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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: gore_bites on September 30, 2010, 07:00:43 PM
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Link - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9232116
The purpose of the survey is to collect some data to help us figure out who our members are, and how you feel about Democratic Underground. We want as many people as possible to take it, so we can get a really good sample. We hope that the results help give us some idea of where we go from here. This survey is open to all active DU members who registered before August 20, 2010 (the date when we first announced the survey).
Please be aware that this survey was not drawn up professionally; it is merely a series of questions that the DU Administrators would like answers to.
Your responses to this survey are anonymous. Neither your username nor any other personally identifiable information will be saved along with your answers, so the administrators will not be able to figure out how you or any other individual responded to the questions. The usernames of members who have taken the survey are saved separately, to ensure that each member takes the survey only one time.
The survey will be available for two weeks, until 11:59 PM Pacific Time, Thursday October 14, 2010. After that time, no more responses will be accepted.
As much as possible, we want the survey to be "fresh" for each member, and we do not want chatter or spin on the site to influence the way people respond. Therefore, while you are permitted to discuss the survey in this thread, the moderators have been instructed to delete any posts about the survey if they are posted anywhere else. This restriction will be lifted once the survey has been completed in two weeks time.
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David Allen (Skinner)
Dave Allsopp (EarlG)
Brian Leitner (Elad)
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I can't wait to see the results......
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I wonder if it is as long and confusing as the New Rules unveiled earlier this year?
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Someone with a mole has to take it and tell us what is in it.
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I would advise any mole that takes it, Wait a few days before reporting anything. If there are just a few who have filled out the survey at the time of the post, it makes it easier for Skins & co. to identify you.
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^good call.
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I would advise any mole that takes it, Wait a few days before reporting anything. If there are just a few who have filled out the survey at the time of the post, it makes it easier for Skins & co. to identify you.
Naw, just answer like your left wing nutty aunt and you'll be fine!
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2010 Member Survey
Thank you for taking the 2010 Democratic Underground Member Survey. The purpose of the survey is to collect some data to help us figure out who our members are, and how you feel about Democratic Underground. We want as many people as possible to take it, so we can get a really good sample. We hope that the results help give us some idea of where we go from here. This survey is open to all active DU members who registered before August 20, 2010 (the date when we first announced the survey).
Please be aware that this survey was not drawn up professionally; it is merely a series of questions that the DU Administrators would like answers to.
Your responses to this survey are anonymous. Neither your username nor any other personally identifiable information will be saved along with your answers, so the administrators will not be able to figure out how you or any other individual responded to the questions. The usernames of members who have taken the survey are saved separately, to ensure that each member takes the survey only one time.
The survey will be available for two weeks, until 11:59 PM Pacific Time, Thursday October 14, 2010. After that time, no more responses will be accepted.
As much as possible, we want the survey to be "fresh" for each member, and we do not want chatter or spin on the site to influence the way people respond. Therefore, while you are permitted to discuss the survey in this thread, the moderators have been instructed to delete any posts about the survey if they are posted anywhere else. This restriction will be lifted once the survey has been completed in two weeks time.
Thank you for taking the time to take our survey.
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Democratic Underground ain't broke. Don't fix it!
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Is there anything else you would like to tell the DU Administrators? (200 character maximum. Be as brief as possible.)
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Thanks for the info, BattleHymn. I was planning to answer the survey but was also curious about what types of questions they were asking beforehand.
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Is there anything else you would like to tell the DU Administrators? (200 character maximum. Be as brief as possible.)
:lmao:
How the hell could you not be brief? 200 characters?! pullleaze!
Silence, proles! 200 character maximum dis goot for the Skinnersländ! (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/ignitethefire65/hitler.jpg)
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Well I did get to answer the survey before I got banned. Maybe that had something to do with my banning. However, I am quite sure it has more to do with me posting here. Let me add that me posting here isn't against DU rules. So, unless they made up some new rules...
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Thanks for the info, BattleHymn. I was planning to answer the survey but was also curious about what types of questions they were asking beforehand.
I'm torn on how to answer the survey, if at all. Is it worth it to throw a mole into the volcano? Should I answer the survey toting the party line? Should I answer the survey truthfully?
If the party liners are the majority of the survey takers, then the possibility of more primitives swimming off the island or getting tombstoned could happen.
Choices, choices. :popcorn:
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I'm torn on how to answer the survey, if at all. Is it worth it to throw a mole into the volcano? Should I answer the survey toting the party line? Should I answer the survey truthfully?
If the party liners are the majority of the survey takers, then the possibility of more primitives swimming off the island or getting tombstoned could happen.
Choices, choices. :popcorn:
It's easy to answer with a DUmp mindset. Depends on how much you want to try & tweak the admins. I'd be very careful in answering it.
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Your responses to this survey are anonymous. Neither your username nor any other personally identifiable
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I would not answer it, if you value your mole. What good could possibly come from it? Plenty of downside.
