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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on October 02, 2010, 06:33:59 PM
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A thread of the most insane of your demented lot trying to figure out why.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9243049
stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 04:48 PM
Original message
I hate to say this, but this 'One Nation Rally' is a disaster.
The attendance is way below expectations.
The organization is terrible.
George Clinton and Parliament? Okay.
Every interest group sends up someone to hump their cause. There's no organized effort at all. It appears that we are divided on everything.
Don't shoot the messenger, but we look really, really bad.
It is an embarrassment.
That's the best we can do?
Honestly, I think progressives and liberals look bad because of this.
What exactly is the point of this rally? We're just going to be vilified in the right-wing press for it. It's a loser. The teabaggers and the media are going to have a field day with this.
One Nation?
We sure didn't come off like that today.
I hoped for something much more. It was AWFUL. I'm embarrassed, frankly.
Am I wrong here?
To be sure, I praise those who made the effort to go there. I'm really sad that you wasted your time.
And for the poseurs like a certain fat redhead egotistical radio host who promised much more than he could deliver, thanks a pile.
Wow, what a disappointment. Can't we do better than this?
I sure hope people get out and vote, but nothing that happened today gives me any confidence that enough Dems an independents will turn out.
There, I said it. Flame on. We're really in trouble here.
I expect for telling the truth, this thread will be locked.
proud patriot (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 04:52 PM
Response to Original message
3. Wow , I got the exact opposite feeling from it
I feel energized and inspired . The unity of the different groups was beautiful IMO.
I was dancing in my living room to bringing in the funk .
That would make you an idiot.
kentuck (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 04:55 PM
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6. No doubt, if it had been pushed by FOX News and Sean Hannity...
for a couple of months continuously, there probably would have been a larger turnout? But there was nowhere near the same publicity. True, Democrats have many varied interests. Tea Baggers are against government and Barack Hussein Obama.
Even with freebies your ilk is too lazy to do anything.
KoKo (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
68. Yep...Repub owned Koch/Murdoch/Wall St. Media promoted Tea Bag "gathering"...but Dems don't have any
Edited on Sat Oct-02-10 05:55 PM by KoKo
folks pushing this. Labor and others were told to have a "low voice." That there was labor there at all is a good thing...but when you are told to "cool it" you aren't going to get the publicity this should have gotten. MSNBC did cover it...to be fair...I didn't check CNN because I rarely watch them.
Ed Schultz was promoting it on his radio show heavily. But, without funding for a blitz of the media and a split Dem Party...most folks would seem to prefer a comedian's gathering over the "regular folks" like Black Church folks who are trying to send Obama a message and labor which is torn.
The publicity sucked...because we just don't have a Murdoch, Koch Bros., Mellon-Scaife and many Big Guns on Wall St. promoting..
What a mess. I was proud to see all those people out there though! For that number of people to get on buses or drive to be there says there's something going on that could be built upon. Maybe more "staying power" than "Tea Party/Baggers" for the long haul ahead.
At least we should hope.
Ya think that maybe every socialist or communist group in the country signing on dampered some of the half sane from associating?
nc4bo (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 04:55 PM
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7. Well to be honest, the teabagger rally wasn't all that imho.
Bunch of crazy crackers whose attendance was constantly being exaggerated by media.
Of course we didn't have any crotch burning, fake eyeglass wearing fools like Palin on parade either.
A lie is a lie fool.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Well, it's okay if we disagree on this.
I think, with respect, that you are wrong.
This was an important meeting for the progressive movement and the real big tent.
There is this: the progressive movement in this country is going around the corporate media. That may be the single most important thing we can do right now. And from the looks of the speakers' roster and the media at the event, we have a great deal of continuity with key players.
Today was an impressive display of unity and continuity.
Let's see how we do.
Once again Beth you prove yourself to be as stupid as one can be.
