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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on November 29, 2010, 08:47:41 PM
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-29-10 03:31 PM
Original message
Poll question: "Cablegate": Do You Approve Or Disapprove Of Wikileaks' Release Of The Diplomatic Cables?
Edited on Mon Nov-29-10 03:42 PM by Turborama
After the 1st 24 hours of these 1st cables coming out and seeing the reactions to them, I thought it might be a good time to find out what DU's overall feeling is about them.
It would be interesting to read some thoughts on what makes anyone approve, disapprove or why they're still unsure, too.
Poll result (239 votes)
Approve (156 votes, 65%) Vote
Disapprove (71 votes, 30%) Vote
Still not sure (12 votes, 5%) Vote
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9650315
To be honest, the "no" and "not sure" votes are probably worried about damage to Obama, not the US.
Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-29-10 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
3. I dissapprove of the vast majority of them so far
Edited on Mon Nov-29-10 03:56 PM by Bodhi BloodWave
Main reasoning being that Wikileaks claims to be a 'whistle-blower' site and most of the recent diplomatic cables can't even come close to qualify under that status.
Yes there have been some cables revealing illegal activities which I applaud Wikileaks for releasing but if they had been serious about their claim of being whistle-blowers then they should have held back all those files and papers that are not relevant to revealing crimes, illegal activities and corruption.
And yes, I hope they DO get the book thrown at them for releasing so much data that is not relevant in regards to revealing illegal activities and such(since in my eyes they can't hide behind saying they are whistle blowers when it comes to revealing that classified info)
That DUmmie doesn't think the leaks hurt the US enough.
Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-29-10 06:01 PM
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55. Revealing any info that shouldn't be classified is whistle-blowing.
The U.S. is not supposed to keep state secrets. Classified information is limited to public safety and troop movements. Any government document that can be released without compromising these should never have been classified, and classifying them was in and of itself a crime worth blowing the whistle on. We have a right to know, even if some may see the details as less than significant.
Where are Obama's transcripts and birth certificate?
Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-29-10 03:58 PM
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5. Initially I was supportive, but now I'm not sure
Should all diplomatic cables be made public at all times? If not, Where do you draw the line?
The US government has engaged in so many nefarious activities the past decade and there is no longer any credibility.
The problem comes down the road when we really need some information to remain secret, but it will be out there for all to see.
Lines should be drawn in certain circumstances IMO.
When it damages a Rethuglican, it should be leaked, but not for a DemonRat, right?
NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-29-10 03:59 PM
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6. Sunlight is good regardless of what it exposes, or who it embarasses
Now if only there were some leaks about ObamaCare negotiations.
MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-29-10 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
45. Do you think it will help stability on the Korean peninsula for...
the DPRK to find out that China would accept its reunification under a Seoul government?
Wikileaks Cables Reveal China 'Ready to Abandon North Korea'
That little tidbit could just ramp up the paranoia and push North Korea over the edge into taking military action.
Most DUmmies don't want the Korea's reunited under the South leadership.
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If there is any chance that America and or Bush looks bad the DUmmies are all for it.
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Wikileaks is making Obama look like a moron who can't break his ideological logic loop and alienating world leaders far worse than anything Bush might do.
The DUmbasses will turn on Assange soon enough.
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This one did not require BadCat's program. :-)
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Interesting that Michael Savage had a different take on Wikileaks, he thinks it was designed to make Conservatives and Neo-Cons look bad because what's been leaked so far isn't harmful at all to the left.
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Interesting that Michael Savage had a different take on Wikileaks, he thinks it was designed to make Conservatives and Neo-Cons look bad because what's been leaked so far isn't harmful at all to the left.
Most of it pertained to stuff under President Bush, so far. Of course that is what the MSM will concentrate on.
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Who was it in the Obama administration that told Obama officials not to put anything in writing?
Now we know why...they were planning to release information damaging to us from the past administration.
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Interesting that Michael Savage had a different take on Wikileaks, he thinks it was designed to make Conservatives and Neo-Cons look bad because what's been leaked so far isn't harmful at all to the left.
Mr Savage strikes me as a bit "excitable" at times.
Anyway, here's this:
Obama’s June 2009 meeting with Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah ended with the monarch flying into a tirade and more or less telling the President to get a grip. This was the Riyadh meeting that Obama took on his way to his insulting and failed Cairo Speech, the better to prepare himself by visiting “the place where Islam began.†The sit-down was such a disaster that Dennis Ross was hurriedly brought into the White House and given a broader role, yielding the impression that the President wanted a Middle East adviser who kind of understood something about the Middle East – and didn’t think he had one.
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On the other side you had Middle East experts like Dan Diker, who insisted on One Jerusalem Radio’s Omri Ceren Show that the Saudis gave Obama a bruising lecture on what they actually care about, and it wasn’t the Palestinians. Under this theory King Abdullah expected to talk about militarily confronting Iran, and he couldn’t believe it when Obama kept reciting bromides about the earth-shattering importance of the Israeli/Arab conflict and his enthusiasm for solving it. That was a regular public topic between the two – Obama’s first talk with Abdullah focused on Gaza and the President later emphasized his abiding support for Saudi Arabia’s “Israel Has To Commit Suicide†plan – but the King kind of thought he was dealing with a serious person who could separate spectacle from policy. Instead he got the equivalent of an International Relations graduate student enamored with pseudo-sophisticated “insights†he’d gleaned from Arab media outlets. Ergo, meltdown.
He points to these leaked passages as proof:
10. (S) The King, Foreign Minister, Prince Muqrin, and Prince Nayif all agreed that the Kingdom needs to cooperate with the US on resisting and rolling back Iranian influence and subversion in Iraq. The King was particularly adamant on this point, and it was echoed by the senior princes as well. Al-Jubeir recalled the King’s frequent exhortations to the US to attack Iran and so put an end to its nuclear weapons program. “He told you to cut off the head of the snake,†he recalled to the Charge’, adding that working with the US to roll back Iranian influence in Iraq is a strategic priority for the King and his government.
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4.(C) IRAN: King Hamad pointed to Iran as the source of much of the trouble in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He argued forcefully for taking action to terminate their nuclear program, by whatever means necessary. “That program must be stopped,†he said. “The danger of letting it go on is greater than the danger of stopping it.†King Hamad added that in light of these regional developments, Bahrain was working to strengthen GCC coordination and its relations with allies and international organizations.
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And here all the libtards were telling us that when Obammy became pres__ent, the whole world would magically love us again.
Guess not. AGAIN.
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All weekend, I was thinking of the DUmmies' "Official Julian Assange Appreciation Thread" over there. Sickening. Who knows, though? Maybe Julian will leak an impeachable offense in the near future.
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When Wikileaks releases Obama's greatest state secrets, his BC and college grades, I will be impressed.
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...when Obammy became pres__ent...
Interestingly, the only thing missing is ID.
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Who was it in the Obama administration that told Obama officials not to put anything in writing?
It's actually sound advice in any organization that wants completely frank and candid internal communications which could prove embarassing or destructive to it if made public - social, religious, business, or government.
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Wow. 65% of the DUmmies "approve" of the wikileaks crap?! How disgusting. You anti-American goons you.
You're just as bad as the garbage that report the wikileaks