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and provide a place for them to stay.
Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 01:22 PM
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Haight-Ashbury homeless think McDonalds dropped 'dollar menu' to get rid of them
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 01:22 PM by Liberal_in_LA
Hassle in Haight over McDonald's menu change
What would seemingly be an issue of capitalism and supply and demand in any other city, or any other neighborhood in San Francisco, has instead morphed into another battle between merchants and the homeless in the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood:
The McDonald's at the corner of Haight and Stanyan streets eliminated its Dollar Menu about a month ago, making the items on it too expensive for the people who spend the better part of their day on the sidewalk in front.
Street people who for years have depended on the McDonald's to eat say it's become a de facto sit/lie ordinance. But the franchise owner says she's just trying to make a little extra money.
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While that price increase may seem trivial, for Newhart and his colleagues it can mean the difference between eating and going hungry. Many homeless think taking away the Dollar Menu is the restaurant management's ploy to get them to go somewhere else. Management locks the bathroom door and frequently calls the cops. On top of that, Mayor Gavin Newsom and several Haight Street merchants are pushing a November ballot measure that would ban sitting or lying on public sidewalks.
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"Yeah man, it ... sucks," he said Thursday while sitting foodless on the McDonald's patio with a half dozen hungry friends. "I eat less. I have to get more money. If I don't have a dollar and I want food, I just end up going to a trash can."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/0...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9084653
Better Today (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 01:32 PM
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1. Seems the homeless made their own misfortune here, imo.
I mean I understand the homeless' need for inexpensive food, but they need to understand that if they then hang around all day, they are going to cost the owner customers who don't want to wade through a homeless camp to grab a meal. Seems if the homeless folks would just agree to get their dollar meals and then eat and leave rather than hovering around on the patio all day or spending "the better part of their day on the sidewalk in front."
What? bobbo the hobo will rip you a new one buddy.
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 01:39 PM
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4. When you are homeless your options are fairly limited as to where to spend your time..
Where do you suggest they go that they won't be in front of someone's business or home?
But do they have to hang around where they feed?
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-06-10 02:23 PM
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28. Good point. The Chronicle also gleefully released the information
that Newsom had solved 60% of homelessness in town in 2006.
They help him catapult this propaganda at every opportunity.
It's a pretty big bonfire.
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If only these assholes could translate this story into a perspective on Obama's economic policies.
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Just to be clear, and without any doubt as to Bobo the Hobo's demands:
bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Sep-06-10 02:35 PM
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44. Whhile I applaud your more caring stance, we don't need more places in the park.
We need HOUSING and enough money to live on.
Period.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Sep-06-10 02:35 PM
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44. Whhile I applaud your more caring stance, we don't need more places in the park.
We need HOUSING and enough money to live on.
Period.
All one needs to know about the useless leeches of society.
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We need HOUSING and enough money to live on.
Wow I am surprised housing was first on that list for this person.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Sep-06-10 02:35 PM
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44. Whhile I applaud your more caring stance, we don't need more places in the park.
We need HOUSING and enough money to live on.
Period.
You need to go to rehab and get a friggin job.
Period.
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Just to be clear, and without any doubt as to Bobo the Hobo's demands:
Government Motors need to make more Buick Skylarks... :-)...and Volts for midgets.
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Here's a novel idea sunshine: WORK FOR IT !
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Seriously, are Libraries open on the Holiday? ours was closed.
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I get a kick out of these stupid DUmmies!!!
Why doesn't he open up his ****in' wallet and help out the poor!!:bird: :censored: :censored: They want everyone else to pay/work hard but them. These liberals literally have padlocks on their wallets. Charity doesn't exist in their vocabulary. Mike Savage has some great stories about going out with some libs that are pretty funny on how cheap those pricks are. :loser:
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Seriously, are Libraries open on the Holiday? ours was closed.
She's camping in the DUmpster outside of McD's stealing their internet wifi that you get free with a dollar meal. :-)
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She's camping in the DUmpster outside of McD's stealing their internet wifi that you get free with a dollar meal. :-)
How fitting!! The DUmpster! :cheersmate:
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I went to see a Pixies concert in San Francisco years ago, forget which venue, may have been the Fillmore. We ran over to the McD's across the street before the show to grab a bite to eat. After wading through a bunch of homeless, we got our food, sat down to eat, and this homeless dude walks right up to our table and stands there staring at me while I eat. One of my friends lived in the city, and told me that this was their tactic, to stare at you until you give them some food. (We discussed it with him standing there like he wasn't there, he was like a statue.) He ignored all polite and even impolite pleas to get the eff away, until finally, having had enough of my fries, i handed him the rest. He moved off to a table and gobbled them down.
SF really is a beautiful city, but I think it is past time to drop a nuke on it.
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Isn't San Francisco considered a sanctuary city for the homeless?
