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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on December 04, 2010, 09:39:46 PM
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Dec-04-10 09:02 PM
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I thought only wingnuts believed that simply saying something was so made it so.
You know, things like "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" and "Hussein trained the 9-11 terrorists".
None of that stuff was true, but they repeated it loudly and often and then just ASSUMED it that it was common knowledge. For many in this country, they made the nonsense true.
I see some of that same technique being used here.
President Obama is NOT "doing just fine."
He has some accomplishments, to be sure. We have stopped our economy, temporarily, from careening into the abyss and we have improved, temporarily, our image in the world.
But, the watered-down health care bill we got after letting the Republicans grandstand for months felt a lot better when I didn't know that our public option was sold for dross before the "negotiations" even started.
We DON'T HAVE a repeal of DADT, card check for union labor or an immigration bill. We are still pouring billions into the military-industrial coffers and we have prosecuted NONE of the Bush administration war criminals.
Within the last two days, I have learned that Mr. Obama joined with Republicans in heading off criminal charges being filed in Spain against six of Bush's boys AND I have listened to him signal that he will extend the Bush tax cuts for millionaires.
Things are NOT "going according to plan"---unless you are Karl Rove.
President Obama has NOT "done as well as could be expected"---unless you expected him not to lead.
The Republicans did not TAKE 60-plus House seats from us---we GAVE them to them by sheer ineptitude and lack of spine.
Politics, viewed long term, is NOT just about winning or losing. It is about fighting the right fights, and we have done precious little fighting for anything that we SAY we believe in. On healthcare, on DADT, on card check, on these tax cut extensions---we dithered and wrung our hands and pleaded for "bipartisanship" while punks like DeMint and Cantor and McConnell ate our lunch and drank our milk shake.
Finally, if simply stating where we are at and how we got here is now a criminal offense on DU, I hope there will always be enough evidence to convict me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9691701
This from the people who say that Bush is a war criminal and think by just saying it she should be frogmarched. :mental:
obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Dec-04-10 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
18. Or maybe
Obama has made health care more affordable for you. Obama has ended the war in Iraq!
I've been told those exact 2 statements by posters here on DU, neither of which is true.
It's not a technique used exclusively by either side of the Obama camp.
Hell Obama himself said that health care will now be cheaper. So your fellow primitives just repeated his lie.
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Obama has ended the war in Iraq!
Umm...no he didn't. The combat troops that withdrew a few months ago were part of an arrangement signed and agreed upon by President Bush.
Oh and DUmmies...those "advise and assist" brigades in Iraq...are nothing more than re-named COMBAT brigades.
Jokes on you :tongue:
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 09:02 PM
Original message
I thought only wingnuts believed that simply saying something was so made it so.
Like Tina Fey's Palin skit about "I can see Russia from my house", that DUmmies STILL repeat.
You know, things like "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" and "Hussein trained the 9-11 terrorists".
You know, things like "Where had Iraq hidden their weapons of mass destruction" and page 62, of the 9-11 Commission report that STATED Hussein was training Al-Qaedia terrorists"
None of that stuff was true, but they repeated it loudly and often and then just ASSUMED it that it was common knowledge. For many in this country, they made the nonsense true.
Correct. None of it was true. The LEFT kept repeating it, ad caesium
I see some of that same technique being used here.
Only "some"?
President Obama is NOT "doing just fine."
Only took you 2 years to figure that out, eh. You must be some kind of "super-genius". Or is that "stupor-genius"?
He has some accomplishments, to be sure. We have stopped our economy, temporarily, from careening into the abyss and we have improved, temporarily, our image in the world.
He has stopped our economy. As far as our image goes, the rest of the world is laughing their asses off at the horse's ass in the White House.
But, the watered-down health care bill we got after letting the Republicans grandstand for months felt a lot better when I didn't know that our public option was sold for dross before the "negotiations" even started.
Point to me one thing, just one, that Republicans got passed into HCR?
We DON'T HAVE a repeal of DADT, card check for union labor or an immigration bill.
DADT was a Klintoon policy. I haven't heard one word about that.
Card check in a right-to-work state will go over like a fart in a diving helmet.
We have an "immigration bill", and an "immigration law". Here's a novel idea: try "enforcing" the current ones.
We are still pouring billions into the military-industrial coffers and we have prosecuted NONE of the Bush administration war criminals.
Every time I hear or read "the military-industrial complex" or some such bullshit, I know that the person writing it has the IQ of navel lint.
Just what "war crimes" were committed by the BFEE? Name one, please.
Within the last two days, I have learned that Mr. Obama joined with Republicans in heading off criminal charges being filed in Spain against six of Bush's boys AND I have listened to him signal that he will extend the Bush tax cuts for millionaires.
Since the nimrod can't ramrod whatever he wants to thru Congress anymore, he now has to appease the House to get something done. That's called "checks and balances". I, for one, thinks the Bush tax RATES should continue, FOR EVERYONE.
Things are NOT "going according to plan"---unless you are Karl Rove.
ROVE, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!
President Obama has NOT "done as well as could be expected"---unless you expected him not to lead.
The Republicans did not TAKE 60-plus House seats from us---we GAVE them to them by sheer ineptitude and lack of spine.
Lord knows, it couldn't have been the bad policies and programs passed AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE that caused that.
Politics, viewed long term, is NOT just about winning or losing. It is about fighting the right fights, and we have done precious little fighting for anything that we SAY we believe in. On healthcare, on DADT, on card check, on these tax cut extensions---we dithered and wrung our hands and pleaded for "bipartisanship" while punks like DeMint and Cantor and McConnell ate our lunch and drank our milk shake.
You couldn't get shit done with a Democrat majority in both houses, in the case of the Senate, a filibuster proof majority. You didn't need "bipartisanship".
Finally, if simply stating where we are at and how we got here is now a criminal offense on DU, I hope there will always be enough evidence to convict me.
Posting while stupid is the MO at the DUmp. It doesn't need to be a criminal offense to do that, although I think stupid should be painful, if not fatal.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. I'm not saying it was as progressive as I would have made it. I'm simply pointing out that redistributing care from the rich and healthy to the poor and sick is progressive.
It is progressive and VERY anti-American as well. Oh, very European as well.
In other words, this poster isn't a DUmmie nor a liberal, but a communist. Of course the DUmmie would make it more "progressive".