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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on September 07, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
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Barack2theFuture (350 posts) Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
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*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
for the typical American family?
Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?
What?
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-07-10 12:02 PM
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1. Depends upon which family
The family that includes a gay service member will probably see DADT stay "on the books". HCR will probably be severely under funded, so there will almost assuredly be more people going without insurance that already are. There will be more tax cuts, and less spending of any sort, so unemployment will probably go back up.
Yeah, The Won is making lots of progress on DADT.
cleanhippie (786 posts) Tue Sep-07-10 12:02 PM
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I would think that things would continue in the downward spiral....
as they wring every last penny out of us and into the corporate coffers....
Obama and the Dems are doing that, so no change there.
Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-07-10 12:02 PM
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3. the losses will probably accelerate
The domino effect of not extending unemployment will kick it into high gear.
Stooooopid DUmmie. Just because the evil rethuglicans take back congress, they still can't pass any laws.
flamingdem (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-07-10 12:03 PM
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5. Your taxes will be MUCH HIGHER
but don't try to convince the Bush = Obama crowd of that or any of the other horrors we would face if the repukes take over.
Yeah, right. If the Demonrats had any idea about keeping the tax cuts in effect, they would have done so before the elections.
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The typical American family will be doing substantially better in the long run.
Next question, DUmmy?
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YOUR TAXES WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
Where do they come up with this stuff? :mental:
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YOUR TAXES WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
Where do they come up with this stuff? :mental:
The DUmmies think that Republicans will only give tax breaks to the very wealthy and the "scum" on Wall Street. :whatever: :mental:
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The typical American family will be doing substantially better in the long run.
Next question, DUmmy?
Yeah but it will be all because of the ground work of the donks and the messiah.
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On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility. On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.
There is a fundamental flaw in our tax structure since its so-called 'progressive' nature has created a situation where a majority of the voters don't actually pay taxes and so have no direct stake in keeping the scale of government expenditures in check. Since Congress as an institution generally has all the backbone of a flatworm in fixing structural issues they've created by past vote-buying, it seems unlikely to ever be fixed no matter which party wins, and so we are running on economic momentum rather than a sound taxation and fiscal policy basis.
Vox populi, vox dei, as far as they can wrap their chubby little minds around anything, and so ultimately the day will come when the demand for bread and circuses breaks the bank for keeps, with Congress wielding the hammer or at least willfully failing to keep it out of the wrong hands.
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Barack2theFuture (350 posts) Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
Original message
*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
for the typical American family?
Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?
What?
Let's put it this way, the stock market will be happy and businesses that actually provide jobs will be happy, and that happiness means more people going back to work, their homes will be saved because they have income coming in, they'll be able to put money into savings again, and terrorists won't be granted civil liberties, sounds like a win win to me.
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On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility.
This actually has a plus to it as well. IF the conservatives cannot get things like HCR repealed when the taxes go up it will be a lot harder to blame the tax increases on the new party in power.
My fear is when the conservatives get in power and start getting stuff fixed but the taxes go up due to the democrats playing around that O'bama and his minions will point and proclaim "We've got the economy back up and running but the new players on the block are running the taxes up"
This is a double edged sword.
KC
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Barack2theFuture (350 posts) Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
Original message
*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
for the typical American family?
Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?
What?
Actually all of the above will be saved with a Republican/Conservative sweep in 56 days.
Right now the only way the "typical American family" will lose those things is if the Dems retain control.
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I'll tell you what will happen if the republicans do not.
1. A 50% haircut in the stock market.
2. More business failures, much higher unemployment, and $3 trillion per year deficits.
3. 2 in 5 will be on government assistance.
4. Nuclear war in the Middle East.
5. Iraq falls to extremists.
6. Amnesty.
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From above;
Barack2theFuture (350 posts) Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
Original message
*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
for the typical American family?
Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?
What?
UMMMM,.........hey STUPID!! STUPID!! :loser:
Wake up! That is EXACTLY what is happening with the imposter, your Lord Nothing, is doing right now!!!! :bird: :censored:
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On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility. On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.
