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Denninmi Donating Member (233 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 05:09 PM
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The Tea Party -- A Nazi Party in search of a Reichstag Fire?
I'm really having a hard time convincing myself that the sky is not falling with the election of Tea Party candidates to the U.S. Congress.
Opinions, please -- is the Tea Party a true fascist movement that ultimately seeks total control of society and to crush its political opposition and those it deems "unfit" through violent repression if given the opportunity?
To me, if feels like what I imagine Germany was like in 1932. And, I believe they are just looking for any excuse to ignore, supersede, or suspend both our laws and our society's morals and begin to act in an oppressive and violent manner. Once the genie is out of the bottle, I believe this will quickly spiral beyond the point of no return. That trigger event could be almost anything -- another 9/11 type terrorist attack, an assassination, civil unrest, whatever would make a good excuse.
One key reason I believe this is that, unlike fringe movements of the recent past, these people now have the legitimacy of election as well as the support of reasonably large numbers of society's elites, especially business elites like the Koch brothers.
I also believe that much of the Tea Party's supposed "inclusion" of certain minority members is just for show -- once in power, I believe that this movement will quickly "purge" those who do not fit the "ideal" which, IMO, is limited to white evangelicals.
Opinions, opinions, opinions. Even if you want to tell me this is the dumbest thing you've ever read and I better get myself to the shrink for some meds ASAP. I would like to know what people REALLY think about this. I see signs all over that leads me to feel that this is the path this country is following, signs such as the intense hatred of Muslims and immigrants.
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Drop the bong. :whatever:
Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 05:13 PM
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1. They are not a true fascist movement but they are easily....
manipulated. All they would need is a true fascist leader.
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True Fascism was against the classic liberalism that is the heart of the conservative movement. Fascists see themselves as a third way between Capitalism and Communism. Under Fascism, the government controls the economy with an iron fist and producers and property owners who do not act in the interest of the state are persecuted.
AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 06:04 PM
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4. It looks a lot like a fascist movement to me. They have leaders in the front of media
-Palin. Beck, Hannity and a large commuication channel (Fox). Taking advantage of a poor ecomomic environment with ant-government rhetoric.
They exhibit all the things that make up a fascist movement, nationalism, patriotism, fundamentalist religion, hate for minorities (black, any other race than white, gay people, even the disabled), any religion that is not Christian, and disdain for educated people ("intellectuals).
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Nikki Haley, Allen West and Marco Rubio. Enough said.
mindcough (9 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 06:15 PM
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8. 911 still scares the **** out of me
not because of oh noes, Muslim witches!, but because it truly shows what a corrupt govt is capable of doing in a time of panic. If anything I'd say Bush's regime was closer to Nazis than the TEA party will ever be. It takes some true Elites to pull off something like 911.
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alanquatermass (67 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 06:19 PM
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9. "Pull off 9/11..."?
This is only my third day at DU so forgive me for being a bit slow on the uptake... Are you suggesting that Bush and Cheney and Co. engineered the attacks on 9/11?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 06:29 PM
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10. Not necessarily, but it and the Reichstag fire were used
to justify policies. Get the nation in a panic and willing to have the Patriot Act. Remember it contained many provisions politically impossible before. Bushco didn't have to cause it for that. Once is happened, they used it diligently.
Though there is IIRR some information that Hitler may have caused the Reichstag fire. In order to have something to use. Out of which is born the idea 911 was something Bushco caused, because they used it to such advantage.
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MIHOP, LIPHOP, or did you smoke dope at IHOP?
riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 06:51 PM
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12. Oh boy....
I'll answer and hope you get to see my result because it will be moved or deleted asap. There's a sizeable contingent of DUers who believe that 9/11 was either a case of MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) or LIHOP (let it happen on purpose).
Both theories are verboten to be discussed on DU since it's considered a conspiracy theory.
But virtually everyone has a position either as a MIHOPper, or a LIHOPper.... Not too many here believe it was simply a random terrorist attack unforeseen and unknown before it happened.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 10:12 PM
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14. MIHOP. IBTL. nt
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alanquatermass (67 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 10:32 PM
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16. Holy crap! Well, if that's really true...
-- then that is maybe the scariest ****ing thing I've ever heard in my life. (And I thought the gov't killing JFK was bad!)
I am practically speechless here. Good thing my keypad is working (LOL!)
