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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Janice on December 08, 2010, 10:45:21 PM
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House Passes DREAM Act Immigration Measures (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/12/08/house-passes-dream-act-immigration-measures)
The RINOs and cowards can be reached in 2012, if we remember their names.
The 8 Rinos who voted to end their careers are:
Cao
Castle
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Djou
Ehlers
Inglis
Ros-Lehtinen
The Rinos (cowards) who opted not to vote:
Bilbray
Blunt
Buyer
Fallin
Gingrey (GA)
Granger
Griffith
Marchant
McMorris Rodgers
Radanovich
Stutzman
Source (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll625.xml)
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:banghead: :censored:
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Unbelievable!
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Assuming this passes the Senate, which I sure as hell hope it doesn't, can't the Republican majority overturn this Nightmare Act in January? At least two-thirds of the American people are against giving a free ride to illegals. Bad enough we're forced to pay for their schooling through grade 12.
WTF is wrong with the "leadership" in DC? WHY are the only nation on earth not "allowed" BY OUR OWN PULING GOVERNMENT to protect our borders? :censored:
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Assuming this passes the Senate, which I sure as hell hope it doesn't, can't the Republican majority overturn this Nightmare Act in January? At least two-thirds of the American people are against giving a free ride to illegals. Bad enough we're forced to pay for their schooling through grade 12.
WTF is wrong with the "leadership" in DC? WHY are the only nation on earth not "allowed" BY OUR OWN PULING GOVERNMENT to protect our borders? :censored:
If it passed the senate, Teh Won would sign it, so there isn't much to do but hope it fails in the senate.
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If it passed the senate, Teh Won would sign it, so there isn't much to do but hope it fails in the senate.
Yeah, I guess overriding a veto from Little Lord Zer0 is asking too much of some of the RINOs loitering around Congress doing the Dem's work.
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Disgusting! Disaster upon disaster sums up this administration.
I saw the Breaking news, and actually cursed aloud.
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Gingrey abstained from voting :banghead:
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I wonder if there isn't more to the thinking behind the dream act? Think of battalions full of illegals rumbling down the streets of America. Hey I'm just sayin. I don't know what is on these power hungry bastards minds anymore!
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I keep thinking of the verse "comes like a thief in the night" every time the Pelosi / Reid Congress passes legislation. Their rendezvous with destiny has just drawn a whole lot closer with the passage of this legislation. The back lash cometh. Americans waking up to this will not be pleased. The American voter may be a bit the slow to anger but they are not stupid, they did not vote for this nor will they stand for it.
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I doubt it will go anywhere in the Senate..With that being said..
The 'Lame Duck' period needs to be ended, by moving the elections to the beginning of the year. November 2nd made sense when it would take weeks to move a newly elected person to Washington from across the country, but no longer. Now the lame duck sessions have become a period of vengeance voting.
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I didn't think that Obama care would pass the Senate either. But it did.
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They need 60 votes for this to pass the Senate. They don't have them.
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I doubt it will go anywhere in the Senate..With that being said..
The 'Lame Duck' period needs to be ended, by moving the elections to the beginning of the year. November 2nd made sense when it would take weeks to move a newly elected person to Washington from across the country, but no longer. Now the lame duck sessions have become a period of vengeance voting.
New members of Congress really need that long to get their office staff hired and set up, go through orientation, etc.
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New members of Congress really need that long to get their office staff hired and set up, go through orientation, etc.
Aren't certain committee appointments also made during this time period?
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I hope it does not pass the senate, but as Rich said, healthcare did.
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I heard as well that the 60 votes aren't there. We shall see. What would make this slightly more palatable would be to remove the college and require the military service. College is just party time, anymore. With the plethora of majors to choose from, like surfing the Internets, making clay pots, and pondering ones navel, college can mask nothing but fun, fun times, full of boozy irresponsibility.
