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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-30-10 11:57 AM
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Is this true? School 1957 vs. 2010
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2010 - Police called, arrests Johnny and Mark.. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it. Both children go to anger management programs for 3 months. School board hold meeting to impliment bullying prevention programs
Scenario:
Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Robbie sent to office and given 6 of the best by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2010 - Robbie given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. Robbie's parents get fortnightly disability payments and School gets extra funding from state because Robbie has a disability.
Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
20010 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.
Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark gets glass of water from Principal to take aspirin with.
2010 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from Guy Fawkes, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a bullant nest.
1957 - Ants die.
2010- State Police, Star Force, Federal Police & Anti-terrorism Squad called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, Feds investigate parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated. Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary . Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9043575
I wasn't in school in '57. I started around 1962. But most of it in my experience was absolutely true. No, everything wasn't all "Leave It To Beaver" as the DUmmies so love to derisively point out, but things were a heckuva lot more civil and genteel before the Left brought their own brand of "societal evolution" to the fore.
And no, DUmbasses, that doesn't mean I long for the circumstances before Civil Rights advancements. I happen to think there's a middle ground where we can have both.
I don't get the "Guy Fawkes" thing, though. Must've been written by a Brit.
Of course, the DUmmies deny anything was good before the Liberal heydays of the late '60s:
myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-30-10 12:00 PM
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1. What do you think?
This is pure RW 'life was better in the old days when we had no seat belts and DDT' BS.
racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-30-10 12:54 PM
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36. Yep
Typical right-wing fantasies about how life was better before liberals ruined everything with their political correctness.
:eyes:
Absolute garbage.
Papa Boule (289 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-30-10 12:52 PM
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35. Which were also the days of Jim Crow
:whatever:
Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-30-10 01:40 PM
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55. The Right wing sure puts out a lot of that crap
Authoritarians have a weird way of projecting their fantasies onto others.
To give credit where due, some of the DUmmies do agree with some of the points. That is, when they can be heard over the shouts of "Everyone was RACIST back then!"
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Most of the 1957 things were still true in the 70's at my school.
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary . Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
Mary is placed on paid leave while the union provides lawyers for her. When acquitted on a technicality, the school is forced to settle out of court and pay Mary millions of dollars.
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I started school in '59! Up until I was in the ninth grade, you got your ass wupped at school!
Was there bullies? Yep! Was there children who needed more help than others? Yep! Did you get sent home if your dress was too short or your hair too long? Yep! Did ya start askin' for forgiveness on your way to talk to the "Boss" or worry like hell until Dad got home? Yep!
Was the overall grade point average better than a 'C'? Yep!
Hmmmmmm............
Did we have metal detectors, security guards roamin' the halls? Nope! Did "gats" settle our arguments? Nope! Did we put a "cap" in yer ass if ya didn't give us your milk money? Nope! Did teacher ever even think about takin' little Jonhnny into the cloak room and screwin' his eyeballs out? Nope! Did we cry fowl every time we didn't get our way against the establishment? Nope! Did the ACLU take up the cause because we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before starting class? Hell ****in' no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is the average grade point average better than a "c"? Not a frikkin' chance!
Yep, you progressives have sure made my country better, haven't ya?
ETA: to correct my spellin' as I was pissed the first time around!
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Most of the 1957 things were still true in the 70's at my school.
Same in the 80's too.
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Same in the 80's too.
A-yup. My Mother maintains if she disciplined me now as she did then, she would be in jail. She maintains correctly.
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Scenario:
Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Robbie sent to office and given 6 of the best by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
That was still going on in the early 90s. I know from firsthand experience... :innocent:
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I started school in 1950 and whippings if you misbehaved were a part of school.... and another when you got home if your parents found out. Johnny never had ADD or those other alphabet disorders because a couple of trips to the cloak room fixed whatever was wrong with you. Parents didn't threaten to sue the school if the teacher whipped you, they just gave you another one. Grades were usually good but not for all students, those were allowed to fail and repeat a grade.....go to summer school etc.. If you were really uncontrollable, they threw you out of school and let you continue your education on the chaingang.
No child left behind just means they all stay behind.
BTW: My son is in the "honors" classes and he seldom has homework....what the hell is that all about? I always had plenty of homework when I went to school.
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Sounds pretty accurate to me. I graduated HS in 1970, and the 'Present' version describes exactly what would happen once the social workers and agencies I deal with today got their hooks in it.