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She's camping in the DUmpster outside of McD's stealing their internet wifi that you get free with a dollar meal. :-)
If she has a laptop to steal wifi then she should sell it to get housing and enough money to live, or whatever nonsense she posted.
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Is there a reason bobo can't work? I realize there's been issues with her son but generally one gets past their tragedies and moves on. I'd really like to know why she thinks she's entitled to money and a home. Are her tragedies more devastating than other peoples? How does it do honor to her son to be useless, bitchy, whiny and homeless and expect everyone to indulge her little rants. Yet, when tangible help is offered she turns it down. Sometimes she's even offended that someone offers her a hand UP. She's an embarrassment to the human race.
Cindie
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If she has a laptop to steal wifi then she should sell it to get housing and enough money to live, or whatever nonsense she posted.
It's worse that that. She has an iPod.
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I suspect Bobo has a problem with mental illness and is unable to get help herself for the illness.
I think the conflagration of demanding people who are of not clear mind from not being forced into getting help, and the cutting of institutions that help them created Bobo.
I blame both conservatives and liberals for Bobo. The compassionate thing to do is to institutionalize her for a while in safe place, provide medication that eases her illness that God gave her to struggle with and rely on others, and release her back into society with new skills. If she can't adjust to the new skills, unfortunately she should be confined to a safe environment where she can seek happiness.
That is an adult discussion, and we have few adults in the country right now.
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I suspect Bobo has a problem with mental illness and is unable to get help herself for the illness.
I think the conflagration of demanding people who are of not clear mind from not being forced into getting help, and the cutting of institutions that help them created Bobo.
I blame both conservatives and liberals for Bobo. The compassionate thing to do is to institutionalize her for a while in safe place, provide medication that eases her illness that God gave her to struggle with and rely on others, and release her back into society with new skills. If she can't adjust to the new skills, unfortunately she should be confined to a safe environment where she can seek happiness.
That is an adult discussion, and we have few adults in the country right now.
We're both in agreement that Bobo should be institutionalized.
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I suspect Bobo has a problem with mental illness and is unable to get help herself for the illness.
I think the conflagration of demanding people who are of not clear mind from not being forced into getting help, and the cutting of institutions that help them created Bobo.
I blame both conservatives and liberals for Bobo. The compassionate thing to do is to institutionalize her for a while in safe place, provide medication that eases her illness that God gave her to struggle with and rely on others, and release her back into society with new skills. If she can't adjust to the new skills, unfortunately she should be confined to a safe environment where she can seek happiness.
That is an adult discussion, and we have few adults in the country right now.
I have to say that mental illness for some reason never entered my head and my sympathy factor went up some. Just curious, why would you blame conservatives?
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We're both in agreement that Bobo should be institutionalized.
She's obviously mentally ill. She is unequipped to make a rational choice on her situation.
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I have to say that mental illness for some reason never entered my head and my sympathy factor went up some. Just curious, why would you blame conservatives?
The mental health situation in this country was really both parties acting in concert, and when something is bi-partisan someone weak is getting ****ed.
We had a problem with our institutions where people were being abused. Instead of stopping people from being abused, we gave insane people rights to act crazy and cut spending on the institutions that contained them.
Which ****ed the general population, and the mentally ill. Imprisoning them in their illness and forcing the rest of us to have to deal with the illnesses.
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The mental health situation in this country was really both parties acting in concert, and when something is bi-partisan someone weak is getting ****ed.
We had a problem with our institutions where people were being abused. Instead of stopping people from being abused, we gave insane people rights to act crazy and cut spending on the institutions that contained them.
Which ****ed the general population, and the mentally ill. Imprisoning them in their illness and forcing the rest of us to have to deal with the illnesses.
I don't see that being the fault of conservatism though, I see it more the fault of ACLU types which are pretty progressive. You have places like San Francisco which I'm almost positive is a sanctuary city for the homeless who aren't doing anything especially for those suffering from mental illness. No idea why people like that aren't forced into a state run system. It just seems like they're enablers.
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I don't see that being the fault of conservatism though, I see it more the fault of ACLU types which are pretty progressive. You have places like San Francisco which I'm almost positive is a sanctuary city for the homeless who aren't doing anything especially for those suffering from mental illness. No idea why people like that aren't forced into a state run system. It just seems like they're enablers.
Some of my "liberalism" comes from my brother.
He has autism and has schizophrenia, he is unable to care for himself and never will be.
I'm in a difficult position, the cost of his care is something neither my parents or myself would ever be able to afford, and without a trained professional providing an environment that he can feel comfortable in, he is violent.
I don't want anyone providing my brother with certain rights. That is dangerous to everyone. I don't want my brother in prison either.
I suspect Bobo has a severe mental illness. My heart honestly bleeds for her. I don't think she is physically dangerous but I believe she is a strain to the rest of society.
