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Politics_Guy25 (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 09:46 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x487184The Tea party movement rise is similar to that of the Nazi party in Germany in 1933
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 09:53 AM by Politics_Guy25
There are striking similarities between the Nazis and the tea party. Both arose out of economic discontent, both are racist to the core, both held extreme religious views, both had/have a famous voice appealing to their followers leading the charge-Palin is beloved by her narrow band of followers as Hitler was by his - and both preyed on people's fears in an attempt to gain power. Oh yeah, I forgot, both are/were fascists as well.
Oh yeah I forgot the nazis and the teasters advocate violent overthrow of the government-or did in the Nazi case-if they don't get their way. See that GOP candidate promising revolution last week if they don't take back power.
The Tea Party is the most direct assault on American democracy that we have seen in a long time. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of them.
Scary to the core. The good news is that Mccarthyism was defeated, and the pro-Nazi US movement in the 30s was defeated. The US always has managed to fight these forces off in its history. Thank god we have someone as charismatic as President Obama with President Clinton helping us campaign against them to take them on. Lest we forget that FDR had domestic wackos to fight off as well.
:banghead: so much stupidity in so little a post.
newspeak (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 10:05 AM
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4. yes, and the brownshirts were also in the minority
Hitler won with 33% of the vote. And, the rest of the population was apathetic, fearful or fighting. And, we also know what happened to some of those who fought against Hitler--White Rose Society.
newspeak (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 10:03 AM
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3. forgot most are against gays and abortion
Hitler outlawed abortion, as did Hirohito and we know what happened to the gay community-pink armbands anyone?
Don't forget Radical islam!
LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 10:52 AM
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8. Nazis held extreme religious views? Did they even hold religious views?
STFU you F***ING TROLL!!!
backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 03:33 PM
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21. Hitler was a Roman Catholic, and sent atheists to the camps at one point.
Despite Pope Maladict's protestations otherwise, Hitler was a Roman Catholic for his entire life, never renounced his faith, and talked about his faith in some of his speeches.
He also sent Cathlic Priests to the camps. Pretty much anyone who would go along with him went to the camps.
OlympicBrian (23 posts) Sun Oct-24-10 10:56 AM
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9. Tea Partiers are also AGAINST the Founding Fathers principles
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 11:00 AM by OlympicBrian
The Tea-Partiers are for less regulation. In addition, they are backed by corporate elite, including the Koch brothers. They are also pro- US Chamber of Commerce (Glenn Beck recently had a fundraiser for the Chamber). This means they stand for more offshoring, consistent with a main policy goal of the Chamber...
This is all AGAINST what the Founding Fathers stood for:
"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of our country."
- Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1816.
"Shall we make our own comforts, or go without them at the will of a foreign nation? He, therefore, who is now against domestic manufacture must be for reducing us either to dependence on that foreign nation, or to be clothed in skins and to live like wild beasts in dens and caverns. I am not one of these; experience has taught me that manufactures are now as necessary to our independence as to our comfort."
- Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Austin, 1816.
"The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain."
- Thomas Jefferson to Larkin Smith, 1809.
There is a major conflict here--the TPs claim they want to return to the values held by the Founding Fathers!
denem (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 03:02 PM
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19. No way. The Tea Party is a very AMERICAN phenomenon.
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 03:04 PM by denem
The rebel yell circa 1864 meets the Guided age. It's as simple as one step forward two steps back - Roll back the New Deal and the Square deal, bankrolled all the way. It's not pretty, but has a impressive American lineage. USA USA USA.
zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 05:24 PM
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26. The Tea Party is indeed a White, "Christian", Nationalist, Racist, Homophobic Movement
Anyone who says otherwise is either trying to hide the truth or is just plain stupid.
cliffordu (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 06:48 PM
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28. the problem for them is the millions of dudes just like me that would
kill them in the streets for trying anything like that.
pow pow pow
Lotta veterans and well trained civilians who won't stand for it.
GLBT RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
Clifford has a Vietnam Campaign ribbon as hi/her/it's avatar.