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I started school in '59! Up until I was in the ninth grade, you got your ass wupped at school!
Was there bullies? Yep! Was there children who needed more help than others? Yep! Did you get sent home if your dress was too short or your hair too long? Yep! Did ya start askin' for forgiveness on your way to talk to the "Boss" or worry like hell until Dad got home? Yep!
Was the overall grade point average better than a 'C'? Yep!
Hmmmmmm............
Did we have metal detectors, security guards roamin' the halls? Nope! Did "gats" settle our arguments? Nope! Did we put a "cap" in yer ass if ya didn't give us your milk money? Nope! Did teacher ever even think about takin' little Jonhnny into the cloak room and screwin' his eyeballs out? Nope! Did we cry fowl every time we didn't get our way against the establishment? Nope! Did the ACLU take up the cause because we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before starting class? Hell ****in' no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is the average grade point average better than a "c"? Not a frikkin' chance!
Yep, you progressives have sure made my country better, haven't ya?
ETA: to correct my spellin' as I was pissed the first time around!
Very true my man. Very true! :hi5: :cheersmate:
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Sounds pretty accurate to me. I graduated HS in 1970, and the 'Present' version describes exactly what would happen once the social workers and agencies I deal with today got their hooks in it.
I went down that road with my stepson. School and Dept. of Social Services making threats. Him just doing as he damn well pleased and not a thing I could do because the wife was deathly afraid they would take away my (our) young son. She worked for a lawyer and had seen what they could do. I was willing to take a chance and beat the hell out of him but she begged me not to.....He's now on his tenth year of a 20 year sentnce that'll he has to do 85% of....at least 17 years of his life down the drain for lack of a good whipping or two.
Now my son understands that I don't give a damn what the school tells him or what his buddies tell him about the Dept. of Social Services and what they allow me to do and not do. He's 15 and only been whipped twice. If you let them know you mean business, a whipping and a refresher course or two is all that's needed.
We were at a 50 th wedding celebration Saturday and this came up. A fellow there was laughing and saying my son was getting big enough to whip my ass now... I said, "Yeah but he's got to go to sleep sometime." They thought that was funny and even my son laughed but he knew I was dead serious.
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Even though I started school in the 70's most of this was true then too.
The school bully was the one with brass knuckles, and maybe he would bring in a cheap butterfly knife that he would ultimately prick his own finger with while showing his lack of skill with it.
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I'm not quite sure why they have a problem with this. It seems to pretty much mirror the left's policies:
Violence is bad. Everyone should get along. Even plastic butter knifes put in lunches to spread peanut butter on crackers are evil in the hands of a child and could be used as a weapon. School policy ("anti bully programs" put in place by the same liberal education establishment that has removed PE because competition can bruise little egos as well as little knees) usually requires child at least be sent home and more and more often a visit from Mr. Policeman. Conflict management (i.e. anger management), especially run by other students is the current program du jour promoted by the education establishment.
Schools (and parents for that matter) shouldn't physically punish children, it's abusive and causes low self esteem. As a huge drug culture, the left probably has little problem with controlling behavior through drugs. As school has become more "chick" centered little boys need to sit down and shut up. They are the most prone to ADD, or as most other people believe, very active & lively young people who have a hard time sitting still and thus need plenty of breaks to run off their energy (this was accomplished by an ancient practice called "recess").
If Billy's dad was seen spanking (i.e. abusing) Johnny or if Johnny told, dad probably would be visited by children's services, at the very least. Parents today are expected to pay for their children's mistakes, in this case pay for the car window, and give little Johnny a time out and a calm and reasonable discussion about how we need to be more careful and respect other people's property. While said "punishment" is ineffective, it doesn't bruise fragile egos resulting in self esteem problems. Self esteem is the most important thing children need today. Most prisoners have very high self esteem so it appears to work quite well.
Mark probably would get in trouble for aspirin. Show me a school where this isn't policy. Practically everyone knows of one or two situations , either from a friend, their child, or the 6:00 news. Prescriptions have to be checked in at the office and children have them dispensed from there.
Before I pulled my children from the cesspool of liberal indoctrination that most schools have become, I actually had a similar situation. Luckily I happened to be volunteering that day and oldest boy came into office with a headache. School secretary was not allowed to give child Tylenol, but could hand it to me so I could give it to child. School policy they couldn't dispense so much as an aspirin because they might get sued.
