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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Thor on November 22, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
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As recently as 2008, the Commodity Credit Corporation (CCC), a wholly owned subsidiary of the USDA, reported that there was virtually no grain stores left in the US. Of the 24.1 million bushels in reserve, only 2.7 million bushels remained after the bulk of the grain stores were given for humanitarian relief. While some of the grain may have been used for humanitarian purposes, there is no evidence to support this contention. Furthermore, the use of the term humanitarian does not necessarily mean that the grain wasn’t sold, its just meant to condition public thinking into believing the grain was given away to hungry people. I would bet that wasn’t the case at all.
There has been no effort by USDA or CCC to re-establish our strategic grain reserves. The purpose of the CCC is to maintain a balanced supply of food commodities as a strategic backup in case of emergency and is charged with distributing those back up supplies to the population should they be needed. The strategic reserves which had been established as a result of the Great Depression were depleted in the 1980’s and USDA at that time announced it would not re-establish this back up and of course our current bio-tech pandering Ag secretary isn’t about to re-establish them either.
S.510 would insure the capture of the markets for corporations whose only interest is exporting whatever our land can produce to other nations, for commodities profit. Nothing will be held back for the US as “free trade†and export will be first and foremost. Instead of focusing on securing a back up supply for the US, the USDA continues to push for ever more exportation of our food supply. Now why would USDA and congress be promoting export over securing the food supply for the US?
This “free trade†thing is killing us economically. The cost of free trade needs to be measured not by whether or not a few selected individuals make a ton of money, but, by whether or not the economy is benefited by allowing it to continue. Free trade has morphed into rape and pillage, leaving economic destruction in its wake and we are about to be left in the dirt and wondering where our next meal is coming from as multi-national corporations line up to seize control of the worlds food supplies.
Along with this loss of strategic grain reserves, there is no butter, cheese, dry milk or any other food commodity stockpiled for the American people in the event the predicted food crisis occurs. Nearly one third of all corn crops are now diverted to ethanol production and are not grown for food; this while the coming food crisis begins.
It is our belief that this refusal by USDA and CCC to establish a food store for emergencies goes hand in hand with the intent of S.510, the fake food safety bill. This bill will effectively centralize food production not only geographically, but also in the marketplace by eliminating family and independent producers and centralizing food production in CAFO operations and other concentrated farming applications.
A note to readers: Just today, friends in Newnan Georgia reported that as they did their monthly buying of food, a routine they have had for more than twenty years, they were stopped at the check out and told that they had exceeded the allowed amount of various food staples. They were not allowed to purchase more than a few weeks worth of supplies.
It has begun. Marti
Source & More narrative (http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/usda-no-strategic-grain-reserves-they-sold-them/)
Butter has gone up almost a dollar a pound over the last year. Milk, however, has remained steady around here. Pretty much every other food stuff has gone up in price. We really have to watch for sales and take advantage of them. If this story rings true, then we are in for a world of hurt!!
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Where do you find this shit?
And why?
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Where do you find this shit?
And why?
You need Mr. Bunny to listen to Thor, and while you are doing that look at the laws passed against farmers that plant NON Engineered crops that can replicate themselves.
Farmers can no longer save seed crop to plant the next year, they are forced to BUY new seeds from some company that makes sure the seeds are not going to reproduce . The penalty for having spore from natural seed blowing onto a field of Engineered crops are huge.
I don't know where Thor finds this shit, I found a mountain of information by clicking on an ad for safe seeds.
Stored correctally food seeds can last , well some have been found in the Egyptian graves for thousands of years. And they sprout today. Far Seeres now sell containment systems that can be hidden or buried for years.
I hate to say it Mr. Bunny but as much as Thor and I go round and round, I find it wise to listen to him.
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MSB, a couple of things:
an easy way to control the masses is to control the food sources. Monsanto has a heavy hand in SB 510, along with some other commercial seed producers. They want to control the seed source. There's also other legislation built in SB 510 that is even more controlling on other stuff. Imagine, having to have your own personal garden inspected by USDA inspectors. Imagine that supplements are tightly controlled.
Secondly, by giving away our strategic grain reserves and other food stuffs, if WE have a problem here in the USA, there are no "back ups", so to say. We could easily find ourselves not being able to afford to feed ourselves. You know, the old supply & demand thing. If I were wealthy, this wouldn't concern me, however, I'm not.
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There's nothing like hungar to motivate or control people.
Read up on Stalins use of it in Russia.
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Thor,
Sir,
Esteemed colleague,
I'm not buying the Newnan Georgia story.
* Senate Bill 510 is just that: a senate bill. It isn't law. No retailer is going to pre-emptively enforce rationing laws
* We would be hearing about rationing in a lot more places than Newnan GA
* Who the **** would ration except the retailer, which makes it a business decision, not a government control scheme
* The only way the retailer would ration would be if there was a government agent standing in the store or he had to report. So show me the agent/reporting mechanism.