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Well I did get to answer the survey before I got banned. Maybe that had something to do with my banning. However, I am quite sure it has more to do with me posting here. Let me add that me posting here isn't against DU rules. So, unless they made up some new rules...
In case you missed it in the shoutbox I'm sorry. :blowkiss:
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In case you missed it in the shoutbox I'm sorry. :blowkiss:
I did miss it!! No need to be sorry, but thanks!! :cheersmate: I had a feeling it was coming. He could've given an explanation after 5 1/2 years of posting at that place. I am not upset by any means though. It has become an awful place.
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I did miss it!! No need to be sorry, but thanks!! :cheersmate: I had a feeling it was coming. He could've given an explanation after 5 1/2 years of posting at that place. I am not upset by any means though. It has become an awful place.
You're just 1 of a number or people booted. You can always register at OET at least if you want like-minded discussion.
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You're just 1 of a number or people booted. You can always register at OET at least if you want like-minded discussion.
Nah! I am done signing up at political forums. And I don't mind having discussions where I disagree with others. As long as it can remain respectful/civil. I will say that I have been treated better here than DU. Now isn't that strange? Ok, so maybe not in those early days here... :p
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Nah! I am done signing up at political forums. And I don't mind having discussions where I disagree with others. As long as it can remain respectful/civil. I will say that I have been treated better here than DU. Now isn't that strange? Ok, so maybe not in those early days here... :p
LOL, glad you fit in here.
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Well I did get to answer the survey before I got banned. Maybe that had something to do with my banning. However, I am quite sure it has more to do with me posting here. Let me add that me posting here isn't against DU rules. So, unless they made up some new rules...
I'm stunned you made it as long as you have.
Frankly, I don't trust this survey, nor do I trust DU's motive behind it. Even though Skins did state that those taking the survey would not be tagged with any personally identifiable markers that directly tie the participants to their answers, nowhere does skins mention a participant's IP number, and if that is recorded..
Then its a matter of taking the 'unidentifiable' IP address, and straining it through other software to determine what users on DU have used that IP recently. In the days of dialup and AOL, the results would have been a range of users. Nowadays most people's IP numbers seldom change. I have been using the one I have now for better than a year.
One of the things I have noticed about the survey, is it touches upon things that were covered in Skinner's final 'venting' thread -- things that were to be no longer discussed at DU. If you still support the forbidden positions, you are a rabble rouser and obviously need to be removed.
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I'm stunned you made it as long as you have.
Frankly, I don't trust this survey, nor do I trust DU's motive behind it. Even though Skins did state that those taking the survey would not be tagged with any personally identifiable markers that directly tie the participants to their answers, nowhere does skins mention a participant's IP number, and if that is recorded..
Then its a matter of taking the 'unidentifiable' IP address, and straining it through other software to determine what users on DU have used that IP recently. In the days of dialup and AOL, the results would have been a range of users. Nowadays most people's IP numbers seldom change. I have been using the one I have now for better than a year.
One of the things I have noticed about the survey, is it touches upon things that were covered in Skinner's final 'venting' thread -- things that were to be no longer discussed at DU. If you still support the forbidden positions, you are a rabble rouser and obviously need to be removed.
Yep, I totally agree. I think the survey may have been the last straw. I answered it honestly. It gave him more reason to boot me.
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A primitive speaks Troof-2-Moonbats... I am surprised they let this stand.
boppers (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-01-10 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #30
173. I AM a computer geek, and can tell you this:
There is no such thing as anonymity over the internet. Ever. Full stop.
What there is, however, is the ability to create scenarios that make it *really, really, annoying* to track someone down. They do explicitly note that they are tracking who takes the survey, and that, combined with log files, leaves enough of a trail with IP/post matching, to track you.
It really comes down to a matter of trust, and whether or not you trust the geeks of DU.
All that being said, your post does point out that certain groups on DU may be under-represented, specifically those who are *very* concerned about their anonymity.
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After the beginning thank you/love you spiel right before the survey begins they ask 2 qualifier questions. When you joined and your post count. They fill those in for you all ready with the year and the post total range (1-500, 500-1000, 1000-1500 ect).
Now, likes already been mentioned it's a trust thing but when they can plunder the DB to give you that info automatically up front before you even start you do have to wonder.
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A primitive speaks Troof-2-Moonbats... I am surprised they let this stand.
Well I took the survey this morning and got the boot this morning. Coincidence? Maybe. Doubtful.
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Where's the tough questions? These are a few of the questions I'd like to see answered.
1- When did you start using illegal drugs?
2- What drugs do you use?
3- Are you now or have you ever been under the care of a psychiatrist?
4- Are you now taking Dr. prescribed mine/mood altering drugs.
5- Do you currently have a job?
6- Have you ever held a job for more than a week?
7- Are you on welfare?
8- Are you on disability?
9- Do you receive foodstamps?
10- Do you benefit from other private charities?
11- Is your rent government subsidized?
12- How many abortions have you had?
13- What sex are you?
14- What race are you?
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Where's the tough questions? These are a few of the questions I'd like to see answered.
1- When did you start using illegal drugs?