The firecracker thing might just result in a visit from the police. As far as the rest goes, if such device was left somewhere, unused, and a vigilant citizen called (remember the NY would-be bomber) the bomb squad would be called and, at their discretion, perhaps a more specialized task for or agency.
As far as the female teacher thing, a quick google search provides tons and tons of examples. Note the following from what are considered LIBERAL publications:
Are teachers who sleep with boys getting off? (http://www.slate.com/id/2134158) Their title, not mine...I have no idea whether the pun was intended.
Sex Crime, Not Seduction (http://http://www.aolnews.com/story/female-teachers-charged-with-sex-abuse/634372)
Florida Epidemic: Teachers Sleeping with Students (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1901762,00.html)
While one cannot know for sure, given the heavy-handed, overarching influence of teachers' unions, one could reasonable assume teachers serving jail sentences have a hard time getting to work and would thus lose their job. However, during the trial and pending verdict, they would probably be on PAID leave, as provided in their contract.
Cindie
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I went down that road with my stepson. School and Dept. of Social Services making threats. Him just doing as he damn well pleased and not a thing I could do because the wife was deathly afraid they would take away my (our) young son. She worked for a lawyer and had seen what they could do. I was willing to take a chance and beat the hell out of him but she begged me not to.....He's now on his tenth year of a 20 year sentnce that'll he has to do 85% of....at least 17 years of his life down the drain for lack of a good whipping or two.
Now my son understands that I don't give a damn what the school tells him or what his buddies tell him about the Dept. of Social Services and what they allow me to do and not do. He's 15 and only been whipped twice. If you let them know you mean business, a whipping and a refresher course or two is all that's needed.
We were at a 50 th wedding celebration Saturday and this came up. A fellow there was laughing and saying my son was getting big enough to whip my ass now... I said, "Yeah but he's got to go to sleep sometime." They thought that was funny and even my son laughed but he knew I was dead serious.
I was a single mom, but I once knocked my 14 year old son down for calling me something unprintable. He threatened to call the cops...I handed him the phone. He decided he could pick up his room after all...
Beating a kid doesn't solve any problems, but an occasional spanking does more good than many hours of "time out" and talking.
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Hell, I remember the Vice-Principal in Green River, Wyoming wanting to give me swats, but had to call and ask my father.
By the time I got done, I wished the VP had just beaten my ass instead, the liberal *****.
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Present scenario is what was going on when I started high school. I graduated in 2001. There were so many students with alphabet disorders.
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I was a single mom, but I once knocked my 14 year old son down for calling me something unprintable. He threatened to call the cops...I handed him the phone. He decided he could pick up his room after all...
Beating a kid doesn't solve any problems, but an occasional spanking does more good than many hours of "time out" and talking.
I was beaten because I had a medical condition with only one outward symptom. My parents beat and humiliated me for years. It isn't in my nature to hold a grudge, but I still don't bother talking to them very often. I try very hard not to spank my kids, and it has nothing to do with any political philosophy.
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Yes, because it would simply be impossible for a child to bring aspirin from home without the lunch counters being racially segregated.
Stupid ****ing jackasses.
They're so ****ing stupid they can't even tell it was written by a Brit, i.e. fortnight, Guy Fawkes, Star Force.
****ing retards.
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That was still going on in the early 90s. I know from firsthand experience... :innocent:
I can attest to that too. Things changed from the mid 1990s.
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Hell, I remember the Vice-Principal in Green River, Wyoming wanting to give me swats, but had to call and ask my father.
By the time I got done, I wished the VP had just beaten my ass instead, the liberal *****.
Strange that the vice principal has to have permission to swat you because we had forms for parents to sign for the principal to allow us get corporal punishment, so no need for asking.
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I went down that road with my stepson. School and Dept. of Social Services making threats. Him just doing as he damn well pleased and not a thing I could do because the wife was deathly afraid they would take away my (our) young son. She worked for a lawyer and had seen what they could do. I was willing to take a chance and beat the hell out of him but she begged me not to.....He's now on his tenth year of a 20 year sentnce that'll he has to do 85% of....at least 17 years of his life down the drain for lack of a good whipping or two.
Now my son understands that I don't give a damn what the school tells him or what his buddies tell him about the Dept. of Social Services and what they allow me to do and not do. He's 15 and only been whipped twice. If you let them know you mean business, a whipping and a refresher course or two is all that's needed.
