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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: chitownchica on October 25, 2010, 04:30:46 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9378544
Skinner posted a new poll based on the labels of action vs. movement liberals. Action = pragmatic and movement = idealist. It's a big campfire already, with people even calling out Daddy Skins. It looks like a great way to purge the proletariat right around election time. I've only posted Skinner's OP, as the results are at 485 now and I can't decide which are the best to bring over.
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-24-10 12:03 PM
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Poll question: Are you an Action Liberal or a Movement Liberal?
I just read an interesting survey of liberal books by Jonathan Alter on the New York Times website. In the article, he makes reference to "a tactical split within liberalism itself," between two groups of people he calls "action liberals" and "movement liberals."
Think of it as a distinction between "action liberals" and "movement liberals." Action liberals are policy-oriented pragmatists who use their heads to get something important done, even if their arid deal-making and Big Money connections often turn off the base. Movement liberals can sometimes specialize in logical arguments (e.g., Garry Wills), but they are more often dreamy idealists whose hearts and moral imagination can power the deepest social change (notably the women's movement and the civil rights movement).
Not everyone will be completely satisfied with this distinction, as it is not entirely flattering to either side. Especially given the fact that Alter clearly identifies with one side, and his perspective colors the way he describes the split. (You can read the article for more info.)
Nonetheless, this distinction between "action liberals" and "movement liberals" resonated with me, as this appears to be the "divide" that we see here on Democratic Underground every day (particularly when we discuss the Obama Administration). I especially appreciate the fact that he described the split as "tactical" rather than ideological or values-based. It seems obvious to me from reading DU that we all share the same core values, even if we disagree on how to achieve our shared goals.
Anyway, I was interested to find out what percentage of DUers would identify with either side.
Based on Alter's description in the article, do you think you are more of an "action liberal" or a "movement liberal"?
Poll result (304 votes)
Action Liberal (117 votes, 38%) Vote
Movement Liberal (132 votes, 43%) Vote
Don't Know/Other (55 votes, 18%) Vote
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Other. All liberals of any stripe are all asshats. :asshat:
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He wasted a lot of pretty words jusy ask the question........
Are you a flaming moonbat or a plain moonbat?
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Ooops, my fellow alum flubbed.
Skins forgot to include the options of "hot air liberal," "limousine liberal," and "stoned liberal."
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OMG! what a find, can't read the darn thing now but will read it later.
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Ooops, my fellow alum flubbed.
Skins forgot to include the options of "hot air liberal," "limousine liberal," and "stoned liberal."
DUmpster inhabitants are neither. They're the "I want some free shit" liberals.
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Ooops, my fellow alum flubbed.
Skins forgot to include the options of "hot air liberal," "limousine liberal," and "stoned liberal."
Ha! H5 Frank.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-24-10 02:13 PM
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120. why do i sense Skinner is attempting to tell us something with this poll Updated at 9:47 AM
Action for me, btw.
The answer is yes. All movement liberals will be rounded up and sent to re-education camps as per der Skinners orders.
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The answer is yes. All movement liberals will be rounded up and sent to re-education camps as per der Skinners orders.
How do you reeducate the overly educated, super intelligent, elite?
With small chunks of lead embedded in the brain at high velocity.
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How do you reeducate the overly educated, super intelligent, elite?
With small chunks of lead embedded in the brain at high velocity.
Yup. We were gonna use gas, but the DUmpmonkiez claimed it caused Global Warming.
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Yup. We were gonna use gas, but the DUmpmonkiez claimed it caused Global Warming.
Several socialist countries have proven that the "lead to the head" method works best 100% of the time.
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Other. All liberals of any stripe are all asshats. :asshat:
Good answer Karin! :cheersmate:
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What a headache of a thread and the only thing it reminds me of is the divide between the Paulbots and the rest of us.