I tend to agree with Miskie on the lame duck. This time period is too long. How much orientation is really needed? Here's the bathroom. Staff? Staff positions were likely decided long ago. If you don't know who your right hand men are going to be, you're not smart enough for the job.
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I wonder if there isn't more to the thinking behind the dream act? Think of battalions full of illegals rumbling down the streets of America. Hey I'm just sayin. I don't know what is on these power hungry bastards minds anymore!
They are here already. I see them everyday in brand-new, full-sized trucks with their surname emblazoned in Old English script on the back glass.
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So which one "conquers" our country first? Sharia law (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-09-shariaban09_ST_N.htm[u) or illegal immigrants (30 million+ new democrap voters)? With the help of our wonderful masters (not representatives anymore), the benevolent imperial federal govt. of course ...
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Speechless. Totally speechless. I hope the Good Lord forgives em , cuz I surely am not.
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Dang ... I wish I had an edit button ... messed up the underline above. :/
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anyone know the number of the bill...I can't find it and Thomas.gov has 31 bills if you search "undocumented" :thatsright:
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While I detest the RINOs who voted in favor for this nightmare, I have less respect for the ****ing cowards who refused to take a stand and vote for it. We send these bastards to D.C. for a reason. To represent us and take a stand on the issues. The traitors who voted to pass this clearly do not represent the American people and the limp dicks who opted out failed to fill their job responsibilities. Let's not forget this group in 2012.
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Congress should not be allowed to do anything at all during the "lame duck" time with the exception of declaring war if necessary.
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I heard as well that the 60 votes aren't there. We shall see. What would make this slightly more palatable would be to remove the college and require the military service. College is just party time, anymore. With the plethora of majors to choose from, like surfing the Internets, making clay pots, and pondering ones navel, college can mask nothing but fun, fun times, full of boozy irresponsibility.
I tend to agree with Miskie on the lame duck. This time period is too long. How much orientation is really needed? Here's the bathroom. Staff? Staff positions were likely decided long ago. If you don't know who your right hand men are going to be, you're not smart enough for the job.
Require military service? In a pig's ass.
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I doubt it will go anywhere in the Senate..With that being said..
The 'Lame Duck' period needs to be ended, by moving the elections to the beginning of the year. November 2nd made sense when it would take weeks to move a newly elected person to Washington from across the country, but no longer. Now the lame duck sessions have become a period of vengeance voting.
Up to 1933 the President took office in March after November. Mostly because it took that long prior to the telephone to get a cabinet together.
New congressional critters do need a period to adjust to being a congressman. Hiring staff, being briefed on the rules of the House, being assigned to committee, etc.
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I heard as well that the 60 votes aren't there. We shall see. What would make this slightly more palatable would be to remove the college and require the military service. .
Sorry, but I don't want illegal aliens serving in my Military.
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Up to 1933 the President took office in March after November. Mostly because it took that long prior to the telephone to get a cabinet together.
New congressional critters do need a period to adjust to being a congressman. Hiring staff, being briefed on the rules of the House, being assigned to committee, etc.
In GWB's book Decision Points, he mentioned he had 38 days to put together his cabinet after the Florida goatrope in which both candidates contested the results going all the up to SCOTUS. I seem to recall he did okay, though he admits he never really got along with Paul O'Neill.
I do agree that the n00bs need some time to get acclimated.
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In GWB's book Decision Points, he mentioned he had 38 days to put together his cabinet after the Florida goatrope in which both candidates contested the results going all the up to SCOTUS. I seem to recall he did okay, though he admits he never really got along with Paul O'Neill.
I do agree that the n00bs need some time to get acclimated.
Yes, and try doing that without email or a telephone or a functioning highway system.
They could probably seat them in Mid December. There are two Holidays however that people like to take between the election and January.
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Of course 100 years ago, congressional offices probably consisted of a secretary and the congressman.
That was when they did quaint things like write legislation themselves and read legislation before passing it.
For some reason they wrote less legislation and the legislation was shorter and easier to understand back than.
