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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on October 14, 2010, 03:16:29 PM
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Cyrano (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:12 PM
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Is America broken beyond repair?
The Republicans have been butchering the Constitution since the day Ronald Reagan took office. And it seems that the Bush/Cheney years managed to finish the job of destroying American democracy.
It's my belief that our country is broken beyond repair. We no longer lead the world in anything except military power. Our government, big business, and most of our institutions are so corrupt that no one would have a clue as to how to undo the damage.
Every empire falls, so I guess it's our turn. But perhaps it's for the best. I, for one, would be happy to never again hear anyone chant the imbecilic phrase, "We're number one."
So what happens next? It will be years before our current economic woes end, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Any guesses?
I swear to God this cretin must go through a box of tissues a day with all his fussing.
Frank has him nailed by his name sake and I can only picture him in a frilly shirt,wringing his hands.
Of course anything anti American will have a sympathetic ear at the DUmp.
Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:15 PM
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1. Hopefully, we'll become a 2nd rate power that serves it's people rather than the corporations.
Probably a vain hope as we continue to bankrupt ourselves by waging wars to protect our colonies.
**** you! :bird:
mmonk (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:16 PM
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3. Depends on how one defines broken.
If you mean will our country ever be the same it was before the Bush administration, only in parts. Will it be a country with a strong middle class, rule of law, and a country with an adequate safety net? Probably not in our lifetime.
That President Bush will make your lives miserable for all eternity gives me great pleasure.
MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:16 PM
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4. Rethink the Empire and stop trying to run the planet
Make the corporations liable for their misdeeds and force them to pony up on what they actually owe.
Rebuild the social contract, think bottom up, instead from top to bottom
Value everyone, not just a few
Start building things for ourselves again
Gimme Gimme Gimme
Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:17 PM
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5. Yes, unless the ills of this society are cured, America is broken beyond repair. n/t
We are finally going to put DUmmies in the camps?
SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:25 PM
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7. No. But the process by which it can be repaired is broken.
A wildly popular president (talking about election day here) with huge majorities in both houses on Congress is totally incapable of enacting major reform to address the vast problems we are facing.
If Obama and this Congress cannot pass a solid progressive agenda to save this country, no one can.
In other words, America can be fixed. We're actually far from the point where we're too far gone to do anything. But as it stands now, it is impossible to get us off this self-destructive path.
November 2nd will be a good start to fix that.
old mark (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:29 PM
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9. In a way, I think this terrible period is pretty typical...the times when it all
seemed to work were few and far between. The best times we have ever had were from FDR to Reagan; the recovery from the depression and the economic boom after WWII and the relative prosperity of the 50's and 60's saw us going in good directions.
Much of our history in the 19th century was similar to our era - scandals, idolization of the rich, desperation and total neglect of the poor. In many ways this may be our time to start to ttake control of our country and try to re-establish the constitution as a working basis for the laws of this country. The Republicans have done and are doing their best to destroy it and the Democrats and the left are the only hope of its survival.
mark
Messiah complex much?
Cyrano (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:44 PM
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11. I agree in theory that the Dems and the left are our only hope of survival
However, given the cravenness of today's Democratic Party, I'm not holding my breath for them to "save us."
The Democratic Party I knew as a kid and while growing up, knew how to fight and knew how to win. Today's Dems seem to know only how to throw bullshit at us, and cower any time a Republican says "boo."
Is he talking about Jimmy in the boat with an oar fighting the killer rabbit?
lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:48 PM
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13. As long as the RW Media Hatemongers are given free rein.
As long as the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity & Co. have a soap box so they can spew their lies
and hate and GOP propaganda there is no end in sight to the wide political divide we have now.
All dissent must be silenced!!
Cyrano (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:54 PM
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15. Couldn't agree more.
Who ever thought the first amendment to the Constitution would end up screwing us rather than protecting us?
This doesn't mean we should get rid of the first amendment. But it does mean that the FCC should have the power to put a halt to hate speech. Which brings up the problem of who defines "hate speech?" It's a dilemma.
Damn that Constitution. :censored:
Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:58 PM
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17. I decded the U.S. was dead in 2000.
I've been waiting since to see what grows out of the corpse.
Still waiting.
maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 03:07 PM
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21. Things are more like they are now than ever before.
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 03:12 PM by maxsolomon
Yes, America is broken beyond repair.
It has been nearly since it's inception. It was designed for the benefit of wealthy landowners, by wealthy landowners. Since then there has been a slow tide of social change which extends some of the benefits to the non-wealthy - voting for non-landowners, an end to slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, etc.
But the real power has always been in the hands of the wealthy, and since corporations are people, they now hold that power. We're seeing them exercise that power for their benefit - in the Senate, in the Media, in the CoC campaign. They will not stop, because Americans are still too comfortable, and too ignorant and gullible, to force change.
Eventually, the relative prosperity the middle class still experience will end. Start hoarding.
No,we just don`t listen to the insane.
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And then in 2013 a republican president will be elected with a super majority in the HOR and a filibuster proof senate. A rollback in all government agencies of 15% across the board. Capital gains and all other taxes will be cut. The regulatory power of the EPA will be slashed and another 30 years of prosperity will reign in the USA.
Mark. My. Words.
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Okay.
That does it.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
Oscar Wilde is going to be my first nomination for Top 10 DUmmies [Primitives] of 2010.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:17 PM
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5. Yes, unless the ills of this society are cured, America is broken beyond repair.
"Unless it's fixed it will remain broken."
There's no denying DUmbass logicalisms.
