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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on October 04, 2010, 11:50:12 AM
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You already now the back story so no need for the OP.
First, denial and blame-Bush:
DCKit (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 02:31 AM
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1. Ok, I'm done for the night...
I'm actually imagining your OP was titled "Man(on Jet Ski) Killed by Mexican Pirates on Texas Lake" and I just can't go there.
It's like we're still living under BushCo* with no options.
Next comes the your-bigotry-makes-you-overreact mantra:
pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 04:22 AM
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19. MEXICAN pirates!! On a TEXAS lake!!1!
Oh noes!!1! Nice bit of inflammatory reporting. Sounds like we're being invaded. So what is a local problem becomes a national news item, and a subject of hysterical reporting on RW blogs and talk media.
And because he just can't keep his mouth shut to keep from sayin' stupid shit:
pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 02:36 AM
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3. "Illegal Border-Crosser Killed by Pirates on Mexican Lake"...
...would be another way to put it.
People using a lake for recreational purposes with every intent to return to their own nation and homes are now the moral equivalent of 20 million illegals seeking illegal residency and public benefits.
But why dance with moral equivocation when you can move to hold the wife in suspicion of murder with no supporting evidence:
ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 05:56 AM
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33. I wonder how she found the time to do that
with "pirates" in hot pursuit, shooting at her.
Note to self: never count on a liberal to save your ass in a firefight.
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 05:24 AM
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31. There have been plenty of stories over the years about partners murdering
the other during remote activities (the scuba diver, Gabe Watson, always comes to my mind) so I thought that at first too. However, there has been a lot of crime on those lakes in recent years, so I hope the police are keeping their minds wide open...
And your mind is so open on the craving to legalize 20 million undocumented democrat voters your brains fell out.
Now for a quasi-sequitor.
naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 03:36 AM
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14. unfortunetly
the unresolved immigration issue leaves everyone wondering what to do. The only proper response is for the coast guard to put some ships in the lake and blow the living sh*t out of these jerks.
This is only remotely tied to immigration in that it is the abject cowardice and self-serving motivations of the pols that keep our laws from being enforced.
Now we move to the realm of thought that says if RWers-are-agin-it-we-must-be-fer-it...even-if-its-murder:
pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 04:31 AM
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22. Thanks for the link, UTUSN
I remembered reading about the earlier incidents and how they were used by wingnuts like Hannity to inflame anti-immigrant and dire border violence hysteria, but couldn't find the links.
You're right--these incidents ARE being used to serve the RW agenda, and professional journalists should know better than to accept as gospel everything they're spoon-fed by biased sources.
See, that's the problem with you RWers: you think this general lawlessness is somehow tied to the refusal to enforce laws. If only you understood the reason liberals refuse to enforce laws is because you RWers are bigots. It's really no more complicated than that.
Back to, I-bet-the-bitch-did-it:
HippieCowgirl Donating Member (229 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 04:25 AM
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20. I have a feeling about Miss Tiffany...
One of my friends thought of this and I agree., I would not be surprised if an insurance policy and a boyfriend on the side turn up.
timo (508 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 06:58 PM
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47. local radio
interviewed the sheriff and there were multiple eyewitnesses that saw her being chased and shot at??
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 08:01 PM
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51. Sheriff is attention whore for Minutemen; local radio = Faux affiliate for wingnuts
The term "John WAYNE" is not just a joke. The real WAYNE was one of the biggest chickenhawks who ever lived; played all these "tough" roles and did crap in WW II. That's why chickenhawks in the military or law enforcement are called John WAYNE. This sheriff is a John WAYNE.
See post #15 for his activities. Clue, he loves to be interviewed by HANNITY or young journalists from far ends of the country that swallow his hysteria whole.
I myself am not speculating about the wife, am focusing entirely on how the wingnuts/Tbaggers/minutemen/Faux use incidents like this to drive their fools into hysteria.
So obviously he's a liar.
In fact all RWers are liars when it comes to the law. So-much-so if you vote for a republican--ever--you should be charged with a hate crime each and every time you report a crime because obviously you're just fomenting hatred. Since our prisons are over-represented with minorities and this whol border-lawlessness thing is just trumped up by the RW we can pretty much assume only conservative racists report crimes.