Politics_Guy25 (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 08:17 PM
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36. The tea party sent an army to Capitol Hill to harrass and intimidate HCR supporters
Remember that? Chasing Dem congresspeople down the halls screaming at them, hurling racist insults, threatening them for voting for HCR, physical altercations, i.e., brownshirt tactics. Even from this early hour of their movement, they are resorting to intimidation tactics that the nazis would approve of.
Keith Olbermann is my hero
Selective memory. I don't think you remember the left doing this?
Politics_Guy25 (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 08:02 PM
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35. Thanks for your defence of the tea party
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 08:24 PM by Politics_Guy25
Also, I did a thesis on World War II and have read numerous books on WW II in additon to watching the complete "World at war" series from the UK in additon to the "BBC history of World War II" in addition to watching numerous documentaries on TV about D-day, the rise of nazism etc. Send me a PM to test my knowledge of World War II if you don't believe me and then you can google my answers so you know that I didn't just cut and paste from somewhere. A Super Genius!
The tea party is less than a year old. The Nazis had an infancy as well. Their ideology is not at all dissimilar from National socialism, i.e., right wing fascism.
But yes I understand how discreditng the teasters may be uncomfortable to you. I understand that if they are discredited, that makes a GOP resurrection nearly impossible.
Also, in regards to your ignorance post, I understand that the memory of the holocaust and the nazi atrocities against the gypsies, disabled and jews including the gassing of millions of innocents must be preserved. Part of preserving and honoring those victims is by pointing out movements as they arise that are similarily evil BEFORE they attain the power that Nazi Germany had.
A warning from History to borrow a phrase. That does NOTHING to descerate the memories of Auschwitz, etc. Also, Auschwitz didn't open on the day that the Nazis formed their party.
I totally don't understand your reply to me at all honestly. BTW, listen dude, my grandfather nearly lost a leg in World War II so umm I do understand what it was all about and am not ignorant of it AT ALL.
Your elitism shines through in your response to me as well.
What a Stooge.
Towards the end they start to call him out. I'd say Troll.
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I type with one finger on the right hand...that makes me a right wing fascist, Nazi I guess.
Things to do this week:
1-shine boots
2-iron brown shirt
3-shave head
4-practice goose step
5-spy on neighbor
6-report DUmmie to Gestapo
7-break windows
8-burn something
9-boycott a business
10-make speech at democrat rally
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I type with one finger on the right hand...that makes me a right wing fascist, Nazi I guess.
Things to do this week:
1-shine boots
2-iron brown black shirt
3-shave head
4-practice goose step
5-spy on neighbor
6-report DUmmie to Gestapo
7-break windows
8-burn something
9-boycott a business
10-make speech at democrat rally
(we changed the shirt color- didn't you get the memo?).
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(we changed the shirt color- didn't you get the memo?).
Oh?....well that's good 'cause I burnt it while trying to iron it.
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This moron:
Politics_Guy25 (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 09:46 AM
http://www.democraticunde...amp;address=433x487184The Tea party movement rise is similar to that of the Nazi party in Germany in 1933
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 09:53 AM by Politics_Guy25
There are striking similarities between the Nazis and the tea party. Both arose out of economic discontent, both are racist to the core, both held extreme religious views, both had/have a famous voice appealing to their followers leading the charge-Palin is beloved by her narrow band of followers as Hitler was by his - and both preyed on people's fears in an attempt to gain power. Oh yeah, I forgot, both are/were fascists as well.
Oh yeah I forgot the nazis and the teasters advocate violent overthrow of the government-or did in the Nazi case-if they don't get their way. See that GOP candidate promising revolution last week if they don't take back power.
The Tea Party is the most direct assault on American democracy that we have seen in a long time. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of them.
Scary to the core. The good news is that Mccarthyism was defeated, and the pro-Nazi US movement in the 30s was defeated. The US always has managed to fight these forces off in its history. Thank god we have someone as charismatic as President Obama with President Clinton helping us campaign against them to take them on. Lest we forget that FDR had domestic wackos to fight off as well.
