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Title: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 17, 2010, 04:32:29 PM
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A federal jury today convicted former Gov. Rod Blagojevich of one count against him: lying to the FBI. The jury was deadlocked on the other 23 counts against the former governor, and all four counts against his brother.

The jury in Rod Blagojevich's corruption trial has reached a verdict, and Blagojevich and his brother are in the courtroom awaiting the announcement after being summoned by U.S. District Judge James Zagel.

U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald and Robert Grant, head of the FBI in Chicago, were also in the courtroom for the announcement.

Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/14th-day-for-blagojevich-jury.html)


Granted, there are 24 counts, but they just read the first one - GUILTY of lying to the federal government.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 17, 2010, 04:34:16 PM
From the same link above:

Update: A federal jury today convicted former Gov. Rod Blagojevich of one count against him: lying to the FBI. The jury was deadlocked on the other 23 counts against the former governor, and all four counts against his brother.

 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: thundley4 on August 17, 2010, 04:45:30 PM
The local news just reported that the judge said he will declare a mistrial on the deadlocked charges leaving it open for the feds to retry him.

I don't really like the lying to investigators charge, simply because that seems to be a CYA charge on the part of the investigators and prosecutors.  I mean if the feds interviewed anyone long enough after tapping phones and surveillance , I'm sure they could catch them telling some lies.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Eupher on August 17, 2010, 04:47:35 PM
Any mention of the max penalty for lying to the FBI?

It's not in the article....
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Chris_ on August 17, 2010, 04:47:37 PM
Lying to the FBI carries a maximum sentence of five years.  I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 17, 2010, 04:48:41 PM
Lying to the FBI carries a maximum sentence of five years.  I'm not holding my breath.

Yep, that's right.  I really hope they re-try his ass.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Thor on August 17, 2010, 04:49:20 PM
Just got home from the Dr. This is absurd!! They had him dead to rights with the tapes and all.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on August 17, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
I don't really like the lying to investigators charge, simply because that seems to be a CYA charge on the part of the investigators and prosecutors.  I mean if the feds interviewed anyone long enough after tapping phones and surveillance , I'm sure they could catch them telling some lies.

It only seems like that because that's exactly what it is.  Not that I have any great sympathy for him, of course.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DefiantSix on August 17, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
Just got home from the Dr. This is absurd!! They had him dead to rights with the tapes and all.

Well, when a "jury of your peers" includes nobody with an IQ over 50, I'm kinda surprised they were able to vote out even the ONE guilty verdict. :shortbus:
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Chris_ on August 17, 2010, 06:04:46 PM
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After Judge James B. Zagel said he plans to call a mistrial on the remaining counts, federal prosecutors said they would retry Blagojevich "as quickly as possible."

Zagel set a hearing for Aug. 26 to decide the manner and timing of the retrial. He also said Blagojevich's bond will stay the same.

Blagojevich faces up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for lying to agents investigating the corruption allegations.
Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/17/attorney-lawyers-blago-case-summoned-court/)
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Chris_ on August 17, 2010, 06:35:32 PM
What's the penalty for the Fed's lying to us?
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on August 17, 2010, 08:07:14 PM
No surprise here. Chicago is rotten to the core.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DefiantSix on August 17, 2010, 08:07:47 PM
What's the penalty for the Fed's lying to us?

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CHIMPEACHMENT!!!!!
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on August 17, 2010, 08:10:13 PM
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CHIMPEACHMENT!!!!!

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Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 17, 2010, 08:12:40 PM
No surprise here. Chicago is rotten to the core.

A corrupt cesspool. Such a pity because it was one of the great cities.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DefiantSix on August 17, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
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It cannot possibly be wassis!  I stole it fair and square from the KOS kiddies!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DefiantSix on August 17, 2010, 08:47:43 PM
A corrupt cesspool. Such a pity because it was one of the great cities.

Chicago has been a corrupt cess pool, and a boil on the ass of humanity since the 1840s. 
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: littlelamb on August 18, 2010, 12:45:15 AM
Chicago has been a corrupt cess pool, and a boil on the ass of humanity since the 1840s. 