We on the right didn`t care or even take note of this,you marxists are lamenting or fantasizing about turnout numbers...the pics tell the tale.
hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #28
46. It wasn't hyped as some rebirth of MLK's I Had a Dream Speech
or the second coming of Christ... Was your expectation along the lines of the Beck Teabagger's moment? There were more people there today, from what I have heard reported, but no, it was not hyped the same way and as usual, the press has not covered it at any degree close to that which they do for the Teabaggers.
Make yourself BELIEVE!!
Quantess (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:02 PM
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14. It couldn't possibly make us look worse than the Beck rally made RWers look.
They won that prize.
Wrong. :loser:
stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #59
66. Okay.
How many?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6911YX20101002
Denise Gray-Felder, a spokeswoman for the organizers of the rally, estimated that 175,000 to 200,000 people attended.
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Now, we had people who GUARANTEED a turnout of 300K +.
Looking at the pics, I doubt it was 1/2 even the optimistic estimate by Ms. Gray-Felder.
It just amazes me that so many here can't look at this objectively.
It didn't meet expectations.
Why do people go to such lengths to deny that?
You are not long for the world.
Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:08 PM
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22. Well, I'm here and it was successful.
But I wasn't expecting too much. I think the message was not clarified enough.
There were as many if not more people at the height of the day as were at the Beck rally.
I'll be here for the Colbert and Stewart rallies, too, and between the two/three of them, the Beck rally will fade to nothing, and maybe that's the best we can expect.
In other words...
"Damn this thing sucked"
pa28 (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:08 PM
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23. Don't seal up the doors and turn on the gas just yet.
We have a month before the election and the public is just now starting to pay attention. What happened today was just a predictably lame rally that will be forgotten by everybody, including the critics, in a day or two.
Hope and change dude,proved right before...oh wait a minute
old mark (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:16 PM
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35. The thing was we got almost zero publicity and coverage by the MSM.
Maybe we should start paying some of the networks under the table like the GOP does and things might be a little more "fair"...
On the other hand, the thing was to get Liberals/Democrats to vote, and I hope we are doing that...and I don't give a damn if the GOP is aware we are all voting or not, in fact I'd love it to be a surprise when they lose again.
mark
Perhaps because it was endorsed by every socialist/communist organization in America there is...you couldn`t have paid a politically aloof media lib to mention it.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. We got almost zero publicity and it didn't matter.
Imagine if the corporate media ignored one of our events and nobody noticed.
They are making themselves obsolete.
Had to check,yep...you are still the stupidest person on the planet.
NewEngland4Obama (241 posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:20 PM
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38. Sounds like the Republicans are getting scared. So far its
been pretty good!!!
We are all so scared we are laughing,bank it.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 05:46 PM
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63. "The attendance is way below expectations."
"It is an embarrassment."
Tens Of Thousands Of Progressives Rally At The Lincoln Memorial For Jobs, Justice And Education
Teamsters March on Washington for Jobs
‘America is One Nation and We Signify that Nation’
WSJ:
The U.S. park police didn't release crowd numbers, in keeping with the agency's policy. The event permit called for 100,000 people, and rally sponsors paid for Washington's public transportation system to open early Saturday morning. As of 1 p.m. the crowd had filled, but not packed, much of the National Mall.
Links in the post are regarding less then hoped turnout.
Lurking DUmmies a word.
You had your shot and even with bussed in whackos you could not match what the conservative movement is.
See your fate in the pics posted at different places and be afraid.
Be very afraid.
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Yes, this "progressive rally" has me shaking. I am SO fearful of the election that is 30 days away.
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 04:52 PM
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3. Wow , I got the exact opposite feeling from it
I feel energized and inspired . The unity of the different groups was beautiful IMO.
I was dancing in my living room to bringing in the funk .
To steal a line from Seinfeld...I bet that looked like a dry heave set to music.
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Dummy on the watch list?
Imajika (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 07:02 PM
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90. I knew the crowd estimate would end up being the main story...
