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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on September 30, 2010, 11:31:54 AM
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thesquanderer (508 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 07:49 AM
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Can't keep my old insurance? Updated at 7:49 AM
I just got an email from my employer, saying "With the beginning of the new insurance laws, Aetna is dropping small businesses in New York as of this Friday, Oct 1." So I am being moved to an Oxford/Liberty/United Healthcare HMO, and don't know yet if I'll be able to continue seeing my current doctor. (Though the plan is $100/month cheaper than what I had.)
Has anyone else here run into something like this?
What happened to "if you like the plan you have now, you can keep it?" I realize that was Obama's way of saying that the government isn't going to force you to change, but the end result of enacting policies that may prompt carriers to change what they offer is that, in effect, they are indeed forcing me to change. The law of unintended consequences strikes again.
I know the party line is that what we got, while not not as good as single-payer, is still better than what we had, and I'm sure in many cases it is, but at the moment, it doesn't look that way for me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9227722
Obama also said premiums were going to come down and we all would get a raise.
baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 07:57 AM
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1. That's Aetna's decision. It has nothing to do with the new insurance laws.
Your employer shouldn't have simply repeated Aetna's party line.
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thesquanderer (508 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 08:19 AM
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6. Nothing to do with it? Updated at 7:49 AM
Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 08:46 AM by thesquanderer
So you're saying that Aetna's decision was not influenced by the new laws? Odd timing if that's the case...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 09:48 AM
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13. Most employer-based insurance is renewed for the following year in either October or November. That
explains the timing of this announcement.
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See it isn't Obama's fault after all. :-)
crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 07:59 AM
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2. Conspicuously absent from this huge reform was an acknowledgement
that the insurance companies are going to strike back and make up for what they've lost, consumer be damned. When I consider this, and, say, Obama's reponse to the oil spill, it's hard not to believe that our president is either laughably naive about big business, or he isn't truly interested in the general welfare of american citizens. And how could somebody not foresee these "unintended" consequences? DUers surely did.
So you admit that Obama will be making them lose money and pass that on to us.
Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 10:30 AM
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15. No they are just using the reform law to justify their crap.
Dropping plans, raising rates, etc. are all standard practices. Now they just say "Obama made me do it".
And that will be accurate.
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some of the hidden effects, secret provisions, and unintended consequences of obamacare are coming to light just in time for the midterms.
not only was it sold as a huge lie, but it was crammed through congress by brute force using every underhanded gimmick imaginable.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 10:30 AM
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15. No they are just using the reform law to justify their crap.
Dropping plans, raising rates, etc. are all standard practices. Now they just say "Obama made me do it".
War on Stupidity lost his fight.
Hey shitbag, the insurance companies have to go to state regulatory boards and justify rate hikes with hard data.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Thu Sep-30-10 07:57 AM
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1. That's Aetna's decision. It has nothing to do with the new insurance lawsAnd Aetna did that because they're being forced to insure those with pre-exisiting conditions, and forced to cover adults up to 26 who should be on their own and paying for their own insurance yet they're not.
Your employer shouldn't have simply repeated Aetna's party line.Your employer shouldn't of told you the truth and let you live in lalala everything is fine land.
Fixed!
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Squanderer...what an appropriate handle for a DUer. And yes, my little DUmmie, if it's $100 less, you can be assured there is a reason it's $100 less, especially in the current medical expense environment.
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Truth be told, this year, the only changes that have to be made is waiving preexisting for kids under 19, and increasing the covered age of a dependant to 26. In Texas, that means one year of extra coverage, as our current coverage level is to 25. Insurance Companies and Employers, are using the fear of Obamacare because it is SO easy, to start padding things for 2012-14 when the SHTF. Can't say as I blame em.
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Truth be told, this year, the only changes that have to be made is waiving preexisting for kids under 19, and increasing the covered age of a dependant to 26. In Texas, that means one year of extra coverage, as our current coverage level is to 25. Insurance Companies and Employers, are using the fear of Obamacare because it is SO easy, to start padding things for 2012-14 when the SHTF. Can't say as I blame em.
Private insurers will be out of business in 6-7 years if Obamacare remains, so they're getting their money while the gettin's good.
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Private insurers will be out of business in 6-7 years if Obamacare remains, so they're getting their money while the gettin's good.
Exactly. Can't say I blame em. Smart business decision that is.
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Squanderer...what an appropriate handle for a DUer. And yes, my little DUmmie, if it's $100 less, you can be assured there is a reason it's $100 less, especially in the current medical expense environment.
This is all BS! Home Depot puts out their insurance for bids every year! Hell mine changed twice in 3 years! It goes to the lowest bidder offering basically the same shit!
This guy is an idiot or he hasn't paid attention to his Company Handbook. It states that they try to get the best deal from insurance companies every year in order to help their employees get the biggest bang for their buck!
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thesquanderer (508 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-30-10 07:49 AM
Original message
Can't keep my old insurance? Updated at 7:49 AM
I just got an email from my employer, saying "With the beginning of the new insurance laws, Aetna is dropping small businesses in New York as of this Friday, Oct 1." So I am being moved to an Oxford/Liberty/United Healthcare HMO, and don't know yet if I'll be able to continue seeing my current doctor. (Though the plan is $100/month cheaper than what I had.)
Has anyone else here run into something like this?
What happened to "if you like the plan you have now, you can keep it?" I realize that was Obama's way of saying that the government isn't going to force you to change, but the end result of enacting policies that may prompt carriers to change what they offer is that, in effect, they are indeed forcing me to change. The law of unintended consequences strikes again.
I know the party line is that what we got, while not not as good as single-payer, is still better than what we had, and I'm sure in many cases it is, but at the moment, it doesn't look that way for me.
Guess what DUmmies?!?! You guys/gals are the minions that dumbo wanted to pander to. If you think it's the insurance's fault, you're wrong. Soon we will all pay more because that dumbo added more to the pool, how does costs go down? I'm still scratching my head on that one. AND,...you will not be able to keep your doctor like the imposter occupying the White House said. How's that "hope and change" crap working out for ya DUmmies?! :censored: