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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: txradioguy on November 23, 2010, 04:59:35 AM
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SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korea fired artillery barrages onto a South Korean island near their disputed border Tuesday, setting buildings alight and prompting South Korea to return fire and scramble fighter jets. At least one South Korean marine was killed and 13 wounded, the military said.
The firing came amid South Korean military drills in the area. North Korea's military had sent a message to South Korea's armed forces early Tuesday to demand that the drills stop, but the South continued them, said an official at South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff.
During the drills, South Korean marines on the island shot artillery toward southern waters, away from North Korea, the official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of military rules.
The skirmish also came amid high tension over North Korea's claim that it has a new uranium enrichment facility and just six weeks after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il unveiled his youngest son Kim Jong Un as his heir apparent.
The artillery barrages struck the small South Korean-held island of Yeonpyeong, which houses military installations and a small civilian population in an area that has been the focus of two previous deadly battles between the Koreas.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/23/skorea-nkorea-fires-artillery-island/
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I wonder if my Aunt know about this yet. She's in Virginia now, but she's a South Korean native. Figures that MSNBC.com is trying to report this as S. Korea fired first...according to Pyongyang. I don't buy that. N. Korea is going to put themselves in a world of hurt if they continue their erratic behavior.
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The headline on Drudge is (in this format):
IT BEGINS
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Dear Dog help us.
Barry will be headed to the golf course by 0830 to prove he's in charge.
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Just heard this on 7am news.
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I wonder when the Magic Negro will we get on the TV and say he is sorry to the North Koreans for not being nicer to them? :fuelfire: :hammer:
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The South Korean President is now saying that if the North continues its attacks, the noKo missile base is a target.
Naturally, the Japanese are watching intently.
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From what I have read on FNC's mainsite, the white house has blatantly condemned the attack. CONDEMNED IT, I SAY!!
Jesus, any stiffer punishment, and they'd all be sent to Gitmo!
Bunch of spineless ooafs. :whatever:
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From what I have read on FNC's mainsite, the white house has blatantly condemned the attack. CONDEMNED IT, I SAY!!
Jesus, any stiffer punishment, and they'd all be sent to Gitmo!
Bunch of spineless ooafs. :whatever:
I'd be scrambling fast-attack boats out of Pearl as fast as I could. Tomahawk-armed, all.
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Now S. Korea is vowing to retaliate if the North does anything like this again. Part of me thinks they will, but my other half is saying this was just a dong showing. ala "See how big our dick is?"
North Korea pulled a Brett Favre.
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Another outburst from Little Kim. He probably let Junior give the salvo orders.
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From what I have read on FNC's mainsite, the white house has blatantly condemned the attack. CONDEMNED IT, I SAY!!
Jesus, any stiffer punishment, and they'd all be sent to Gitmo!
Bunch of spineless ooafs. :whatever:
. . . and they are monitoring the situation. :whatever:
weakness is provocative.
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UNREAL.... I just woke up. What does the rest of the forum think is going to happen? Is the N just saber rattling? With the WH under these traitors, you know China will get involved. What say you all?
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UNREAL.... I just woke up. What does the rest of the forum think is going to happen? Is the N just saber rattling? With the WH under these traitors, you know China will get involved. What say you all?
I saw this administration will do just exactly what it's done so far when NoKo has killed South Korean citizens.
Nothing.
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we did nothing about the nuke tests. we did nothing about lobbing intermediate range ballistic missiles at japan. we did nothing when they sank a south korean naval vessel. we have done nothing to make them think that there is a penalty for this sort of outrage.
we will convene an emergency meeting of the security council, and pass some meaningless resolution or other.
NK is gradually upping the ante. I would imagine that at some point, an small incursion at the DMZ will happen. we won't do anything about that, either. and then a larger one. and then a larger one.
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I know this WH is going to do nothing.
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This does not surprise me, nor does the lack of response from the WH.
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Strike two. I think the next thing they pull, the ROKs are going to pull out the stops and spank them hard, probably without asking the Oministration if they mind first, since nothing productive seems to be coming of involving our political leaders in the situation.
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Rumor – Kim Jung Il Dead – Can Explain North Korean Attack
http://www.forexcrunch.com/rumor-kim-jung-il-died-can-explain-north-korean-attack/
Gerry Davies reports that there’s a rumor about the death of North Korean leader Kim Jung Il. This could explain why North Korea attacked South Korea with shells, killing a few people. Kim Jung Il’s heir, Kim Jong-un, might want to show that the North is still strong and that there’s a new guy in town by initiating this severe border clash.
This could also come on the background of a new uranium enrichment facility discovered in North Korea. The South Korean political elite is hiding in underground bunkers. The Korean central bank held an emergency meeting after the attack.