Very very true
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: RobJohnson on August 18, 2010, 02:20:21 AM
The first year he ran in Illinois I voted for him. Seven times.  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: djones520 on August 18, 2010, 02:53:37 AM
Well that was enough to put Libby away for a couple of years wasn't it?  So toss his ass in the clink, and retry him on the other counts while he's making cozy cozy with Bubba.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: TJ on August 18, 2010, 05:24:28 AM
The first year he ran in Illinois I voted for him. Seven times.  :evillaugh:

LOL.

Sounds like there was one holdout.  They will try him again and do a better job this time. 
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 18, 2010, 08:35:30 AM
LOL.

Sounds like there was one holdout.  They will try him again and do a better job this time. 

Been listening to WLS in Chicago this morning and they've been interviewing jurors.  The lone hold-out was a woman who apparently listened to liberal talk radio.  I wonder how DUmmy MoPinko got picked for the jury?
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: ConservativeJoeG on August 18, 2010, 08:51:15 AM
People had to have known that this trial was going to be a charade.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 18, 2010, 08:53:17 AM
People had to have known that this trial was going to be a charade.

Since I'm not a lawyer, I don't quite know exactly why this trial wasn't moved.  Something to do with the federal jurisdiction???

The jurors I've heard this morning actually sound pretty reasonable.  The moonbat was not one that was interviewed.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Chris_ on August 18, 2010, 05:23:41 PM
Sounds like there was one holdout.  They will try him again and do a better job this time. 
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Criminal justice student Eric Sarnello was willing to speak about his jury time. Some of what he said, we know: many votes just weren't unanimous. But he also painted a picture of what we couldn't see.

"Overall, I'd say everyone was pretty respectful. In the beginning, it was a little more heated, a lot more emotions, voting was defensive. And then we checked ourselves and took emotion out of it," said Sarnello. "To me, it was pretty clear where we were gonna end about the third day."

Despite the division, according to Sarnello, the 12 came very close to convicting Blagojevich on the biggest alleged scheme: trying to sell the Senate seat vacated by President Barack Obama.

It was 11 to 1. The holdout was a woman.

He says at times jurors were getting hostile towards the holdout juror, but then they realized that she would shut down if she felt attacked.
CBS2 Chicago (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/jurors.blagojevich.corruption.2.1865627.html)

Sounds like a moonbat.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Chris_ on August 18, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
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Blagojevich attorney says he'll ask for President Obama to testify in retrial

Chicago, IL -  Aaron Goldstein, Rod Blagojevich's Attorney, has just confirmed to In Session that assuming the government retries his client, the defense will renew their motion for President Obama to be a witness in the United States of America v. Rod and Robert Blagojevich.  The defense will also renew their motion for mistrial as well as their motion to dismiss.

CNN (http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/)
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: The Hollywood NeoCon on August 19, 2010, 07:00:02 AM
Blago Holdout Retired State Employee, NPR Fan, Community Organizer, Moonbat (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/rod-blagojevich-guilty-juror-holdout-jo-ann-chiakulas-corruption-trial-20100818)

Jurors who have been interviewed so far will not identify the juror, other than to say the juror was a female.
FOX Chicago News reported that speculation is centering on juror Jo Ann Chiakulas of Willowbrook, after a second-hand acquaintance said that she has been saying for weeks that she would find Blagojevich not guilty.

Chiakulas is a retired director from the Illinois Department of Public Health.

Contacted Tuesday night, she told FOX Chicago News she would call on Wednesday if she wished to talk about the case.

On one count at least, Chiakulas voted with her fellow jurors, agreeing to convict Blagojevich of lying to federal agents.


According to Ace over at AoSHQ this morning (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/304818.php), they could have reported more about her last night, given that pre-trial, they had this to say about her:
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Juror # 106, a black female believed to be in her 60s, is a retired state public health director who has ties to the Chicago Urban League. She has handed out campaign literature for a relative who ran for public office. She listens to National Public Radio and liberal talk radio shows.

One has to wonder why no mention of her "liberal talk radio" habit has been made anywhere by anyone, given that by now, we all know how quick the LSM is to point out Rush's fans, right?