The tete-a-tete continues:
timo (508 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 08:36 PM
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53. whatever
until you live down here, dont act like you are an authority on what goes on along the border here, just this week we had 2 dead in brownsville that was a cartel hit, car jackings by undocumented visitors, and an international bridge shut down for several hours because the Mexican marines crossed the border.
http://www.themonitor.com/articles/brownsville-42117-pu...
http://www.themonitor.com/articles/progreso-43268-bridg...
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-04-10 01:39 AM
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55. Yeah, "whatever" - keep fueling the wingnut/T-baggers - how come you don't go hysterical and
MOVE?!1 You must be getting something from Governor Goodhair, HANNITY, Sheriff T-Bagger ---OR you've got a HEART!1 (courtesy of Frank LUNTZ who tells KKKarl and Shrub what HEART to use as a WORD)
Americans out of America NOW!
wow...you can't get liberals to deport illegals but they want Americans to flee their homes at gun point from foreign thugs.
timo (508 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-04-10 02:28 AM
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57. yaaawwwnnnnnnnnnn
why should I move? I have my business, here my family, I am not in hysterics by any stretch, your ASSumptions are ****ing stupid!!!!
And now the America's imperialist history and why we would be so much better off if only America never existed:
Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 04:33 AM
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23. The Mexican-American War started because President James Polk
coveted Mexican lands, and he knew that asking politely would just get him laughed at.
If only weapons of mass destruction had existed back then, Ole Polk-Head wouldn't have had to think as hard of an excuse...
It's a shame California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas can't be a big a shit-hole as Mexico was then/is today. I suppose there never would be a Feinstein, Pelosi and Boxer though so this one is a toss-up.
Not even WW2 is safe from DUmbass tampering:
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 05:02 AM
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27. no war is about any particular offense, it's always about real estate, resources, cheap labor, or
markets.
dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 10:06 AM
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38. or in the case of World War II
complete Global domination (guess that falls under real estate), with the side benefit of mass genocide against Jews, Gypsies and had they been there, probably Mexican Pirates.
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 06:33 PM
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44. genocide just made our propagandists job easier. Even the Simon Wiesenthal Center
said the war wasn't about the treatment of the Jews, but the territorial ambitions of Hitler in Europe and Japan in Asia. Both were latecomers as world powers, trying to elbow their way to colonial trough and that would not be tolerated by those already feeding.
The real proof is World War I. Germany had similar goals of being the continental power and the US, Britain, France, and others opposed them even though they had the same form of government as Great Britain.
Hm-m-m...should I shop at Dollar-Mart or General Saver?
I really like Dollar-Mart but they have that whole "kill the Jews" thing going on.
Oh well, General Saver is in it for the profit too so I guess that makes him the moral equivalent. Dollar-Mart can keep my business.
Enter the troofers:
Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 04:44 AM
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25. This guy?
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 04:44 AM by Bonobo
I hear he was in Mexico recently...
western mass (672 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 06:07 AM
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34. People on jetskis don't usually carry cash or valuables
That's what makes this pirate story "odd".
Again, liberals are not to be trusted in a firefight:
ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 06:42 AM
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35. And if she was being chased by "pirates",
and she was within range of their rifles, I wonder how she had time to turn around and attempt to rescue her companion.
Very odd, indeed.
This 'news' item will, no doubt, aid in whipping many people into a jingoistic lather.
Again, if you ask for laws to be enforced, like murder and stuff, you are obviously a racist.
Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-04-10 06:19 AM
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59. ronnie624 ~
This story does sound odd. And the news story, on our local news in N. Texas tonight, had an even odder twist. First they said the couple was "sight seeing" on the Mexican side of the lake. Then, the newscast mentioned how frightened the couple has been for their safety, and they were going to move away...but... wait for it... the couple wanted "one more time on the lake." Okay, I'm no Einstein, but something doesn't add up.
I wouldn't mind sight-seeing in Mexico...but mostly just to point and laugh at the shit-covered, misbegotten cretins who don't have the huevos to fight for their own country so the pussies run north to stand outside Home Depot all day in the hopes they can cut my lawn while wearing t-shirts that squeal with jingoistic pride about how wonderful Mexico really is. That is when they aren't haggling me for $10 to pop their 14-year old cousins in the squeak hole and/or sell me an 8-ball.
Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 01:44 PM
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40. Thats more likely, or
as the cop on the nooze report noted "the cartel members guarding the other side are very young". They may have been some of these having 'fun' taking pot shots.
But 'pirates'?
*giggle*
You said, "butt pirates."
We return you now to the ****er-had-it-comin' contingent:
countmyvote4real (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 08:24 AM
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37. Really?
Tiffany probably has more ties to the Mexican pirates than her departed husband,
timo (508 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 07:40 PM
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50. jeez
yeah the ties she cultivated while working as a missionary in Mexico they only lived here for 6 months or so and were in the process of moving back....damn some people around here are heartless!!
Flee, timo. Flee and join us in the cave where the sane take refuge.
Trajan (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-04-10 02:21 AM
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56. I understand your frustration ...
But, you have to admit ... Stranger things have happened ....
It would not be unusual for a spouse to kill another spouse, and blame it on some vague and nebulous outsider ... Then go on to collect insurance ...
This has happened for more than you may want to admit ....
The fact that eyewitnesses were present tends to give more credibility to her story .... as long as the eyewitnesses are unrelated and unknown to the parties involved ....
If that is the case, then the case FOR her is strong ... otherwise, it is just as suspect as any other similar case ...
You cant blame others here for being 'careful' ...
You're not careful. You're blame-America-first, treasonous pieces of shit.
We close with these two shit bags full of shit:
COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 01:47 PM
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41. Call me cynical, but to me this whole thing just doesn't pass
the smell test. Why on earth would supposed 'pirates' shoot the guy instead of robbing the jetski first? Why would they shoot at him at all? Her story also strikes me as being a little unbelievable. We'll have to wait and see what details emerge but for now I reserve the right to be very skeptical of her story.
I can call you much worse than cynical...and it would all be true, you thug-fellating, America-hating, cowardly piece-of-sub-human shit.
uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 04:21 PM
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42. a fence would have taken care of this.
of course instead we'd be reading about a dead couple who ran their jet-ski into a concertina wire fence.
Liberals should be fenced...and by fenced I mean: shot down mercilessly in the streets.
Here's the ****ing link if you feel the need:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4562516
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Is there any doubt which side would turn to tyranny to achieve political goals?
History is a guide to that answer.
The lefts situational ethics for the sake of political victory is frightening.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 06:42 AM
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35. And if she was being chased by "pirates",
and she was within range of their rifles, I wonder how she had time to turn around and attempt to rescue her companion.
Very odd, indeed.
This 'news' item will, no doubt, aid in whipping many people into a jingoistic lather.
He wasn't her "companion", he was her HUSBAND. I guess a liberal wouldn't risk their life to save their own spouse. Not surprising.
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Given the recent stance the Bigot General and his Department of inJustice took against Arizona, claiming Federal exclusivity in dealing with a closely-related issue, it's a miracle Texas is even talking about doing anything.
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This is just typical of these a**holes.
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The Obama regime really wants to have some armed conflict between private citizens and the drug cartels to make a demonstration of the private citizens.
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The Obama regime really wants to have some armed conflict between private citizens and the drug cartels to make a demonstration of the private citizens.
Nothing to demonstrate so long as the private citizen remembers the 3 S's:
SSS
Shoot
Shovel
Shutup
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Seems Shepard Smith agrees with DU.
Edited to add: I can't stand Shepard Smith
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The wiring diagram of the liberal brain looks like a bird nest full of bird shit.
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Seems Shepard Smith agrees with DU.
Edited to add: I can't stand Shepard Smith
What did he say?
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Anyone not armed to the teeth within 300 miles of our southern border, should either move, or buy a damn gun or two!
I got news, some asshole shoots at "Toots" is gonna be one dead mutha****a quicker than he can turn around! If he wasn't within my sights, I'd hunt him down if I had to!
Rule #1: Ya don't **** with "Toots"!!!!!!!!
ETA:
Of course "Toots" is armed, so I may not have to do a damn thing!
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Anyone not armed to the teeth within 300 miles of our southern border, should either move, or buy a damn gun or two!
