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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: seabelle on November 14, 2010, 06:17:43 PM
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Oh my, did I find a nest of cast off's from the island?
http://www.oldelmtree.com/index.php?board=78.0
So many lonely people, not enough time :p
Memorial - Names of DU's Fallen Liberals
« on: August 20, 2010, 12:01:34 PM »
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Starting a thread naming liberals and progressives banned from DU by the DLC hordes:
Lerkfish
Daveparts
Oregone
Feel free to add more...
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Yep.
It's a haven of discontents and malcontents.
My mole was invited to join because "I" was unhappy with the tones at DU.
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DLC???!!!???!!
There was a purge of any and all Duchebags that did not support Obama. Those were the semi-sane so called DLCers.
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Well that makes two spin off's of the DUmp for people that fel it isn't Communist enough and that Skinner is secretly a Conservative.
The other is Deomcratic Warrior
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OET is basically the site all the people from Skinner's purges go.
Skinner is DLC. Most of Barack Obama's policies are DLC as the DLC is the fund raising arm of the democratic party and it is where policies are developed to make democratic donors happy.
Mostly people who would like to see the wars end, think the HCR bill was a bad idea and a joke, and think the economic policies are failures.
Albeit for probably different reasons than this site.
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DLC= Clintonites who still like corporate money.
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DLC= Clintonites who still like corporate money.
That would be accurate.
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OET folks are crazy and stupid, but overall they're harmless.
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Of course, I'm speaking from the outside looking in, but I could never figure out the DLC controversy.
I know nothing of internal Democrat politics, but from what I see, the DLC consists of professional Democrats who view things in the long term and try to devise strategies for winning elections.
Which is not a bad thing.
Of course, we have at the moment the "establishment" professional Republicans feuding with the Tea Party, but as a professional Republican myself, this doesn't bother me, because inevitably the Republican party must be taken over by the Tea Party movement. I'm amenable to that, especially since absorption would change the Tea Party movement in good ways too.
But that's a horse of another color.
But the DLC, while I don't care for their politics, I find an admirable organization; Democrats who care about their party.
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Of course, I'm speaking from the outside looking in, but I could never figure out the DLC controversy.
I know nothing of internal Democrat politics, but from what I see, the DLC consists of professional Democrats who view things in the long term and try to devise strategies for winning elections.
Which is not a bad thing.
Of course, we have at the moment the "establishment" professional Republicans feuding with the Tea Party, but as a professional Republican myself, this doesn't bother me, because inevitably the Republican party must be taken over by the Tea Party movement. I'm amenable to that, especially since absorption would change the Tea Party movement in good ways too.
But that's a horse of another color.
But the DLC, while I don't care for their politics, I find an admirable organization; Democrats who care about their party.
They are viewed internally as people who are in the party to use it as a tool to gain access to private wealth selling their votes to make a large amount of money.
Harold Ford, Bill Clinton, Rahm Emmanuel.
Essentially they are viewed as people within the party that take bribes to sell government contracts or create friendly policies that are amenable to their sponsors. Generally speaking when they leave office, they are suddenly lobbyist or advisers in industries they never had any experience in.
For example Rahm made 16 million dollars in 2 year on the Board of Fannie and Freddie and at an Investment Banking firm. Nothing in his previous experience as a communications director and campaign person showed that he had any experience in banking.
Essentially they are viewed as corrupt.
Imagine if a President Romeny appointed Palin to a GSE when she had no experience with the GSE and the reaction the other side would have.
We honestly don't know why you guys spend so much time talking about Acorn or the Unions, when Acorn and the Unions don't bring in a tenth of the financing that the DLC people do to a campaign.
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Well but, sir, this is another example of one of my theories about "perception;" that all things, every thing, is multi-faceted, different sides, like a diamond or something.
I'm aware of that more-sordid side of the DLC as you outlined, but I concentrate on another side of the DLC; the side that shows professional Democrats truly interested in the long-term existence of the party, and in winning elections.
And as of late, they've been admirably successful.
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Well but, sir, this is another example of one of my theories about "perception;" that all things, every thing, is multi-faceted, different sides, like a diamond or something.
I'm aware of that more-sordid side of the DLC as you outlined, but I concentrate on another side of the DLC; the side that shows professional Democrats truly interested in the long-term existence of the party, and in winning elections.
And as of late, they've been admirably successful.
Actually they are generally a complete disaster.
What was wining was when Howard Dean was putting you on offensive by building local party organizations with actual a say in their own candidates for local office.
Remember, Rahm is DLC in chief at the House and in the White House.
What they did in 2009-2010 was quite confusing. They ditched the local party structure in favor of the OFA structure which was loyal to only Barack Obama and during the municipal elections where you build candidates locally to run for higher offices (the proverbial minor league in politics) they sent out people carrying around petitions in blind canvasses for HCR.