...so I watched pretty closely on CSPAN, MSNBC and clips on CNN and online news.
From what I saw, the event seemed to peak between 1-2PM. CBS commissioned a crowd estimate for Beck's rally:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544....
So CBS says Beck got approx 87,000. From what I could tell, and comparing what I could see from the video of this crowd compared with Beck's crowd, I would have to say Beck's rally was considerably bigger. My guess is that this rally had around half the attendance of the Beck rally - so around 43,500. Round up and say 45K. 45K is not bad at all. Considering the months and months of promotion Beck's rally got and all the money poured in to get their people out compared with how little promotion our rally got, and I think the turnout wasn't bad.
As far as the speakers go, I thought they were really good the first 1 hour or so. It felt like the crowd broke up far too early though and left some of the speakers later in the day talking to a very diminished crowd. I felt a little bad for George Clinton because there was so few people remaining when they played at the end.I agree, we really need to speak on one topic with one voice. I know we had like 400 groups turning out people, and each group wants a slot, but it is just too much. It reminds me of the anti war rallies that fall off the main point most people think the rally will be about, and degenerate into "free mumia", "free the Cuban 5", etc, etc. For these rallies to really be effective, we need to speak with one voice on one topic. Perhaps the theme could just be "No going back" or something like that. We pick the very best, most influential speakers and give them more time to really give significant, newsworthy speeches, then end the rally earlier so we don't have images of people leaving during speeches and large chunks of lawn for a couple hours.
If you watched just the last hour or so, I can see how you'd be a bit depressed. However, if you watched the first hour or two, I don't see anything to be upset about. The initial speakers were inspirational, the crowd looked good, and the diversity looked great and stands in stark contrast to Beck's whitefolksonly rally.
A rally like this also helps with the GOTV effort. It is like a trial run for the election. Gets all of our groups coordinated and ready to work together. Overall, I think this rally was a pretty big success. You've no reason to be disappointed in my opinion.
Clinton Sucked. The garage band next door doesn't sound that bad. :rotf:
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts)
Sat Oct-02-10 04:48 PM
Original message
I hate to say this, but this 'One Nation Rally' is a disaster.
The attendance is way below expectations.
The organization is terrible.
George Clinton and Parliament? Okay.
Every interest group sends up someone to hump their cause. There's no organized effort at all. It appears that we are divided on everything.
Don't shoot the messenger, but we look really, really bad.
It is an embarrassment.
That's the best we can do?
Honestly, I think progressives and liberals look bad because of this.
What exactly is the point of this rally? We're just going to be vilified in the right-wing press for it. It's a loser. The teabaggers and the media are going to have a field day with this.
One Nation?
We sure didn't come off like that today.
I hoped for something much more. It was AWFUL. I'm embarrassed, frankly.
Am I wrong here?
To be sure, I praise those who made the effort to go there. I'm really sad that you wasted your time.
And for the poseurs like a certain fat redhead egotistical radio host who promised much more than he could deliver, thanks a pile.
Wow, what a disappointment. Can't we do better than this?
I sure hope people get out and vote, but nothing that happened today gives me any confidence that enough Dems an independents will turn out.
There, I said it. Flame on. We're really in trouble here.
I expect for telling the truth, this thread will be locked.
Finally some honesty! :clap:
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Primitives, the problem with your rally isn't that people showed or didn't show - its WHO showed that matters. Its been our contention that your party is nothing more than socialists, commies, dirty hippies and union thugs, and that the Democrat brand no longer applies to normal everyday people. Your rally proved that.
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Primitives, the problem with your rally isn't that people showed or didn't show - its WHO showed that matters. Its been our contention that your party is nothing more than socialists, commies, dirty hippies and union thugs, and that the Democrat brand no longer applies to normal everyday people. Your rally proved that.
Glenn Beck covered the sponsors on his show a couple of times I think. Unfortunately, the MSM that did cover it will avoid that like the plague.