...has been smoking the same weed as this moron:
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20101023/capt.c330afe7303946ab8dbfb8700c78b74b-c330afe7303946ab8dbfb8700c78b74b-0.jpg?x=236&y=345&q=85&sig=xE.0BnQYKeT9dZq20k2jsA--)
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What an amazingly bizarre collection of spurious, made-up bullshit. Well, I guess the poor loon probably does know about as much interwar German history as he knows about TEA partiers, which is to say, virtually nothing in either case. He unwittingly is pretty close to a Hitlerian Big Lie himself here...but then, I'm pretty sure that about everything this one does could be labeled 'Unwittingly.'
It's not PC to talk about it, but one of the biggest reasons the Nazis were able to come to power is that the Germans saw the Reds and their trade unionist allies as even worse, and the Reds had indeed done their level best to be worse when they made their grab for power in Bavaria and elsewhere after the Abdication and Treaty. The Nazi militarization of society did not look that bad to the German voters since after all the only thing that had checked the murderous excesses of the Reds in 1919-1920 was the Freikorps, so a militarized and armed opposition to a Red resurgence did not shock them since the Reds were expected to do much worse if they got ever got the upper hand. It is unfortunately in the German cultural DNA to go hard over in one direction or the other instead of trying to work to a happy or at least functional medium.
It's also impossible to separate out the effects that being on the very-losing end of a four-year global war of attrition followed by intentionally-crushing war reparations, then a worldwide depression just as they worked through the war indemnity, must have had on them. But, you have to think those who survived all those storms must have looked at human life as pretty damn' cheap by 1933. Comparisons to interwar Germany by partisans of either side in our wealthy and supportive society are quite ridiculous.
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Yep, that there is pure f*cking genius. The party that wants a smaller, limited government and more personal freedom is sooooooooo NAZI.
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Yep, that there is pure f*cking genius. The party that wants a smaller, limited government and more personal freedom is sooooooooo NAZI.
DUmmies/liberals, living life ass backwards because of what the gubberment tells them. What a bunch of no mind zombies. :censored:
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I see the DUmmie OP got his talking points from Meathead on Bill Mahr last week. What a dumbass.
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Dumbass -
Will any of these people actually take a moment to look at Stormfront to see what real Nazis think of the TEA Party ?
Ill give you a hint DUmbasses, they disapprove...
The consensus there is the TEA Party is a Zionist, NeoCon conspiracy and should be derailed ASAP. They point to JOOOOOS !!11!! such as the Koch brothers as the source. Some of SF's Nazis have tried to leaflet events to spread their message, and have failed.
So Primitives, once again, you are pretty much on the same side of history as the Nazis. How does that taste ?
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Lurking DUmmies.
NAZI is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. National Socialist German Workers Party.
Just because the National Socialists were against the communists does not mean they were rightist. They were collectivist, darwinist and tribalist like their communist enemies. The difference between them is that the communists believed that everyone should be sacrificed for the 'greater good' while the Nazis believed the non-aryans should be sacrificed for 'the greater good.'
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craigmatic (774 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-24-10 05:28 PM
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15. Not Nazis they're closer to Mussolini's fascists. The only difference is the lack of unifiorms.
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Fascism also known as Corporatism, an indirect means of gaining control of the means of production, which makes it a cousin of Socialism. Which party is it that ruled for every American to purchase health insurance under penalty of being fined? Which party is taking control of the healthcare industry? I'll give you a hint: it starts with a D.
proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-25-10 12:42 AM
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32. They're No-Nothings.
They'll be gone in a few years.
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Those 'no-nothings' [sic: I think you meant 'know-nothings'] are about to kill your party's supermajority and cripple Lørd Zerø. Not bad for 'no-nothings.' The 'no-nothings' know that the supreme law of the land is the Constitution of the United States and not what the politicians deem it to be.
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And yet, on another thread there was this:
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 06:48 PM
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28. the problem for them is the millions of dudes just like me that would
kill them in the streets for trying anything like that.
pow pow pow
Lotta veterans and well trained civilians who won't stand for it.
GLBT RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
and:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-25-10 05:42 PM
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2. I DO believe they are traitors..
But I don't believe we should shoot them~some years behind bars would do! (many many many..)
And yet, we're the dangerous ones. I don't know anyone who has seriously called for their murder or internment. Granted, we've teased you LURKERS about it because you're all so ****ing paranoid (but what else to expect from a bunch of weak little pussies).