In the 2009 election it backfired majorly.
In 2010, they sent out their usual professionals from DC to run all the congressional races and got their asses handed to them except in areas which have machine operations.
I can give you a contrast to the GOP model. Generally speaking, your campaign managers for congress and the Senate are local boys who understand the state, the history, the institutions etc. Therefore you have campaign managers that don't make stupid cultural mistakes.
The DLC paratroops kids in from DC into districts they never lived in and they think are "backward." Generally on messaging in the races he candidates get killed because they have a person who isn't from the area running the campaign so the person doesn't take the candidate out to the areas they need to go to and sends out mailings that pisses off the locals.
You also take the political campaign people and pay them to stay on the ground when the person goes to Washington running a seperate political office to their constituent office to ensure the goodwill of the elected officials.
DLC run campaigns are heavily focused on mailings and advertising and are extremely weak on having the candidate going out and meeting with the public.
If a DLC campaign manager has a choice between an hour on the phone raising money with the candidate and an hour out talking to people in the district, they put the candidate on the phone to raise money.
Dean ran campaigns in 2006 opposite to the DLC model, and him and Rahm had huge fights over with it.
Also the Dean portion of the campaign will set up a democratic party in Montana and fund a party operation out there in hopes to win local elections and improve the party's name. A DLC operation is only responsible for the biannual congressional races.
Generally DLC operations are focused on traditional democratic strongholds. I think the reason why Dean had a different approach was because he was from a more rural state and understood the importance more of the retail side.
Frankly the GOP could make gains in the Urban centers if they were willing to make the investments into them. I think Rudy showed that for you guys a while ago. I'm surprised more attempts haven't been made in other areas.
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Points well-expressed, and well-taken, sir.
There's some stuff there I never thought about, and so quite obviously I'm going to have to do some rethinking.
I guess I never considered "local involvement" a big deal, simply because I'm used to it and take it for granted; it's always done, and it's always been done, around here.
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It suddenly occurred to me how far removed franksolich is, from reality.
Oooops.
Our colleague from Allentown mentioned the mass-mailings, the advertisements, those sorts of things.
Until he wrote his excellent analysis above, I had always considered such things "irrelevant."
Because in my own life, they are; surely in early 21st-century America, there can be few people including franksolich, so utterly unaffected by, uninfluenced by, predominant and popular culture (television, radio, movies, the "mainstream" news media, what other people are saying).
Whoa. Sometimes I need a kick in the head to remind me I'm out of the loop when evaluating things.
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Points well-expressed, and well-taken, sir.
There's some stuff there I never thought about, and so quite obviously I'm going to have to do some rethinking.
I guess I never considered "local involvement" a big deal, simply because I'm used to it and take it for granted; it's always done, and it's always been done, around here.
You guys sometimes forget, even though I told you. I'm from a long established Republican family in PA. I know how the Republican Party operates and I have family friends that include some former higher ups in the state party system in PA. I know how your operation works in my state, at the least and I'm assuming it is somewhat of a national model. My grandfather was one your chairmans on a county level and a mayor.
On my Mother's side one of her uncle's and my favorite great uncle, who was blind incidentally, was a party chairman in a heavy democratic area that is now Republican.
I turned my desk in 4th grade to George H.W. Bush headquarters and wore one of those stupid hats because of that guy.
I know you guys better than you think.
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Of course, I'm speaking from the outside looking in, but I could never figure out the DLC controversy.
Best I can tell, the self-appointed "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" view them as pulling the party to the right which, in fact, the DLC has kept the party at least close to where they used to be before the McGovern types hijacked it, and it's continual drift to the left ever since. As has been noted here many times, and of which you are aware, any drift of the party away from the Democratic-Socialism model utopia these fringe party members have envisioned is met with distain. Thus, the controversy.
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You guys sometimes forget, even though I told you. I'm from a long established Republican family in PA. I know how the Republican Party operates and I have family friends that include some former higher ups in the state party system in PA. I know how your operation works in my state, at the least and I'm assuming it is somewhat of a national model. My grandfather was one your chairmans on a county level and a mayor.
On my Mother's side one of her uncle's and my favorite great uncle, who was blind incidentally, was a party chairman in a heavy democratic area that is now Republican.
I turned my desk in 4th grade to George H.W. Bush headquarters and wore one of those stupid hats because of that guy.
I know you guys better than you think.
Up until now, there really *wasn't* much of a Republican Party in PA. The elections of Toomey and Corbett were a complete surprise.
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Up until now, there really *wasn't* much of a Republican Party in PA. The elections of Toomey and Corbett were a complete surprise.
You had the State Senate and were only a few members away from the State House before that.
On a statewide level, PA has switched political parties every 8 years.
I shook hands with John Heinz when I was a kid. In the 80s you had 2 GOP Senators and the only time the democrats had 2 were when Specter switched.