Okay, well, first of all...who engineered the attack? Dubya? That creepizoid Dick Cheney? Both of them? Were the explosives already in the towers? And who, exactly, was flying those airplanes?
And just as importantly (and please forgive my ignorance here, Storm): Why would Osama Bin Ladin claim responsibility for something carried out by the U.S?
Forget JFK, Oliver Stone needs to make a movie about 9/11. (Oh, that's right, he already did -- sort of -- but it was crappy, gov't approved propoganda)
This shit is WILD, homes!
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 10:26 PM
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15. I agree....
....the Tea Party is a group of well-funded right-wing thugs, created for and ultimately serving the extreme corporate interest....their appearance on the American political stage burst from nowhere, championed by the media corporations for the benefit of the united corporate political agenda....
....if they should ever come to power in a big way, death camps would not be out of the question....
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18. Yes, there is a fascist movement backed by big money
in the US right now. They do not accept election results when they lose. They will not try to govern but spend their time trying to destroy the other party. They use intimidation and eliminationist speech. They try to shut down free speech from others and sometimes are successful. I was thinking about it tonight when I learned my sister-in-law that works at a Women's Health Center said they received a bomb threat today and an arrest was made (the perpetrator got into the building and accessed the kitchen or break are refrigerator). They are classic fascists.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 10:51 PM
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19. Koch funded...but it is the GOPs/T-baggers ... and pushing violence
which gives a great connection to the Brown Shirts --
Just as we have had the GOPs/Christian Coalition --
GOP gave start up funding for it in the 1980's. Richard Scaife financed Dobson's
org -- and other wealthy right wingers financed Bauer's org.
And, GOPs/NRA -- this is an entirely different NRA than what used to exist -- ask
Michael Moore. And it was used to create an issue to target moderate and liberal
Democrats -- succeeded quite well.
After the death of Wm. Buckley/CIA we also found out that CIA had been funding right
wing politicians and their campaigns -- Sen. Strom Thurmond and Rep. Gerry Brown --
but there were others whose names haven't been revealed as yet.
Keep in mind the CIA took money from any right wing source -- including Nazis and KKK.
Jesse Helms got money from the CIA -- so did Pat buchanan.
GOP/"pro-lifers" -- I've heard that many of the demonstrators outside women's health
clinics were hired from Methadone clinics -- paid to demonstrate -- !!
The right wing can only rise via violence -- stolen elections -- and lies.
We've had more than 50+ years of in plein air right wing violence -- not only did it
knock out existing liberal leadership -- but it knocked out liberal leadership before
it got a chance to rise!
Presumably people are still sitting in front of their TV's waiting for the TV anchor
to let them know if anything is wrong!!!
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I also believe that much of the Tea Party's supposed "inclusion" of certain minority members is just for show -- once in power, I believe that this movement will quickly "purge" those who do not fit the "ideal" which, IMO, is limited to white evangelicals.
Well, I guess us white Jews are ****ed. Been nice knowing everybody...
Can I please get some decent accommodations in the camps at least?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 06:29 PM
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10. Not necessarily, but it and the Reichstag fire were used
to justify policies. Get the nation in a panic and willing to have the Patriot Act. Remember it contained many provisions politically impossible before. Bushco didn't have to cause it for that. Once is happened, they used it diligently.
Though there is IIRR some information that Hitler may have caused the Reichstag fire. In order to have something to use. Out of which is born the idea 911 was something Bushco caused, because they used it to such advantage.
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Who said "Never let a crisis go to waste" again?
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Who said "Never let a crisis go to waste" again?
Who also extended those "Reichstag policies" when he took office? :popcorn:
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Reichstag fire ? You mean like dem operatives vandalizing dem offices? You mean like blacks hanging nooses and then blaming whites? You mean like dem operatives going to conservative rallies and pretending to be racist conservatives? That last one doesn't take much acting, since the left are becoming renown as being the true racists.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-06-10 11:42 PM
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22. Unfortunately, "thinking they never will have power" isn't good enough.
I can hope for a unicorn that shits gold but that won't help either.
The Tea baggers have major media, major money, major celebrities and just scored some major electoral victories with shockingly bad ideas. Their "storm troopers" have stomped, hurled and heaved a fair number of civic minded Americans to the ground with impunity. Combine this with Citizens United and I'm really concerned.
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Now which party has made use of ACORN, SEIU? Which party did the Black Panthers intimidate people for???
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The Tea Party -- A Nazi Party in search of a Reichstag Fire?