Clean your own ****ing house before you start talking about others. Oh, hey, and that's real compassion for you...you might try practicing it sometimes and not just spewing the words in as if you can make it a reality just because you say it all the time.
Cindie
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To The Lurking DUmmies:
Everytine one of you assleaks post like the OP at the start of this thread you not only show just how mind numbingly stupid you are but who the real threat to this country is. None of you have even seen a real Nazi let alone would go toe to toe with one. The comical attempts by you clowns to instill fear by saying you will take the streets and start some shit makes those of us with real military service laugh. 90% of you genetic **** ups are fake veterans and wouldn't know what to do in a real fight then you would anything else . On the odd chance that someday you do grow a spine and make a go for it, remember the pointy end of your gun points toward you.
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Hey OlympicBrain, you stupid, worthless, ignorant cow, NOT ONE of those Thomas Jefferson quotes are IN the actual CONSTITUTION. Nor was he the ONLY founder or even the one who actually WROTE the Constitution (that would be Gov. Morris who). Nor was he as influential in its writing as George Washington and James Madison...commonly referred to as the FATHER of the Constitution because his Federalist Papers were very influential in writing it. I could find quotes of Jefferson's that would show he absolutely believed in free enterprise, independence and LESS government interference instead of MORE. Context is important and you provided none. The rights of STATES not the feds...let me repeat that...the rights of the STATES were more important than the feds. The Bill of Rights was more important than either feds or states. To think otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding about the founding fathers and the Constitution. More telling about Jefferson's thoughts are the letters exchanged between he and John Adams in the latter years of their lives. Of course there is this:
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."
Thomas Jefferson
and this:
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
Thomas Jefferson
Oh, and then there's also this:
"I was in Europe when the Constitution was planned, and never saw it till after it was established. On receiving it, I wrote strongly to Mr. Madison, urging the want of provision for... an express reservation to the States of all rights not specifically granted to the Union." (emphasis mine)
Thomas Jefferson
And there we have it...quotes that refute your stuff...but just like yours (with the exception of the last one) it would be helpful to show context. But why, I'm just trying to prove my point and disprove yours. I don't need no stinkin' context.
Cindie
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To The Lurking DUmmies:
Everytine one of you assleaks post like the OP at the start of this thread you not only show just how mind numbingly stupid you are but who the real threat to this country is. None of you have even seen a real Nazi let alone would go toe to toe with one. The comical attempts by you clowns to instill fear by saying you will take the streets and start some shit makes those of us with real military service laugh. 90% of you genetic **** ups are fake veterans and wouldn't know what to do in a real fight then you would anything else . On the odd chance that someday you do grow a spine and make a go for it, remember the pointy end of your gun points toward you.
NO, the pointy end of their "guns" usually point at the ground.
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Hey DUmmies. I see your stupid pill is still making you say/think stupid.
In case you missed it, the NAZI Party was also called, The National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hmmmm,,.....socialist. Where have I heard that word before?! Oh yeah. Often associated with the imposter occupying the White Mosque.
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Lurking DUmmies.
NAZI is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. National Socialist German Workers Party.
Just because the National Socialists were against the communists does not mean they were rightist. They were collectivist, darwinist and tribalist like their communist enemies. The difference between them is that the communists believed that everyone should be sacrificed for the 'greater good' while the Nazis believed the non-aryans should be sacrificed for 'the greater good.'
Bingo--also consider that Jonah Goldberg makes a very good case in his book "Liberal Fascism" that the main difference between the Soviets and the Germans/Italians was NATIONAL socialism versus INTERNATIONAL socialism, and that Stalin (obviously quite successfully, to judge by the carping of the left to this day) basically tried to drive an ideological wedge or at least paint the Nazis as ideological opposites.
Which in reality, is quite different than the truth. Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, et al, ran in many of the same circles and looked up to many of the same mentors.
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 06:48 PM
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28. the problem for them is the millions of dudes just like me that would
kill them in the streets for trying anything like that.
pow pow pow
Lotta veterans and well trained civilians who won't stand for it.
GLBT RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
Tough talking basement dewlling asshat.
Bring it bitch.