I got news, some asshole shoots at "Toots" is gonna be one dead mutha****a quicker than he can turn around! If he wasn't within my sights, I'd hunt him down if I had to!
Rule #1: Ya don't **** with "Toots"!!!!!!!!
ETA:
Of course "Toots" is armed, so I may not have to do a damn thing!
I know what to do.....lets catch some DUmmies and hog tie them...put 'em on a inner tube behind a bass boat....and go trolling for messycan gunmen.
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I know what to do.....lets catch some DUmmies and hog tie them...put 'em on a inner tube behind a bass boat....and go trolling for messycan gunmen.
No shortage of bait..
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-03-10 04:22 AM
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19. MEXICAN pirates!! On a TEXAS lake!!1!
Oh noes!!1! Nice bit of inflammatory reporting. Sounds like we're being invaded. So what is a local problem becomes a national news item, and a subject of hysterical reporting on RW blogs and talk media.
Hey pinballboy! We are getting "invaded", you stupid DUmmie. Have you seen the amount of ILlegals in the U.S. and the amount of crime they bring here to the U.S.?!? Or does your pea sized brain do not register too much info for one day?!? Another thing. ILLEGAL means, "not legal", so get over the "invading" word you piece of garbage. And yeah, you're probably right that only the RW shows and RW talk media are the only ones talking about it, because we care about the Country, unlike you, you piece of garbage!! :bird: :censored:
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Hey pinballboy! We are getting "invaded", you stupid DUmmie. Have you seen the amount of ILlegals in the U.S. and the amount of crime they bring here to the U.S.?!? Or does your pea sized brain do not register too much info for one day?!? Another thing. ILLEGAL means, "not legal", so get over the "invading" word you piece of garbage. And yeah, you're probably right that only the RW shows and RW talk media are the only ones talking about it, because we care about the Country, unlike you, you piece of garbage!! :bird: :censored:
H5, _Blood, H5!
According to DUmbasses, everyone should be able to come here and sell us dope! It will bring the price down for those that have nothin' better to do!
And you thought the extended unemployment was to help out those out of work families!
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I think it is time for some locals on our southern borders to start forming militias. :censored:
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I think it is time for some locals on our southern borders to start forming militias. :censored:
I would be very surprised if that hadn't happened already.
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I think it is time for some locals on our southern borders to start forming militias. :censored:
We own Jet Ski's and I am trying to picture how this could have come about.
Each of us has a 3 seater and we have never gotten them up to high speed-65mph is fast enough for us. Speedometer goes to 85-90.
It is curious that the wake from the jets did not rock the chasing boats,
making it a wee bit difficult to aim dead on.
I would like to see the model and brand of a boat that would catch up to a Jet when the riders were full throttle down.
My Jets are designed to circle about the rider if they fall off and pull the landyard attached to the key and flotation device vest.
Quite frankly, unless the Wife works as a Stunt woman I cannot see how she could have shot husband, at any speed, Jets will rock back and forth on a dead calm lake.
If the shot that killed the husband came from the chasing boats, it had to have been a one in a million accident.
Now to the goodie question, how do we know the boats that chased them were manned by Mexicans, ? The couple themselves had crossed the border into Mexico and who is to say some bunch of drunken American fisherman were not just having sport with the skiers.
Now to the body, the husband must have been wearing a floatation vest, I can see no reason not to wear one or take one off. So where did his body go ??? The vest would have kept him afloat at least 4-6 hours.
If he was not wearing a flotation device he would have sunk very fast, the wife would have had to dive to find him. She stated she tried to pull him to her Jet but could not do that, so why didn't she just tow his body back to shore?
This is a good hum dinger of a puzzle nothing makes sense in any of this story to me.
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The wiring diagram of the liberal brain looks like a bird nest full of bird shit.
I picture the wiring of a liberal brain as a single straight strand of wire, with nothing connected to either end.
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We own Jet Ski's and I am trying to picture how this could have come about.
Each of us has a 3 seater and we have never gotten them up to high speed-65mph is fast enough for us. Speedometer goes to 85-90.
It is curious that the wake from the jets did not rock the chasing boats,
making it a wee bit difficult to aim dead on.
