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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 16, 2010, 07:05:15 AM
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Fortunately for the president it is a short bus.
Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 06:36 PM
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Paul Krugman: President Obama is not prepared to deal with the world as he finds it. Updated at 4:35 AM
The World as He Finds It
By PAUL KRUGMAN
November 14, 2010
Blah-blah-blah-BLAH-blah-BLAH-blah...
This is thrown in just for fun:
fasttense (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 12:32 PM
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70. Carter was a perfectly good President until Ronnie Raygun bribed the Iranian terrorists.
In fact, people made fun of Ronnie Raygun because of his silly star-wars ideas (hence the nickname). He was seriously down in the polls and would have lost except for the hostage situation in Iran.
Up until then, everyone thought Carter was just fine and dandy - mostly. This thing about Carter being a bad leader didn't start until Ronnie Raygun started slinging the mud and playing footsies with the Iranian Terrorists.
Don't buy the Spin, fight the propaganda, don't be hypnotized by the chattering of idiots.
Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 05:07 AM
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55. Jimmy Carter was much, much tougher
Carter made no bones about where he stood. He had the policies, he just didn't have the charisma or charm of Obama. Now if we could merge the two...
"Inflation is our friend."
"The country is in a malaise."
Tough, tough words to live by and nothing like the pusillanimous, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 06:47 PM
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2. Obama is ready for the Hail Mary pass.
So, why doesn't he appoint Krugman to a cabinet position?
Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 06:50 PM
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4. K&Rugman. Once again he nails it.
"...he defined America’s problem as one of process, not substance — we were in trouble not because we had been governed by people with the wrong ideas, but because partisan divisions and politics as usual had prevented men and women of good will from coming together to solve our problems."
And that is because he still clings to those wrong ideas himself. For 30 years we have been forced to subsidize them as they bleed this nation dry, and he sees no problem with that.
You want the government to stop feeding money into any system that does not merit self-sustaining profitability?
Then why have government run anything that can be acquired in a free market place?
UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 06:56 PM
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11. Utter bullcrap. He was more prepared than almost any President in decades.
I can't believe Krugman would say this - or that so many DUers would agree.
Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 07:01 PM
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14. Prepared for what?
Do you think the OP is about his resume? It isn't.
:whatever:
Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 05:11 AM
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56. He had ZERO executive experience
And I'm not just talking top level exec experience. Aside from being a candidate always running for office.
whoops!
theoldman (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 06:58 PM
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13. I think Krugman is correct on this one.
I plan to mail a copy of the web site to my friends. Perhaps we all need to re-evaluate ourselves to see if we make the same mistakes that Obama has made. I prefer to man up like SOS Clinton and have people's respect.
Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 07:19 PM
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20. the headline makes the President seem delusional.....during the
campaign he was treated like a savior...maybe he fell for his own hype...
Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 07:25 PM
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25. No WE were the Delusional ones. Obama just allowed us to project OUR DESIRED MOTIVES onto him
IT is not as if HE said "If elected I will end DADT in my first year or anything,
Nor did he say he would veto any health care bill that did not contain a robust single payer plan.
onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-15-10 11:05 PM
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37. so what do WE do now?
if the end is here and there's not a thing that is going to happen to benefit the average American citizen that's working two part time jobs if they're lucky, or holding on to what they barely have while robbing peter to pay paul to keep the lights on and the insurance paid while putting 3.00 a gallon gas in their cars to take their kids to underfunded public schools where they aren't taught science and math enough to keep up with the rest of the world.
Gauddddammmmmit, what about us. Aside from Alan Grayson, Dennis Kucinich, and who, is going to make this country work for the rest of us that don't have retirement plans or drive mercedes benz automobiles?
I mean, hell,two years ago I was ready for CHANGE, I was tired of WAR, I was tired of treading water and slowly sinking as everything increased in price around me. I wonder where the idea that we all voted for ended.
Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 12:03 AM
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40. Organize and not sit around and wait for the Democratic Party to do something. Updated at 4:35 AM
That's the only way we have ever won big and progressive changes here or for that matter anywhere in the world.
Organize and fight for your rights.
Like the Tea Party!
Selatius (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 07:48 AM
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61. You vote again for Obama in 2012.
He may be incompetent, even catastrophically incompetent, at cutting deals with Congress, but he can't possibly be any worse than Sarah Palin or another George W. Bush clone. This is what we've come to, electing the lesser of two bad scenarios.
It's called subsidizing failure.
Subsidies always gain more of what they pay for.
somone (270 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 12:12 AM
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41. Defect or Feature? There's something wrong with Obama's vehicle
It can only signal right turns, and it can only make right turns. WTF.
politicalmajority (62 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 01:48 AM
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44. I'd Rather See Obama Submit His Resignation Today Than See Him Lose in 2012.
Howard Dean for President in 2012!
BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-16-10 12:26 PM
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69. Sadly, this is the case for me as well.
More and more, I think this is the only reasonable course of action if he doesn't want to see the Democrats get wiped out in '12. Of course, we're not dealing with a reasonable person here, so I have little hope this could happen.
Anybody But Obama in 2012!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9563055
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My, my.
All the little DUmmies have their panties in a bunch, don't they.
Hopey/Changey didn't work out the way they hoped, nor the way it was sold.
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My, my.
All the little DUmmies have their panties in a bunch, don't they.
Hopey/Changey didn't work out the way they hoped, nor the way it was sold.
Gauddddammmmmit, what about us. Aside from Alan Grayson, Dennis Kucinich, and who, is going to make this country work for the rest of us that don't have retirement plans or drive mercedes benz automobiles?
And there it is. Obama was supposed to make y'all work harder and give up more to support the DUmmies.
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fat tense (1000+ posts) Don't buy the Spin, fight the propaganda, don't be hypnotized by the chattering of idiots.
Right with ya there on the first two. As for the third, I just can't help it. I'm mesmerized by the yammering of the DUmp.
Hawkowl he just didn't have the charisma or charm of Obama. Now if we could merge the two...
Obama has as much charisma and charm as getting a root canal in a third world country.
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Is the DU aware that Paul Krugman on Sun. admitted on Amanpour's show that they'll have to be death panels to deal with increasing costs of healthcare?
Some years down the pike, we're going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sales taxes. It's going to be that we're actually going to take Medicare under control, and we're going to have to get some additional revenue, probably from a VAT. But it's not going to happen now."
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Oh wait, Krugman took it back about death panels, he was just being "provocative" ::)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9559370
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Oh wait, Krugman took it back about death panels, he was just being "provocative" ::)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9559370
We're just taking you to the showers.......honest.
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This country needs Krugman in the Cabinet screwing with the economy like it needs Osama bin Laden as SECDEF. I can't imagine a quicker, Progressively-orthodox way to plunge us back into a second shot at Great Depression #2.
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Obama has basically ****ed with the core economic principles that make for an environment where growth can actually occur
1) Stable currency. By reappointing Ben Bernake and threatening the rest of the world with a beggar thy neighbor bullshit approach to economics, the two have put the world on the brink of economic collapse. No stable currency means of exchange only enriches people that make their livings sitting in front of Bloomberg terminals gambling on the instability. You create stability you have less ways to profit from gambling and you can return the gambler to betting on Redskins vs. Eagles. You also tilt the economy in favor of the banking industry instead of the industry that actually produces things people need.
The reason the rest of the world does business in $ is because we have a track record. Wreck that track record and the dollar collapses as the world seeks something else that is more stable. Whether it is gold or another currency, people will make a flight to something they feel has a stable value.