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In GWB's book Decision Points, he mentioned he had 38 days to put together his cabinet after the Florida goatrope in which both candidates contested the results going all the up to SCOTUS. I seem to recall he did okay, though he admits he never really got along with Paul O'Neill.
I do agree that the n00bs need some time to get acclimated.
Has Obama ever completely filled all the Cabinet positions? Last I heard anything about it, he had all those "czars" instead, because they didn't need congressional approval.
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Yes, and try doing that without email or a telephone or a functioning highway system.
They could probably seat them in Mid December. There are two Holidays however that people like to take between the election and January.
More than that when you consider Hanukkah, which the House recognizes, on Dec. 1.
I think the overall point is, there is probably little justification to hold an inauguration 2.5 months after an election in this day and age of instant communication. If Bush can do it, so can everybody else.
Do the noobs need almost two months to go through their "in-processing"? Not too sure about that - that may be excessive as well. Get these Congressshits to work immediately.
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Of course 100 years ago, congressional offices probably consisted of a secretary and the congressman.
That was when they did quaint things like write legislation themselves and read legislation before passing it.
For some reason they wrote less legislation and the legislation was shorter and easier to understand back than.
In The Making of the President 1960, the author Theodore White noted that the presidential campaign that year couldn't get underway until after Labor Day, because Congress was then in session until late August (after which it ended for the rest of the year), and everybody, including the presidential candidates, were too busy with legislation.
My, how times have changed.
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Has Obama ever completely filled all the Cabinet positions? Last I heard anything about it, he had all those "czars" instead, because they didn't need congressional approval.
Looks like it, according to Wiki.
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Well? Looks like this is done.
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
Hope this is the original, appears to be from Thomas.gov
http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/thomas (Search #9)
Linkee no workee
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S3992 (http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:9:./temp/~bdUSb1:@@@L&summ2=m&|/home/LegislativeData.php|#major actions)
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Who withdrew it? Dopey Reid himself? It takes 12 votes to reconsider.
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In The Making of the President 1960, the author Theodore White noted that the presidential campaign that year couldn't get underway until after Labor Day, because Congress was then in session until late August (after which it ended for the rest of the year), and everybody, including the presidential candidates, were too busy with legislation.
My, how times have changed.
Well a congressman/woman who hoped to get re-elected in those days had to go to every single function in the community from September to November.
That generation wouldn't feel too comfortable picking their representative based on TV commercials.
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So.... are we still waiting for this to pass the senate? I am not turning on C-SPAN because I'd end up throwing my remote through the TV.
Gosh, if unemployment is this bad, just imagine if we let all the illegal immigrants become citizens. It's not like jobs are magically going to appear.
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So.... are we still waiting for this to pass the senate? I am not turning on C-SPAN because I'd end up throwing my remote through the TV.
Gosh, if unemployment is this bad, just imagine if we let all the illegal immigrants become citizens. It's not like jobs are magically going to appear.
This is what the entry says:
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
That looks like it's been tabled for now. Picked up in the new Congress? Maybe. Or simply left to die right where it is.
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If it's picked up for the new Congress, then it's a dead bill... or it BETTER be anyway.
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Troubling, just wrong giving up our borders like this.
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Linkee no workee
Maybe cuz I removed it :naughty:
Sorry, I can't figure that bill out. Too many of the damn things and I thought maybe I had the wrong one.
This is what Thomas has:
ALL ACTIONS:
11/30/2010:
Introduced in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time. (text of measure as introduced: CR S8301-8304)
12/1/2010:
Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 663.
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure made in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Cloture motion on the motion to proceed to the bill presented in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552; text: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
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Damn, 2 modifies in 1 post...I'm over it. Thanks Eupher!
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Maybe cuz I removed it :naughty:
Sorry, I can't figure that bill out. Too many of the damn things and I thought maybe I had the wrong one.