Also, as Ace asks, what were her motives for so egregiously ignoring the law to set a guilty man free that her fellow jurors had to confront her with her own oath to render a true verdict? Well, we know now that she has ties to the Chicago Urban League:

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The Chicago Urban League supports and advocates for economic, educational and social progress for African Americans through our agenda focused exclusively on economic empowerment as the key driver for social change.
The Chicago Urban League provides African Americans with the tools, the programs and the experiences to help them reach their full economic potential. We are committed to growing Chicago’s African-American workforce and business community with well-informed pursuit of the following four strategies....

Wonderful. Another community organizer.

You know, to date, the Tea Party has done zero damage to anyone, and yet it is castigated daily by our hectoring press.

This woman, this ward-heeler's moll, just sprung a guilty man free and cost the taxpayers millions.

Where did she get her ideas from?

I know FoxNews gets blamed a lot for all the "poison" it's putting into the body politic -- what poison did she ingest from NPR and liberal talk radio?

From where did she get the idea that it was right to spring a guilty man in the interest of some political gamesmanship?

She had no business on this jury. None at all.



Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: BlueStateSaint on August 19, 2010, 07:55:18 AM
When the government retries this, you can bet your fourth point of contact that they will exclude those with this agenda.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 19, 2010, 08:16:13 AM
I heard both the jury foreman and a 21-year-old juror on the radio yesterday.  The 21 year old said that the woman who "heldout" was cordial and smart, but she pretty much had her mind made up all along.

LINK (http://www.wlsam.com/blog.asp?id=37724) to the audio of the young juror.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: TheSarge on August 19, 2010, 08:35:09 AM
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I know FoxNews gets blamed a lot for all the "poison" it's putting into the body politic -- what poison did she ingest from NPR and liberal talk radio?

I can tell from having to be foreced to listen to NPR...she got enough to choke a horse.

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From where did she get the idea that it was right to spring a guilty man in the interest of some political gamesmanship?

Libs believe that nothing they do no matter how many laws they violate is wrong.  Part of it stems from their milion shandes of gray outlook on life and part of it is the egotistical view that they have to ignore the rules if they are to save the world.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: ConservativeJoeG on August 19, 2010, 09:32:58 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that someone up the liberal ladder paid a hefty sum to get her on the jury.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: JohnnyReb on August 19, 2010, 09:34:53 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that someone up the liberal ladder paid a hefty sum to get her on the jury.

The ringer was in and almost accomplished her job.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 19, 2010, 09:36:35 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that someone up the liberal ladder paid a hefty sum to get her on the jury.

I'm not quite to that level yet...:tinfoil: :tinfoil:

I'm sure the defense desperately wanted to find a moonbat to put on the jury.  I guess the prosecution didn't do their due diligence.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: TheSarge on August 19, 2010, 10:02:08 AM
I'm not quite to that level yet...:tinfoil: :tinfoil:

I'm sure the defense desperately wanted to find a moonbat to put on the jury.  I guess the prosecution didn't do their due diligence.

Either that or she's watched enough episodes of Law & Order to know to keep her mouth shut during the jury selection.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: thundley4 on August 19, 2010, 10:12:30 AM
Either that or she's watched enough episodes of Law & Order to know to keep her mouth shut flat out lie during the jury selection.

FIFY
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Wineslob on August 19, 2010, 10:35:17 AM
I've been on enough juries to know the fault lies with the attorneys. "Will juror # so-and-so please be excused" should have been used.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Zeus on August 19, 2010, 10:46:43 AM
Suppose she genuinely felt Blago was innocent. Can't necessarily blame the jurors,like WS said the attorneys didn't do a good enough job to sinch the verdict of Guilty.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: JohnnyReb on August 19, 2010, 11:02:12 AM
I've been on enough juries to know the fault lies with the attorneys. "Will juror # so-and-so please be excused" should have been used.

But each side can strike only so many.....and knowing democrats....the jury pool was probably selected to be over loaded with ringers.

