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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on December 01, 2010, 07:05:24 PM
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Since no right winger can answer you at DU I figured I'd bring it here and let folks answer this for you.
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Simple questions for the RW
Can you tell me how many lives in the US were saved by the wars we are now in?
Is there a CBO estimate of how many people here would have died had we not went to war? Is there a general or generals out there who can lay out to the American people exactly the immediate threat to us - not just "well, X could maybe possibly someday might happen" but real numbers and real evidence that can be used to justify all the money and lives lost (on both sides)?
Spend X, Save Y - for the RW it is all about the money and where it goes and why. So we know where it went, was it a good investment?
Did more people in the US die because of the wars, from lack of spending to help fellow citizens here (whom some of you think are not worth saving)?
If your REAL goal was to save people here, why did you tell us that fellow US Citizens, your fellow Americans, are not worth anything because they cannot find a job after you made it easy for companies to send our jobs overseas?
YOU believed that companies would do the 'right thing' for your country, and when they stabbed us in the back for profit you attacked the very people who spent their lives working hard and at the same time blamed illegal immigrants for stealing jobs (news flash, most the jobs were not stolen, they were moved to near slave labor in other countries so that the few could increase their dividends - and among those few are foreigners in Saudi Arabia who invested in our companies and demanded lower costs so that they could make more).
More people here in the US have been harmed by your policies than by anything any other country has done to us.
All in the name of money. The root of all evil according to Jesus (you do remember that guy right? Or do you only invoke his name when it comes to certain issues?)
When Jesus spoke of the woman on the scarlet beast he was talking about the US. You don't believe in his words or ideals, you believe in how those words can increase your bottom line ahead of those that suffer most.
The anti-christ is not a person, it is an institution. One where people claim to be Christian while all the time they act in ways that are against it's very principles and ideals.
The golden calf is alive and well and being worshiped by you.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9668559
Here's a hint when you ask a simple question try to keep it under 1000 paragraphs. :-)
Well we created or saved at least a gazillion lives.
If Obama can make up numbers so can I. :lmao:
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Thanks to Bubba thinking Islamists were just pests to be ignored there were around 3000 lives we didn`t save.
That is a cold hard fact.
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I used Excel to extrapolate from known information, so this is as scientific a SWAG as you can get:
Month Year Death Toll
Feb 1993 6
June 1996 19
Aug 1998 12
Oct 2000 17
Sept 2001 2992
Mar 2004 2400
July 2006 2997
Dec 2008 3594
Feb 2010 4191
Sept 2012 4788
So, as you can see, if we hadn't gone to war against the Taliban in late 2001 and Iraq in 2003, we would have had five more major attacks totaling almost 18,000 Americans.
What is more, the data from which this has been generated was available no later than October 2001, and Excel has been around longer than that. It is the height of willful ignorance and hypocracy for anyone to be unaware of these mathematically provable facts.
/DU-like moral certitude
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When Jesus spoke of the woman on the scarlet beast he was talking about the US
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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A better question is this, how many lives were lost when we did nothing?
How many lives could've been saved if Communism wasn't allowed to flourish in the Soviet Union, China, and currently North Korea? to just name a few.
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A better question is this, how many lives were lost when we did nothing?
How many lives could've been saved if Communism wasn't allowed to flourish in the Soviet Union, China, and currently North Korea? to just name a few.
Ah, but that's not the question. As with most libs, SS doesn't really care about people anyway, so the fact that spreading democracy consistently saves lives is really immaterial.
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A better question is this, how many lives were lost when we did nothing?
How many lives could've been saved if Communism wasn't allowed to flourish in the Soviet Union, China, and currently North Korea? to just name a few.
There you go making sense again and asking logical questions. :-)
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Can you tell me how many lives in the US were saved by the wars we are now in?
Millions
Is there a CBO estimate of how many people here would have died had we not went to war? Is there a general or generals out there who can lay out to the American people exactly the immediate threat to us - not just "well, X could maybe possibly someday might happen" but real numbers and real evidence that can be used to justify all the money and lives lost (on both sides)?
