apt to be tighter than usual. Wife quickly rebutted me "Oh no," she said. "Even if she's unemployed, I can see that if she has kids, they expect Santa to bring them something. I can just see some dough-eyed kid saying, 'What's Santa going to bring me this year, Mom?'
As we continued to walk, we each grew more incensed that this person, no matter her social standing, should have been forced to walk the length of the mall exposed to public view. Wife said she thought the fact that the two LAPD officers were men and the alleged perpetrator was a woman allowed them to think there was nothing wrong with what they were doing.
So when we reached the Mall's Concierge and Welcome service, we mentioned to one of the "hosts" there how unseemly we had found the whole matter. This host was quick to make excuses for what we had seen. First she said to me, "Sir, if it was LAPD we don't control what they do." We continued to protest that the LAPD had no business perp-walking this person through the mall to humiliate and degade her.
"They could have taken her out of the building through the Macy's exit," I said. "They didn't have to make her walk the entire length of the mall in public in handcuffs."
Then the host said, "Sir, i was unemployed and I never shop-lifted." I pointed out that I was not saying that shop-lifting was justifiable but that I was objecting to the LAPD publicly humiliating a citizen when there was no need for them to do so. The host fell back on the "We don't control the LAPD" line as wife and I walked away, me saying that what they had done and the Mall allowing it was the height of 'tacky' and very 'declasse' (classless), I could just tell that this host who had to be working class was decidedly not getting why what we had seen was so offensive.
However, after the movie was over, wife and I somewhat undermined our high horse when we returned to purchase the gift for our friend at Brookstone. I only remembered how offended we had been after we were in the car and heading home. I hope this woman we saw is able to salvage something of worth from this holiday season and can only say that we wish her well and that her troubles dissipate.
Why would the police walk someone down the entire length of the mall in cuffs in full public view? Is any public policy purpose served by such a display? It was really quite incredible and I'm still somewhat in shock at what I saw. I will try to respond to each person who responds but, given the lateness of the hour, some responses may not happen until tomorrow.
:rotf: Bitching to one of the workers at an information booth. Like they care.
Maybe the other end of the mall is where mall security is located.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 02:17 AM
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7. Nah what you saw is a very old attitude
vis a vis the poor and internalized by many of the poor as well.
Who you saw in cufs was not a deserving poor.. yes actual term. And it is in the national DNA... you can thank The English Poor Laws for that and well John Calvin. It is this belief that if you do as you are told, you will get the help you need... if you don't, forget economic conditions, in this view they don't matter. it is your fault.
It is moralistic, it is bullshit, and it is one of the things that needs to change in this country.
:confused:
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 02:13 AM
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5. The LAPD are notoriously corrupt and ugly. nt
No police knocking thread is complete without Beth's 2 cents. As usual she uttered nothing of any importance.
Cid_B (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 02:17 AM
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8. The whole thing could have been avoided...
if she hadn't been a thief....
Dirty freeper mole.
TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 02:45 AM
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14. you're really projecting
First, you don't even know what the woman was arrested for. Maybe she was arrested for shoplifting and maybe she was arrested for something far more heinous... like maybe she was beating the shit out of her kid in Macy's, or maybe she punched out another shopper because she wanted that last pair on jeans on the shelf, or maybe she was pickpocketing the wallets of other shoppers, etc.
Second, if it was shoplifting she was arrested for you're assuming that she shoplifted for some noble reason. Clue: There is no noble reason for shoplifting. People who shoplift do it because they just don't want to pay for something and want to have it for free. It's an act of despicable GREED. It's also a fact that people who do shoplift do it far more during busy times than any other. At slow times what shoppers are doing is far more noticeable. So, assuming she must have been somehow "really desperate" because of shoplifting during a busy holiday time is ass backwards. Why do you think more security is necessary during busy shopping times than any other? Uh... because people shoplift a hell of a lot more during busy times than any other!