We were at a 50 th wedding celebration Saturday and this came up. A fellow there was laughing and saying my son was getting big enough to whip my ass now... I said, "Yeah but he's got to go to sleep sometime." They thought that was funny and even my son laughed but he knew I was dead serious.
I had some run-ins with the bastiges when the kids were little, not just over discipline (I did get a visit for swatting one on the butt in public for acting like a maniac) but also for things like whether one of them was being neglected because her jacket zipper broke and the 7-second walk from the car into the daycare might have resulted in her death by freezing so safety pinning it for a day or two was scandalous neglect (Somehow, miraculously, I had survived entire recesses in grade school wearing similar improvised fastenings when my coat zipper broke, as they do sometimes)...then again when #2 son simply failed to meet the school's expectation of conformity (That kid's just different, however it is apparently a very serious crime to tolerate your kid being just different in New Jersey). I had to sit on my oldest son's chest and 'splain our proper roles to him in extremely blunt terms when he was 12 and being a total psycho asshole during a long camping trip at a busy campground, but he was being such an asshole the neighbors nodded with approval instead of calling the social work pukes. He didn't get perfect immediately, but he did begin gradually growing up after that and it slowly got better, by 16 he was even sort of human with only rare relapses to his feral state.
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Maybe if we went back to the way it was in the old days we would have less problems with drugs,teen pregnancy and a lot of other issues kids today are facing
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Maybe if we went back to the way it was in the old days we would have less problems with drugs,teen pregnancy and a lot of other issues kids today are facing
Once you separate authority from responsibility you're screwed, and that's pretty much what hyper-invilved social service agencies do...parents have the responsibility, but the social service pukes hold all the authority, and once a less-than-perfect kid realizes that, you're off to the races.
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Started school in 1974. The '57 Scenario stuff was still the norm all the way through when I graduated in 1987.
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I went down that road with my stepson. School and Dept. of Social Services making threats. Him just doing as he damn well pleased and not a thing I could do because the wife was deathly afraid they would take away my (our) young son. She worked for a lawyer and had seen what they could do. I was willing to take a chance and beat the hell out of him but she begged me not to.....He's now on his tenth year of a 20 year sentnce that'll he has to do 85% of....at least 17 years of his life down the drain for lack of a good whipping or two.
Now my son understands that I don't give a damn what the school tells him or what his buddies tell him about the Dept. of Social Services and what they allow me to do and not do. He's 15 and only been whipped twice. If you let them know you mean business, a whipping and a refresher course or two is all that's needed.
We were at a 50 th wedding celebration Saturday and this came up. A fellow there was laughing and saying my son was getting big enough to whip my ass now... I said, "Yeah but he's got to go to sleep sometime." They thought that was funny and even my son laughed but he knew I was dead serious.
Back when Allo jr was 16 he had decided he didn't have to do what momma told him as he was twice her size! I was flyin' around the country buildin' Shopko's. When I got home "Toots' reluctantly fessed up that Jr was gettin' impossible to control when I was outa town.
Well....... after he picked himself up from under the dining room table, we had an understanding that still stands to this day! Don't **** with "Toots", it's hazardous to your health!
He may be twenty years younger, but I have the experience! All's fair in an ass kickin'!
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Back when Allo jr was 16 he had decided he didn't have to do what momma told him as he was twice her size! I was flyin' around the country buildin' Shopko's. When I got home "Toots' reluctantly fessed up that Jr was gettin' impossible to control when I was outa town.
Well....... after he picked himself up from under the dining room table, we had an understanding that still stands to this day! Don't **** with "Toots", it's hazardous to your health!
He may be twenty years younger, but I have the experience! All's fair in an ass kickin'!
Age and treachery always trumps youth and skill.
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Age and treachery always trumps youth and skill.
Allo Jr outweighs me by close to a hundred pounds! I always just go for the nutz! He's still in baby makin' mode, so I have a "hand" up! lol!
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I started school in '56 at 4 and graduated in '70 at 17.
The "then" was all the way through my school years. The principal was still paddling when I was in HS. I'm pretty sure the parents were also called, as I remember hearing guys say they were going to be in more trouble when they got home.
We had PE all the way through senior year of HS...4 days a week. I was totally uncoordinated, except for swimming, and believe me the PE teacher didn't care! The only things that saved me were attitude, effort and I could swim.