There is a fundamental flaw in our tax structure since its so-called 'progressive' nature has created a situation where a majority of the voters don't actually pay taxes and so have no direct stake in keeping the scale of government expenditures in check. Since Congress as an institution generally has all the backbone of a flatworm in fixing structural issues they've created by past vote-buying, it seems unlikely to ever be fixed no matter which party wins, and so we are running on economic momentum rather than a sound taxation and fiscal policy basis.
Vox populi, vox dei, as far as they can wrap their chubby little minds around anything, and so ultimately the day will come when the demand for bread and circuses breaks the bank for keeps, with Congress wielding the hammer or at least willfully failing to keep it out of the wrong hands.
Congress does hold the purse strings, so they can actually prevent the funding of some of this crap like health care reform.
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Congress does hold the purse strings, so they can actually prevent the funding of some of this crap like health care reform.
Very true, but with HCRA in particular most of the things they have to fund don't come up right away, thanks to the CBO's magic trick of evaluating out ten years to give it a 'Go' as soundly budgeted, knowing full well that the expenditures were all in the last six years of that ten so that the entire structure is knowingly built on a lie.
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On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility. On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.
Cant repeal it.. Can defund it. No money, no program.
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Very true, but with HCRA in particular most of the things they have to fund don't come up right away, thanks to the CBO's magic trick of evaluating out ten years to give it a 'Go' as soundly budgeted, knowing full well that the expenditures were all in the last six years of that ten so that the entire structure is knowingly built on a lie.
Very true. But there is enough budget shuffling necessary soon to still stop the program. These budget neutral years require 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' if that is derailed, that is the the same as defunding. And the attempted provision the Dems built in to prevent future congresses from being able to do just that was shot down.
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I'll tell you what will happen if the republicans do not.
1. A 50% haircut in the stock market.
Given regardless
2. More business failures, much higher unemployment, and $3 trillion per year deficits.
Given regardless
3. 2 in 5 will be on government assistance.
Go 3 in 5, regardless
4. Nuclear war in the Middle East.
Not yet, wait another 3 years, oh and that is going to happen anyway.
5. Iraq falls to extremists.
Already has, is there any large population in Iraq that isn't an extremist?
6. Amnesty.
By 2011, they aren't going to want to be here anyway
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Wanna bet?
KC
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Wanna bet?
KC
I'll bet you 1 oz troy silver :popcorn:
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I'll bet you 1 oz troy silver, send it to Frank to hold :popcorn:
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My opinion:
If the GOP retakes Congress, Obama will gain points among liberals like Clinton did, because he's the opposition President. People have short memories.
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My opinion:
If the GOP retakes Congress, Obama will gain points among liberals like Clinton did, because he's the opposition President. People have short memories.
Obama isn't Clinton, Clinton did a 180 when Republicans took control, Obama is too arrogant and elitist to ever do that.
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I think it spells the end of the Democratic party.
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I think it spells the end of the Democratic party.
Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.
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Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.
What are they going to find though during that soul searching? you have the vocal progressive part that blames the blue dogs and feel the party isn't left enough, than you have the blue dog types who think the party is way to progressive.
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What are they going to find though during that soul searching? you have the vocal progressive part that blames the blue dogs and feel the party isn't left enough, than you have the blue dog types who think the party is way to progressive.
It is an argument over fundraising. Let us not kid ourselves. Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.
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Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.
You think? You could be right. I have never seen so much defection and anger in the ranks, and it is very difficult to see what the next step might be. The "hope and change" thing won't fly again. On most issues of substance, they are indistinguishable from the Republicans.
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It is an argument over fundraising. Let us not kid ourselves. Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.
We definitely have our own internal problems between the right and RINO's. That's 1 reason why I never understood the outright hate the progressives have for conservatives, ideology aside we have quite a bit in common, we drive the primaries and when the people we fight and vote for get elected they throw us aside. We both have a common enemy and that's the "stick their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing moderate" the finger went your way in 2006 and 2008 and now it's swinging our way. I just wish they'd get off the fence and choose a side and stick with it.
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We definitely have our own internal problems between the right and RINO's. That's 1 reason why I never understood the outright hate the progressives have for conservatives, ideology aside we have quite a bit in common, we drive the primaries and when the people we fight and vote for get elected they throw us aside. We both have a common enemy and that's the "stick their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing moderate" the finger went your way in 2006 and 2008 and now it's swinging our way. I just wish they'd get off the fence and choose a side and stick with it.