There was one problem, she found him guilty of one charge....had he been found innocent of all charges....he couldn't be retried.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on August 19, 2010, 04:23:47 PM
But each side can strike only so many.....and knowing democrats....the jury pool was probably selected to be over loaded with ringers.

There was one problem, she found him guilty of one charge....had he been found innocent of all charges....he couldn't be retried.

Yes, and due to the Batson rule, the fact she is Black means they can't just bump her with an unexplained preemptory challenge, they would have had to have a reason they could clearly articulate.  Just the fact she was a Dem and former state bureaucrat wouldn't have tipped them off, plenty of people in those categories still want Blago to do time and I'm sure there were plenty of Dems in the rest of the jury.   
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Chris_ on August 20, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
This is the best laugh I've had all day... :rotf:
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Blago to appear at Chicago Comic Con

CHICAGO - Former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is slated to appear at Wizard World Chicago Comic Con on Saturday alongside the likes of William Shatner and Adam West.

Blagojevich, who on Tuesday was convicted in his corruption trial of lying to the FBI, will sign autographs, pose for pictures and meet fans at the pop culture convention at the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont.

“I’m looking forward to meeting loyal supporters and other fans on Saturday,” Blagojevich said.

WLS-AM 890 (http://www.wlsam.com//Article.asp?id=1924353)
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 21, 2010, 12:38:39 AM
The state/prosecution is stupid to waste another $20 million to try this turkey. The Judge can sentence him to 5 years. If they retry him, there is the possibility that one or two moonbats will find him not guilty on all charges. Put his ass in jail and end this friggin circus.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Chris_ on August 22, 2010, 11:48:01 AM
More :blah: from Governor Goodhair:
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Blagojevich: Will call Emanuel, Reid, Menendez in retrial

Former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich said Sunday that he would call a host of high-profile witnesses -- including White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel -- to testify if he is retried on corruption charges.

Blagojevich, in a combative interview on "Fox News Sunday," said he was ready for a second trial on charges that he tried to sell President Barack Obama's former Senate seat. Federal prosecutors have vowed to retry Blagojevich after a jury deadlocked on all but one of 24 criminal counts the government brought against the fiery Democrat.

The Hill (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/115297-blago-will-call-emanuel-reid-to-testify-in-retrial)
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: PatriotGame on August 22, 2010, 01:23:46 PM
The state/prosecution is stupid to waste another $20 million to try this turkey. The Judge can sentence him to 5 years. If they retry him, there is the possibility that one or two moonbats will find him not guilty on all charges. Put his ass in jail and end this friggin circus.
I can't agree here.
When we begin to place a dollar value on whether to prosecute criminals or not, I believe we lose our soul.
We prosecute criminals because we have enough evidence they committed a crime.
We all know Blago is guilty on more than just lying to the FBI. One single moonbat hold-out juror saved his ass - this time.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 22, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
I can't agree here.
When we begin to place a dollar value on whether to prosecute criminals or not, I believe we lose our soul.
We prosecute criminals because we have enough evidence they committed a crime.
We all know Blago is guilty on more than just lying to the FBI. One single moonbat hold-out juror saved his ass - this time.

If he is not retried, he goes to a Fed. pen for 5 years. How many years would you like to see him spend in jail? 40 or 50 cause if he is convicted on all counts that's how long he will stay and probably die there. Plus, do you think what he did warrants that type of harsh sentence?

I am no apologist for Blago or Democrats. I think Rambo E. and others are just as guilty. Bill Clinton did not go to jail for his lies. I think that all politicians do a wink, wink, nod, nod, you scratch my back and I scratch your back and yes do political favors amounting to either cash or jobs for friends. Most do not get caught. Do I think they should pay for their illegal activities when they get caught. Hell yes.

The prosecutor screwed the trial up by bringing so many charges. Balgo did not get a dime out of the deal he was trying to peddle. If they retry him, I would like to see those in the Admin. be forced to testify under oath. However, you and I know that Holder would not bring up charges against them even if they lied thru their eye teeth.