* Rationing food only counts if the ENTIRE FUGGING NATION is being rationed; not isolated podunks in the middle of BFE.
* It's a frakking, unsourced blog
* Vesta is backing your play with all the evidence she found clicking on ads for safe food seeds
:banghead:
Just because Stalin and others have used food rationing in the past doesn't mean that is what is happening in the US here and now no more than Operation: North Wood proves Bush perpetrated 9/11.
Can we please save the hysterics for the REAL shit that's happening?
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I ran across this yesterday but darn if I remember where or why. Seems like there are more than a few people on both the left and right who are concerned about the issue. I have to admit I like a good garden although last year I was other occupied so we did not have one. This year I expect that to change back. Fresh tomatoes are more than worth the effort. Any how I am short on time so I will just post a bit of he article, run off but will check back later.
http://www.naturalnews.com/030418_Food_Safety_Modernization_Act_seeds.html
NaturalNews) Senate Bill 510, the Food Safety Modernization Act, has been called "the most dangerous bill in the history of the United States of America." It would grant the U.S. government new authority over the public's right to grow, trade and transport any foods. This would give Big brother the power to regulate the tomato plants in your backyard. It would grant them the power to arrest and imprison people selling cucumbers at farmer's markets. It would criminalize the transporting of organic produce if you don't comply with the authoritarian rules of the federal government.
The new watch word? Keep yer hands off my cucumber {sorry couldn't resist a parting shot}
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There is a lot of hype and panic about s.510, I found a forum thread with some intelligent background discussion and very recent update on it here: http://www.homegrown.org/forum/topics/illegal-to-grow-your-own-food (http://www.homegrown.org/forum/topics/illegal-to-grow-your-own-food).
Yet another thing you would have thought Congress wouldn't be doing due to more pressing concerns, like tax rates or the Federal budget. Supposedly the final bill will cut out small local farmers, however the final shape of it when the Senate does get to it (Assuming that happens), or after a subesequent conference report to reconcile it with its House counterpart, is uncertain.
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A note to readers: Just today, friends in Newnan Georgia reported that as they did their monthly buying of food, a routine they have had for more than twenty years, they were stopped at the check out and told that they had exceeded the allowed amount of various food staples. They were not allowed to purchase more than a few weeks worth of supplies.
It has begun. Marti
And so it begins.
Dangerous times my friends. Dangerous times indeed.
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And so it begins.
Dangerous times my friends. Dangerous times indeed.
Nothing has begun. The story is so improbable on the merits of logistics alone that it is laughable.
I refer you to my bullet points above.
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Nothing has begun. The story is so improbable on the merits of logistics alone that it is laughable.
I refer you to my bullet points above.
All in due time MSB.
It may not be right away, but we'll be there. Sounds sort of like a conspiracy theory, doesn't it? What about;
A note to readers: Just today, friends in Newnan Georgia reported that as they did their monthly buying of food, a routine they have had for more than twenty years, they were stopped at the check out and told that they had exceeded the allowed amount of various food staples. They were not allowed to purchase more than a few weeks worth of supplies.
It has begun. Marti
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What about;
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That's the part I'm throwing the bullshit flag on with my bullet points.
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IMO, it wouldn't hurt to practice what the Mormons do, having a stockpile of staples that would last up to a year. One never knows.....
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IMO, it wouldn't hurt to practice what the Mormons do, having a stockpile of staples that would last up to a year. One never knows.....
Being prepared is always a good idea.
Spreading half-assed martyr fantasies?
Not so much.
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Being prepared is always a good idea.
Spreading half-assed martyr fantasies?
Not so much.
martyr fantasies?!?!?!? WTFO ?!?!?!?!? :mental: I might buy, "hype" or something like that.
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There's nothing like hungar to motivate or control people.
Read up on Stalins use of it in Russia.
Yes, Josef Stalin's government control of the food supply allowed him to starve to death anyone who resisted him. Millions of Ukrainians were starved to crush Ukrainian dissent.
Government control of the food supply is never a good thing.
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martyr fantasies?!?!?!? WTFO ?!?!?!?!? :mental: I might buy, "hype" or something like that.
When people look for monsters where there are none yet swear they've seen a monster it is because they WANT the monsters to be there regardless of what is actually happening. They do it so they can pass themselves off as the brave fighter-of-monsters, probably to be overwhelmed in his noble crusade.
Hence the term "martyr's fantasies."
It's no better than the OMG-Bush-is-reading-our-sext-messages-and-will-lock-us-all-in-FEMA-camps bullshit the DUmbasses were peddling for 8 years.
Obama is a statist jackass and his statism is born of narcissistic arrogance (blessedly that same narcissistic arrogance makes him wholly incompetent).
But he hasn't started rationing food. Yet, the article explicitly says it has begun.
The article doesn't rise to the level of hype. Hype implies an underlying truth that has been exaggerated. This is just plain bullshit.