I'm talking to you right now aren't I. We both have our issues with the status quo, the thinkers amongst us.
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Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.
You must first have a soul.
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You think? You could be right. I have never seen so much defection and anger in the ranks, and it is very difficult to see what the next step might be. The "hope and change" thing won't fly again. On most issues of substance, they are indistinguishable from the Republicans.
Health-coup reform
Cap and trade
Internationalism
Forcing workers into unions
Taking over corporations
Tax hikes
Coddling illegals
Gay marriage
The GZ Victory Mosque
Net Brutality
The Unfairness Doctrine
gun control
If you can't tell the difference you're head is either in the sand or a plastic bag.
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Health-coup reform
Cap and trade
Internationalism
Forcing workers into unions
Taking over corporations
Tax hikes
Coddling illegals
Gay marriage
The GZ Victory Mosque
Net Brutality
The Unfairness Doctrine
gun control
If you can't tell the difference you're head is either in the sand or a plastic bag.
I would add on there the numerous vacations while telling America to "sacrifice" and his shabby treatment and disdain for the very people who got him elected...the American Media.
Had he not pissed off the MSM we wouldn't hear anything but shiney happy touchy feely stories about this President similiar to what we saw during the campaign. No one would be there pulling the curtain away to reveal who Oz really os.
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It is an argument over fundraising. Let us not kid ourselves. Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.
Actually, I've never seen a movement like this in my lifetime. Ever. America is, and always has been, a center-right country. To not understand that is to not understand what makes America the shining city on the hill (provided it's not destroyed by the marxist in chief). People were absolutely bamboozled by this guy. He worked hard to portray himself as a centrist and was aided in his quest by a drooling, tingling press. Even they can't be happy with what a blithering idiot he's turned out to be, but I guess in order to save face they're still trying to prop him up. People are angry at having been duped. We've always been a nation of laws but now there's absolutely no checks on this government and laws and the constitution just don't matter to them.
While the powers that be and the left are trying to portray the Tea Party movement as something that comes from the far right, anyone attending a Tea Party event will see that's just not the case. Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are very concerned and more engaged than I've ever seen. In some ways it's more intense than that of the 60's. Even if you believe in the policies 0bama has wrought, if you're honest with yourself you'd have to admit how unconstitutional his government gone about enacting change. I thought Clinton lying under oath was the worst I'd ever see (I could care less if he was teabagging with Monica or if she was smoking cigars with her ta-ta) but he was pretty harmless compared to this group. I've never once been afraid for my country like I am now.
And it breaks my heart that my son (and those of other mothers) are serving a country that may no longer exist. It does give me hope that there are still so many patriots out there that love their country. Maybe all isn't lost yet.
Cindie
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Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.
They actually ARE the mainstream GOP. These are the Reagan Republicans who've had enough of their praty trying to be Democrat lite to make people "like" them.
They are tired of the ones they elect worrying more about whether they'll get invited to do the Sunday morning shows or get a pat on the head from the NY Times than doing what they were sent to D.C. to do.
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And it breaks my heart that my son (and those of other mothers) are serving a country that may no longer exist. It does give me hope that there are still so many patriots out there that love their country. Maybe all isn't lost yet.
Cindie
It irks the shit out of me as a soldier and as a father of a soon-to-be-18-year-old-who-wants-to-enlist that Obama is spending lives in Afghanistan to hold on to 3-points in the polls among independents with a blaring declaration that he has zero intention of fighting to destroy the Taliban. Just as the A-stan surge will be entering its crucial consolidation phase he is going to call it "good enough" and run while the country slides to the Taliban.
Hell, the surge doesn't even have a chance of working if those being left behind once we depart have to cut deals with the Taliban just so they can keep their heads.
These kids are being mutilated to death so Obama can hedge his polling numbers.
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It is an argument over fundraising. Let us not kid ourselves. Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.
I feel the TEA party is the resurgence of the Reagan Republicans, not the far right. Less taxes, smaller government.
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I feel the TEA party is the resurgence of the Reagan Republicans, not the far right. Less taxes, smaller government.
Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem. We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs. It is not just a democratic problem.