2) Stable legal environment. When you ignore what happened at Lehman, AIG, Fannie and Freddie, Bear Stearns, Countrywide etc you encourage their behavior to continue. There is obvious cases of financial fraud at those institutions and there needs to be perp walks and orange jumpsuits. When you allow dishonest players to profit from being dishonest, you push the honest players out of the system or force the honest to become dishonest to survive. When you fail to enforce the law, there is no law.
The GM bailout and AIG bailout while they tout GM is doing well (more accounting gimmicks) is the worst case because the government circumvented the legal enacted process to unwind institutions that default on their debt.
3) Government debt. The entire debate about the Bush tax cuts is ridiculous. You can extend them, but rational players know that debt will have to be paid. You get the debt under control. You cannot have growth with large government debt because people investing in your economy know that the debt will either be paid by increased taxation or through monetization of the debt. Both ensure that your economy will fail in the future. This will cause capital flight to more stable environments.
The reason we recovered from the 1980s recession and the Savings and Loan debacle is because the government didn't go in and try to make everyone whole. Volcker contained the mess in the 1980s recession and was willing to take short term pain in order to right the ship.
For the S&L scandal they had laws on how to deal with the situation and where there was evidence that people violated the laws, the people went to jail.
There has not been one prosecution for the biggest financial fraud in American History and the players were bailed out in an argument we needed to save the world and stabilize. The players destabilized the world, destabilization is not a bad thing. It allows the people who destabilized to be removed from power and the ship to right itself.
These are things, I think even a Liberal and a Conservative should be able to agree with, because it is part of the foundation of the country.
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Jake,you are forever jumping back to 2000 as the sole cause of economic woes.
I am not an economist in any shape or form but ignoring the Community Reinvestment act,the problems at Fannie and Freddie,the "stimulis" that was borrowed money for public employee union payoffs doesn`t lend creadibility to your case.
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No stable currency means of exchange only enriches people that make their livings sitting in front of Bloomberg terminals gambling on the instability.
Calling George Soros. The fact that the democrats are in bed with this monster should result in perp walks and orange jumpsuits. Possibly a gallows.
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Calling George Soros. The fact that the democrats are in bed with this monster should result in perp walks and orange jumpsuits. Possibly a gallows.
Thank You! I was just going to ask Jake if he thinks Soros has played a part in any of this, and I still can't find out if Soros made or lost money during the economic collapse in 2008, and I'd like to know why Republicans never bring Soros up?
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-16-10 05:07 AM
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55. Jimmy Carter was much, much tougher Carter made no bones about where he stood. He had the policies, he just didn't have the charisma or charm of Obama. Now if we could merge the two...
Sure, then you'll have your equivalent of an American Fidel Castro. Why is it the DUmmies LOVE the worse presidents this Country has seen? :mental:
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Every time someone proposes something that would truly help like privatizing part of social security, MUCH LESS costly market-driven solutions to improve health INSURANCE (getting care is not the problem) the left flies into vicious panic mode. This is a center right country. The majority of Americans consider themselves conservative. Last poll I saw only 20% consider them liberal.
Carter lost because he was an incompetent boob who spent more time lecturing the American people than governing. But these people actually thing Reagan bribed a bunch of Imams? Even were that true had Carter been competent no bribe could've kept him from growing a pair and taking care of business. Well, maybe his greatest warrior was still in Cambodia or something so he couldn't consider a more aggressive solution.
Oh, and criticizing Obama is racist!
Cindie
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My, my.
All the little DUmmies have their panties in a bunch, don't they.
Hopey/Changey didn't work out the way they hoped, nor the way it was sold.
They are absolutely terrified that they are going to have to actually WORK for something instead of having it handed to them on a platter like they were promised.
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They are absolutely terrified that they are going to have to actually WORK for something instead of having it handed to them on a platter like they were promised.
And pay more taxes on top it all.
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They are absolutely terrified that they are going to have to actually WORK for something instead of having it handed to them on a platter like they were promised.
Not only that, Tx, but they're terrified that we will be their bosses!