I also believe absent her illness Bobo would be a productive member of society.
So here is the debate, what are Bobo's rights to deny herself care, and what is societies responsibility to Bobo.
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Is there a reason bobo can't work? I realize there's been issues with her son but generally one gets past their tragedies and moves on. I'd really like to know why she thinks she's entitled to money and a home. Are her tragedies more devastating than other peoples? How does it do honor to her son to be useless, bitchy, whiny and homeless and expect everyone to indulge her little rants. Yet, when tangible help is offered she turns it down. Sometimes she's even offended that someone offers her a hand UP. She's an embarrassment to the human race.
Cindie
I think Bobo is extremely mentally ill and is unemployable with her present mental skill set. I also think her mental illness prevents her from taking any help.
As far as honor, I think being able to see the world clearly, and not having whatever demon she has would restore her.
Frankly picking on Bobo is like mocking the demon possessed people Jesus restored to sanity.
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I'm still not convinced that bobbo is not a mole.
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Some of my "liberalism" comes from my brother.
He has autism and has schizophrenia, he is unable to care for himself and never will be.
I'm in a difficult position, the cost of his care is something neither my parents or myself would ever be able to afford, and without a trained professional providing an environment that he can feel comfortable in, he is violent.
I don't want anyone providing my brother with certain rights. That is dangerous to everyone. I don't want my brother in prison either.
I suspect Bobo has a severe mental illness. My heart honestly bleeds for her. I don't think she is physically dangerous but I believe she is a strain to the rest of society.
I also believe absent her illness Bobo would be a productive member of society.
So here is the debate, what are Bobo's rights to deny herself care, and what is societies responsibility to Bobo.
Just another curiosity question than, should she be allowed to even post on a message board? it just seems she's angry all the time, and yes she has an excuse if she's mentally ill, but should others be subjected to her rants? and what if she was driven over the edge? is there any responsibility that would befall that board? I think if I had a board I'd be very concerned for all involved, especially when discussions get heated.
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I'm still not convinced that bobbo is not a mole.
I always thought so too, but the mental illness factor makes a lot of sense.
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I'm still not convinced that bobbo is not a mole.
Her post come from multiple locations and public places. Verified by the admin at OET where she briefly posted till she found the membership not to friendly to her thread jacking.
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Her post come from multiple locations and public places. Verified by the admin at OET where she briefly posted till she found the membership not to friendly to her thread jacking.
That doesn't mean she isn't someone that doesn't go war driving and knows the local hotspots.
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Frankly picking on Bobo is like mocking the demon possessed people Jesus restored to sanity.
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I do believe if Bobo were as mentally deranged as some of you think, the cops would have picked her up for being a danger to herself or others. I get instead the picture of a woman, who if NOT a mole (and I think she may well be) is in fact perfectly "normal" but bitter and twisted up inside until she's like this festering pustule on society.
Even assuming she did lose a child to a murderer, one only needs to look at the other 99% of folks who lose children to horrible causes to notice that they aren't out to shit on the world. My sister, my mother-in-law, my best friend, and many others I know and have known have lost children to causes natural and unnatural and, although some are diagnosed with mental illnesses, do NOT, do NOT go around 30 years later biting the hands that reach out to them. At some point, rejecting any smidgen of sympathy says a hell of a lot more about YOU than it does about societal conditions at large.
How many people on this board truly believe bobo would give two shakes of a lamb's tail about the plight of the homeless if a) she wasn't in that same boat and b) if she suddenly won the lottery. Think she'd spend all of her millions on buying mansions for the destitute?
I think not. I think if she was't bitching about homelessness she'd be bitching about something else.
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http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2010/09/mcdonalds-drops-dollar-menu-bobbolink.html
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Frankly picking on Bobo is like mocking the demon possessed people Jesus restored to sanity.
I do believe if Bobo were as mentally deranged as some of you think, the cops would have picked her up for being a danger to herself or others. I get instead the picture of a woman, who if NOT a mole (and I think she may well be) is in fact perfectly "normal" but bitter and twisted up inside until she's like this festering pustule on society.
Even assuming she did lose a child to a murderer, one only needs to look at the other 99% of folks who lose children to horrible causes to notice that they aren't out to shit on the world. My sister, my mother-in-law, my best friend, and many others I know and have known have lost children to causes natural and unnatural and, although some are diagnosed with mental illnesses, do NOT, do NOT go around 30 years later biting the hands that reach out to them. At some point, rejecting any smidgen of sympathy says a hell of a lot more about YOU than it does about societal conditions at large.
How many people on this board truly believe bobo would give two shakes of a lamb's tail about the plight of the homeless if a) she wasn't in that same boat and b) if she suddenly won the lottery. Think she'd spend all of her millions on buying mansions for the destitute?
I think not. I think if she was't bitching about homelessness she'd be bitching about something else.