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Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem. We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs. It is not just a democratic problem.
No but in what you said yu just proved that it IS big government that causes the problems. If the government hadn't become so big and powerful...then these party leaders would think they are owed whatever it is they think they are owed.
Go back and study the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. They purposely in how the Constitution was written made the Federal branch weak.
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Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.
Hardly. The TEA Party has nothing to do with the GOP or fund raising. The "mainstream" GOP has wanted very little to do with the TEA Party to the point of making feeble attempts to publicly denigrate them.
The left has nothing like the TEA Party.
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Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem. We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs. It is not just a democratic problem.
The two go hand in hand. If it weren't for greedy politicians finding ways to screw the taxpayers out of more of their money, we wouldn't have the big government and corruption we do today.
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I'm talking to you right now aren't I. We both have our issues with the status quo, the thinkers amongst us.
True, but I find you more the exception.
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True, but I find you more the exception.
I think it is all about to unravel. Asking questions right now and talking is a good idea.
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I think the dems will believe that they haven't gone far enough to the left. Hopefully, they'll be in for a loooooooooong time in the wilderness.
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I think the dems will believe that they haven't gone far enough to the left. Hopefully, they'll be in for a loooooooooong time in the wilderness.
they've had that mistaken belief since Reagan got elected.
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Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem. We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs. It is not just a democratic problem.
No but in spite of all their rhetoric about "the culture of corruption" before they took over congress and then the WH, I'm sometimes just stunned at the overt corruption of the bunch currently in charge.
It's not just the corruption of the leaders, though that's certainly part of it. Government is too big. Salaries of government employees are double their private sector counterparts WHOSE WAGES PAY THEIR SALARIES. I'd bet at least half of them can be eliminated anyway. Nor should there be a public employees union. It's called government SERVICE. Public employee unions hold the American people hostage and their (govt. workers) sense of entitlement corrupts all levels of government.
Cindie
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It irks the shit out of me as a soldier and as a father of a soon-to-be-18-year-old-who-wants-to-enlist that Obama is spending lives in Afghanistan to hold on to 3-points in the polls among independents with a blaring declaration that he has zero intention of fighting to destroy the Taliban. Just as the A-stan surge will be entering its crucial consolidation phase he is going to call it "good enough" and run while the country slides to the Taliban.
Hell, the surge doesn't even have a chance of working if those being left behind once we depart have to cut deals with the Taliban just so they can keep their heads.
These kids are being mutilated to death so Obama can hedge his polling numbers.
Yeah. Professional Soldiers are used to being used as political pawns, but that doesn't mean they like it. Despite the senior military leadership's best efforts to put lipstick on a pig and work with what they've got, it's abundantly clear to anyone smarter than a second lieutenant (I.e. almost everyone) that the political leadership isn't "In it to win it." It's damned tough to look guys in the eye and ask them to risk their lives in that kind of environment, but if you don't, it just makes the butcher's bill higher.
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On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility. On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.
There is a fundamental flaw in our tax structure since its so-called 'progressive' nature has created a situation where a majority of the voters don't actually pay taxes and so have no direct stake in keeping the scale of government expenditures in check. Since Congress as an institution generally has all the backbone of a flatworm in fixing structural issues they've created by past vote-buying, it seems unlikely to ever be fixed no matter which party wins, and so we are running on economic momentum rather than a sound taxation and fiscal policy basis.
Vox populi, vox dei, as far as they can wrap their chubby little minds around anything, and so ultimately the day will come when the demand for bread and circuses breaks the bank for keeps, with Congress wielding the hammer or at least willfully failing to keep it out of the wrong hands.
I believe the "Pubbies" can refuse to fund many of the programs in the O'Bummer HCP, thus it will be dead in the water! At least without Bummer's "bureaucracies" it will be impossible to implement. At least that's the take I get on it.
ETA:
Many of the things that were supposed to have already been under way have been postponed due to the Dems not forming committees. If we de-fund the committee, nothin' starts! After all, no congress critter is goin' to work on these committees without the green!
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I believe the "Pubbies" can refuse to fund many of the programs in the O'Bummer HCP, thus it will be dead in the water! At least without Bummer's "bureaucracies" it will be impossible to implement. At least that's the take I get on it.