I would like to see the model and brand of a boat that would catch up to a Jet when the riders were full throttle down.
My Jets are designed to circle about the rider if they fall off and pull the landyard attached to the key and flotation device vest.
Quite frankly, unless the Wife works as a Stunt woman I cannot see how she could have shot husband, at any speed, Jets will rock back and forth on a dead calm lake.
If the shot that killed the husband came from the chasing boats, it had to have been a one in a million accident.
Now to the goodie question, how do we know the boats that chased them were manned by Mexicans, ? The couple themselves had crossed the border into Mexico and who is to say some bunch of drunken American fisherman were not just having sport with the skiers.
Now to the body, the husband must have been wearing a floatation vest, I can see no reason not to wear one or take one off. So where did his body go ??? The vest would have kept him afloat at least 4-6 hours.
If he was not wearing a flotation device he would have sunk very fast, the wife would have had to dive to find him. She stated she tried to pull him to her Jet but could not do that, so why didn't she just tow his body back to shore?
This is a good hum dinger of a puzzle nothing makes sense in any of this story to me.
You mean to tell me, you can't keep from sinking if you don't have a life jacket on?
The human body is buoyant! All you have to do is relax, and you will float! Guess what? If you're unconscious, you're relaxed!
It is curious that the wake from the jets did not rock the chasing boats,
making it a wee bit difficult to aim dead on.
Could be the reason she wasn't hit!
Jeez Vesta, do ya ever read what you write?
Good Lord! Sometimes your logic defies comprehension!
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I would be very surprised if that hadn't happened already.
I agree. I bet it has. It bet militias are forming all over this great Country and with great reason. We are being overrun with marxist/communist/socialists pieces of garbage. It's like a foreign gubberment has taken control over the White House and is doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what a true American President would do! :banghead: :banghead:
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H5, _Blood, H5!
According to DUmbasses, everyone should be able to come here and sell us dope! It will bring the price down for those that have nothin' better to do!
And you thought the extended unemployment was to help out those out of work families!
HA HA! :cheersmate:
I call it like it is brother. No more *****footing around. :evillaugh:
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HA HA! :cheersmate:
I call it like it is brother. No more *****footing around. :evillaugh:
heh! What took ya? I'm probably one of the few that routinely gets my keyboard slapped with a ruler!
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HA HA!! :cheersmate:
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You mean to tell me, you can't keep from sinking if you don't have a life jacket on?
The human body is buoyant! All you have to do is relax, and you will float! Guess what? If you're unconscious, you're relaxed!
Could be the reason she wasn't hit!
Jeez Vesta, do ya ever read what you write?
Good Lord! Sometimes your logic defies comprehension!
I am saying that if you are dead and face down in the water, you will sink. It is seldom that a person who is dead in a swimming pool floats for long, unless they have a life vest.
As Robert Schneider the actor that called police to say his wife was on the bottom or the deep end of their pool found out.
Latest story she gives is she saw him go over the handle bars, HIMMMMM now I have never seen that ever happen on a Jet to anyone but those that do go off from the side, I have never seen a dead person fall off one and one would think being shot in the back of the head makes one dead before hitting the water. There was nothing being said of a troth in the water caused by large waves or the wake of another boat to cause him to porpoise down and be thrown forward.
Anyone that rides a motorcycle knows that unless they are hit from behind or slam into something head on, they will go off to the side.
Aerodynamics comes in here, unless he was standing up when hit, quite frankly I do not see how that could have happend. Being shot in the back now is different, the speed factor and the calibre of the bullet could cause a person to fly forward. A large caliber projectile most likely would have taken half his head off.
As soon as he was hit the Jet should have come to a stop, his right hand controlling the throttle like on a motorcycle would have shut down the speed immediately. If he was thrown off the Jet would have continued to circle him.
The wife says on Fox that he was face down and she turned him over to find he had been shot, possible as he may have looked back at her following and received the shot perhaps to the side of the head.
Remember beginning Algerbra when we had those problems to solve--Like a car going 50 mph and one at 30 are chasing each other, how long before at a speed of 60 will it take the 2nd. car to catch up with the first.? The boats chasing them would have to be going faster then their Jets to get within shooting range.