Except for 1st grade, I went to public school all the way through. We stood every morning and recited the Pledge of Allegience, the teacher when I was younger - then the principal over the loud speaker - either read a Psalm or said a quick prayer, then we sat for announcements. Didn't hurt us at all.
Yes, there were bullies...but they usually ended up getting what they deserved.
Going through school, we liked/loved our teachers for the most part, (though I did have a very evil male Algebra teacher in 9th grade....a total asshole! Only D I ever got in conduct was from him!), but we feared the Principal! The Pincipal was in charge of the paddle, he was the one who called your parents. Mine were only called once....I was in Kindergarten... :shucks:
My kids graduated in '97 and '00. While they were in elementary school (it's through 5th grade here) I signed permission slips that they could be paddled by the principal with both the teacher and the school office manager, present. T left elementary in '93, and I think that's when the school system stopped ALL paddling.
I've been through the school system with "alphabet" kids, and ritalin. It's a racket and sends my blood pressure into the stratosphere!
Our kids today, would be much better off, if the schools would go back to the way it was when I was a kid. There were a lot less problems, at home - at school - in the workplace.
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I wrote about this at the time but my son's school last year didn't want to take him on a field trip lest he get emotional. After dicking-around--er--dickering around the subject for 30 minutes the teacher finally made me lose patience.
"Are there any adults at your school?
"The boy doesn't need special activities he needs to be put on notice that acting-up/acting-out will not be tolerated and if you the teacher can't enforce that, I the daddy will.
"Tell him that in no uncertain terms. Explain to him what the standards of conduct are and that breaches will be addressed. It ain't ****ing rocket science and you don't need a 6-year teaching degree. This is basic, go do it."
She wilted.
The boy went with.
No problems.
Fun was had by all.
Why they have to pussify everything is as maddening as it is inexplicable.
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I wrote about this at the time but my son's school last year didn't want to take him on a field trip lest he get emotional. After dicking-around--er--dickering around the subject for 30 minutes the teacher finally made me lose patience.
"Are there any adults at your school?
"The boy doesn't need special activities he needs to be put on notice that acting-up/acting-out will not be tolerated and if you the teacher can't enforce that, I the daddy will.
"Tell him that in no uncertain terms. Explain to him what the standards of conduct are and that breaches will be addressed. It ain't ****ing rocket science and you don't need a 6-year teaching degree. This is basic, go do it."
She wilted.
The boy went with.
No problems.
Fun was had by all.
Why they have to pussify everything is as maddening as it is inexplicable.
Amazing! The threat of gettin' an ass kickin' actually worked!
I won't say who needs it, the teacher or your son, but you get the drift!
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I remember one day when my daughter came home from school and misbehaved. I threatened to spank her. She stared at me and said, "no you won't, I'll call 9-1-1"...... She was in third grade. This would have been around 1996.
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I remember one day when my daughter came home from school and misbehaved. I threatened to spank her. She stared at me and said, "no you won't, I'll call 9-1-1"...... She was in third grade. This would have been around 1996.
Were that my kid, I would have told her she wouldn't have gotten to 9.
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Were that my kid, I would have told her she wouldn't have gotten to 9.
I GuaranDamnTeeYa she wouldn't have set down for a frikkin' week!
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Hell, I remember the Vice-Principal in Green River, Wyoming wanting to give me swats, but had to call and ask my father.
By the time I got done, I wished the VP had just beaten my ass instead, the liberal *****.
I always believed...and I've told my kids the same thing...they should (as I was) be more afraid of what would happen to them when they got home than what the school would od to them if they messed up.
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I always believed...and I've told my kids the same thing...they should (as I was) be more afraid of what would happen to them when they got home than what the school would od to them if they messed up.
All through high school ....I was more afraid of what my father would do to me if I screwed up than anything else.
Kept me from drinking, drugs, sex...anything.
The fear lessened somewhat as I got in college. But I knew if I ever got pregnant...or arrested for anything...the fear of what my father would do to me....made me very, very careful.
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I always believed...and I've told my kids the same thing...they should (as I was) be more afraid of what would happen to them when they got home than what the school would od to them if they messed up.
You've heard of the Star Trek film, The Wrath of Khan? Lemme tell you--that was nothing compared to The Wrath of Mom when I got home from school . . .