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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on October 22, 2010, 03:49:05 PM
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 11:52 AM
Original message
....so my 18 yr old didn't register to vote...
Edited on Fri Oct-22-10 11:58 AM by FirstLight
what's his excuse? he doesn't have one...
I am pissed and disspointed in him.
He's old enough to get drafted, he was in ROTC for 4 years, so it isn't like he is ignorant of govt and military issues. He has a best friend who is being sent to Afganistan in 3 mos... but he just doesn't seem to care.
I sent him the link to Rockthevote.org...told him several times he could do it online easily... talked about the issues with him as the news was on and the importance of needing more DEMS to vote...discussed the high unemployment rate, especially for his age group...
....in one ear and out the other.
i guess because it isn't posted on WOW (worldofwarcraft) it doesn't have relavance in 'his' world.
It's gonna be bumpy around here for a few days, I am so dissapointed in his lack of concern for himself and others...I just want to throttle him!
:mad:
(part of my angst is that i couldn't 'wait' to vote...and hhis lethargy is unnerving, it permeates all aspects of his life, no desire to do anything but the least amount necessary to 'get by'...)
Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 11:53 AM
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1. He is the only one in the entire country.
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2. no, but i am pissed that he blew it off
I didn't raise him to be willfully ignorant or civically irresponsible
Oh yes you did. You raised him and he turned out just the way he was reared.
tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 01:22 PM
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27. LOL
"I didn't raise him to be willfully ignorant or civically irresponsible"
Obviously you did.
11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 02:32 PM
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43. Does that kind of assholery come naturally, or do you have to practice?
Mr. Hamburger Hill.
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5. lol...i wish it was that simple
It's like a personality thing... he would rather just stay under the radar, and think he can slide by...
and here i am, the activist, the one who was involved in college campus rallies, etc...
I want him to care about *something*, besides his stupid video world that doesn't even exist!
and the fact that his friends are all relatively normal and have registered when they signed up for selective services, etc
he hasn;t even pursued a driver's license yet, though...so i guess the lazy runs deep...
Apathy leads to Plutocracy
howz that for a bumper sticker?
What's his DU name? He fits right in.
HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 12:34 PM
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11. Keep this phrase handy in your mind: "Don't vote? Don't bitch."
My 19 year old is voting for the first time this year (by absentee since she's at college out of state). I made it clear to her that I do have candidates I prefer, but as a voter she has to make her own choices. I even sent her the voters' guide from the paper. We had a good joke on the phone about me "NEVER being opinionated about ANYTHING".
Her kid is going to vote a straight Republican ticket. :lmao:
Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 12:36 PM
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12. Hey, though, just realize he's a kid and videogames and boobs play an inordinately large... Updated at 11:37 AM
Edited on Fri Oct-22-10 12:37 PM by Poll_Blind
...role in his reality. It's not like he rejects the concept of Democracy or anything, he's just being a dope. He hasn't yet realized just exactly how important a vote really is.
That'll probably change the more he rubs up against the rest of the world.
I sure do understand where you're coming from. There are far more distractions now than there ever were.
PB
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20. +100
...'the more he rubs up against the world'
that is EXACTLY it. He has managed to avoid responsibility in the 'real world' for a long time...he'll see how tough it is. I can talk till i am blue in the face and he has watched me struggle and how it has affected him and his siblings because of poverty, etc...
but until he has to deal with LIFE, he won't get it...and even then he may be the type that chooses to think 'it is so unfair' and not take any responsibility or control of it...
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28. believe me, we have gone there
he is going to the community college, and he had a summer job that wrapped up last month...so now i am waiting to see what happens next.
I lost some assistance because of him turning 18, so i told him he'd better be prepared to help out when things get tight near the end of the month...
he *does* do some chores, take out the trash, etc...but ya, i have been recently picking up the slack as well... then we have a blowup, he's good for a few days, and then it's back to slackage...typical, right?
Is the kid going to be a 3rd generation welfare queen?
crazyjoe (553 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 01:19 PM
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25. you told him who to vote for too? I'm not surprised
he didn't register if you feel you had to tell him what to do. I wouldn't of either.
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29. no, i did not
he would have had to figure out that one on his own...i just wanted him to PARTICIPATE
so thanks for the snark, screw you
:lmao:
Baalath (65 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 01:51 PM
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35. Not going to get support from me
Your 18 year old unemployed son isn't willing to get a driver's license or register to vote (I didn't see you mention he was in school either maybe I missed it), instead he plays WOW. (I play wow too, I am not judging that wow is inherently evil or anything)
Yet, you think he is the problem.
NEWS FLASH. You are the problem. You are the adult. You set the standard for acceptable behavior in your home. You need to grow up and stop making excuses for him.
Not voting sounds like the least of the problems you are facing with him.
LOL He could get pissed at you and vote for repubs just to piss you off. I guess it is a good thing he didn't do that.
Questions - What would happen if you did go off on him? What would be "worse" if he knew how upset you are? What weapons (not literally) does he use that makes things "worse" if you express yourself to him? Sounds like he can get you to do things the way he wants them, even if you can't get him to do things the way you want.
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39. i get it...
The weakness goes back through a few decades of issues...
my mom did me a HUGE disservice by not helping me to transition out of the house, she didn't want me to struggle so she did everything she could to keep me home and 'safe' and it took me YEARS to develop the survival skills needed to manage a house, do bills, etc...in fact some would say i am STILL learning ;)
people i know who had a little tough love in their teens and had to figure it out are way more "together" now, so i think it serves one's best interest to get pushed out of the nest.