Third, you're all worried about a greedy criminal being humiliated by being walked through the mall? As far as I'm concerned, a greedy criminal could use a little humiliation as a lesson that it's a bad idea to be a greedy criminal. It also makes a good deterrent for anyone seeing it that may have been doing or contemplating doing their own greedy criminal deeds. Anyone thinking on lifting that DVD they don't want to pay for would think twice seeing someone being frogmarched in handcuffs out of the mall.
Fourth, who says they were taking her out of the mall in the first place? Usually shoplifters don't go straight from the scene of the crime to the police station but are taken to the mall's security area where they may be frisked to find out if anything else was stolen, and especially to review the surveillance video to see if there's a reason to take them to the police station at all.
Fifth, why is it that you automatically assume that she was taken through the length of the mall for no other reason than to humiliate her? Did it not occur to you that the other end of the mall was were the police car was located and they can't have it drive around by remote control to the other end of the mall?
You saw this woman who got arrested and taken through the mall by police officers and just made up a story that suited your odd need to be outraged when you have no idea why she was arrested in the first place or why she was being taken in the direction she was. No wonder the worker at the courtesy counter probably thought you were nuts.
I'd bet he's correct all the way around. :clap:
StarsInHerHair (288 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 04:36 AM
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and the dumb cops seem oblivious the GOP is out to pilfer their pensions
their position has been filled by private security, they don't fully realize this, but as cuts to their Depts. continue........cops are "welfare queens", same with firefighters and teachers.
Someone DUmber than Beth.
Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 06:45 AM
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23. Bad "bouncy story."
Did they actually walk her "down the entire length of the mall in cuffs in full public view?"
:bouncy: He gets it.
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 01:44 AM
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Police Conduct at the Mall: I Need a Reality Check
Edited on Sun Dec-12-10 01:49 AM by coalition_unwilling
Just as we were concluding our walk at our local mall today, my wife and I witnessed a site that still bothers me. As we headed towards Macy's on the first floor, I happened to notice two uniformed Los Angeles police officers escorting a middle-aged woman in handcuffs towards us. In her mid- to late thirties, the woman was dressed conservatively in white slacks and a yellow top. She did not look like one of the homeless waifs one sees constantly in Los Angeles but also did not look like Nordstom's material either. Decidedly average looking, nothing exceptional. The two male officers passed us with the woman in cuffs between them. I turned to look and observed that they were walking her the full length of the mall towards the end anchored by Nordstrom's.
Yo fecal-rectal matter stain - if you are so wound up over this travesty of justice, then follow the thief to the jail & courthouse, post her bail, buy her an attorney and get her thieving ass out of her mess.
Of course you will not since your pseudo rage social activism only goes as far as a taxpayer's dollar will stretch. As long as someone else pays for the injustice, you will be OUTRAGED! Otherwise...
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Gee, I wonder where the mall's security office is ? Every mall I have been to has had that office located at one end or the other.
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And LAPD, or someplace around? Frankly, LAPD has their hands full enough of REAL criminals that unless it WAS something more serious, they'd likely just issue her a summons to appear in court for shoplifting.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 06:45 AM
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23. Bad "bouncy story."
Did they actually walk her "down the entire length of the mall in cuffs in full public view?"
:rofl: I have actually seen that happen though.
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Someone DUmber than Beth.
Untrue, unless you're talking about Sheila Jackson Lee, or Cynthia McKinney.
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How could this happen after four glorious years of democrat control of congress, much less after two years of hopey-changey under lord obama?
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Okay, so to be honest, I didn't read this whole bouncy. I just can't stomach to read through a full one anymore.
I think it's great that the cops showed the rest of the mall patrons what will happen to you if you decide to use your five-finger discount.
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Boo-friggin-hoo. Criminals should be publicly humiliated.
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"Dough eyed" did you need to read further to know the poster is dumb as a post? I didn't
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"Dough eyed" did you need to read further to know the poster is dumb as a post? I didn't
maybe she'd been arrested for Batter-y.