This is what Thomas has:
ALL ACTIONS:
11/30/2010:
Introduced in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time. (text of measure as introduced: CR S8301-8304)
12/1/2010:
Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 663.
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure made in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Cloture motion on the motion to proceed to the bill presented in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552; text: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
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Damn, 2 modifies in 1 post...I'm over it. Thanks Eupher!
No prob. Chris picked up the link in Reply #35 anyway. It's all good. :cheersmate:
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yeah, chris's linkee no workee either :bawl:
is it typical to give these bills different #'s while they add/modify or eff it up?
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Well a congressman/woman who hoped to get re-elected in those days had to go to every single function in the community from September to November.
That generation wouldn't feel too comfortable picking their representative based on TV commercials.
Why not? They elected Kennedy based on his performance in a televised debate. Despite the fact that Nixon handed JFK his head, the fact that Nixon LOOKED worse (including the infamous sweating) held sway with a lot of voters.
Nixon was leading in the polls before that debate. Afterwards, the momentum swung to Kennedy.
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According to CNN today, it's pretty close to being a dead letter for this Congress, though if the Senate adopted the House version verbatim (Which is deemed very improbable) before the clock runs out it would still go through.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/09/dream.act/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/09/dream.act/index.html?hpt=T2)
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According to CNN today, it's pretty close to being a dead letter for this Congress, though if the Senate adopted the House version verbatim (Which is deemed very improbable) before the clock runs out it would still go through.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/09/dream.act/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/09/dream.act/index.html?hpt=T2)
Why is that, Tank? It'd still have to get 60 votes.
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That looks like it's been tabled for now. Picked up in the new Congress? Maybe. Or simply left to die right where it is.
Is there an expiration on the abomination the house passed yesterday or is this going to hang over our heads until the dems get the votes to pass it?
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Not sure I understand your question, I believe what you are asking is exactly WHY it is deemed very improbable that the Senate would be willing to just adopt the House bill verbatim. If they did, of course, there would be no need for a conference committee and subsequent revotes to approve the conferenced version.
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Nightmare Act more like. :argh:
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Yes, the odds of this passing in the Senate now are very very low, but it could still occur "in theory". Same with the DADT repeal - they're just pandering and posturing to their loony base, but every little thing they do in the lame duck session should be watched "just in case".
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Not sure I understand your question, I believe what you are asking is exactly WHY it is deemed very improbable that the Senate would be willing to just adopt the House bill verbatim. If they did, of course, there would be no need for a conference committee and subsequent revotes to approve the conferenced version.
No, I wasn't asking that Tank. It seemed that you were writing that if the Senate voted on the House version exactly as it is now it would automatically pass. But as of now they don't have the votes. It hasn't passed the Senate in any form, so a conference commiteee doesn't enter into the picture yet. I was wondering if you knew something here I wasn't aware of.
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anyone know the number of the bill...I can't find it and Thomas.gov has 31 bills if you search "undocumented" :thatsright:
I think its H R 5281.
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Why not? They elected Kennedy based on his performance in a televised debate. Despite the fact that Nixon handed JFK his head, the fact that Nixon LOOKED worse (including the infamous sweating) held sway with a lot of voters.
Nixon was leading in the polls before that debate. Afterwards, the momentum swung to Kennedy.
Presidential Elections have always been media affairs with maybe the exception of the first 2 with Washington.
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No, I wasn't asking that Tank. It seemed that you were writing that if the Senate voted on the House version exactly as it is now it would automatically pass. But as of now they don't have the votes. It hasn't passed the Senate in any form, so a conference commiteee doesn't enter into the picture yet. I was wondering if you knew something here I wasn't aware of.
Ahh, no, we were looking at slightly different steps in the process. You are talking about 'If it came up for a vote in the Senate,' I was talking about 'If it passed a vote in the Senate.' There are some peculiarities and procedural intricacies of the way filibuster works in a given case and how legislation is packaged for Senate presentation that can possibly evade it in certain circumstances, though, and I won't rest easy on this one until the final gavel falls on the session.
