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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on September 06, 2010, 06:52:22 PM
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How would you push democrats to the left?
So through all of the fighting and bickering, one thing seems to be agreed upon around here: the democrats in DC are somewhere between too moderate and actually rightward. Or something like that.
OK, we have agreement, let's start from agreement and move on from there.
This next part, there seem to be two schools of thought around here. On one hand, you have those who say voting for anyone other than democrats is equivalent to voting for republicans. On the other hand, you have those who say voting for democrats just because they aren't republicans hasn't worked so far, so why do it this time?
Disclosure: I'm in group 2. Further disclosure, I'm a shameless third-partier and have the deleted threads to prove it.
This gets to my question--oh, you know what, let me make a couple of rule suggestions.
1) If you think your position--whatever it is--is absolutely crystal clear and those who disagree are idiots, crazy, paid off by BP or whatever, you should probably skip this thread. That attitude leads to the flame wars in the other threads.
2) Don't refight past battles with piles of hypotheticals. Past events certainly matter, but stick to actual events--not guesses about where we'd all be today. Those fights never go anywhere.
OK, the question. How would you push Democrats to the left. See? It was in the subject!
Anyway, we all got together and got us a bunch of democrats elected last go-round and in the interim we've watched them slide over to the right. Calling, writing letters, lobbying, angsty rants on DU, etc. have not stopped that. Our tools failed to work. Now we're coming up on election time and we have the most powerful tool available to us: our vote. Lots of you are saying we shouldn't use that tool--too much potential for collateral damage. OK, so if our vote is not available as a tool to persuade democrats to the left, what is? What's your plan after election day?
Yeah,whatever.
BeFree (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
28. I dunno
Because our friends don't have enough power?
Having had some measure of success, and failures, comes the realization that the surest best way to get what's right is thru overwhelming numbers.
300 reps and 61 Senators ought to make my life much better. And now is the first time in two years that can happen. The time is now to snuggle up.
That is your stupid problem as you will soon find out.
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
37. "Peace" is cutting food stamps, so more people can go hungry?
Telling people you ignored the last two years to go along with you now, because of what YOU want, is very selfish.
Quite honestly, it just isn't flying anymore.
So, blast me for telling you what is happening. I no longer give a damn. I have tried to get all of you to see this for years, and you have chosen to ignore it. Now that it is too late to correct it, don't expect those you have ignored to fall in line because YOU demand it.
bobbo isn`t getting what she wants.
BeFree (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Hey
I've been demanding cuts in bombs and increase in health care. And we haven't had enough Dems in the house to get it done. Maybe one day we will?
And please, don't even tell me I'm not pissed off.
You just don`t know do you?
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Did you demand an INCREASE in food stamps?
You see, your limited scope of what is important...to YOU, is now coming home to roost.
Don't expect the rest of us who are being cut to care about YOUR priorities, when ours (which are basic SURVIVAL, for shits sake) are CUT.
It has come down to that.
LOOK AT US... recognize that we are ONE OF YOU, and you have discarded us.
I WANT MORE THAN YOU DAMMIT!!!!!
43. Wrong
It is true that I am lucky enough to not need assistance at this time.
Your casting aspersions at me is ridiculous. I am not holding you back or denying you anything. Republicans are. Attack them, not me.
I simply see it as having more Dems in office as the starting point. We get this chance once every two years. I plan on making the most from this infrequent chance to get started making progress again. Meanwhile attacking the enemy; not my friends.
No idiot...bobbo is where your envy and dreaming end up,see it and know that you will have to deal with it.
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Its not all about YOU.
If you really, honestly, cannot see that DEMS are doing the cuts now, then you have more problems than I have.
At least I still have clarity of vision.
But, whether I do or not is no longer the issue.. the issue is that many, many others see what the Dems have done, and castigating them for seeing it, and demanding they vote as you wish just won't fly.
Your chickens have come home to roost.
So, flail at me for delivering the news. I really don't care.
With all DUmmies it is always MEEEEEEE!!!
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I'm sorry, gang, but Bobbo the Hobo has to be a mole. Anyone with that much piss and vinegar in their being would display it in a lot more ways than on an Internet message board. They would rub someone the wrong way--someone that could end Bobbo's life in an instant, and probably would. The fact that said DUmor (such a fitting description, IMO) is still alive means that it's probably an act on DU.