 

Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 26, 2010, 11:30:01 AM
Feds drop charges against Blago's brother (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/charges-dropped-against-blagos-brother.html)

Federal prosecutors announced today they have dropped all charges against Robert Blagojevich, the former governor's brother.

Assistant U.S. Atty. Reid Schar said the government was dropping the four counts because of "the disparity in the roles" of the two brothers and "in the interests of justice."

Robert Blagojevich was charged with two counts of extortion conspiracy and one count each of wire fraud and extortion.

Rod Blagojevich still faces retrial on 23 counts. He was convicted last week of a single count of lying to the FBI.

Robert Blagojevich ran fundraising for the Friends of Blagojevich campaign operation for four months in 2008.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 26, 2010, 01:44:45 PM
The prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, is such an overzealous asshole. He tried the border guards for a cover up in shooting a drug dealer. He nailed Scooter Libby for lying to the FBI when he knew the answer to the questions. He stated before the trial that he was going to put Blago in jail for the rest of his life. The government has spent 30 million dollars on a case where no money changed hand. Ex Congressman Duke Cunningham was sentenced to 8 years for bribery of a couple million dollars along with income tax evasion.

Instead of trying Blago again, both sides should cut a deal saving save us millions and seeing Blago's crooked ass on TV everyday. Put him away for 5 years and fire Fitzgerald who is a persecutor rather than a prosecutor in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Eupher on August 26, 2010, 01:55:31 PM
The prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, is such an overzealous asshole. He tried the border guards for a cover up in shooting a drug dealer. He nailed Scooter Libby for lying to the FBI when he knew the answer to the questions. He stated before the trial that he was going to put Blago in jail for the rest of his life. The government has spent 30 million dollars on a case where no money changed hand. Ex Congressman Duke Cunningham was sentenced to 8 years for bribery of a couple million dollars along with income tax evasion.

Instead of trying Blago again, both sides should cut a deal saving save us millions and seeing Blago's crooked ass on TV everyday. Put him away for 5 years and fire Fitzgerald who is a persecutor rather than a prosecutor in my opinion. 

Agreed with just about all of that except that in an age where a $13 Trillion deficit is gracing our books, $30 million is a drop in the bucket.

Try Blago again, make the charges stick, then put him away for as many years as the law allows.

But fire Fitzgerald first and make sure he has nothing more to do with the government either prosecuting or defending. He could try some pro bono cases in which some drug peddler is facing 3 to 5 for intent to sell. With luck, he'll become a junkie himself.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: The Hollywood NeoCon on August 26, 2010, 02:04:57 PM
Looks like his brother Robert is off the hook... (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/charges-dropped-against-blagos-brother.html)

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Federal prosecutors announced today they have dropped all charges against Robert Blagojevich, the former governor's brother.

Assistant U.S. Atty. Reid Schar said the government was dropping two counts of extortion conspiracy and one count each of wire fraud and extortion because of "the disparity in the roles" of the two brothers and "in the interests of justice."

Courtesy Chicago Breaking News
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 26, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Agreed with just about all of that except that in an age where a $13 Trillion deficit is gracing our books, $30 million is a drop in the bucket.

Try Blago again, make the charges stick, then put him away for as many years as the law allows.

But fire Fitzgerald first and make sure he has nothing more to do with the government either prosecuting or defending. He could try some pro bono cases in which some drug peddler is facing 3 to 5 for intent to sell. With luck, he'll become a junkie himself.

I would like the government to drop a million or two on me. How about you?

I am tired of seeing these crooked politicians on TV. Try them and put them away. 5 years is enough for the crime he commited in my opinion. Heck, cold cash Jefferson got 13 years and he got 500 thousand dolars worth of bribes. His wife is also a crook. Blago did not get a dime for the crimes he commited.   
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Eupher on August 27, 2010, 06:48:07 AM
I would like the government to drop a million or two on me. How about you?

I am tired of seeing these crooked politicians on TV. Try them and put them away. 5 years is enough for the crime he commited in my opinion. Heck, cold cash Jefferson got 13 years and he got 500 thousand dolars worth of bribes. His wife is also a crook. Blago did not get a dime for the crimes he commited.   