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Primitives, the problem with your rally isn't that people showed or didn't show - its WHO showed that matters. Its been our contention that your party is nothing more than socialists, commies, dirty hippies and union thugs, and that the Democrat brand no longer applies to normal everyday people. Your rally proved that.
Hit the nail on the head!
The thing I found most interesting is that I thought this was supposed to be a rally about jobs? seems like everything politically correct was covered except for jobs. Do you guys really think that people who are out of work, who can't pay their bills, who are scared, do you really think they give a hoot about transgender rights? legalizing illegals? NO! Your message resonates with the 20% of the population who consider themselves Regressive, but that's it, the Independents who voted for Democrats in 2006 and 2008 have had enough, your message doesn't resonate with them, with the majority. It's a bitter pill to swallow but you're not all that. You do nothing but delude yourselves, how can you not when you isolate yourselves with others who share your ideology, you have absolutely no idea what the average person thinks, and it's because you don't care or you can't handle the truth.
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Primitives, the problem with your rally isn't that people showed or didn't show - its WHO showed that matters. Its been our contention that your party is nothing more than socialists, commies, dirty hippies and union thugs, and that the Democrat brand no longer applies to normal everyday people. Your rally proved that.
On reading this reality sets in for stevedeshazer who runs some warm water in the tub as he strokes his straight edge razor. Remember steve go down the road not across the lane. :-)
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To steal a line from Seinfeld...I bet that looked like a dry heave set to music.
:rotf: H5
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http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2010/10/i-hate-to-say-this-but-this-one-nation.html
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 04:52 PM
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3. Wow , I got the exact opposite feeling from it
I feel energized and inspired . The unity of the different groups was beautiful IMO.
I was dancing in my living room to bringing in the funk .
That would make you an idiot.
Love it. That, my friend,....earned you a H5!! :hi5: :hi5: :cheersmate:
She must have been "grooving to the funk" in between the cheetos and bong hits. ****in' stupid hippe! :loser: :bird:
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Amy pics of the landfill left behind by the nuts on parade ?
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Amy pics of the landfill left behind by the nuts on parade ?
Plenty:
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/one-nation-of-moonbats-march-on-washington/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZCWFBJ1nwA&feature=player_embedded
http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.com/2010/10/one-nation-of-commies-unions-other.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCcwXlvb74Y&feature=player_embedded
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Zeus - Check the "One Nation" thread. There are a handful of them. The place looks awful.
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Plenty:
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/one-nation-of-moonbats-march-on-washington/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZCWFBJ1nwA&feature=player_embedded
http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.com/2010/10/one-nation-of-commies-unions-other.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCcwXlvb74Y&feature=player_embedded
Zeus - Check the "One Nation" thread. There are a handful of them. The place looks awful.
Got 'em thanks :cheersmate:
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Zeus - Check the "One Nation" thread. There are a handful of them. The place looks awful.
It does look awful. That's what happens when commies come to Washington. :bird: :censored:
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Some nimrod at crooksandliars.com said the crowd estimate was 175,000-200,000.
They banned me when I asked if Lancet counted them.
:clueless:
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I'll be here for the Colbert and Stewart rallies, too, and between the two/three of them, the Beck rally will fade to nothing, and maybe that's the best we can expect.
I predict that the DUmmies will add together the numbers from this rally...plus Colbert's and Stewarts and use that as proof positive that the Libs had a bigger turnout than what showed up at the Beck rally.
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Some nimrod at crooksandliars.com said the crowd estimate was 175,000-200,000.
They banned me when I asked if Lancet counted them.
:clueless:
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao:
Check the :hi5: total--one more given!
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The glaring contrast between the 2 groups is at the Beck rally hotels were booked, restaurants were full, airlines cabs and the city benefited. These asshats, not so much. Ain't that the difference between libs and conservatives!
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I have it on Good Authority that the crowd count was 66,890,137.