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From above;
How would you push democrats to the left?
So through all of the fighting and bickering, one thing seems to be agreed upon around here: the democrats in DC are somewhere between too moderate and actually rightward. Or something like that.
WHAT.THE.****?!?!?!?!!?!? :banghead: :banghead: These DUmmies are taking too many "head meds"! The democrats are "too moderate" or "actually rightward"?!?!
No it's more like they're all a bunch of socialist loser ****s! :bird: :censored: :censored:
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I'm sorry, gang, but Bobbo the Hobo has to be a mole.
And if she posts from a library? what library is open on a Holiday?
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And if she posts from a library? what library is open on a Holiday?
Our is closed but I bet if you parked outside with a laptop, you could get online using their WiFi network. I heard she has an iPhone, too.
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Our is closed but I bet if you parked outside with a laptop, you could get online using their WiFi network. I heard she has an iPhone, too.
I say mole LOL.
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I say mole LOL.
lol :lmao: :cheersmate:
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I'm sorry, gang, but Bobbo the Hobo has to be a mole. Anyone with that much piss and vinegar in their being would display it in a lot more ways than on an Internet message board. They would rub someone the wrong way--someone that could end Bobbo's life in an instant, and probably would. The fact that said DUmor (such a fitting description, IMO) is still alive means that it's probably an act on DU.
I still think she is Skins himself neighbor. :evillaugh:
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Did the people who tried to help Bobbolink ever actually meet her?
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I don't think so.
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
37. "Peace" is cutting food stamps, so more people can go hungry?
Here's a novel idea: WORK FOR IT!!!!!
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How would you push democrats to the left?
Stand slightly to the right rear of them at the precipitous mountain overlook, and let my instincts take charge.
:innocent:
And BeFree, you poor schmuck, Bobo the Hobo is right: It's not about YOU...it's about HER, dammit!!!111!!!
:hammer:
:rotf:
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In deference to Bobo,
I'm for providing infrastructure projects right now and giving people willing to work a job building our nation. Frankly the job market sucks, unemployment sucks, and the government response sucks.
The government would get a good return on their investment infrastructure wise, demand for labor sucks so much right now they could pay a cheap wage and build a shit load of stuff for the next generation.
If they were not answering to municipal labor unions. I have no problem with private sector labor unions.
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In deference to Bobo,
I'm for providing infrastructure projects right now and giving people willing to work a job building our nation. Frankly the job market sucks, unemployment sucks, and the government response sucks.
The government would get a good return on their investment infrastructure wise, demand for labor sucks so much right now they could pay a cheap wage and build a shit load of stuff for the next generation.
If they were not answering to municipal labor unions. I have no problem with private sector labor unions.
That would never happen. Infrastructure projects will pay at the prevailing union wages in most states. To me that makes it impossible to do like you say.
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That would never happen. Infrastructure projects will pay at the prevailing union wages in most states. To me that makes it impossible to do like you say.
Than we deserve our pain don't we.
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Than we deserve our pain don't we.
Do you think that unions would allow roads or other projects to be done without the current prevailing wage laws being enforced? Those laws are basically intended to prevent non-union contractors from getting government contracts, or at the very least they prevent governments from getting the most bang for their buck.
As far as I'm concerned the governing body, be it state local or federal only has a couple of responsibilities when it comes to awarding contracts. The lowest bid from a competent contractor, who meets the minimum safety requirements for the job, and to make sure the materials used are up to grade. Salaries for the workers shouldn't matter.
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Its not all about YOU.
If you really, honestly, cannot see that DEMS are doing the cuts now, then you have more problems than I have.
At least I still have clarity of vision.
But, whether I do or not is no longer the issue.. the issue is that many, many others see what the Dems have done, and castigating them for seeing it, and demanding they vote as you wish just won't fly.
Your chickens have come home to roost.
So, flail at me for delivering the news. I really don't care.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Reverend "Debil" Wright, izzat u? Chickens came home to roost; I heard you say that before, even though that slacker Obama never did. Lazy ass sat in a pew in your church for 20 years and didn't hear a word you screeched, uh, preached.
My theory on Booboo is she's like that guy in RUSH who gets sucked into the drug scene while going undercover to expose drug traffickers. She went in as a mole, deep undercover, and has become so enamoured of her persona of a homeless shrew that she's lost her grip on reality. Someone needs to do an intervention.