More people died from violent crime in the U.S. than have died in Iraq and Afghanistan IRRC.
Spend X, Save Y - for the RW it is all about the money and where it goes and why. So we know where it went, was it a good investment?
If the last two years of The Liberals running the country are any example...no it hasn't been a good investment...hence the shellacking last month taken by your party.
Did more people in the US die because of the wars, from lack of spending to help fellow citizens here (whom some of you think are not worth saving)?
No. And I dare you to find a Conservative that...outside of a murder rapist or pedo that we think isn't worth saving.
If your REAL goal was to save people here, why did you tell us that fellow US Citizens, your fellow Americans, are not worth anything because they cannot find a job after you made it easy for companies to send our jobs overseas?
In reality WE didn't send any jobs overseas. Over reaching labor laws and out of control union expenses plus the threat of Obama care is what is sending jobs overseas. It wasn't Conservatives of the GOP that has forced jobs overseas nor made it easier for Companies to manufacture in China. That was Bill Clinton's doing when he made China a PERMANENT Most Favored Nation trading partner.
YOU believed that companies would do the 'right thing' for your country, and when they stabbed us in the back for profit you attacked the very people who spent their lives working hard and at the same time blamed illegal immigrants for stealing jobs (news flash, most the jobs were not stolen, they were moved to near slave labor in other countries so that the few could increase their dividends - and among those few are foreigners in Saudi Arabia who invested in our companies and demanded lower costs so that they could make more).
First off a companies first priority isn NOT to "the country" it's to the stock holders. People invest in a company...they expect a return on their investment. It's just that simple. ANd any CEO worth his MBA will do what he has to in order to keep the stock holders and investors with his/her company. And if that means moving to an area where labor costs are lower so as to continue to turn out a profit AND provide a good or service that consumers can afford...then so be it.
As for illegals. You no borders crowd are the reason we have this problem. Your Liberal Governors and Mayors who declare "sanctuary areas". A DHS Secreetary that refuses to puniosh businesses that who hire illegals and finally your Democrat Party elected officials who kiss the ass of the different "rights" groups that support these illegals and who see them as nothing but potential future voters who will hwlp keep them in D.C.
More people here in the US have been harmed by your policies than by anything any other country has done to us.
Name one policy that a Conservative/GOP elected member of congress has gotten enacted that has done more harm. And then provide a link that is NOT HuffPo...DU or KOS to back it up.
All in the name of money. The root of all evil according to Jesus (you do remember that guy right? Or do you only invoke his name when it comes to certain issues?)
It's no surprise that you have no clue about Jesus and his teaching given that you and the party you support do everything you can to quash the Christian religion in a country it was founded on. If that weren't the case then you morons wouldn't try to convince everyone that Jesus was a Socialist Liberal like you. Jesus also went to the temple and drove out the money changers...so going by your twisted way of reasoning I could say that Jesus was Conservative because he didn't approve of excessive taking of the people!
When Jesus spoke of the woman on the scarlet beast he was talking about the US. You don't believe in his words or ideals, you believe in how those words can increase your bottom line ahead of those that suffer most.
See my answer above. I might also add that it's a proven fact that Conservatives give more to charity on average than you Federal teat sucking Libtards. So bite me.
The anti-christ is not a person, it is an institution. One where people claim to be Christian while all the time they act in ways that are against it's very principles and ideals.
Again your lack of actualy Biblical knowledge is glaringly obvious.
The anti-Christ is real. It's just sad that you'll have to learn the hard way about that fact.
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I am not Christian but it just irritates the hell out me when non-believers invoke the Bible or Jesus' name.
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Dear DUmbass,
WW2 claimed 50 million lives because some asshole want to kill about 12 million people.
Was it worth the extra 38 million lives to stop him?
****-you, you ****ing *****. You should be sold because you cannot and will not do what you must to be free and aren't worth the blood of another mother's son.