2- What drugs do you use?
3- Are you now or have you ever been under the care of a psychiatrist?
4- Are you now taking Dr. prescribed mine/mood altering drugs.
5- Do you currently have a job?
6- Have you ever held a job for more than a week?
7- Are you on welfare?
8- Are you on disability?
9- Do you receive foodstamps?
10- Do you benefit from other private charities?
11- Is your rent government subsidized?
12- How many abortions have you had?
13- What sex are you?
14- What race are you?
#13 is going to be tough for the primitives. A simple 'M' or 'F' doesn't suffice for the creatures at the DUmp.
You need something akin to the number of letters in a can of alphabet soup to fully express what they purport themselves to be:
LGBTSGYWEROIULKJWTFBBQWAFFLEOIUOQOWE
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Well I took the survey this morning and got the boot this morning. Coincidence? Maybe. Doubtful.
Indeed- between the evidence you present, and my own experience with webhosting, I feel the best way to take this survey is not at all.
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I'm not into computer-speak LOL and I'm not registered over there so I can't take the survey, but what is it that people think this survey is revealing about people other than their answers?
Thanks!
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I'm not into computer-speak LOL and I'm not registered over there so I can't take the survey, but what is it that people think this survey is revealing about people other than their answers?
Thanks!
Probably the 200 words or less comment section. People will probably use that to sound off.
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Probably the 200 words or less comment section. People will probably use that to sound off.
Oh OK, it's kind of deceptive though to put up a survey and than people are going to be booted because they're being honest.
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Oh OK, it's kind of deceptive though to put up a survey and than people are going to be booted because they're being honest.
Sure it is. I think he's using it to get the people out that gives him headaches and don't worship him.
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Oh OK, it's kind of deceptive though to put up a survey and than people are going to be booted because they're being honest.
It wouldn`t be the first time at the DUmp,they are petty and cowards.
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I would advise any mole that takes it, Wait a few days before reporting anything. If there are just a few who have filled out the survey at the time of the post, it makes it easier for Skins & co. to identify you.
This is a huGH1!!1 mole trap. Scammer is trying out his new purity test plan.
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So after this survey, how many prims will remain? 10? 20?
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So after this survey, how many prims will remain? 10? 20?
The ones that still have cash to donate. :whistling:
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Sure it is. I think he's using it to get the people out that gives him headaches and don't worship him.
I wonder if it had something to do with your little stalker buddy.
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I wonder if it had something to do with your little stalker buddy.
I see that person has somewhat stayed away. Hahaha! It may. I am sure there were many PMs to Skinner about me posting here. So me posting here along with the survey got me the pizza. He's banned people for far less. And some of those were big donors. But Will Pitt who threatened death on someone came back. You see the consistency here? Me either. There is none.
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I see that person has somewhat stayed away. Hahaha! It may. I am sure there were many PMs to Skinner about me posting here. So me posting here along with the survey got me the pizza. He's banned people for far less. And some of those were big donors. But Will Pitt who threatened death on someone came back. You see the consistency here? Me either. There is none.
Err......he/she/it received the CC equivalent of a "pizza".....
doc
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Err......he/she/it received the CC equivalent of a "pizza".....
doc
How did I miss that? Well no wonder they've stopped stalking me! hahaha!! Awesome! :cheersmate:
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How did I miss that? Well no wonder they've stopped stalking me! hahaha!! Awesome! :cheersmate:
That event may have been what provoked you getting dumped from the DUmp.......however, I'm more inclined to believe that it was how you answered Skinner's "anonymous" questionaire......
He/she/it was warned.....
doc
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How did I miss that? Well no wonder they've stopped stalking me! hahaha!! Awesome! :cheersmate:
'Pizzas' aren't delivered here all that often, but when they are, rest assured dey be deeee-licious. :popcorn:
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'Pizzas' aren't delivered here all that often, but when they are, rest assured dey be deeee-licious. :popcorn:
They could've been more clever with their name, and maybe no one would've known. I agree with doc that it may have been part of the reason for my DU banning. That and that lovely survey. But I am with you, I thought I'd have been banned sooner.
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'Pizzas' aren't delivered here all that often, but when they are, rest assured dey be deeee-licious. :popcorn:
Now that you bring it up miskie, I'm not sure you could PAY me to be a moderator at the DUmp........the number of deleted posts, banned members, locked threads, etc. is astronomical considering the number of posters that they have........just kinda reinforces our position on the "quality" of the membership.
I've been a mod here for close to a year, and had ban capabilities for half that as a global mod, and I think I've used it twice.......I can count on one hand the number of threads that I've locked, I would guess the most frequent action for all of the staff here is merging duplicate threads, and moving them from one forum to another.......the membership should really give a "hat tip" to the Admins, as much goes on behind the scenes, as many trolls and spammers are intercepted before they ever post anything.
In the case of an existing member, there is a great deal of deliberation involving all of the staff before a "pizza" is delivered, it is not a decision that is arrived at without significant discussion and consideration.
doc