Just because you aren't of clear mind doesn't mean you walk around assaulting people. Nor does it mean you are a danger to others.
The self or others is the 1980s definition, how is it working do you think.
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Off of BoBo for a second and back onto the subject of San Francisco and the homeless.....didn't the city give all the homeless $800 a month just because they're homeless and on the streets.....now they wonder why they have homeless people lying around on the sidewalks.
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Off of BoBo for a second and back onto the subject of San Francisco and the homeless.....didn't the city give all the homeless $800 a month just because they're homeless and on the streets.....now they wonder why they have homeless people lying around on the sidewalks.
They spend all their money on weed/wine and then cry about dollar meals. Retards.
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Just because you aren't of clear mind doesn't mean you walk around assaulting people. Nor does it mean you are a danger to others.
The self or others is the 1980s definition, how is it working do you think.
The rage she displays can not only be limited to the time she's online. If she's really mental, she would most certainly go off on people in a face to face setting, thus scaring the shit out of them resulting in official intervention by the authorities.
She has to be a mole. She could be a driver for a beer distributor or some similar type job that takes her all over Denver. Remember, she does have an iPod.
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The rage she displays can not only be limited to the time she's online. If she's really mental, she would most certainly go off on people in a face to face setting, thus scaring the shit out of them resulting in official intervention by the authorities.
She has to be a mole. She could be a driver for a beer distributor or some similar type job that takes her all over Denver. Remember, she does have an iPod.
Ipod really doesn't say much. Someone might have given it to her, she might have picked it up in a pawn shop. She may have stolen it.
You can buy cards for music at a store for cash so the credit card argument is moot.
She can have an ipod, use public places to charge it, and even download songs from public computers and internet cafes.
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Ipod really doesn't say much. Someone might have given it to her, she might have picked it up in a pawn shop. She may have stolen it.
You can buy cards for music at a store for cash so the credit card argument is moot.
She can have an ipod, use public places to charge it, and even download songs from public computers and internet cafes.
You're correct is stating it's irrelevant where she got it. The point is that it allows her to get online anywhere there is a hot spot. Hence the different IP addresses while posting at OET.
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You're correct is stating it's irrelevant where she got it. The point is that it allows her to get online anywhere there is a hot spot. Hence the different IP addresses while posting at OET.
If she is a mole, she is the greatest one ever created.
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If she is a mole, she is the greatest one ever created.
No doubt. She's articulate, so she has some education. How much is anybody's guess.
View her posts from the perspective of her being a mole for a few weeks and then tell what you believe.
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Haight-Ashbury homeless think McDonalds dropped 'dollar menu' to get rid of them
It went up to a $1.50...the menu wasn't "dropped'.
And it's a homeless advocate groupsmouthpiece that is insinuating it was done to help with Mayor Newsom's anti-loitering law he's trying to get passed.
But hey why let a good lie get in the way of the truth.
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It went up to a $1.50...the menu wasn't "dropped'.
And it's a homeless advocate groupsmouthpiece that is insinuating it was done to help with Mayor Newsom's anti-loitering law he's trying to get passed.
But hey why let a good lie get in the way of the truth.
The double cheeseburger used to be a $1. It is now a $1.50. Silly me, I assumed McDonald's made a business decision. I buy less double cheeseburgers because the price increased.
That supply and demand curve.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Sep-06-10 02:35 PM
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44. Whhile I applaud your more caring stance, we don't need more places in the park.
We need HOUSING and enough money to live on.
Period.
It's called a J-O-B you mindless twit.
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The double cheeseburger used to be a $1. It is now a $1.50. Silly me, I assumed McDonald's made a business decision. I buy less double cheeseburgers because the price increased.
That supply and demand curve.
You're speaking of things that most DUmmies don't understand...and the ones that do despise.
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Off of BoBo for a second and back onto the subject of San Francisco and the homeless.....didn't the city give all the homeless $800 a month just because they're homeless and on the streets.....now they wonder why they have homeless people lying around on the sidewalks.
San Francisco did something because I remember reading something a few years ago that some residents were complaining that homeless people were coming from all over and settling in San Francisco.
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If she is a mole, she is the greatest one ever created.
Oh, she is. If bobo is actually a "she".
Anyone who posts with an iphone (it is an iphone, not an ipod), uses every single liberal cliche and hot button to paint the DUmbasses into a corner, and threadjacks without fear of retaliation (being the liberal protected class of "homeless") is a genius.
A twisted one, mind you, but a genius nonetheless.
He/she/it has managed to take every single thing that libs have used against everyone else and turn them (brilliantly, I might add) back on their creators. They don't know how to react and when they do, it doesn't end well.
A mole, Jake, and a damned good one. Well past the level of mole seventhson.
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I don't think she's really a mole, I just think she's certifiably nuts, more combative than Mike Tyson, and has an insatiable craving for attention.