Or send the healing white light her way.
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Do you think that unions would allow roads or other projects to be done without the current prevailing wage laws being enforced? Those laws are basically intended to prevent non-union contractors from getting government contracts, or at the very least they prevent governments from getting the most bang for their buck.
As far as I'm concerned the governing body, be it state local or federal only has a couple of responsibilities when it comes to awarding contracts. The lowest bid from a competent contractor, who meets the minimum safety requirements for the job, and to make sure the materials used are up to grade. Salaries for the workers shouldn't matter.
Safe place to work and a few other issue as well. You really don't want to hire contractors that are taking unnecessary risks with people's lives.
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Its not all about YOU.
If you really, honestly, cannot see that DEMS are doing the cuts now, then you have more problems than I have.
At least I still have clarity of vision.
But, whether I do or not is no longer the issue.. the issue is that many, many others see what the Dems have done, and castigating them for seeing it, and demanding they vote as you wish just won't fly.
Your chickens have come home to roost.
So, flail at me for delivering the news. I really don't care.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Reverend "Debil" Wright, izzat u? Chickens came home to roost; I heard you say that before, even though that slacker Obama never did. Lazy ass sat in a pew in your church for 20 years and didn't hear a word you screeched, uh, preached.
My theory on Booboo is she's like that guy in RUSH who gets sucked into the drug scene while going undercover to expose drug traffickers. She went in as a mole, deep undercover, and has become so enamoured of her persona of a homeless shrew that she's lost her grip on reality. Someone needs to do an intervention.
Or send the healing white light her way.
She does post from public libraries and other public locations, you can choose to believe me or not, however the admin of the site I was on has verified this.
I wish she was a mole.
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Safe place to work and a few other issue as well. You really don't want to hire contractors that are taking unnecessary risks with people's lives.
I had included safety requirements in there.
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I had included safety requirements in there.
Creating distortions in the market provides trouble. It is how we ended up with our health care system with wage controls after WWII.
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She does post from public libraries and other public locations, you can choose to believe me or not, however the admin of the site I was on has verified this.
I wish she was a mole.
Actually, I don't care what she is. She is a major pain in the ass. Hope the mods never extend a welcome to her at CC.
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Actually, I don't care what she is. She is a major pain in the ass. Hope the mods never extend a welcome to her at CC.
Yes and I provided a solution to her. I think she has paranoid delusions and needs medication and probably about 2 years of behavioral therapy.
You can't be pro-life and not willing to deal with people like this.
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I had included safety requirements in there.
I'm guilty of my own assumptions as well when I read things apologies.
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Yes and I provided a solution to her. I think she has paranoid delusions and needs medication and probably about 2 years of behavioral therapy.
You can't be pro-life and not willing to deal with people like this.
OTOH what makes you think bobolink would accept your solution any more than she would the advice and proffered help from anyone else out there? And you can't MAKE her do anything she refuses to do; if you think you can she'll set you straight.
Dunno what you mean by can't be pro-life and not willing to deal with people like this. I'm not suggesting anyone deprive her of her life. ::)
And really, I am done talking about or posting about bobolink, who may or may not be mentally ill. I've got my own family issues with mental illness, as you do, and besides that, the world is full of those who are mentally, emotionally and physically in desperate need who don't want to slap aside a helping hand. Not to mention all the animals in need of rescue, which is MY preferred way of helping the universe. At least animals are grateful for what they are given and don't feel the need to beat you upside the head for providing dry kibble instead of Fancy Feast and their own cat condo.
I just think the less anyone discusses bobo or engages with her on DU, the sooner she will just fade away.
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OTOH what makes you think bobolink would accept your solution any more than she would the advice and proffered help from anyone else out there? And you can't MAKE her do anything she refuses to do; if you think you can she'll set you straight.
Dunno what you mean by can't be pro-life and not willing to deal with people like this. I'm not suggesting anyone deprive her of her life. ::)
And really, I am done talking about or posting about bobolink, who may or may not be mentally ill. I've got my own family issues with mental illness, as you do, and besides that, the world is full of those who are mentally, emotionally and physically in desperate need who don't want to slap aside a helping hand. Not to mention all the animals in need of rescue, which is MY preferred way of helping the universe. At least animals are grateful for what they are given and don't feel the need to beat you upside the head for providing dry kibble instead of Fancy Feast and their own cat condo.