You mean like Obama needs another OKC, DUmmies?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0Ixm21tn8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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Well, I guess us white Jews are ****ed. Been nice knowing everybody...
Can I please get some decent accommodations in the camps at least?
NO! ...and because you have already complained, your room will not have "porn" on the cable service and only lukewarm running water in the bath.
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Hey DUmmies, how'd that whole "Conservatives are NAZIS!!!111!!!!OMFG-I'm-SERIES!!!" schtick work our for you last week?
Yeah, I thought so.
:hammer:
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If the tea party can truly "arrange" election results (aka "steal elections"), can you please direct them to the People's Republic of Massachusetts?
Much obliged.
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You mean like Obama needs another OKC, DUmmies?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0Ixm21tn8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Honest to God, you just can't make this stuff up. Pissy-Chrissy didn't even blink at that either (and he hated Clinton).
Obama can't speak to Americans without TOTUS, so he isn't connecting with anyone anytime soon.
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That's what stuns me about the whole thing...the dismissiveness of the left when they say these kinds of things--NAY, the SUPPORT these statements get when questioned.
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NO! ...and because you have already complained, your room will not have "porn" on the cable service and only lukewarm running water in the bath.
Mother****er... :argh:
I knew I should have kept my mouth shut.
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I am pretty sure that the DUchebags do not know either the meaning of fascist or NAZI.
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You mean like Obama needs another OKC, DUmmies?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0Ixm21tn8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
I'm not so sure he really did strike a lasting chord with Oklahoma, except in the eyes of those who were already enthralled with him to the point of softballing all his interviews, like Dan Rather, Whore-aldo, and everyone at NBC. While everyone justly hated McVeigh, the fact the entire thing was indirectly brought about by Clinton and Reno policies resulting in the Waco massacre was not lost on people, especially after it was established pretty early on that there was no substantial continuing threat. The booming economy, between the dot-coms and the peace dividend, combined with a heavy dose of triangulation, were what made him popular, combined of course with his congenial-if-sociopathic facility for lying to anyone about anything.
In Obie's case, it's inevitable that the economy will cyclically recover to some degree in the next two years, despite his best efforts to f*ck it up worse. He'll benefit to some degree from that, but so will the GOP image since it will coincide with the power shift in Congress. The two effects will largely cancel each other out if economic recovery is lukewarm-to-modest, it would take runaway boom times over a year to 18 months of that for Obama to get a disproportionate benefit from it.
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For the lurkers:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,50934.msg565874.html#new
Educate yourselves before you start talking about NAZI's and Fascism.
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In Obie's case, it's inevitable that the economy will cyclically recover to some degree in the next two years, despite his best efforts to f*ck it up worse.
I heard today that, when told of the House Republican efforts to not fund Obamacare, that HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that they have enough money in the HHS budget to be able to continue implementation anyway. So, the economy will get worse.
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I heard today that, when told of the House Republican efforts to not fund Obamacare, that HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that they have enough money in the HHS budget to be able to continue implementation anyway. So, the economy will get worse.
I'll bet that would would steal money designated for other programs under HHS just to fund Obama's illegitimate baby.
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I'll bet that would would steal money designated for other programs under HHS just to fund Obama's illegitimate baby.
I believe that is what the implication is.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-10 10:26 PM
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15. I agree........the Tea Party is a group of well-funded right-wing thugs, created for and ultimately serving the extreme corporate interest....their appearance on the American political stage burst from nowhere, championed by the media corporations for the benefit of the united corporate political agenda........if they should ever come to power in a big way, death camps would not be out of the question....
Wow. There you have it folks. The DUmmies have it all figured out. The Tea Party people are "funded" by big corporations with their interest at heart and in creating death camps for all those that oppose. :???: ::)
Man, that is some strong stuff they got in their bongs. :fuelfire:
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I am pretty sure that the DUchebags do not know either the meaning of fascist or NAZI.
No. They do not even know what Nazi is an abbreviation of, or how the state controlled the people in Germany and Italy at the time. The fact that they would call a constitutionalist movement Fascist just shows that tossing the word around as an insult is even more worthless than playing the race card.
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Wow. There you have it folks. The DUmmies have it all figured out. The Tea Party people are "funded" by big corporations with their interest at heart and in creating death camps for all those that oppose. :???: ::)
Man, that is some strong stuff they got in their bongs. :fuelfire:
Well it IS important for corporations to kill off their customers....