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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on August 29, 2010, 02:09:19 PM
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Well at DU you don't find much love for corporations. And to be totally honest I hate corporations too however, I am nuanced enough to realize they are a necessary evil.
The world needs their capital to create goods and services and to create jobs. My big problem is working for corporations since they turn everything into such a pain in the butt.
Kind of like govt now that I think about it. Only you can not opt out of the govt at any time.
:lmao:
Anyhoo on to our scheduled thread,
MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:42 PM
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Are all corporations evil? Updated at 3:22 PM
Condemning corporation seems to be the pet project of some, but I wonder if all corporations are the evil entities, bound to destroy the nation, they are made out to be.
Corporations can be as small as a single-person business or as large as a multi-national company. Do we lump them all together? Is it the fact of incorporation that creates evil?
I have to admit that I can't see a good alternative to capitalism in a nation as large as ours. We need goods. We need national distribution of goods. We need places to buy goods. The Mom and Pop company isn't really equipped to cope with such a large economic structure, as good a model as it is. In any case, many Mom and Pop businesses are corporations, too.
So, perhaps we need to focus on the individual corporations who are looting the economy, rather than the entire concept of capitalism and incorporation as a business model.
Who can name some corporations that are good citizens? Lets see if we can differentiate the good from the bad.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9039408
RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:43 PM
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1. To answer the question in your title. No.
Some may be surprised that a DUmmy would say no, however some corporations are run by liberals.
GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:44 PM
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2. Doesn't Ben & Jerry's have a good reputation? N/T
Yeah but they contribute to obesity. :-)
MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:59 PM
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16. How would government grocery stores be? Updated at 3:22 PM
Government trucking companies? Government auto makers? Are those things feasible?
With Obama, Reid and Pelosi in office we may find out.
izquierdista (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:49 PM
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6. They have only one organizing principle
To make money. Anything else breaches their fiduciary duty to their shareholders. If the old saying that "the love of money is the root of all evil" is true, then all corporations grow from evil roots. Any shaping or pruning or topiary that makes it look like a duck isn't going to make it quack and lay eggs.
I say to get rid of the evil, we have to go back to the early 19th century model of limited duration corporations of fixed capital. When their duration is up or they run out of capital, they need to be liquidated, and the profits left over distributed back to the investors.
Ok on an emotional level the fact that corporations are in it for the money may seem heartless and cruel. On the logical level if corporations are making money hand over fist then it helps stimulate the economy and gives us jobs. I know DUmmies hate trickle down theory but, there is truth to it.
H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:53 PM
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10. Corporations
are not limited to capitalism.
That's right the most corrupt corporation in the world is govt.
Govt may not be in it to make a profit but, those at the top are in it to get the perks and benefits. The difference being you can not stop being a consumer of this corporation.
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:49 PM
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6. They have only one organizing principle
To make money. Anything else breaches their fiduciary duty to their shareholders. If the old saying that "the love of money is the root of all evil" is true, then all corporations grow from evil roots. Any shaping or pruning or topiary that makes it look like a duck isn't going to make it quack and lay eggs.
I say to get rid of the evil, we have to go back to the early 19th century model of limited duration corporations of fixed capital. When their duration is up or they run out of capital, they need to be liquidated, and the profits left over distributed back to the investors.
The bolded part shows the idiocy of the DUmp,beyond that does anyone have any notion what business arrangement they are talking about?
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The bolded part shows the idiocy of the DUmp,beyond that does anyone have any notion what business arrangement they are talking about?
I have an idea--pre-electricity. One where you had to do useful work in order to survive.
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From above;
MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-29-10 02:59 PM
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16. How would government grocery stores be? Updated at 3:22 PM
Government trucking companies? Government auto makers? Are those things feasible?
Are you f'en serious??!? Have you tripped up your "head meds" again and gone berserk?!?! :censored: :bird:
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I have an idea--pre-electricity. One where you had to do useful work in order to survive.
The DUmbass really hasn`t given it a lot of thought has he/she. :lmao: :lmao:
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Of course, but the all encompassing, no competitor government is nothing but white healing light.....like the DMV.
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.... beyond that does anyone have any notion what business arrangement they are talking about?
Somewhere in the primitive freak's mind(lessness)of rewriting history, they've convinced themselves that corps once had to prove their benefit to society in order to continue to exist. If they could not do so, then their corporate charter was revoked.
No, I have no idea where they dreamed it up, I've just seen the primitives mention this a few dozen times over the years.
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