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Dear DUmbass,
WW2 claimed 50 million lives because some asshole want to kill about 12 million people.
Was it worth the extra 38 million lives to stop him?
****-you, you ****ing *****. You should be sold because you cannot and will not do what you must to be free and aren't worth the blood of another mother's son.
Well put.
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All in the name of money. The root of all evil according to Jesus (you do remember that guy right? Or do you only invoke his name when it comes to certain issues?)
Actually, it's "For the love of money is the root of all evil," and it was Paul writing to Timothy, not Jesus.
But who am I to question DU's Bible scholarship?
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Actually, it's "For the love of money is the root of all evil," and it was Paul writing to Timothy, not Jesus.
But who am I to question DU's Bible scholarship?
They already rewrite history, why not go ahead and include the Bible into that spectrum?
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I agree with how irritating it is when they pretend to be Bible scholars. They think they're being soooo clever, and they're always wrong. I think they reach back way long ago when maybe their grandmother made them go to Sunday school for a couple times.
But anyway, why is he posting this at the DUmp? Why not post the question at Townhall or Pajamas? Even Moonbattery would let him post it, they have a daily open thread, and don't ban the Lefttard Trolls. Go ahead, TSS.
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Well we created or saved at least a gazillion lives.
If Obama can make up numbers so can I. :lmao:
H5s to you and Carl. I'm going to use that line, Freeper. There's a couple of moonbats where I work that need to hear this.
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Well, using the scientific techniques discovered and refined by Joe Biden, notable natural philosopher and expert on practically everything, it's safe to say the War on Terror "Saved or created 1.5 to 3 million lives."
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Dear DUmbass,
WW2 claimed 50 million lives because some asshole want to kill about 12 million people.
Was it worth the extra 38 million lives to stop him?
****-you, you ****ing *****. You should be sold because you cannot and will not do what you must to be free and aren't worth the blood of another mother's son.
Hi-5.
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Well, using the scientific techniques discovered and refined by Joe Biden, notable natural philosopher and expert on practically everything, it's safe to say the War on Terror "Saved or created 1.5 to 3 million lives."
:clap: :-)
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woman on the scarlet beast??? WTF??? Is this somethin else I've forgotten?
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woman on the scarlet beast??? WTF??? Is this somethin else I've forgotten?
The Whore of Babylon sitting atop the 10-horned beast. From the book of Revelation written by Saint John of Patmos (not Jesus, DUmmies).
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woman on the scarlet beast??? WTF??? Is this somethin else I've forgotten?
I think it's in the Marvel/DC comics edition of the Bible. You know the one where the X-Men are helped out by the Justice Leauge when Jesus comes back during the end times?
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I think it's in the Marvel/DC comics edition of the Bible. You know the one where the X-Men are helped out by the Justice Leauge when Jesus comes back during the end times?
I must have missed that one...
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The Straight Story
Simple questions for the RW
Can you tell me how many lives in the US were saved by the wars we are now in?
Is there a CBO estimate of how many people here would have died had we not went to war? Is there a general or generals out there who can lay out to the American people exactly the immediate threat to us - not just "well, X could maybe possibly someday might happen" but real numbers and real evidence that can be used to justify all the money and lives lost (on both sides)?
I find the desire for "real numbers and real evidence" to be funny coming from the same group that tries to tell us that if Dear Leader hadn't done this and that we'd be in a depession with 25% unemployment. Or better yet, that by "saving" a mythical X million jobs, he really created X million jobs.
Hey primitive, your questions were answered by others here, but ultimately your questions are simpleminded and are based in a false view of how the world really works. Until you train your mind (if you have one, which is questionable) to look at situations and events as they are instead of through the prism of liberalism, then you will continue to ask questions that are, in the big picture, irrelevant.
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Okay, I'll play your silly game. How many lives have been destroyed because of your phony war on poverty? How many families torn apart? How many single mothers whose babydaddy is the US Government? How many children grow up without a father who deeply loves his children and his wife and endeavors to make their lives better? Think of the cruelty of condemning generations to the horrid conditions your creation of a dependent class has caused. In tenements owned by people like Obama's main adviser, Valerie Jarrett, single mothers living on welfare are the norm.