Then there is the very nature of the beast, on water a jet does not unless in a channel drive straight on, or follow a path, one zigs and zags, constantly on the look out for floating tree limbs and Jetsum.
As an a side Jets are high speed animals and one cannot just putt along at 20 mph for 30 minutes sightseeing, they need to to run at high speed to keep the machine in good working order.
Interesting question for you Allo, if a person on a Jet can somehow be shot in the back of the head, why was it that the his wife a sitting duck was not also shot.?
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Interesting question for you Allo, if a person on a Jet can somehow be shot in the back of the head, why was it that the his wife a sitting duck was not also shot.?
She says she was shot at as well.
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She says she was shot at as well.
Yes true she said she was shot at also, but she at that time was a sitting duck and not hit while her husband traveling at a good speed was in fact shot in the head.
You know this brings to mind the controversy from almost 50 years ago about how one lone gunman could have shot Kennedy. Lots of bazaar stuff went on then at the time, statements by people on the Grassy Knoll
Jack Ruby's true intent to silence Oswald.
Then there is our own 9 day wonder in my area where a up and coming politician went missing. When found his story was most unbelievable to some of us on a forum and we spent weeks dissecting and analysing the possible from the impossible.
We Yanks love a good mystery.
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We Yanks love a good mystery.
That explains a lot!
and I've got news, rarely will a body sink for at least an hour or two! The human body is lighter than water. Until the water saturates the tissue, it remains lighter than water. However, if ya drill enough holes in it with an AK, you can speed the process! I don't think this is the case in this situation.
Even then, within 24 hours, the decomp supplies enough gas to lift it to the surface! In salt water, they don't sink at all, without help from the local sharks or the asshole that ties an anchor to their ass, that is!
Just how many "bodies" have you seen in water? Oh I get it, you're relyin' on what you read on the internet. Must be true, right?
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That explains a lot!
and I've got news, rarely will a body sink for at least an hour or two! The human body is lighter than water. Until the water saturates the tissue, it remains lighter than water. However, if ya drill enough holes in it with an AK, you can speed the process! I don't think this is the case in this situation.
Even then, within 24 hours, the decomp supplies enough gas to lift it to the surface! In salt water, they don't sink at all, without help from the local sharks or the asshole that ties an anchor to their ass, that is!
Just how many "bodies" have you seen in water? Oh I get it, you're relyin' on what you read on the internet. Must be true, right?
About 30 years ago, my cousins lived on the banks of the Hudson River in Troy. One summer day, they were down at the shore, throwing rocks at what they thought was a mannequin . . . and then it got closer, and they realized that it was the body of a 50ish woman. It got a ten-second mention on the local news that night. It had been in the river for a while, from what I remember.
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That explains a lot!
and I've got news, rarely will a body sink for at least an hour or two! The human body is lighter than water. Until the water saturates the tissue, it remains lighter than water. However, if ya drill enough holes in it with an AK, you can speed the process! I don't think this is the case in this situation.
Even then, within 24 hours, the decomp supplies enough gas to lift it to the surface! In salt water, they don't sink at all, without help from the local sharks or the asshole that ties an anchor to their ass, that is!
Just how many "bodies" have you seen in water? Oh I get it, you're relyin' on what you read on the internet. Must be true, right?
I attended an autopsy of a 2 week old floater in Va. while in school.
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I attended an autopsy of a 2 week old floater in Va. while in school.
Ah, I see, you're an expert! Was it still the size of a beached whale? Were ya there when the gas escaped? It's a wonderful smell! Kind of a cross between a dead skunk, that's been out on the road for a week, and septic tank!
Back in the days when my back didn't look like a hardware store, I did volunteer work with Search and Rescue up here. I've seen my share of bodies! Most were drownings as there's a body of water nearly every square mile up here in the spring.
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I forgot to mention, if we found 'em in the lake, the fish had already started eatin' the best parts. I'll leave it to you to figure out what those were!
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Ah, I see, you're an expert! Was it still the size of a beached whale? Were ya there when the gas escaped? It's a wonderful smell! Kind of a cross between a dead skunk, that's been out on the road for a week, and septic tank!