I just think the less anyone discusses bobo or engages with her on DU, the sooner she will just fade away.
I think Bobo hates my notion more than any others.
Agreed for different reasons, mocking this woman is kind of like making fun of a baby. I prefer to shoot up, not down.
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I think Bobo hates my notion more than any others.
Agreed for different reasons, mocking this woman is kind of like making fun of a baby. I prefer to shoot up, not down.
Sorry Jake,you can try to distance yourself from the truth but bobbo is exactly what the far left and as such the base of the democrat party is.
Envious,angry,entitled...wants everything handed to them without responsibility or effort.
Own her and embrace her because she is what your party has become.
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Sorry Jake,you can try to distance yourself from the truth but bobbo is exactly what the far left and as such the base of the democrat party is.
Envious,angry,entitled...wants everything handed to them without responsibility or effort.
Own her and embrace her because she is what your party has become.
I think you just described the country as a whole.
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I think you just described the country as a whole.
Not even close to the whole country,those that reject that thinking are what you on the left try to ridicule and scorn.
Accuse us of being racists because we call an incompetent fool what he is.
Show me all of us on the right who demand government provide them with free healthcare and housing,call incessantly for a $20.00/hr minimum wage with all goods and services provided cheaply while confiscating all wealth beyond what they themselves have.
Put that mix in an economic tumbler and see how it pours out.
That is the mind of the left not us.
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Not even close to the whole country,those that reject that thinking are what you on the left try to ridicule and scorn.
Accuse us of being racists because we call an incompetent fool what he is.
Show me all of us on the right who demand government provide them with free healthcare and housing,call incessantly for a $20.00/hr minimum wage with all goods and services provided cheaply while confiscating all wealth beyond what they themselves have.
Put that mix in an economic tumbler and see how it pours out.
That is the mind of the left not us.
I'm more Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin than Al Gore.
I reject a lot of the rights thinking, I reject a lot of the lefts thinking. A classical state rights liberal who feels that government has its importance along with the state governments and the private sector etc.
Frankly I'm a little sick of everything in this country coming from D.C. or Manhattan, which is the end result of the giant federal blow-up.
Doubt Bobo is thinking about the direct election of Senators and whether it was a mistake.
I don't expect South Carolina to have Pennsylvania values, I don't want South Carolina or PA enforcing their values on others.
Of course if I through some old TJ quotes on here, I might be accused of being a socialist.
I'm going to post here for a while as long as you will let me. All I ask is a free exchange of ideas.
Despite my shotgun and food storage we are all in this together, and I'd rather keep society.
Your looking at an election right now, I'm looking at a 1991 Soviet style collapse of the government.
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I think you just described the country as a whole.
WRONG!!!
Maybe at the "current" situation because of the imposter in the White House and what he's doing with the Country. But, I don't agree with your statement there. As soon as the imposter is out and a lot of his actions are reversed, I bet the mood of the Country will change for the better. :cheersmate:
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WRONG!!!
Maybe at the "current" situation because of the imposter in the White House and what he's doing with the Country. But, I don't agree with your statement there. As soon as the imposter is out and a lot of his actions are reversed, I bet the mood of the Country will change for the better. :cheersmate:
That I agree with. It'll be "Morning In America," again.
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Bobo is whining about food stamps being cut? Why isn't she blaming Michelle Obama and her No Kids Fat Behind bill for that? To pay for the MO initiative, they're taking money away from the hungry.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/114271-dems-consider-more-food-stamp-cuts-to-fund-child-nutrition-bill
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Bobo is whining about food stamps being cut? Why isn't she blaming Michelle Obama and her No Kids Fat Behind bill for that? To pay for the MO initiative, they're taking money away from the hungry.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/114271-dems-consider-more-food-stamp-cuts-to-fund-child-nutrition-bill
bobo has been more than willing to call the DemonRats out about cutting aid to the poor. She gets away with more of that than any other DU'er would ever dream of.
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I'm more Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin than Al Gore.
Of course if I through some old TJ quotes on here, I might be accused of being a socialist.
:jerkit:
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I think you just described the country as a whole.
Maybe you need to get out more....