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WTF is "the social contract"?
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WTF is "the social contract"?
An imagined concept that says all society is obligated via confiscation and governmental redistribution of money to provide for those at the bottom of the economic ladder regardless of cause.
Conservatives believe and act privately on that out of human compassion locally while leftists yearn for it as an escape from productive society.
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An imagined concept that says all society is obligated via confiscation and governmental redistribution of money to provide for those at the bottom of the economic ladder regardless of cause.
Conservatives believe and act privately on that out of human compassion locally while leftists yearn for it as an escape from productive society.
Well that's just DUmb..
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Well that's just DUmb..
But typical, Ree. You have to admit that it's typical of the DUmp.
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Cyrano (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:54 PM
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15. Couldn't agree more.
Who ever thought the first amendment to the Constitution would end up screwing us rather than protecting us?
This doesn't mean we should get rid of the first amendment. But it does mean that the FCC should have the power to put a halt to hate speech. Which brings up the problem of who defines "hate speech?" It's a dilemma.
Stupid DUmmies, if they halt hate speech then the DUmp would be among the first places eradicated.
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Stupid DUmmies, if they halt hate speech then the DUmp would be among the first places eradicated.
It would be by the left too.
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:15 PM
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1. Hopefully, we'll become a 2nd rate power that serves it's people rather than the corporations.
Probably a vain hope as we continue to bankrupt ourselves by waging wars to protect our colonies.
Hopefully we become a 2nd rate power?! You sicken me you piece of puke. You and the red diaper doper babies running the Country. Yet, you continue to live in the U.S.A., right DUmmie?!?! You people are so ass backwards, you need the gubberment to help you in your everyday function of life. Such sad excuses for a life you are! :censored:
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Hopefully we become a 2nd rate power?! You sicken me you piece of puke. You and the red diaper doper babies running the Country. Yet, you continue to live in the U.S.A., right DUmmie?!?! You people are so ass backwards, you need the gubberment to help you in your everyday function of life. Such sad excuses for a life you are! :censored:
Based on this bitch's user name, I think he/she should hightail it to Cuba, land of choice for freedom lovers everywhere. Tierra y Libertard, you :mental: :loser:
Get the hell out of my country, you pond sucking scumbag. Or stay here, sit on your thumb and rotate.
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Dammit to hell in a handbasket. This crap pisses me off! This is all.
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For all their nattering about "progress" and a "new way" there's not a dime's worth of difference between them and their ideological forefathers Mao, Josef, Fidel, Pol, and others when it comes to freedom. To wit, silence the opposition by any means necessary.
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They always spout this the right "is butchering the constitution" but never once do they give specific examples. OTOH, we can point to numerous concrete examples where they've deliberately "butchered" it. Believing it's a "living" document can result in nothing else. Heck a good number of them have happened in this administration. Can you say healthcare?
Cindie
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This whole thread is one big communist circle jerk.
MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:16 PM
Value everyone, not just a few
I don't value you at all, Mr. Dorkio. I don't see any way you "add value" to anything.
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 03:07 PM
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21. Things are more like they are now than ever before.
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 03:12 PM by maxsolomon
Yes, America is broken beyond repair.
It has been nearly since it's inception. It was designed for the benefit of wealthy landowners, by wealthy landowners. Since then there has been a slow tide of social change which extends some of the benefits to the non-wealthy - voting for non-landowners, an end to slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, etc.
But the real power has always been in the hands of the wealthy, and since corporations are people, they now hold that power. We're seeing them exercise that power for their benefit - in the Senate, in the Media, in the CoC campaign. They will not stop, because Americans are still too comfortable, and too ignorant and gullible, to force change.
Eventually, the relative prosperity the middle class still experience will end. Start hoarding.
First off, why don't ya look it up and see which party is responsible for these minute social changes of which you speak, and those that opposed them! DipShit!
Second, just who has held the power in the socialistic paradises of the downtrodden thru history, you so wish to live like? You got it! The wealthy party members! They were feedin' high on the hog, while everyone else had to beg borrow and steal just to survive!
Who are those right now, in your party, that hold reign over your little pointy heads? They sure as hell ain't givin' up any of their stash!
You are right about one thing! You DUmpster Divers, and those like you, are doomed, doomed, I tell ya!
You people don't have the brains nor the incentive to breathe, let alone fend for yourselves! If the gubmint doesn't tell you slackers to inhale, you'll all be gone the way of the Dodo and it will serve you right!
The rest of us are goin' to do our damnedest to remove those who have decided they know better than the people who elected them!
We are going to reign in the power of a government that has decided it can decide what's best for the people, all the while disregarding the rules they set for us, and our most sacred document meant to protect us!
That one document was meant to keep this country from goin' down the shithole! The one document that was meant to curtail the government's tyranny over the people who grant it's very existence!
The Constitution!
So, if ya don't mind, go pound sand! Leave the country to those that are willing to live free or die! You don't deserve it!
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-14-10 02:25 PM
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If Obama and this Congress cannot pass a solid progressive agenda to save this country, no one can.
Awwww,...just what we need, right?!? A solid "progressive" agenda. And you think that will be the end all in making America better?! ::) :lmao:
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Awwww,...just what we need, right?!? A solid "progressive" agenda. And you think that will be the end all in making America better?! ::) :lmao:
progressive = communist. America rejected Zero's "solid progressive agenda". You will find out just how badly we rejected it come November 3rd.
Eliminating DUmmies and leftist college profs will do wonders for this country.
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Yes. Progressive is code word for communist.