Which is coincidentally the same exact precise number of Europeans who died of bubonic plague during the Black Death 1347-1349.
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I am still waiting for the mighty satellite photo that proves the sheer awesomeness of this rally... :rotf:
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I am still waiting for the mighty satellite photo that proves the sheer awesomeness of this rally... :rotf:
The number of garbage trucks used to haul off the trash is the only area the DUmmies bested BecK.
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This is the only site I have found that has a comparison and it is just beautiful...if you are not a DUchebag.
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=37621
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This is the only site I have found that has a comparison and it is just beautiful...if you are not a DUchebag.
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=37621
Ya gotta love this comment:
The union folks were not just given a box lunch and a free bus pass. Many of them were given this:
How much weer they paid?
$60 and a tee shirt. While listening to a local call-in show yesterday, a man from a Pennsylvania union called in and said that his union contacted hundreds of unemployed members and offered them $60 and a tee shirt, plus bonuses for holding signs and standing in pickets. He said that everyone who rode down on the buses with him were paid and he knew that other affiliated unions were doing the same. He also mentioned that he was given both communist and socialist newsletters and propaganda at the event.
No wonder the Unions want their pensions bailed out.
doc
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To steal a line from Seinfeld...I bet that looked like a dry heave set to music.
I was thinking more like a spastic seizure or Saint Vitus' Dance.
But that's just me :rotf:
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This is the only site I have found that has a comparison and it is just beautiful...if you are not a DUchebag.
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=37621
Comment from that link:
The union folks were not just given a box lunch and a free bus pass. Many of them were given this:
How much weer they paid?
$60 and a tee shirt. While listening to a local call-in show yesterday, a man from a Pennsylvania union called in and said that his union contacted hundreds of unemployed members and offered them $60 and a tee shirt, plus bonuses for holding signs and standing in pickets. He said that everyone who rode down on the buses with him were paid and he knew that other affiliated unions were doing the same. He also mentioned that he was given both communist and socialist newsletters and propaganda at the event.
No wonder the Unions want their pensions bailed out.
LOL I swear I didn't read past the link before posting my post. Great minds and all that. :-*
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The union folks were not just given a box lunch and a free bus pass. Many of them were given this:
How much weer they paid?
$60 and a tee shirt. While listening to a local call-in show yesterday, a man from a Pennsylvania union called in and said that his union contacted hundreds of unemployed members and offered them $60 and a tee shirt, plus bonuses for holding signs and standing in pickets.
HA HA!! They had to pay these people to go and it was still a lower turn out then 8/28! :lmao: :rotf:
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I predict that the DUmmies will add together the numbers from this rally...plus Colbert's and Stewarts and use that as proof positive that the Libs had a bigger turnout than what showed up at the Beck rally.
So then they can truthfully say they had another five people show up?
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The island is very quiet today. :-)
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after looking at the most crowded photo there is on the intertubes (looking down The Mall to the Lincoln Memorial) I have determined that the photo was snapped at about noon by reading the shadows from the trees along the left hand side. The picture is looking westward, the shadows are almost straight to the north, making it noon)
Noon marked the start of the official event -
the previous four or so hours were filled with marches and demonstrations for pretty much every leftist cause.
So, that crap about this picture being taken at sunrise, is crap. Period.
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They found the GIF that switches back and forth with pics from the Washington Monument of Becks rally and theirs. They get quiet when they get depressed. :-)
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-02-10 04:55 PM
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7. Well to be honest, the teabagger rally wasn't all that imho.
Bunch of crazy crackers whose attendance was constantly being exaggerated by media.
Of course we didn't have any crotch burning, fake eyeglass wearing fools like Palin on parade either.
Racist much??? :censored: :bird:
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Ballygrl, your post on page 1 got you a H5, well said!
Fox did a couple "man on the street" kind of things on Sunday. I couldn't make head nor tail what the people were trying to say.