Back in the days when my back didn't look like a hardware store, I did volunteer work with Search and Rescue up here. I've seen my share of bodies! Most were drownings as there's a body of water nearly every square mile up here in the spring.
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I forgot to mention, if we found 'em in the lake, the fish had already started eatin' the best parts. I'll leave it to you to figure out what those were!
Been on one search and recover dive. It was winter time and the body was weighted down with clothes/etc.. Murky water, visibility about 18", body been in the water well over a week....12 year old girl...bumped into her face to face.....did you know you can hurl up big chunks of hamburger and tomatoes thru your mouth piece?
Went on one other in fast water...cold as hell...move the line 3' and cross river...move line 3' and go back across river and get out, warm up....I got out and on the next run the next fellow found him.....that one had been in the water almost 3 weeks.
Almost 50 years ago I was there when they pulled a car out of the river....had a woman in it that had been missing for a week or two....the catfish had almost finished her.
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Been on one search and recover dive. It was winter time and the body was weighted down with clothes/etc.. Murky water, visibility about 18", body been in the water well over a week....12 year old girl...bumped into her face to face.....did you know you can hurl up big chunks of hamburger and tomatoes thru your mouth piece?
Went on one other in fast water...cold as hell...move the line 3' and cross river...move line 3' and go back across river and get out, warm up....I got out and on the next run the next fellow found him.....that one had been in the water almost 3 weeks.
Almost 50 years ago I was there when they pulled a car out of the river....had a woman in it that had been missing for a week or two....the catfish had almost finished her.
Up here we have Mackinaw and Kamloop land locked Steelhead. You'd swear the sharks had been at 'em! The appendages always go first! It's definitely a pic your mind takes and files for future resource! I have know idea why that happens, as I don't think I need that particular reference information, but the mind doesn't let you forget nasty!
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Never had to do the underwater stuff, thank the Good Lord! I was on the treble hook draggin' crew better than a dozen times. The divers were always hopin' we'd find 'em first! After seein' them losin' there lunch, and your description, I understand why! It's a wonder ya didn't drown yourself when ya went eye to eye, so to speak!
I should also add, "Toots" was much better at the grizzly stuff than I was! Of course she watches those damn surgery shows on the Discovery Channel, too! Something I avoid at all costs!
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Up here we have Mackinaw and Kamloop land locked Steelhead. You'd swear the sharks had been at 'em! The appendages always go first! It's definitely a pic your mind takes and files for future resource! I have know idea why that happens, as I don't think I need that particular information, but the mind doesn't let you forget nasty!
Seen a couple people trapped in cars burn to death years ago....the mind will bring back those screams every once in awhile.
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Seen a couple people trapped in cars burn to death years ago....the mind will bring back those screams every once in awhile.
When I was about 19, I witnessed a tanker truck avoid creamin' another car. He did everything he could to keep from just annihilating a little Toyota on the Riverside freeway.
Unfortunately, it took him over the side and pinned him in the truck and it caught fire! It was only about half full and within a few minutes there was nothing anybody could do! The Firetrucks were still 20 minutes out!
I could hear him beggin' the cop, that was first on the scene to shoot him! I'll never forget that guys screams until the day I die!!!!!! I would have done the deed myself but I wasn't packin' that day as I was on my scooter. I've never been without since that day! Guns aren't just for protection!
Damn! That just bummed my day! Hadn't thought about it in years.
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When I was about 19, I witnessed a tanker truck avoid creamin' another car. He did everything he could to keep from just annihilating a little Toyota on the Riverside freeway.
Unfortunately, it took him over the side and pinned him in the truck and it caught fire! It was only about half full and within a few minutes there was nothing anybody could do! The Firetrucks were still 20 minutes out!
I could hear him beggin' the cop, that was first on the scene to shoot him! I'll never forget that guys screams until the day I die!!!!!! I would have done the deed myself but I wasn't packin' that day as I was on my scooter. I've never been without since that day! Guns aren't just for protection!
Damn! That just bummed my day! Hadn't thought about it in years.
I know what you mean.
I've never been in a war zone (never seen 'hot' combat). The few bad things I have seen gives me just a small inkling of what some have seen and live with. Makes me appreciate them even more.