Note that this is only a rumor and that it hasn’t been confirmed. At the time of writing, the North Koreans haven’t commented on the incident, while all the world is talking about it, and there are already calls from Washington, Beijing and Moskow to defuse the situation. A full scale war is definitely unwanted, especially with North Korea’s nuclear arms.
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Yesterday Charles Krauthammer suggested giving SoKo nukes. Did he know something? http://www.therightscoop.com/krauthammer-its-time-to-arm-s-korea-with-nukes
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Strike two. I think the next thing they pull, the ROKs are going to pull out the stops and spank them hard, probably without asking the Oministration if they mind first, since nothing productive seems to be coming of involving our political leaders in the situation.
Israel wouldn't mind following that sort of lead, either.
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W.H. seeks China�s backing on Korea
China shares the White House’s view that North Korea’s attack on a South Korean island is “very undesirable,†Stephen Bosworth, the special envoy to North Korea, said Tuesday.
Bosworth met with Chinese officials at the foreign ministry on Tuesday and “expressed to them the desire that restraint be exercised on all sides, and I think we agree on that,†he told reporters in Beijing. “We both share the view that such conflict is very undesirable.â€
Bosworth said he has no plans “at this point†to go to North Kor
What a bunch of :censored:
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Those North Koreans are nuts. They are asking for trouble. :mental: :bird: :argh:
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I say this every time the north koreans do something stupid, or the chinese or russians do something to threaten the best interests of our national security; we should advocate the full-blown militarization japan, nukes and everything. and we should offer to pay for it.
it doesn't have to happen, and the japanese themselves don't even really have to be in favor of it. just talking about it would give the russians and chinese something to think about the next time they want to frustrate our national security interests. and they would give the north koreans up like the drunkest dude at a frat party bust.
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Another outburst from Little Kim. He probably let Junior give the salvo orders.
Yes. I think it's a sort of "passing the torch" gift from daddy nut job to son nut job.
I'm with the others about theirs being strike 2. North Korea is playing with fire.
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Yes. I think it's a sort of "passing the torch" gift from daddy nut job to son nut job.
I'm with the others about theirs being strike 2. North Korea is playing with fire.
North Korea is probably doing this because they know America won't stand up for South Korea under the current administration. They are laughing at us.
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Joe Biden had said that Obama would be tested by foreign leaders. What he didn't say is that Obama would fail every test.
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Joe Biden had said that Obama would be tested by foreign leaders. What he didn't say is that Obama would fail every test.
Even with a cheat sheet.
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and the dangers just keep multiplying. the whack job president of iran is watching the north koreans get away with sinking other nation's naval vessels, and lobbing artillery shells foreign countries. these are overt acts of aggression.
and don't think that he isn't taking notes.
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Cue Madeline Albright with a basketball!
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oh, FFS
U.S. condemns N.Korean shelling, shows restraint
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States condemned North Korea's artillery attack on a South Korean island on Tuesday but said it was too soon to discuss ways the U.S. military might deter the reclusive state from another strike.
More (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM48720101123)
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North Korea is probably doing this because they know America won't stand up for South Korea under the current administration. They are laughing at us.
As well as a numbers of other Countries as well. Unfortunately. We have a limp-wristed imposter in the White House.
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:waisis:
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:lmao:
Roonry....he's so roonry....
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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schumer is such a retard. the trade argument isn't going to sway the chinese; we owe them a trillion dollars (that we gave to labor unions and other co-owners of the dem party, but that's a different conversation) plus, and growing.
Schumer: U.S. needs to pressure China to intervene
QUEENSBURY -- The United States should pressure China to intervene in a military clash between North Korea and South Korea, U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said Tuesday morning at a stop in Queensbury.
"The Chinese could shut down the North Korean operation. But as usual, China doesn't help us at all," Schumer said Tuesday at a visit to the Hannaford supermarket in Queensbury.
Schumer said the U.S. could use its trade relations as leverage to pressure China to intervene.
"We ought to say to China, ‘You've got a lot of advantages by trading with us and working with us. You'd better step up to the plate and put the heat on the North Koreans,'" he said, during a press conference about regional and national issues.
Schumer, responding to a question from a reporter, said there "is a real danger" in North Korea or Iran having nuclear weapons.
More (http://poststar.com/news/local/article_7a93b704-f72b-11df-b2d3-001cc4c002e0.html)
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oh, FFS
America should allow South Korea to fight back.
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Screw what the Commie & Chief would allow. If I governed S. Korea, I'd give the order to dismantle. I have personal feelings, because I have family from S. Korea.
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Screw what the Commie & Chief would allow. If I governed S. Korea, I'd give the order to dismantle. I have personal feelings, because I have family from S. Korea.
Amen to that!
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You guys are so bad.
