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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on December 03, 2010, 09:37:26 AM
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dkf (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-03-10 10:24 AM
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Why isn't single payer offered up as a deficit reduction plan?
HCR obviously didn't do much for our long term situation or we wouldn't be so fixated on the need for austerity.
We need real solutions from Democrats and Obama needs to come to his senses on this. It's the one homerun policy we can do to make a big difference in our fiscal situation and it makes sense.
Doomed to an eearly demise. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9680214)
jtown1123 (171 posts) Fri Dec-03-10 10:28 AM
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2. Jan Schakowsky has it in her plan! Too bad noone listens to plans that don't give bjs to the rich
I'm glad Noone is listening.
MikeFoxtroters (5 posts) Fri Dec-03-10 10:32 AM
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3. How will it reduce the deficit?
I guess I'm not understanding how single payer will reduce the deficit? Wouldn't putting that much additional financial burden on the government increase the deficit unless it is coupled with a significant tax increase?
Thread killing , low count freeper troll.
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More POTATONOMICS from the smartest, most gifted and talented losers on the planet.
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Instead of the public option, libs should be pushing to have Medicare for all. They aren't even bright enough to know for what they should be lobbying.
But ultimately, it won't matter. Even Medicare for all runs into the same problem, in the long run, of increasing costs, which means either higher taxes, rationing of services, or both, until such point that the whole thing collapses. It's simply unsustainable.
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Instead of the public option, libs should be pushing to have Medicare for all. They aren't even bright enough to know for what they should be lobbying.
But ultimately, it won't matter. Even Medicare for all runs into the same problem, in the long run, of increasing costs, which means either higher taxes, rationing of services, or both, until such point that the whole thing collapses. It's simply unsustainable.
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The entire health care system in the US will implode. The HCR bill was more about saving the insurance industry with mandates as more people opted out and started paying cash and buying catastrophic only coverage.
If the country was serious about HCR instead of spending money on services currently they would be making capital investments in the form of more doctors, nurses, and facilities.
At the end of the day, it is supply and demand.
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dkf (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-03-10 10:24 AM
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Why isn't single payer offered up as a deficit reduction plan?
Because, as it turned out, Charley Rangle was the single payer of myth and he refused to pay.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-03-10 10:35 AM
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5. The tax increase would be less than the health insurance premiums we pay now. You would not be paying health insurance premiums under Single Payer.
More money in your pocket. Helps the economy.
Yeah, but you'd be waiting for a doctor's visit, no matter how sick you were. Your doctor's will not be as "knowledgeable" as the current well taught doctors. Money in our pocket does help the economy. But a gubberment Hellcare system would, in simple terms, suck.
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So far the democrats I mean democratics are telling us that Unemployment checks create jobs, food stamps create jobs, and now single payer health care will lower the deficit.
What's next, jumping in a swimming pool will dry you off if you get wet by the rain?
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So far the democrats I mean democratics are telling us that Unemployment checks create jobs, food stamps create jobs, and now single payer health care will lower the deficit.
What's next, jumping in a swimming pool will dry you off if you get wet by the rain?
The rich are the true parasites of the proletariat. Only the workers create wealth. Up is down and down is up, komrade.
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So far the democrats I mean democratics are telling us that Unemployment checks create jobs, food stamps create jobs, and now single payer health care will lower the deficit.
What's next, jumping in a swimming pool will dry you off if you get wet by the rain?
I love the logic of it all. So in order to create more jobs, more people have to get fired and go on unemployment. The more people who lose their jobs and end up on unemployment, the more jobs that will be created until everyone is on unemployment creating jobs that nobody is working.
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I love the logic of it all. So in order to create more jobs, more people have to get fired and go on unemployment. The more people who lose their jobs and end up on unemployment, the more jobs that will be created until everyone is on unemployment creating jobs that nobody is working.
Using their logic maybe I should go out and spend every dime from my paycheck and by tomorrow morning I should have more money, right?
:lmao:
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Using their logic maybe I should go out and spend every dime from my paycheck and by tomorrow morning I should have more money, right?
:lmao:
Depends on what you buy and the POMO operations of the Federal Reserve that day.
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Nazi Pelosi's logic is even better than the global warming con. You see for every ONE DOLLAR that goes out in UE TWO DOLLARS are created of economic activity. Yes, she actually said that. During the summer I think she said it was $1.59/$1.00.
Now this is where the shear brilliance of the botoxed senility comes in. If the feds tax $1.50 for every $1.00 in UE That still leaves $.50 for the economy, pays back the original $1 to UE, and gives the feds $.50. This is the mythical perpetual motion machine only in economics. Once the whole nation is unemployed (which the donks have been furiously working on for the last four years) we will have the most prosperous and enlightened society in the history of the universe. Also for every barrel of oil we DO NOT extract will put TWO barrels of oil into the market place.
Pelosi is a sooooooooooooppper Jeanyus.
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There is no doubt UE benefits stimulate the economy. The question however is how are you paying for them and is the way the government funds the extension doing more damage than the benefit of the economic stimulus.
Given that the only way to fund government operations has become to monetize the debt. We are playing a very dangerous game.
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The fallacy is that the government magically makes money...well money that is with the same as yesterday.
For every US buck a buck from somewhere else is taken or printed. All UE does is shift that buck.
Seriously, Ponzi is spinning in his grave and thinking of what a piker he was compared to a modern day corrupt totalitarian democrat leader. And don't think Herr Goebbels isn't green with envy too.
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The fallacy is that the government magically makes money...well money that is with the same as yesterday.
For every US buck a buck from somewhere else is taken or printed. All UE does is shift that buck.
Seriously, Ponzi is spinning in his grave and thinking of what a piker he was compared to a modern day corrupt totalitarian democrat leader. And don't think Herr Goebbels isn't green with envy too.
Let us not fool ourselves this has been a game that has been played since 1913 and the establishment of the Federal Reserve System.
In 1964, when a dime stopped being 1/10 an ounce of silver, a quarter stopped being a quarter of an ounce of silver, and a dollar stopped being a half ounce of silver (granted 90% content). The game was over for the people in the country.
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Let us not fool ourselves this has been a game that has been played since 1913 and the establishment of the Federal Reserve System.
In 1964, when a dime stopped being 1/10 an ounce of silver, a quarter stopped being a quarter of an ounce of silver, and a dollar stopped being a half ounce of silver (granted 90% content). The game was over for the people in the country.
No one will argue that this is all new.
For years a lot of conservatives have been saying we can't keep doing this.
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So far the democrats I mean democratics are telling us that Unemployment checks create jobs, food stamps create jobs, and now single payer health care will lower the deficit.
What's next, jumping in a swimming pool will dry you off if you get wet by the rain?
It's a mental disorder Freeper. They know not what they speak of.
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It's a mental disorder Freeper. They know not what they speak of.
They just hear Nancy making her insane claims and they see it as gospel truth. :mental:
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Idiots.
Being led by the idiot leaders.