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"Dough eyed" did you need to read further to know the poster is dumb as a post? I didn't
Hey, she could have been a representative for Pillsbury. We just don't know.
KC
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"Dough eyed" did you need to read further to know the poster is dumb as a post? I didn't
It took you that long? I caught on in his first sentence:
I witnessed a site that still bothers me.
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What we have here is a DUmbass who was caught enjoying a traditional democrat activity, theft, and is now furious at not being treated with respect, care, and compassion by the security and law enforcement people he encountered. So he logged on to the DUmp, and invented a bouncy tale to make himself feel better.
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It took you that long? I caught on in his first sentence:
Maybe he meant he saw it online. :-)
I know everyone makes errors when typing but, when these goons tell us how much smarter they are than anyone and they make these mistakes it just makes them look foolish.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec-12-10 10:14 AM
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36. Why would you use that descriptor?
I've never seen anyone use the phrase "bouncy story" here on DU. I have however seen it on several of those other sites that may not be mentioned here.
I still am amused that they can't even openly mention this site and our old home either.
:-)
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I still am amused that they can't even openly mention this site and our old home either.
:-)
If they do Big Brother will come down on them. Then they'll be escorted to the Ministry of Love by the Thought Police and sent to Room 101.
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Oh now.
I've never seen anyone use the phrase "bouncy story" here on DU.
The Die alte Sau is lying.
As usual.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher is much more intimately-acquainted with Skins's island than I am, and even I've seen primitives use the term before, for at least the past three years.
The first primitive who used it probably did get it from our old home, but since then it's popped up here-and-there on Skins's island, enough so that most primitives understand what the term means.
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escorting a middle-aged woman in handcuffs towards us. In her mid- to late thirties,
Thirties is middle-aged? Damn, I must be Methuselah.
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There weren't even any bushes in the mall. Negative 12 bongs. Pa-freaking-thetic!
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Boo-friggin-hoo. Criminals should be publicly humiliated.
High 5 to you Colonial.
I do not believe the police would have been on hand had security not called them for a problem other then shoplifting.
What ever, as no Mall cops were with the police just the 2 cops and the woman in handcuffs, something was or had to have be going on.
Perhaps the mall had a policy that did not allow the private security to interfear with a thief, just keep taping them follow them from store to store and station someone in the parking lots to get the license number of the thief if they left before the cops arrived.
We have all read at one time or another of an employee of a store get fired when they chased after a thief out the door.
If the arrest was a mistake then the mall itself will not face a law suit, as in the case of my moms friend that went to a upscale department store and bought a 3-4 hundred dollar jacket. She at the time was well into her 70's and quite deaf. The clerk forgot to remove the security tag and as she exited the store the buzzer went off and 2 young plain closed security yelled at her to stop----She just kept going out the door. The guards in t shirts and ball caps grabbed her and she thought she was being robbed. She fought for her life the spunkey 110 pound woman, bit one so hard her dentures cracked and was thrown to the ground so hard that she cracked a few bones, broke her glasses and her poor husband waiting outside the door-- came to her rescue, he in late 80's swing his walker over his head at the two men wrestling with his wife on the floor.
It had to have been one hell of a mess as the woman and husband owned one of the largest Fuel oil and heating business in 2 states. Filled Pools and drained septic tanks.
Later much later the old lady drove to my moms home and took Mom out for a ride in her Brand New Car, Mom asked her where she had gotten a sports car and at her age why.
Old lads told her that bones break and heal, glasses and teeth can be replaced but the absolute horror of the moment was enough to have the store buy her a car. Any car she wished and they never expected to buy her a Corvette.
BTW the young men that tackled her had never been properly trained as security and--Believe it or not--- They called her to check on their welfare so often the husband hired them to work in the Honey Waggon section of his business. Both were happy as---pardon the pun--happy as shit as the pay was twice that of being a security guard.