Well, I'm not a crook (where have you heard THAT one before?  :lmao: ), so the gubmint ain't gonna spend that kind of money on me. Hell, my hair ain't pretty like Blago's so that's an automatic disqualifier.

Blago's offense to the people of Illinois transcends any sort of "aw, go easy on him because he didn't actually cash in." His monumental stupidity, arrogance, and sheer selfishness ought to be enough for a 10-year sentence. He'd be out in five, which is about right. Your sentence of only 5 years puts him out in two - that ain't enough for an asshole of Blago's caliber.

Actually, I don't mind seeing crooked politicians on TV - as little as I watch the idiot box anyway. Sorta reinforces my long-held opinion that the only difference between criminals and politicians is the color of their 3-button suit.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on August 27, 2010, 09:37:40 AM
Blagojevich holdout explains vote (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-blagojevich-jury-20100827,0,1393639.story)

Battling stomach pains and fatigue, JoAnn Chiakulas would take the train into the city each morning knowing that her resolve was disappointing some people and infuriating others.

But the 67-year-old grandmother said she also knew that as a juror in Rod Blagojevich's corruption trial, she had a responsibility to follow her conscience and the law. She said she did not believe he or his brother committed a crime with their actions to fill Barack Obama's Senate seat, so she would not find them guilty despite what other jurors, prosecutors and, perhaps, the general public wanted.

If it was going to be 11-1, so be it.

"I could never live with myself if I went along with the rest of the jury," Chiakulas told the Tribune in her first media interview since the trial ended. "I didn't believe it was the correct vote for me."

---- much more at link ------

 :lame:
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 27, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
[/i] cash in." His monumental stupidity, arrogance, and sheer selfishness ought to be enough for a 10-year sentence. He'd be out in five, which is about right. Your sentence of only 5 years puts him out in two - that ain't enough for an asshole of Blago's caliber.


You must be confused about the difference between state and federal parole guidelines. You commit a federal crime and you will spend at least 85% to 90% of that time in prison. States let them out much sooner. For example. Ex Gov of LA was sentenced to 10 years in 2002. He is still in prison with one year to go. He gets out a year early with a reduction of 1 year for good behavior. A 5 year sentence for Blago would mean that he would be incarcerated for 4 1/2 years unless he was pardoned, and I don't think that is going to happen.

The facts are that Fitzgerald is an over zealous prosecutor who wanted to put Blago in jail for life and brought 24 charges which just confused the hell out of the jury. BTW, some of the charges were 9 to 3 and 9 to 2; not all were 11 to 1. The Judge sent the jurors 100 pages of instructions to follow. You can blame the asshole prosecutor for this screw up. 
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: BlueStateSaint on August 28, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Blagojevich holdout explains vote (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-blagojevich-jury-20100827,0,1393639.story)

Battling stomach pains and fatigue, JoAnn Chiakulas would take the train into the city each morning knowing that her resolve was disappointing some people and infuriating others.

But the 67-year-old grandmother said she also knew that as a juror in Rod Blagojevich's corruption trial, she had a responsibility to follow her conscience and the law. She said she did not believe he or his brother committed a crime with their actions to fill Barack Obama's Senate seat, so she would not find them guilty despite what other jurors, prosecutors and, perhaps, the general public wanted.

If it was going to be 11-1, so be it.

"I could never live with myself if I went along with the rest of the jury," Chiakulas told the Tribune in her first media interview since the trial ended. "I didn't believe it was the correct vote for me."

---- much more at link ------

 :lame:


This DUmor was a community organizer in the Obamessiah's mold.  Can't let a disciple of Teh Wun get his comeuppance . . . So, I think that Fitzgerald was pretty much going to fail, no matter what, because of this DUmor.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 28, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
This DUmor was a community organizer in the Obamessiah's mold.  Can't let a disciple of Teh Wun get his comeuppance . . . So, I think that Fitzgerald was pretty much going to fail, no matter what, because of this DUmor.