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Ahh, no, we were looking at slightly different steps in the process. You are talking about 'If it came up for a vote in the Senate,' I was talking about 'If it passed a vote in the Senate.' There are some peculiarities and procedural intricacies of the way filibuster works in a given case and how legislation is packaged for Senate presentation that can possibly evade it in certain circumstances, though, and I won't rest easy on this one until the final gavel falls on the session.
IOW most of this is procedural BS. Back to my civics class I go.
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IOW most of this is procedural BS. Back to my civics class I go.
Yes, but it is the nature of the Senate that legislation lives or dies by such procedural bullshit, not by its merits or lack thereof.
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I wonder if there isn't more to the thinking behind the dream act? Think of battalions full of illegals rumbling down the streets of America. Hey I'm just sayin. I don't know what is on these power hungry bastards minds anymore!
A majority of Mexicans think we done them wrong and they were cheated out of the Southwestern territories. So now they sneak across our borders to outspawn us. Meanwhile the Chinese are buying up our assets and the Arabs have us over the oil barrel.
And our so-called leaders can't wait to keep selling us out. :fuelfire:
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So which one "conquers" our country first? Sharia law (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-09-shariaban09_ST_N.htm[u) or illegal immigrants (30 million+ new democrap voters)? With the help of our wonderful masters (not representatives anymore), the benevolent imperial federal govt. of course ...
I'm going to go with both. Both the throwbacks and the illegals are already causing chaos in this Country.
If we had a gubberment that worked for the people, by the people, of the people, this wouldn't be happening. But look what's in the White Mosque and who's surrounding/supporting the White Mosque. Dangerous times indeed.
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The ONLY optimistic way I can look at is is that my generation is going to have some extremely interesting, detailed stories to tell their future children.
If it pans out that we're all still free 20-30 years down the road...
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A majority of Mexicans think we done them wrong and they were cheated out of the Southwestern territories. So now they sneak across our borders to outspawn us.
This is their dream...
(http://www.mnforsustain.org/images/aztlan_aztlan_map_2080.gif)
aztlan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n#Use_by_the_Chicano_movement)
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I doubt they would stop at the NV/UT border if they were given what they wanted by the whinging crybabies in charge today. Maybe we need to send a couple heavy divisions down there again... they obviously didn't learn squat the last time.
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(http://i54.tinypic.com/xy6qd.jpg)
The current regime and congress gave Mexico's President a standing 'o for trashing the US in a speech.
... they obviously didn't learn squat the last time.
My guess is they learned all they need to know from our country's current "leadership".
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(http://i54.tinypic.com/xy6qd.jpg)
The current regime and congress gave Mexico's President a standing 'o for trashing the US in a speech.
My guess is they learned all they need to know from our country's current "leadership".
Welcome to CC, Janice, and you are totally correct in your guess!
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This is their dream...
(http://www.mnforsustain.org/images/aztlan_aztlan_map_2080.gif)
aztlan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n#Use_by_the_Chicano_movement)
That is truly a chilling map, and I can't believe our idiot government doesn't classify this group as a dangerous menace to our country.
Instead, they're busy selling this country down the river for some misguided principle of "tolerance".
My tolerance ends right where your ass intrudes into my business. And if the safety of my country isn't my business, and all of ours, what the hell good is it to call ourselves Americans?
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I doubt they would stop at the NV/UT border if they were given what they wanted by the whinging crybabies in charge today. Maybe we need to send a couple heavy divisions down there again... they obviously didn't learn squat the last time.
Hell, we can't even get the incompetents in DC to protect the border, let alone enforce the right of American citizens to enjoy the blessings of liberty and safety in their own homes. Instead, those ****ers file lawsuits against us. :argh:
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Instead, they're busy selling this country down the river for some misguided principle of "tolerance".
They are selling us down the river for future democrat voters.