Here's the big issue: my mom
She still helps me tremendously since i am single and poor and she wants to make sure that my kids have shoes and things they need. since i was a 22 yr old mom, she had a bigger part in raising my oldest, and still treats him with the most favor of all the grandkids...
when i mention he came home and bitched because i didn't make dinner for him (on a night he is in class till 9, so he is not part of my plan, too bad) she gets worried he isn't eating enough. when i attack him for being a slacker, he goes to her and tells her that i am being mean, etc...
it's bullshit i know
so i am at the point now where i am telling him that by the end of this school quarter he better have a plan in place, or he can just go live with nana...
ya, registering to vote isn't the whole story, but it sure IS the straw that broke the camel's back...
You are one pathetic loser.
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34. well thanks, but i'm a pretty well adjusted mom
we have gone through alot as a family ...so he has seen me survive and come out relatively sane after some harrowing stuff. he has managed to pull through and i have taken a very 'hands off' approach with him, i may make suggestions, but i won't tell him exactly what to do...
he barely made it in time to get his college classes...when reminded, he blows it off... so typical
I don't think so.
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40. thanks...
He also knows my trigger of 'agressive male' because we had an abusive man in the family for a while... so when i start to push issues, he gets loud and in my face... no respect...
i have to oush back and assert that I run the house, etc... which can be scary when he is taller than me now...
it's bullshit.
Must have been one of her dozen or so live in boyfriends.
Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct-22-10 02:37 PM
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45. You really need to work on your ability to inflict guilt
Now that's funny.
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It's a huge bonfire, and the kid really is a worthless loser who plays video games and does not much else. The OP describes how her own mother made her a worthless loser as well. Sounds like a boring, lazy family.
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Draft his ass....put him in the Marines....it'll do wonders for him....hey, I won't tell her there's no draft if you don't.
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It's a huge bonfire, and the kid really is a worthless loser who plays video games and does not much else. The OP describes how her own mother made her a worthless loser as well. Sounds like a boring, lazy family.
Are you surprised? He's exactly who he was raised to be.
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The ol' apple don't fall far from the ol' tree, does it? :evillaugh: :fuelfire: :loser:
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Losers beget losers.
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Her kid is so f-ing lazy!
He's an adult, kick his mooching ass out of your home, *****.
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She mentioned that he tends to "slide under the radar", while she is an "activist".
He probably is damned embarrassed to be related to such a loud-mouth, lazy, bitchy looser, and acts this way just to piss her off, biding his time until he goes to Asscrackastan.
Or, it could be the kids is just totally f'n lazy, just like his mom.
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Sounds like the perfect DUmmy doesn't care and playing video games only thing he is missing is the pot and cheetos
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The ol' apple don't fall far from the ol' tree, does it? :evillaugh: :fuelfire: :loser:
That's exactly what I was thinking while reading that.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Oct-22-10 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. i get it...
The weakness goes back through a few decades of issues...
my mom did me a HUGE disservice by not helping me to transition out of the house, she didn't want me to struggle so she did everything she could to keep me home and 'safe' and it took me YEARS to develop the survival skills needed to manage a house, do bills, etc...in fact some would say i am STILL learning ;)
people i know who had a little tough love in their teens and had to figure it out are way more "together" now, so i think it serves one's best interest to get pushed out of the nest.
Here's the big issue: my mom
She still helps me tremendously since i am single and poor and she wants to make sure that my kids have shoes and things they need. since i was a 22 yr old mom, she had a bigger part in raising my oldest, and still treats him with the most favor of all the grandkids...
when i mention he came home and bitched because i didn't make dinner for him (on a night he is in class till 9, so he is not part of my plan, too bad) she gets worried he isn't eating enough. when i attack him for being a slacker, he goes to her and tells her that i am being mean, etc...
it's bullshit i know
so i am at the point now where i am telling him that by the end of this school quarter he better have a plan in place, or he can just go live with nana...
ya, registering to vote isn't the whole story, but it sure IS the straw that broke the camel's back...
How is she ever going to push him out of the nest when she hasn't left the nest herself? even though she's not living with her Mom the fact that she's financially dependent on her means she's not self sufficient.
And also she talks about not using tough love and how that can be to blame for her son being dependent, well what ideology pretty much preaches against tough love?
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Another "woe is me" DUmmie thread looking for street cred.
I sent him the link to Rockthevote.org...told him several times he could do it online easily... talked about the issues with him as the news was on and the importance of needing more DEMS to vote
Even though he sounds like a prototypical DUmmie, if my mother had pushed me to an obviously partisan site or pushed me on who to vote for, I would have voted just the opposite just to spite her--not a hard thing to do considering she's a huge lib and can't understand why I'm not. Go figure.
Bottom line, DUmmie mom--junior needs to leave the nest, preferably at the end of a boot.
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Really a lot of the college-age kids are indifferent, especially those not in college, and on both sides. The military ramrods a huge voting effort every Federal cycle, as do all sorts of mostly-pro-Dem organizations on campuses, but even with those efforts, a lot of people in their late teens and early 20s just don't have a set career and unless they are an 'issue voter' (RKBA, Choice/Life, etc.) the tax burden on them is virtually unnoticed, Big Policy is distant and irrelevant to their daily lives on most things, they have no retirement planning to worry about, and they just don't see that they have any skin in the game the same way as their parents do.
They're not entirely wrong. It's all pretty relative.