Kinda making stuff up there. The juror was a retired state employee who worked as a teen counselor. I saw 2 attorneys that were Fox Contributors state that the prosecution had a WEAK case. BTW, they attended the trial.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Eupher on August 28, 2010, 12:48:04 PM
You must be confused about the difference between state and federal parole guidelines. You commit a federal crime and you will spend at least 85% to 90% of that time in prison. States let them out much sooner. For example. Ex Gov of LA was sentenced to 10 years in 2002. He is still in prison with one year to go. He gets out a year early with a reduction of 1 year for good behavior. A 5 year sentence for Blago would mean that he would be incarcerated for 4 1/2 years unless he was pardoned, and I don't think that is going to happen.

The facts are that Fitzgerald is an over zealous prosecutor who wanted to put Blago in jail for life and brought 24 charges which just confused the hell out of the jury. BTW, some of the charges were 9 to 3 and 9 to 2; not all were 11 to 1. The Judge sent the jurors 100 pages of instructions to follow. You can blame the asshole prosecutor for this screw up. 


Confused? No. Momentarily forgot about the federal angle? Guilty.

While we disagree about whether or not to continue prosecuting Blago (I say let's make an example out of him and you're saying to let him go with the 5-year rap and that you're tired of the whole thing  :whatever: ), we are agreed that Fitzgerald is a dufus of the first order and that his ass needs to be fired.

I guess that's something.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 28, 2010, 01:03:11 PM
Confused? No. Momentarily forgot about the federal angle? Guilty.

While we disagree about whether or not to continue prosecuting Blago (I say let's make an example out of him and you're saying to let him go with the 5-year rap and that you're tired of the whole thing  :whatever: ), we are agreed that Fitzgerald is a dufus of the first order and that his ass needs to be fired.

I guess that's something.

If they try him again, the cost will be another couple million and the possibility exists that he will get off Scott free. Like I said, the evidence is flimsy. I would rather the prosecution and the defense get together, plead guilty to 1 or 2 other charges, sentence him to 5 to 7 years, put his ass in jail and get it over with. That would be the best outcome as far as I am concerned. Justice is not served when a maniac prosecutor wants to put Blago away for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Eupher on August 29, 2010, 08:20:34 AM
If they try him again, the cost will be another couple million and the possibility exists that he will get off Scott free. Like I said, the evidence is flimsy. I would rather the prosecution and the defense get together, plead guilty to 1 or 2 other charges, sentence him to 5 to 7 years, put his ass in jail and get it over with. That would be the best outcome as far as I am concerned. Justice is not served when a maniac prosecutor wants to put Blago away for the rest of his life.

Gotcha. You've made your point. And by your own account, the jury voted 11-1, 10-2, and 9-3, whatever the vote count was for the roughly 24 charges. That doesn't sound flimsy to me.

And we've already agreed that Fitzgerald is to be fired. Let's get the next less-than-maniacal federal prosecutor in to finish the job that should've been done from the beginning.

As far as I'm concerned, Blago needs to be put away for more than 5 freakin' years, just for sheer stupidity alone. The people of Illinois are screaming accountability and this is one guy whose feet need to be held to the fire long enough to cause 3rd degree burns, not for a minute or two to cause a sunburn.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on August 29, 2010, 03:13:43 PM
Blagojevich holdout explains vote (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-blagojevich-jury-20100827,0,1393639.story)

Battling stomach pains and fatigue, JoAnn Chiakulas would take the train into the city each morning knowing that her resolve was disappointing some people and infuriating others.

But the 67-year-old grandmother said she also knew that as a juror in Rod Blagojevich's corruption trial, she had a responsibility to follow her conscience and the law. She said she did not believe he or his brother committed a crime with their actions to fill Barack Obama's Senate seat, so she would not find them guilty despite what other jurors, prosecutors and, perhaps, the general public wanted.

If it was going to be 11-1, so be it.

"I could never live with myself if I went along with the rest of the jury," Chiakulas told the Tribune in her first media interview since the trial ended. "I didn't believe it was the correct vote for me."

---- much more at link ------

 :lame:


Really, if she did it for the right reasons I don't have a problem with it, she did find against him on the one count with indisputable proof, and against him on the ones that were not so indisputable.