How many generations of hopeless women and children are you responsible for? People who no longer have the desire to make their lives better, who couldn't even if they wanted to because they don't even know how anymore. Unlike the rest of us, they have no healthy examples to follow. They have no work ethic, don't even know what it is. Most don't even finish school because to them it doesn't matter. Besides, the schools are no better than the tenements they live in and children are pushed through without even learning how to read or do simple math.
How many young people have been lost to gangs and drugs? There are generations who think being rich is owning a pair of Nike's and a few gold chains. And so they join a gang and become drug dealers. How many have died because of street violence? How many children have been caught in the crossfire between rival gangs? How many have become drug addicts because their lives lack meaning and purpose and drugs are their only escape? How many women have become prostitutes to pay for their drug habit? How many children left alone for hours at a time because mommy's out getting high on crack?
How many children live in rat and cockroach infested apartments? How many have no heat and poor plumbing? How many live in apartments with peeling lead paint? How many children have serious health problems? How many die from diseases caused by their poor living conditions? These are conditions the Valerie Jarrett's of the world can't be bothered to fix because it would take some of those hundreds of thousands of government subsidies out of their pockets.
If you're honest with yourself you can trace this situation back to the "Great Society's" war on poverty. But being honest means you can no longer tell yourselves your good intentions make you compassionate. All you've done is enslave a whole segment of the population. It's not much different from slave owners. Only instead of being beaten by a cruel master you've created a situation where they've turned the violence on themselves. Shame on you!
Cindie
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Awesome post Cindie :clap:
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Awesome post Cindie :clap:
^^^^ What he said H5!
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All this from the party members that came up with "Saved or Created" jobs.
I have to laugh.
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Awesome post Cindie :clap:
I agree. Very well written. :II:
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Okay, I'll play your silly game. How many lives have been destroyed because of your phony war on poverty? How many families torn apart? How many single mothers whose babydaddy is the US Government? How many children grow up without a father who deeply loves his children and his wife and endeavors to make their lives better? Think of the cruelty of condemning generations to the horrid conditions your creation of a dependent class has caused. In tenements owned by people like Obama's main adviser, Valerie Jarrett, single mothers living on welfare are the norm.
How many generations of hopeless women and children are you responsible for? People who no longer have the desire to make their lives better, who couldn't even if they wanted to because they don't even know how anymore. Unlike the rest of us, they have no healthy examples to follow. They have no work ethic, don't even know what it is. Most don't even finish school because to them it doesn't matter. Besides, the schools are no better than the tenements they live in and children are pushed through without even learning how to read or do simple math.
How many young people have been lost to gangs and drugs? There are generations who think being rich is owning a pair of Nike's and a few gold chains. And so they join a gang and become drug dealers. How many have died because of street violence? How many children have been caught in the crossfire between rival gangs? How many have become drug addicts because their lives lack meaning and purpose and drugs are their only escape? How many women have become prostitutes to pay for their drug habit? How many children left alone for hours at a time because mommy's out getting high on crack?
How many children live in rat and cockroach infested apartments? How many have no heat and poor plumbing? How many live in apartments with peeling lead paint? How many children have serious health problems? How many die from diseases caused by their poor living conditions? These are conditions the Valerie Jarrett's of the world can't be bothered to fix because it would take some of those hundreds of thousands of government subsidies out of their pockets.
If you're honest with yourself you can trace this situation back to the "Great Society's" war on poverty. But being honest means you can no longer tell yourselves your good intentions make you compassionate. All you've done is enslave a whole segment of the population. It's not much different from slave owners. Only instead of being beaten by a cruel master you've created a situation where they've turned the violence on themselves. Shame on you!
Cindie
Wow. :clap: :bow: :clap: :bow: :clap: :bow:
A richly-deserved H5!