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Oh now.
The Die alte Sau is lying.
As usual.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher is much more intimately-acquainted with Skins's island than I am, and even I've seen primitives use the term before, for at least the past three years.
The first primitive who used it probably did get it from our old home, but since then it's popped up here-and-there on Skins's island, enough so that most primitives understand what the term means.
Correct. Since the primitive can't call the story denier a racist, she is suggesting that the denier is a troll. Typical DUer behavior.
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Here we go. This post is a way to "slap the police in the face". That's all it is. Why do primitives/liberals hate the military and police so much? Is it because they feel so inferior to them? What's the deal with that?
Besides, if the woman was caught stealing, isn't that what happ[ens? You get led away in handcuffs if caught. Do you mean to tell me that this woman you described didn't know that?
And, if you were so sicken by what you saw, why didn't you question the police? Another bitchy liberal couple, that's all you two are. :redbird:
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Here we go. This post is a way to "slap the police in the face". That's all it is. Why do primitives/liberals hate the military and police so much? Is it because they feel so inferior to them? What's the deal with that?
Besides, if the woman was caught stealing, isn't that what happ[ens? You get led away in handcuffs if caught. Do you mean to tell me that this woman you described didn't know that?
And, if you were so sicken by what you saw, why didn't you question the police? Another bitchy liberal couple, that's all you two are. :redbird:
TB, it's almost the 15th. Maybe their gubbimint checks come bi-monthly, and they ran out of money for their pot.
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I still am amused that they can't even openly mention this site and our old home either.
:-)
Sad thing of it is...they are freely & openly acceptive of residing in their own gulag.
These dorks openly and freely accept and WELCOME their own interment.
Tell me that ain't screwed up!
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Thirties is middle-aged? Damn, I must be Methuselah.
No kidding...I feel as though I should be reminiscing with my cat over my Mayflower days... :-)
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Here we go. This post is a way to "slap the police in the face". That's all it is. Why do primitives/liberals hate the military and police so much? Is it because they feel so inferior to them? What's the deal with that?
Besides, if the woman was caught stealing, isn't that what happ[ens? You get led away in handcuffs if caught. Do you mean to tell me that this woman you described didn't know that?
And, if you were so sicken by what you saw, why didn't you question the police? Another bitchy liberal couple, that's all you two are. :redbird:
The DUmmy libtards HATE the military and the police because they represent a moral, sound, lawful social structure. The hippies are all for smoking anything that burns, screwing anything with an orifice, and expecting someone else to pay for it. A successful legal system will not allow for that since it will eventually collapse in on itself thus dying in the process.
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No kidding...I feel as though I should be reminiscing with my cat over my Mayflower days... :-)
Hell my birthdays are going by so fast, it seem like I had one a month ago and another one yesterday.
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I don't know about the LAP or how they run security at the malls there but around here near Omaha we don't clap on the bracelets unless they resist or make a run for it. The person in the OP probably tried to assault either or both the cops and the mall security and was lucky they didn't what Rodney King got .
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All this from a group who has wetdreams about Bush, Cheney and Rove "frog marched" out in public view...
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Where have I heard this story before?
Oh yeah...now I remember.
"I don't have all the facts...but the police acted stupidly."
B. Hussein Obama, Pres__ent
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Where have I heard this story before?
Oh yeah...now I remember.
"I don't have all the facts...but the police acted stupidly."
B. Hussein Obama, Pres__ent
NICE! You earned yourself a H5 for that.
I forgot that the imposter occupying the White Mosque said that. It all comes fro the top. And at the top, is not what we want.
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And LAPD, or someplace around? Frankly, LAPD has their hands full enough of REAL criminals that unless it WAS something more serious, they'd likely just issue her a summons to appear in court for shoplifting.
Depends. If it is over $250 ya usually have to bond out. Bein' as it sounds like it was Nordstrams, coulda been an expensive piece of jewelry that put it over the top.