And Fitzgerald is a prick who uses the limitless power of the Federal purse and resources to relentlessly dig and sling mud until something sticks, unfortunately in the minds of most jurors when the prosecution is allowed to do that they get in a mindset that there really must be something to at least the vaguer charges, and they split the difference and convict on something - if you look at what he did in the Libby trial with his grandiose promises at pressers in advance versus what was ultimately served up, it was a travesty.  His career is a living, breathing example of the fact that if the Government wants to spend enough money doing it, they can eventually nail anyone on something. 
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on August 30, 2010, 12:04:47 PM
Really, if she did it for the right reasons I don't have a problem with it, she did find against him on the one count with indisputable proof, and against him on the ones that were not so indisputable.

And Fitzgerald is a prick who uses the limitless power of the Federal purse and resources to relentlessly dig and sling mud until something sticks, unfortunately in the minds of most jurors when the prosecution is allowed to do that they get in a mindset that there really must be something to at least the vaguer charges, and they split the difference and convict on something - if you look at what he did in the Libby trial with his grandiose promises at pressers in advance versus what was ultimately served up, it was a travesty.  His career is a living, breathing example of the fact that if the Government wants to spend enough money doing it, they can eventually nail anyone on something. 
Correct. Fitzgerald had FBI agents questioning neighbors, friends and associates whether Blago gambled, cheated on his wife, went to titty bars, etc. That had nothing to do with the charges.

One day, I hope this prick Fitzgerald gets arrested and the Judge throws the book at him. No leniency for you.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on August 31, 2010, 10:04:08 AM
Having been a prosecutor, I have to say the excesses of showboating dicks like him on bullshit show trials are what makes it possible for defense counsel in real violent felony cases to legitimately argue about the 'Limitless resources of the government' being focused on their allegedly-poor-victim client who is really a violent sociopathic dirtbag, making it all that much more difficult to put really dangerous people in lock-up. 
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on September 09, 2010, 09:06:20 AM
This is interesting data from a Chicago Tribune/WGN-TV Poll:

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A slim majority statewide, 54 percent, agreed with Fitzgerald's decision to re-try Blagojevich, while 37 percent disagreed. Another 10 percent had no opinion in the survey of 600 registered Illinois voters conducted Aug. 28-Sept. 1. The error margin was 4 percentage points.

In Chicago, 35 percent of voters favored retrial and 51 percent opposed it. But 54 percent of those in the Cook County suburbs and 57 percent of those in the collar counties agreed with the notion that Blagojevich should be retried, the survey found.

As governor, Blagojevich was always more popular in the city than in the suburbs, so the geographic split over the retrial issue may to some extent reflect the pattern of political attitudes forged during his tenure.

By a slight margin, voters who identified themselves as Democrats were more inclined to disagree with the decision to retry Blagojevich, the survey found. On the other hand, more than 7 out of 10 Republican voters surveyed said they backed a retrial.

There was also a stark difference between white and black voters on the issue. White voters were for a retrial by a wide margin: 60 percent to 31 percent. The position of black voters was almost the reverse: 63 percent against a retrial and 25 percent in favor.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/blagojevich/ct-met-tribune-poll-blagojevich-20100908,0,4122999.story
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Zeus on September 09, 2010, 09:34:29 AM
I say let Blago be. Fitzgerald had his shot at him and failed. They are going to spends millions to prosecute and maybe convict Blago. Not only the millions spent but for what, to send a guy to some minimum security country club Fed Prison for maybe 2 yrs.
Title: Re: Blagojevich guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI
Post by: Lacarnut on September 09, 2010, 11:50:40 PM
I say let Blago be. Fitzgerald had his shot at him and failed. They are going to spends millions to prosecute and maybe convict Blago. Not only the millions spent but for what, to send a guy to some minimum security country club Fed Prison for maybe 2 yrs.

The next go round, the jury might not convict him on any of the counts. I betcha Blago is chomping at the bit to drag Rambo into the second trial. Without his executive privilege  exclusion, he will have to testify. That is when it will get interesting. Send him up the river for a couple of years and be done with it.