Exactly right. Also, they can attach a repeal to any and every piece of legislation that moves through the two houses of Congress, thus effectively shutting down the government. I think they just may try to pull this off,a nd if they do, they'll win.
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Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem. We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs. It is not just a democratic problem.
Actually, it is the problem.
Just like a small fire is easier to contain and control than a large one, so is government.
Big Government=Big Corruption
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Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.
Yes, and they will come to the exact same conclusion as always.
They failed to get their message out.
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I'm thinking that as a whole ,WE the people have been lax in keeping our so called elected representatives in line for many,many years. We should shoulder some of the blame when at least 50% of the countries population failed to vote for any reason. The rest lies with the greedy and corrupt asshats in DC that think they can just sit on their backsides and do what ever they please. We the people are waking up but we also need to keep those that are elected held responsible for their **** ups.
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Yes, and they will come to the exact same conclusion as always.
They failed to get their message out.
Indeed - the left's reason for failure is always diagnosed as not being left enough by Democrat party leaders. So they go further left and get louder about it.
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Indeed - the left's reason for failure is always diagnosed as not being left enough by Democrat party leaders. So they go further left and get louder about it.
I don't know what you guys are talking about, they actually sold the country out to a middleman in HCR.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, they actually sold the country out to a middleman in HCR.
Every single time the Socialist policies onf the left fail to get passed or don't gain traction with the public...the first response is ALWAYS..."we didn't do a good enough job of getting our message out". I've seen political campaign managers bemoan the fact his party or his candidate lost was because they weren't Liberal enough.
Every single time they continually fail to see the problem is their policies not the people.
They are being rejected precisely because of the message they are putting out.
But they never see it.
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Every single time the Socialist policies onf the left fail to get passed or don't gain traction with the public...the first response is ALWAYS..."we didn't do a good enough job of getting our message out". I've seen political campaign managers bemoan the fact his party or his candidate lost was because they weren't Liberal enough.
Every single time they continually fail to see the problem is their policies not the people.
They are being rejected precisely because of the message they are putting out.
But they never see it.
Health Care Reform was written by the insurance industry lobbyist. The person who is most responsible for the language of the bill was the General Council for Well Point and was hired by Max Baucus. She is also the top pick of the President to implement said bill.
Is the General Council for Well Point a communist mole.
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Health Care Reform was written by the insurance industry lobbyist. The person who is most responsible for the language of the bill was the General Council for Well Point and was hired by Max Baucus. She is also the top pick of the President to implement said bill.
You have proof of this that you can link to? Otherwise you're just talking out your ass to defend "your guy" and shield him from taking responsibility.
ANd even if what you claim is true...the President and Congress didn't have to pass it. It was even MORE unpopular with the American people this time around than it was in 94.
Only BillyJeff had the smarts to put it on the shelf.
Face it...the Democrat Party has been trying to force us into Socialized Medicine since about 1972.
It's been a goal of the Democrat Party...a plank in their platform for as long as I've been alive.
They finally forced their dream on the rest of us. And despite what sycophants like you try to spin to the rest of us...this wasn't some evil machination of the Big Insurance or Big Pharma.
Why would the be behind something that's detremental to their bottom line?
Is the General Council for Well Point a communist mole.
This coming from the guy who claims that the U.S. is Socialist in nature.
:whatever:
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You have proof of this that you can link to? Otherwise you're just talking out your ass to defend "your guy" and shield him from taking responsibility.
ANd even if what you claim is true...the President and Congress didn't have to pass it. It was even MORE unpopular with the American people this time around than it was in 94.
Only BillyJeff had the smarts to put it on the shelf.
Face it...the Democrat Party has been trying to force us into Socialized Medicine since about 1972.
It's been a goal of the Democrat Party...a plank in their platform for as long as I've been alive.
They finally forced their dream on the rest of us. And despite what sycophants like you try to spin to the rest of us...this wasn't some evil machination of the Big Insurance or Big Pharma.
Why would the be behind something that's detremental to their bottom line?
This coming from the guy who claims that the U.S. is Socialist in nature.
:whatever:
Democracy has a component of socialism. I never said the entire country is socialist. What I said is there is a balance between socialist institutions and private institutions in the country.