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Apparently, according to Fox News & Megyn Kelly, N Korea has turned this into a full blown shooting war. US State Dept spokesman says, " North Korea has been very, very bad"..... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :mental:
WE, Japan won't accept "special weapons". Hell, they barely allow our ships in there.
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I'd be scrambling fast-attack boats out of Pearl as fast as I could. Tomahawk-armed, all.
Why? You've got the boats out of Guam and those attached to 7th Fleet.
Personally, I'm curious as to where the GW battle group is right now and what orders they have.
Oh, and hate to say it, but SSN's are damned near useless off the Korean coast--water is WAY too shallow.
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Analysis - North Korea likely needed outside help for centrifuge
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101122/twl-uk-korea-north-nuclear-bd5ae06.html
North Korea probably needed external assistance to build a uranium enrichment site, which could offer it a second source of weapons-grade nuclear material, but from whom and where remains shrouded in mystery. Skip related content
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Nuclear experts believe North Korea might have secretly obtained components and material from several sources to help it set up a centrifuge facility at its main nuclear complex, which Washington has condemned as a provocative move by Pyongyang.
A U.S.-based think-tank, the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), had said in a report last month that North Korea had used China either directly or indirectly, as a transshipment point, to procure items for enrichment.
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N Korea Warns Of More Attacks After Clashes update 23 min ago.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20101123/twl-n-korea-warns-of-more-attacks-after-3fd0ae9.html
North Korea has warned it will continue to launch attacks if the South violates its disputed sea border and blamed Seoul for starting major clashes that killed two soldiers.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States condemned North Korea's artillery attack on a South Korean island on Tuesday but said it was too soon to discuss ways the U.S. military might deter the reclusive state from another strike.
Drop a nuke on Pyongyang. That'll send a message.
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WE, Japan won't accept "special weapons". Hell, they barely allow our ships in there.
they don't have to accept them. they just have to make the russians and the chinese think that are threatened enough by the north koreans that they are willing to accept them. presto! the game changes.
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they don't have to accept them. they just have to make the russians and the chinese think that are threatened enough by the north koreans that they are willing to accept them. presto! the game changes.
Trust me, having been on an SSN that did several upkeeps in Yoko, the word "nuclear" in any way, shape, or form is a big no-no. They'll let our nuke ships in there, but they're real picky about monitoring, etc.
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I guess we all think we have our personal experience, and we are all sure that it's right; I spent years in japan, years ago, and I believe the thought of a nuclear equipped north korean aggressor would change all manner of japanese thinking.
and, one more time, they don't have to actually become a nuclear power, they just have to make the russians and the chinese think that they are willing to become a nuclear power.
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of course. a "unified" response. "multilateralism", and all that. anything else would be uncivilized. (and effective).
so lets see how much a$$ we have to kiss to get the chinese to allow so much as a disapproving verb out of the useless UN security council. the united states is no longer the leader of the free world.
The United States urged restraint on Tuesday following a North Korean artillery attack on South Korea and vowed to forge a "measured and unified" response with major powers including China.
More (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM48720101123?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r3:c0.113402:b39762236:z0)
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There is a palce inside the northern side of the DMZ that is nothing but an empty city run by the North. They built it for propaganda reasons and not one person lives there. It would be a pity if something happened to it and their super humongus North Korean flag that sits there with no one watching over them.
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There is a palce inside the northern side of the DMZ that is nothing but an empty city run by the North. They built it for propaganda reasons and not one person lives there. It would be a pity if something happened to it and their super humongus North Korean flag that sits there with no one watching over them.
LOL! I know exactly the town you speak of.
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BBC is reporting now that 16 ROK Marines and three civilians were killed in the shelling.
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BBC is reporting now that 16 ROK Marines and three civilians were killed in the shelling.
Unleash the ROK Marines.....
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Unleash the ROK Marines.....
I'd rather do that than what the U.N. is proposing...
U.N. Secretary General Eyes New Aid, Better PR Campaign, for North Korea
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/24/secretary-general-eyes-new-aid-north-korea/
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I'd rather do that than what the U.N. is proposing...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/24/secretary-general-eyes-new-aid-north-korea/
Son of a bitch. More aid of any kind sends completely the wrong message, it's the frickin' Sudetenland all over again.
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of course, if george bush had done this, candidate obama would have decried it as the "failed policy of saber-rattling", and assured us all that if only he was in the white house, kim il-whack job would abandon his nuclear ambitions and sing kumbaya.
U.S. to Send Carrier for Joint Exercises Off Korea
WASHINGTON — President Obama and South Korea’s president agreed Tuesday night to hold joint military exercises as a first response to North Korea’s deadly shelling of a South Korean military installation, as both countries struggled for the second time this year to keep a North Korean provocation from escalating into war.
The exercise will include sending the aircraft carrier George Washington and a number of accompanying ships into the region, both to deter further attacks by the North and to signal to China that unless it reins in its unruly ally it will see an even larger American presence in the vicinity.
