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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on November 24, 2010, 04:54:52 PM
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:05 PM
Original message
The TSA could have just used bomb-sniffing dogs.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 04:07 PM by backscatter712
They've been in use since forever, they're damned good at sniffing out even the tiniest traces of explosive material (or chemicals, or gunpowder from firearms), and while a dog might sniff your crotch, the use of dogs doesn't result in naked images of passengers or necessarily require groping.
It would be at least as effective as the porno-scanners, but far more acceptable to the public.
But then billions of dollars wouldn't be funneled to Rape-i-Scan and Skeletor...
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:13 PM
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6. And what about people with allergies to dogs or religious
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 04:14 PM by pnwmom
proscriptions against contact with dogs? (e.g., Muslims)
Also, highly trained dogs come with trainers and they're quite expensive.
Glassunion (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. What are those with religious proscriptions against the scanners and pat-downs? (e.g., Muslims)
Are dogs and handlers more expensive than the scanners?
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #8
18. Muslims don't have religious proscriptions against same-sex patdowns
24-hour a day coverage with trained dogs and handlers would be an ongoing expense that would end up being more expensive than a scanner (which wouldn't have to be purchased yearly.)
Yet CAIR has requested that their women pat themselves down. Hmmm.
sally cat (531 posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. You make a valid point when you say Muslims would not allow dogs to be used.
Muslims are against everything that might spoil their terrorist activities.
EarthFirster (23 posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:22 PM
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12. Why are they screening 3 year olds in the first place?
There have been no 3 year olds, no nuns, no 80 year old grandmas trying to blow up planes. This is absurd. It is psychotic.
Israel profilers are coming out and telling us how to do this properly. They live in the middle east with Islamic/Muslims who are doing ALL of the bombings, not sure why the mentally retarded nonsense of why this is legitimate to profile little 3 year olds seems to be the norm with so called liberal-democrats. This is another step toward Politically Correct Facism, and the cool-aid is being swathered down pretty hard.
Freeper Troll Alert.
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. The US is not Israel and there are terrorists who are not Islamic
or Muslim. Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh?
Racial and religious profiling wouldn't work in a diverse society like ours, and our Constitution isn't like Israel's.
That was some big plane that McVeigh used. :mental:
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. So? Terrorists learn from each other. Another U.S. terrorist
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 04:42 PM by pnwmom
-- or just a psycho looking for attention -- might have copied the 9/11 attack, if we hadn't made it more difficult to do so.
In fact, there was someone who flew a small plane into a building in Dallas several years ago.
It was a private plane with no screening by a Bush hating lefty. Let's kill all the lefties, problem solved.
jberryhill (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
26. Because relevant case law under the 4th Amendment says:
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 05:33 PM by jberryhill
That if you are going to conduct a suspicionless search for administrative purposes, then you cannot target the search.
An individually targeted search requires probable cause. A random suspicionless search is allowed under the 4th Amendment, as long as it is neutrally applied on a statistical basis or to everyone.
It's why they can't just pull over teenagers and old white farts at sobriety checkpoints - same line of cases.
If you cared about the Constitution, you'd know this.
DUmmies don't know and don't care about the Constitution. However, the TSA bends over backwards to look like they aren't targeting Muslims by letting them slide through.
HuckleB (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:54 PM
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24. I'm not so sure dogs are that good at smelling out much.
A decade ago, a dog supposedly smelled "drugs" on me and four other passengers coming back to the US from Europe. Funny thing. None of us had anything on us, and we all went on our way. I've watched since, and I've seen the same scenario play out time and again.
Dogs can detect the traces left, smaller than what a human could see.
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:54 PM
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24. I'm not so sure dogs are that good at smelling out much.
A decade ago, a dog supposedly smelled "drugs" on me and four other passengers coming back to the US from Europe. Funny thing. None of us had anything on us, and we all went on our way. I've watched since, and I've seen the same scenario play out time and again.
Well the mythbusters tried like hell to confuse drug sniffin dogs they failed every time.
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Well the mythbusters tried like hell to confuse drug sniffin dogs they failed every time.
The police drug dog pointed out my son at school the other day. They were going to let him go when they discovered I smoked but then they searched him anyway.....nothing.
The little ass was on the trail out in New Mexico this summer when one of the scouts had a bad home sickness spell. The scout asked him how he was dealing with being away from home so well. He said he dug into a zip lock plastic bag with his spare dry jacket in it and told him "Smell this". The kid said it smelled like cigarette smoke to him. My son told him, "Smells like home to me."... :rotf:....the little ass.... :-)
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Sometimes the stupid is so strong, I'm left speechless.
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sally cat (531 posts) Wed Nov-24-10 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. You make a valid point when you say Muslims would not allow dogs to be used.
I'm sick and tired of bending over backwards to "accomodate" these throwbacks with using their religion to look down upon us. The reason the searches are so evasive is because of the throwbacks to begin with!
They can go get the "pat down" line then. Game over.