Look up Liz Fowler
http://www.healthcareroundtable.net/public/307.cfm
This is the woman that led writing most of the text of the bill.
:tongue:
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Every single time the Socialist policies of the left fail to get passed or don't gain traction with the public...the first response is ALWAYS..."we didn't do a good enough job of getting our message out". I've seen political campaign managers bemoan the fact his party or his candidate lost was because they weren't Liberal enough.
Every single time they continually fail to see the problem is their policies not the people.
They are being rejected precisely because of the message they are putting out.
But they never see it.
Agree. I've witnessed it time and time again and I don't expect it to change anytime soon seeing that they're stuck in an infinite loop.
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Democracy has a component of socialism. I never said the entire country is socialist. What I said is there is a balance between socialist institutions and private institutions in the country.
Look up Liz Fowler
http://www.healthcareroundtable.net/public/307.cfm
This is the woman that led writing most of the text of the bill.
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Gimme a ****in' break! Your messiah has said all along he's for single payer! He and his partners in crime, have also said the way to get there is precisely what this stinkin' turd is all about! You make insurance so expensive no one will be able to afford it, and they will be forced into gubmint hand-outs! Sound familiar?
Kinda like cap and tax. Make it so expensive to build coal fired power plants, ( our most abundant natural resource for generating power ), and they won't be built!
The "it's the insurance companies fault", is pure bullshit! That dog don't hunt!
This bill did nothing more than put insurance out of reach for the so-called poor you "progressives" say you are so hell bent on helping. You guys just want them begging for assistance from the "god" of government!
How 'bout this, I refuse!
Throw me in jail, do what you want with me, but I ain't payin' for your "voters" health benefits! I can hardly afford my own now because of you and your ilk!
POUND SAND!
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Gimme a ****in' break! Your messiah has said all along he's for single payer! He and his partners in crime, have also said the way to get there is precisely what this stinkin' turd is all about! You make insurance so expensive no one will be able to afford it, and they will be forced into gubmint hand-outs! Sound familiar?
Kinda like cap and tax. Make it so expensive to build coal fired power plants, ( our most abundant natural resource for generating power ), and they won't be built!
The "it's the insurance companies fault", is pure bullshit! That dog don't hunt!
This bill did nothing more than put insurance out of reach for the so-called poor you "progressives" say you are so hell bent on helping. You guys just want them begging for assistance from the "god" of government!
I agree with this fully. :cheersmate: This is just the gateway to single payer.
Obummer has physically said that it is. He said, you can't just get to single payer overnight, it takes time and this is the first step.
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Democracy has a component of socialism. I never said the entire country is socialist. What I said is there is a balance between socialist institutions and private institutions in the country.
No you didn't come right out and say it...but that was your intended impression you wanted to leave with us. A sort of moral equivalence and a hint of hypocrisy on the part of Conservatives for being anti-Socialist. Why LOOK..."Democracy has a component of socialism."
You're not as subtle or as clever as you think you are Jake.
Look up Liz Fowler
http://www.healthcareroundtable.net/public/307.cfm
This is the woman that led writing most of the text of the bill.
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I don't care if the freaking Tooth fairy wrote the damn thing with special exemptions to the Dentists of America.
It was a Democrat bill...it was a bill the PRESIDENT wanted. And over the loud objections of the American people the Democrat Party...Democrat leaders in Congress and a Democrat President shoved it down our throats.
And besides...if she really DID write the bill...she did a damn poor job on it since a) none of the house or senate leaders knew what was in it.."We've got to pass it to find out what's in it" and b) there were HUNDREDS of pages that were blank. Only footnotes that said basically "to be filled in later".
All you're doing now is trying to find clever ways to deflect th blame from where it truly belongs. You've got an extreme hatred for big business...corporations and the free enterprise system. It bubbles just beneath the surface and comes out in these tinfoil hat theories of yours about the real reason American is in trouble.
And it's either truly clouded your common sense about what got us to where we are or you're purposely using it as a smokescreen to protect your precious political party.
Either way its disingenuous.
You say you're an accountant...you weren't by chance one of those that cut cut free from Arthur Andersen when the whole Enron scandal broke were you?
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Democracy has a component of socialism.
Then God be praised we are a representative republic, huh?