The decision came after Mr. Obama attended the end of an emergency session in the White House Situation Room and then emerged to call President Lee Myung-bak of South Korea to express American solidarity and talk about a coordinated response.
But as a former national security official who dealt frequently with North Korea in the Bush administration, Victor Cha, said just a few hours before the attack began, North Korea is “the land of lousy options.â€
More (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/world/asia/24nkorea.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print)
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The exercise will include sending the aircraft carrier George Washington and a number of accompanying ships into the region, both to deter further attacks by the North and to signal to China that unless it reins in its unruly ally it will see an even larger American presence in the vicinity.
Big deal. Obama may as well put a fleet of paper mache ships there. It's unlikely he'll use force unless US troops are attacked, and maybe not even then.
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Big deal. Obama may as well put a fleet of paper mache ships there. It's unlikely he'll use force unless US troops are attacked, and maybe not even then.
Exactly. They'll have to go someplace else in a couple of weeks, then a month or two down the road, the Norks will pull some other provocative bullshit and laugh at Obama because he won't be able to bring himself to authorize anything in cold blood. I'm not betting the ROKs will stay their hand and wait to see what we want to do next time, though.
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Mullen: North Korean Attack Tied to Leadership Succession
Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in an interview on "The View" that Kim is generating these kinds of high-profile and dangerous confrontations to coincide with the ascension of his 27-year-old son to power.
Mullen said the United States is working with its South Korean and Japanese allies and also looking to China to exert its influence. The State Department said Wednesday that the administration wants China to restrain the North from further provocative acts. Spokesman P.J. Crowley, calling China "pivotal," said U.S. diplomats sent the message to Chinese officials in Washington and Beijing that the country has to make clear to Pyongyang that its actions are not acceptable.
Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/24/mullen-north-korean-attack-tied-leadership-succession/)
The View?
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Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/24/mullen-north-korean-attack-tied-leadership-succession/)
The View?
Yeah, my thought exactly. Another brick in my "I'm not so sure about that Mullen guy" wall.
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Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/24/mullen-north-korean-attack-tied-leadership-succession/)
The View?
No reasoning with North Korea. You can't reason with them.
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Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/24/mullen-north-korean-attack-tied-leadership-succession/)
The View?
I doubt that Adm Mullen has much say in the matter; the view is the preferred media outlet of the obamites.
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Yeah, my thought exactly. Another brick in my "I'm not so sure about that Mullen guy" wall.
I got enough of em to build the China wall three times
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Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/24/mullen-north-korean-attack-tied-leadership-succession/)
The View?
He's all about the repeal of DADT...it's only natural that the Harpies on The View would want him on there. :thatsright:
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1. US tries to make Dollar more competitive w/ the RMB via QE2.
2. China wants an artificially-low RMB.
3. North Korea, a vassal state of China, lobs some shells onto a South Korean island.
4. Investors flee to the safety of the Dollar.
5. Dollar moves higher on worldwide currency markets.
And we're back to square #1.
Is all this just a coincidence?
I hate to say it. But I'm becoming a protectionist.
The US is already at war with China. It is a war being fought in the currency markets and in the factories.
North Korea is just a midget stalking pony for China. Its leadership cannot take a piss without approval from Beijing.
These flare-ups will continue because they are win-win proposition for China.
North Korea will not trigger an all-out war, because that would not be in China's interest.
I've been to China quite a lot. IMO, it will lose a currency war. It will lose a trade war with the US.
It was rattled by QE2. First, it screamed bloody murder about the US debasing its currency.
The next week it pulled out all the stops and purchased huge amounts of US Treasuries.
Now...North Korea fires some artillery shells onto an island and the Dollar is up again on world currency markets.
American politicians are too spineless to fight the war the US is already in. China sees the US as a
cow to be milked and later, slaughtered. But in reality, it is a very weak government built on shifting sands.
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Mullen: North Korean Attack Tied to Leadership Succession
Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in an interview on "The View" that Kim is generating these kinds of high-profile and dangerous confrontations to coincide with the ascension of his 27-year-old son to power.
Doesn't anyone in this administration realize that it is in the best interest of the USA, South Korea, the surrounding area and mostly the n.Korean people themselves that we do everything in our power to screw up this succession?
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Doesn't anyone in this administration realize that it is in the best interest of the USA, South Korea, the surrounding area and mostly the n.Korean people themselves that we do everything in our power to screw up this succession?
I don't think the Ominsitration has much of any idea about the current heir, and even less of an idea about what would happen in the Nork power structure if it does get screwed up, so they are opting to just go hands-off on it. It's entirely possible the Norks will fall to internal fighting entirely on their own without any push from outside, if an ambitious general feels like taking over instead of just using the heir as a cat's-paw.